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		<title>Dante Alighieri -- The Divine Comedy [Divina Commedia], Book 2 &#8220;Purgatorio,&#8221; Canto 23, l.  97ff (23.97-108) (1314) [tr. Ciardi (1961)]</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O my dear brother, what is there to say?<br />
<span class="tab">In vision I already see a time &#8212;<br />
<span class="tab">and it is not far distant from this day &#8212;<br />
in which the pulpit shall denounce by writ<br />
<span class="tab">the shameless jades that Florentines call ladies,<br />
<span class="tab">who go about with breasts bare to the tit.<br />
What Moslem woman ever has required<br />
<span class="tab">a priestly discipline, or any other,<br />
<span class="tab">before she would go decently attired?<br />
But if the chippies only could foresee<br />
<span class="tab">swift Heaven&#8217;s punishment, they&#8217;d have their mouths<br />
<span class="tab">already open to howl misery.</p>
<p><em>[O dolce frate, che vuo’ tu ch’io dica?<br />
<span class="tab">Tempo futuro m’è già nel cospetto,<br />
<span class="tab">cui non sarà quest’ora molto antica,<br />
nel qual sarà in pergamo interdetto<br />
<span class="tab">a le sfacciate donne fiorentine<br />
<span class="tab">l’andar mostrando con le poppe il petto.<br />
Quai barbare fuor mai, quai saracine,<br />
<span class="tab">cui bisognasse, per farle ir coperte,<br />
<span class="tab">o spiritali o altre discipline?<br />
Ma se le svergognate fosser certe<br />
<span class="tab">di quel che ’l ciel veloce loro ammanna,<br />
<span class="tab">già per urlare avrian le bocche aperte.]</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></em></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<br><b>Dante Alighieri</b> (1265-1321) Italian poet<br><i>The Divine Comedy [Divina Commedia]</i>, Book 2 <i>&#8220;Purgatorio,&#8221;</i> Canto 23, l.  97ff (23.97-108) (1314) [tr. Ciardi (1961)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/purgatorio00dant/page/236/mode/2up?view=theater&q=%22o+my+dear+brother%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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Forese Donati speaking to Dante, anticipating the "future" (already-past) travails of Florence in the early 1300s, apparently brought about (in part) by the city's shameless women being scantily clad (though no such church edict survives in the record).<br><br

(<a href="https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Divina_Commedia/Purgatorio/Canto_XXIII#:~:text=O%20dolce%20frate,le%20bocche%20aperte">Source (Italian)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">O, Brother! shall I tell, or hide my thought? <br>
The horrible display that Fancy views, <br>
Which soon the pregnant moments will produce,<br>
<span class="tab">And Impudence and Pride's disgraceful lot.<br>
<span class="tab">Soon a stern Voice will teach the shameless kind<br>
A decent covering, as they may, to find,<br>
<span class="tab">Their naked shoulders from the Sun to hide!<br>
Was it amongst Barbarians ever known,<br>
That nought but threats can bind the modest Zone,<br>
<span class="tab">On the young virgin and the plighted Bride?<br>
<span class="tab">But if these dainty Dames could read the Skies,<br>
And spy the slumb'ring tempest soon to rise,<br>
<span class="tab">Those lips that whisper Love, would shriek Despair.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinacommediad00unkngoog/page/n292/mode/2up?q=%22hide+my+thought%3F%22&view=theater">Boyd</a> (1802), st. 19-21] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">O sweet brother!<br>
What wouldst thou have me say? A time to come<br>
<span class="tab">Stands full within my view, to which this hour<br>
<span class="tab">Shall not be counted of an ancient date,<br>
When from the pulpit shall be loudly warn’d<br>
<span class="tab">Th’ unblushing dames of Florence, lest they bare<br>
<span class="tab">Unkerchief’d bosoms to the common gaze.<br>
What savage women hath the world e’er seen,<br>
<span class="tab">What Saracens, for whom there needed scourge<br>
<span class="tab">Of spiritual or other discipline,<br>
<span class="tab">To force them walk with cov’ring on their limbs!<br>
But did they see, the shameless ones, that Heav’n<br>
<span class="tab">Wafts on swift wing toward them, while I speak,<br>
<span class="tab">Their mouths were op’d for howling.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/8795/8795-h/8795-h.htm#cantoII.23:~:text=O%20sweet%20brother,op%E2%80%99d%20for%20howling">Cary</a> (1814)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Oh dear brother! what shall I say to thee?<br>
<span class="tab">A future time now within my view,<br>
<span class="tab">To which the present hour will be but new,<br>
When interdict will issue from the chair<br>
<span class="tab">To Florence ladies of effrontery,<br>
<span class="tab">With naked bosoms, where the pays you spy.<br>
Barbarians and Saracens were there e'er<br>
<span class="tab">Forced to go covered, and their right mind in,<br>
<span class="tab">By spiritual or other discipline?<br>
Their future lot could but the shameless see,<br>
<span class="tab">What the swift Heaven is bringing on its wing,<br>
<span class="tab">To howl their mouths would soon be opening.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/comedyofdanteal00dant/page/268/mode/2up?q=%22oh+dear+brother%22">Bannerman</a> (1850)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O brother sweet, what wilt thou have me say?<br>
<span class="tab">A future time is in my sight already,<br>
<span class="tab">To which this hour will not be very old,<br>
When from the pulpit shall be interdicted<br>
<span class="tab">To the unblushing womankind of Florence<br>
<span class="tab">To go about displaying breast and paps.<br>
What savages were e'er, what Saracens,<br>
<span class="tab">Who stood in need, to make them covered go,<br>
<span class="tab">Of spiritual or other discipline?<br>
But if the shameless women were assured<br>
<span class="tab">Of what swift Heaven prepares for them, already<br>
<span class="tab">Wide open would they have their mouths to howl.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Divine_Comedy_(Longfellow_1867)/Volume_2/Canto_23#:~:text=O%20brother%20sweet,mouths%20to%20howl%3B">Longfellow</a> (1867)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O brother dear, what wouldst have further told?<br>
<span class="tab">A future time already do I see,<br>
<span class="tab">In which the present day will not be old. <br>
When in the Church they'll publish a decree<br>
<span class="tab">Against the insolent lady Florentines,<br>
<span class="tab">Not to expose their breasts for all to see. <br>
When were Barbarians seen or Saracens,<br>
<span class="tab">To whom was needed clothing to enforce.<br>
<span class="tab">Or spiritual, or other disciplines?<br>
But if the shameless ones could see the course<br>
<span class="tab">Which Heaven prepareth for them speedily.<br>
<span class="tab">Now would begin their howlings of remorse.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedyofda00dantrich/page/220/mode/2up?q=%22O+brother+dear%2C%22">Minchin</a> (1885)]  </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O sweet brother, what wouldst thou that I say? A future time is already in my sight, to which this hour will not be very old, in which from the pulpit it shall be forbidden to the brazen-faced dames of Florence to go displaying the bosom with the paps. What Barbarian, what Saracen women were there ever who required either spiritual or other discipline to make them go covered? But if the shameless ones were aware of that which the swift heaven is preparing for them, already would they have their mouths open for howling.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1996/1996-h/1996-h.htm#cantoII.XXIII:~:text=O%20sweet%20brother,open%20for%20howling.">Norton</a> (1892)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">O sweet brother, what would st thou have me say? Already in my vision is a time to come to which this hour shall not be very old,<br>
<span class="tab">when the brazen-faced women of Florence shall be forbidden from the pulpit to go abroad showing their breasts with the paps.<br>
<span class="tab">What Barbary, what Saracen women ever lived, to whom either spiritual, or other discipline were necessary, to make them go covered?<br>
<span class="tab">But if the shameless creatures were assured of what swift heaven is preparing for them, already would they have their mouths open to howl.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/purgatorioofdant00dant_0/page/290/mode/2up?q=%22O+sweet+brother%22">Okey</a> (1901)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O sweet brother, what wilt thou have me say? A coming time is already before my eyes to which this hour will not be very old when from the pulpit it shall be forbidden to the brazen women of Florence to go showing the breast with the paps. What barbarous women, what Saracens, ever were there that needed, to make them go covered, spiritual disciplines or any other? But had the shameless creatures knowledge of what the swift heavens prepare for them, they would have their mouths open already for howling.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/iipurgatoriowith00dant/page/300/mode/2up?q=%22o+sweet+brother%22">Sinclair</a> (1939)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O sweet brother, what would'st thou have me say? <br>
<span class="tab">A time to come already I see indeed, <br>
<span class="tab">Wherefrom this hour shall not be far away.<br>
In which from pulpit shall it be forbid<br>
<span class="tab">To the unashamed women of Florence then<br>
<span class="tab">To go showing the breast with paps not hid.<br>
What woman of Barbary, what Saracen,<br>
<span class="tab">did ever need, to make her go covered, <br>
<span class="tab">Spiritual or other regimen?<br>
But if the unabashed ones were assured<br>
<span class="tab">Of what swift heaven prepares for them on high<br>
<span class="tab">Their mouths would open and their howls be heard.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/portabledante00dant/page/308/mode/2up?q=%22o+sweet+brother%22">Binyon</a> (1943)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Brother of mine, what wilt thou have me say?<br>
<span class="tab">This hour shall not be very old perhaps<br>
<span class="tab">Ere time shall bring what I foresee to-day:<br>
A pulpit interdict, no less, which claps<br>
<span class="tab">Down on our brazen jades of Florentines<br>
<span class="tab">Flaunting unveiled the bosom and the paps.<br>
What female Turk or Berber e'er showed signs<br>
<span class="tab">Of needing to be covered up by force<br>
<span class="tab">Of spiritual or other disciplines?<br>
But could these wantons know what Heaven's swift course<br>
<span class="tab">Prepares for them, they'd have their mouths ajar<br>
<span class="tab">Already, fit to bellow themselves hoarse.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedy0002unse/page/248/mode/2up?q=%22brother+of+mine%22">Sayers</a> (1955)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O sweet brother, what would you have me say? Already in my vision is a future time, to which this hour shall not be very old, when the brazen-faced women of Florence shall be forbidden from the pulpit to go displaying their breasts with the papas. What Barbarian, what Saracen women were there ever, who required either spiritual or other discipline to make them go covered? But if the shameless creatures were assured of what swift heaven is preparing for them, already would they have their mouths open to howl.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Divine_Comedy_II_Purgatorio_Vol_II_P/2Q48EAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22o%20sweet%20brother%22">Singleton</a> (1973)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>My dear brother, how can I tell you this:<br>
<span class="tab">I see a future time -- it won't be long --<br>
<span class="tab">in which bans from the pulpit shall clamp down<br>
on those ladies of Florence who, bold-faced,<br>
<span class="tab">now walk our city streets as they parade<br>
<span class="tab">their bosom to the tits! What barbarous girl,<br>
what female Saracen, had to be taught<br>
<span class="tab">spiritual discipline, or anything,<br>
<span class="tab">to keep her body decently concealed?<br>
But if these shameless creatures only knew<br>
<span class="tab">what the swift heavens have in store for them,<br>
<span class="tab">they would by now be screaming their heads off!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/dantealighierisd03dant/page/228/mode/2up?q=%22my+dear+brother%22&view=theater">Musa</a> (1981)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O gentle brother, what do you want me to say? <br>
<span class="tab">Already I can see a time ahead, <br>
<span class="tab">Before the present hour is very old,<br>
In which the impudent women of Florence <br>
<span class="tab">Will be preached against from the pulpit because <br>
<span class="tab">They go about showing their breasts to the nipples.<br>
What women of Barbary, what Saracens <br>
<span class="tab">Ever needed, to make them go covered, <br>
<span class="tab">Either spiritual or other discipline?<br>
But if the shameless creatures were assured <br>
<span class="tab">Of what swift heaven is getting ready for them, <br>
<span class="tab">They would have their mouths open already, to howl.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedy0000dant/page/300/mode/2up?q=%22o+gentle+brother%22">Sisson</a> (1981)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">O <br>
sweet brother, what would you have had me say? <br>
<span class="tab">A future time’s already visible <br>
<span class="tab">to me -- a time not too far-off from now -- <br>
when, from the pulpit, it shall be forbidden <br>
<span class="tab">to those immodest ones -- Florentine women -- <br>
<span class="tab">to go displaying bosoms with bare paps. <br>
What ordinances -- spiritual, civil -- <br>
<span class="tab">were ever needed by barbarian or <br>
<span class="tab">Saracen women to make them go covered? <br>
But if those shameless ones had certain knowledge <br>
<span class="tab">of what swift Heaven’s readying for them, <br>
<span class="tab">then they would have mouths open now to howl.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/purgatorio0000dant_m5q7/page/204/mode/2up?q=barbagia">Mandelbaum</a> (1982)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">O sweet brother, what would you have me say? Already I foresee a time to come, to which this time will not be too distant, when, from the pulpits, the brazen women of Florence will be forbidden to go round displaying their breasts and nipples.<br>
<span class="tab">When was there ever a Saracen woman, or woman of Barbary, who needed disciplining spiritually or otherwise, to force her to cover herself? But the shameless creatures would already have their mouths open to howl.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Italian/DantPurg22to28.php#:~:text=O%20sweet%20brother,open%20to%20howl%2C">Kline</a> (2002)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">O dear brother, what can I say? A future time is already in my sight when this hour will not seem very ancient,
when from the pulpit it will be forbidden to the brazen Florentine women to walk about showing their chests with their breasts.<br>
<span class="tab">What barbarian women, what Saracens ever needed either spiritual or other penalties to make them go covered up?<br>
<span class="tab">But if those shameless ones knew what the swift heavens are preparing for them, they would already have opened their mouths to howl.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedyofda0002dant_d4k9/page/386/mode/2up?q=%22o+dear+brother%22">Durling</a> (2003)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>What, dearest brother, would you have me say? <br>
<span class="tab">A future time, already in my sight, <br>
<span class="tab">will come (when our time’s still not history),<br>
when, from the pulpit, there’ll be issued bans <br>
<span class="tab">forbidding bare-faced Florence girls to go <br>
<span class="tab">with blatant breasts and both their boobs on show.<br>
What mere barbarians or Saracens <br>
<span class="tab">required a priest or threat of on-spot fines <br>
<span class="tab">to make them cover up when they go out!<br>
If, though, these brazen creatures only guessed <br>
<span class="tab">what Heaven so swiftly will bring down on them, <br>
<span class="tab">then they’d already howl with open mouths.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedy2pur0000dant/page/216/mode/2up?q=%22what+dearest+brother%22">Kirkpatrick</a> (2007)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O sweet brother, what would you have me say?<br>
<span class="tab">In my vision even now I see a time,<br>
<span class="tab">before this hour shall be very old,<br>
when from the pulpit it shall be forbidden<br>
<span class="tab">for the brazen ladies of Florence<br>
<span class="tab">to flaunt their nipples with their breasts.<br>
What barbarous women, what Saracens,<br>
<span class="tab">have ever needed spiritual instruction<br>
<span class="tab">or other rules, to walk about in proper dress?<br>
But if these shameless creatures knew<br>
<span class="tab">what the swift heavens are preparing, even now<br>
<span class="tab">their mouths would be spread open in a howl.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://dante.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/dante/campuscgi/mpb/GetCantoSection.pl?INP_POEM=Purg&INP_SECT=23&INP_START=97&INP_LEN=12&LANG=0">Hollander/Hollander</a> (2007)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O, my sweet brother, what can you ask me to say?<br>
<span class="tab">Looking into the future, I already see --<br>
<span class="tab">And the hour will not be long in coming, I believe --<br>
When priests in our pulpits will forbid Florence's lewd<br>
<span class="tab">And insolent women from going about the streets,<br>
<span class="tab">Their breasts bare well below the nipples.<br>
Were there ever barbarian women, or Turks,<br>
<span class="tab">Who needed heavy discipline -- by priests<br>
<span class="tab">Or by law -- to keep them decently covered? But such<br>
Disgraceful creatures, should they realize <br>
<span class="tab">For sure what quick-handed Heaven has ready for them,<br>
<span class="tab">They'd now be ready to open their mouths and howl!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Divine_Comedy/WZyBj-s9PfsC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22my%20sweet%20brother%22">Raffel</a> (2010)] </blockquote><br>
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		<title>Arendt, Hannah -- The Origins of Totalitarianism, Part 3, ch. 10 &#8220;A Classless Society,&#8221; sec.  1 (1951)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[For the propaganda of totalitarian movements which precede and accompany totalitarian regimes is invariably as frank as it is mendacious, and would-be totalitarian rulers usually start their careers by boasting of their past crimes and carefully outlining their future ones. The Nazis were &#8220;convinced that evil-doing in our time has a morbid force of attraction,&#8221; [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the propaganda of totalitarian movements which precede and accompany totalitarian regimes is invariably as frank as it is mendacious, and would-be totalitarian rulers usually start their careers by boasting of their past crimes and carefully outlining their future ones. The Nazis were &#8220;convinced that evil-doing in our time has a morbid force of attraction,&#8221; Bolshevik assurances inside and outside Russia that they do not recognize ordinary moral standards have become a mainstay of Communist propaganda, and experience has proven time and again that the propaganda value of evil deeds and general contempt for moral standards is independent of mere self-interest, supposedly the most powerful psychological factor in politics.</p>
<br><b>Hannah Arendt</b> (1906-1975) German-American philosopher, political theorist<br><i>The Origins of Totalitarianism</i>, Part 3, ch. 10 &#8220;A Classless Society,&#8221; sec.  1 (1951) 
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		<title>Pratchett, Terry -- Discworld No.  3, Equal Rites (1987)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[She was already learning that if you ignore the rules people will, half the time, quietly rewrite them so that they don’t apply to you. Of the character Eskarina &#8220;Esk&#8221; Smith, modeled after Pratchett&#8217;s daughter, Rhianna.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She was already learning that if you ignore the rules people will, half the time, quietly rewrite them so that they don’t apply to you.</p>
<br><b>Terry Pratchett</b> (1948-2015) English author<br>Discworld No.  3, <i>Equal Rites</i> (1987) 
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Of the character Eskarina "Esk" Smith, modeled after Pratchett's daughter, Rhianna.
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