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		<title>McLaughlin, Mignon -- The Neurotic&#8217;s Notebook, ch.  7 (1963)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[No matter how brilliantly an idea is stated, we will not really be moved unless we have half-thought of it ourselves.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No matter how brilliantly an idea is stated, we will not really be moved unless we have half-thought of it ourselves.</p>
<br><b>Mignon McLaughlin</b> (1913-1983) American journalist and author<br><i>The Neurotic&#8217;s Notebook</i>, ch.  7 (1963) 
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		<title>Martial -- Epigrams [Epigrammata], Book  5, epigram  52 (5.52) (AD 90)  [tr. Pott &#038; Wright (1921), &#8220;Self-Praise&#8221;]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can I forget your many favours? Nay. Why don’t I mention them? Because you do. If I begin, some one is sure to say &#8220;Your patron told me all he did for you&#8221;; Friend there are tasks cannot be done by two; Shall this be yours or mine? for I submit However great a gift, [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I forget your many favours? Nay.<br />
<span class="tab">Why don’t I mention them? Because you do.<br />
If I begin, some one is sure to say<br />
<span class="tab">&#8220;Your patron told me all he did for you&#8221;;<br />
Friend there are tasks cannot be done by two;<br />
<span class="tab">Shall this be yours or mine? for I submit<br />
However great a gift, there nothing due<br />
<span class="tab">To any giver who shall boast of it.</p>
<p><em>[Quae mihi praestiteris memini semperque tenebo.<br />
Cur igitur taceo, Postume? Tu loqueris.<br />
Incipio quotiens alicui tua dona referre,<br />
Protinus exclamat &#8216;Dixerat ipse mihi.&#8217;<br />
Non belle quaedam faciunt duo: sufficit unus<br />
Huic operi: si vis, ut loquar, ipse tace.<br />
Crede mihi, quamvis ingentia, Postume, dona<br />
Auctoris pereunt garrulitate sui.]</em></span></span></span></span></p>
<br><b>Martial</b> (AD c.39-c.103) Spanish Roman poet, satirist, epigrammatist [Marcus Valerius Martialis]<br><i>Epigrams [Epigrammata]</i>, Book  5, epigram  52 (5.52) (AD 90)  [tr. Pott &#038; Wright (1921), &#8220;Self-Praise&#8221;] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/martialtwelveboo0000tran/page/154/mode/2up?q=%22self-praise%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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"To Postumus." (<a href="http://data.perseus.org/citations/urn:cts:latinLit:phi1294.phi002.perseus-lat1:5.52">Source (Latin)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>Thy gifts to me I thinke of, and still shall.<br>
<span class="tab">Why then do I not speake of them at all?<br>
Thou dost. Where ere I tell thy charitie,<br>
<span class="tab">Tis answer'd straight, himselfe has told it me.<br>
This work befits not both; one is enough;<br>
<span class="tab">If thou wouldst have me speake, be silent thou.<br>
For (trust me) wert thou nere so liberall,<br>
<span class="tab">The givers talking would destroy it all.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A07090.0001.001/1:5.59?rgn=div2;view=fulltext">May</a> (1629), ep. 53]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>What thou conferr'st on me I do<br>
<span class="tab">Remember, and shall think on, too.<br>
Why therefore do I hold my tongue?<br>
<span class="tab">Cause, Posthumus, thou ne'er hast done.<br>
As often as I go to treat<br>
<span class="tab">of these thy gifts to them I meet,<br>
'T is presently replied, "Forbear,<br>
<span class="tab">He whisper'd it into my ear."<br>
Two men some things cannot do well:<br>
<span class="tab">One person may suffice to tell,<br>
and do this work: if it may please<br>
<span class="tab">That I shall speak, then hold thy peace.<br>
For prithee, Postumus, believe,<br>
<span class="tab">Though that thy gifts are great to give<br>
All thanks must perish, and are lost,<br>
<span class="tab">When authors their own actions boast.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Epigrams_of_Martial/LzXgAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22when%20authors%20their%22">Fletcher</a> (1656)]</blockquote><br>
 
<blockquote>Your favors to me I remember well;<br>
<span class="tab">But do not mention them; because you tell.<br>
Whenever I begin, I'm answer'd strait,<br>
<span class="tab">"I heard from his own mouth, what you relate."<br>
Two ill become the business of but one;<br>
<span class="tab">Be you but silent, I will speak alone.<br>
Great are your gifts; but when proclaim'd around,<br>
<span class="tab">The obligation dies upon the sound.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Select_Epigrams_of_Martial/guUNAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22favours%20to%20me%22">Hay</a> (1755), ep. 53]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>The services you have rendered me I do not forget, and will always keep them in my mind. How happens it, Posthumus, that I am silent? It is because you talk. Do I begin to expatiate on your favours, I am told, "I heard all about it from himself." Some things are not handsomely performed by two; one person is enough to relate kindness; if you wish me to speak, you must remain silent. The merit of gifts, however great they be, is lost by the garrulity of the giver. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/martialmoderns00mart/page/108/mode/2up?q=%22services+you+have+rendered%22">Amos</a> (1858), ch. 3, ep. 78; ep. 53]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Your services to me I remember, and shall never forget Why then am I silent about them, Postumus? Because you yourself talk of them. Whenever I begin to speak to any one of your favours, he immediately exclaims, "He has told me of them himself." There are certain things which cannot be well done by two people; one is enough in this case. If you wish me to speak, keep silence yourself. Believe me, Postumus, gifts, however great, are deprived of their value by garrulity on the part of the donor.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.tertullian.org/fathers/martial_epigrams_book05.htm#:~:text=Your%20services%20to,of%20the%20donor.">Bohn's</a> Classical (1859)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I'm grateful for your favors;<br>
<span class="tab">They'll never be forgot. <br>
You wonder why I'm dumb about 'em?<br>
<span class="tab">Just because you're not.<br>
Whenever I start telling<br>
<span class="tab">Of kindnesses you'd done, <br>
The tale, I find, you'd quite concluded<br>
<span class="tab">Long ere I'd begun.<br>
Now two men spoil the business <br>
<span class="tab">That one does well alone.<br>
If I 'm desired to open my mouth, <br>
<span class="tab">Kindly shut your own.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/romanwitepigrams00mart/page/48/mode/2up?q=%22grateful+for+your%22">Nixon</a> (1911)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Your bounty to me I remember and shall always keep in mind. Why, then, and I silent about it, Postumus? <i>You</i> speak of it. As often as I begin to report to someone your presents, he at once exclaims, "He himself had told me." These are things which two persons do not do nicely: one suffices for this work' if you want me to speak, be you yourself silent. Trust me; gifts, however great, Postumus, lose their value by the chattering of the giver.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Epigrams/w4ZfAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22bounty%20to%20me%22">Ker</a> (1919)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Grateful for all your gifts I still shall be;<br>
<span class="tab">"Why then be silent?" Well, you speak for me.<br>
If to a friend your kindness I report,<br>
<span class="tab">With, "Yes, he told me so" he cuts me short.<br>
Some tasks are not so suitable for two,<br>
<span class="tab">So thank you, Postumus, I'll wait for you.<br>
Believe me, gifts, however rich they be,<br>
<span class="tab">Lose all their value by loquacity.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Martial_s_Epigrams/g35fAAAAMAAJ?gbpv=1&bsq=%22grateful%20for%20all%22">Francis & Tatum</a> (1924), #251]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I remember all you have done for me and shall ever keep it in mind. Why then do I say nothing about it, Postumus? <i>You</i> talk. Whenever I start to tell somebody of your generosity, he exclaims at once: "He tole me that himself." Some things are not nicely done by two. One is enough for this work. If you want me to talk, <i>you</i> must hold your tongue. Believe me, Postumus, the most magnificent of gifts are nullified by the garrulity of the giver.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.pdfdrive.com/martial-epigrams-volume-i-spectacles-books-1-5-loeb-classical-library-no-94-e157115547.html">Shackleton Bailey</a> (1993)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>You are my patron, I would give you praise,<br>
<span class="tab">But when talk of your virtues I would raise,<br>
I'm told you have already laid them out.<br>
<span class="tab">Where I would whisper, you your merits shout.<br>
We must more prudently divide our labor<br>
<span class="tab">To have efficient impact on our neighbor.<br>
If I'm to praise you, you must hold your peace,<br>
<span class="tab">Or give me from my gratitude release.<br>
Your gifts do not give me the power to do<br>
<span class="tab">Promotion constantly undone by you.<br>
You undermine my prized veracity<br>
<span class="tab">With puffings of your own loquacity.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Martial_s_Epigrams/13X80r3_zQIC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22give%20you%20praise%22">Wills</a> (2007)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I'll always cherish what you’ve done for me. <br>
<span class="tab">Why don’t I speak of it? Because you do. <br>
Whenever I tell someone of your bounty, <br>
<span class="tab">he cries at once: <i>“He</i> told me of it, too!” <br>
Some things two can’t do well; just one suffices. <br>
<span class="tab">You must keep mum, if you want <i>me</i> to gush. <br>
Believe me, Postumus, the greatest gifts <br>
<span class="tab">are canceled when the giver just won't hush.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/selectedepigrams0000mart_b6d3/page/46/mode/2up?q=%22I%27ll+always+cherish%22">McLean</a> (2014)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>About your gifts I'd love to gush,<br>
<span class="tab">Instead, I feel I have to hush.<br>
When I tell people, they don't doubt it:<br>
<span class="tab">You've <i>already</i> bragged about it.<br>
Maybe we should coordinate<br>
<span class="tab">Who praises your largesse of late.<br>
But gifts do lose their gleam and such <br>
<span class="tab">When givers praise themselves too much.<br>
[tr. Hill (2023)]</blockquote><br>
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		<title>La Bruyere, Jean de -- The Characters [Les Caractères], ch.  1 &#8220;Of Works of the Mind [Des Ouvrages de l&#8217;Esprit],&#8221; §  69 (1.69) (1688) [tr. Van Laun (1885)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;Horace or Boileau have said such a thing before you.&#8221; &#8212; &#8220;I take your word for it, but I have used it as my own. May I not have the same correct thought after them, as others may have after me?&#8221; [Horace ou Despréaux l’a dit avant vous. &#8212; Je le crois sur votre parole; [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Horace or Boileau have said such a thing before you.&#8221; &#8212; &#8220;I take your word for it, but I have used it as my own. May I not have the same correct thought after them, as others may have after me?&#8221;</p>
<p><em>[Horace ou Despréaux l’a dit avant vous. &#8212; Je le crois sur votre parole; mais je l’ai dit comme mien. Ne puis-je pas penser après eux une chose vraie, et que d’autres encore penseront après moi?]</em></p>
<br><b>Jean de La Bruyère</b> (1645-1696) French essayist, moralist<br><i>The Characters [Les Caractères]</i>, ch.  1 &#8220;Of Works of the Mind <i>[Des Ouvrages de l&#8217;Esprit],&#8221;</i> §  69 (1.69) (1688) [tr. Van Laun (1885)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/46633/pg46633-images.html#Page_7:~:text=%E2%80%9CHorace%20or%20Boileau%20have%20said%20such%20a%20thing%20before%20you.%E2%80%9D%E2%80%94%E2%80%9CI%20take%20your%20word%20for%20it%2C%20but%20I%20have%20used%20it%20as%20my%20own.%20May%20I%20not%20have%20the%20same%20correct%20thought%20after%20them%2C%20as%20others%20may%20have%20after%20me%3F%E2%80%9D" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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(<a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/17980/pg17980-images.html#Des_ouvrages_de_lesprit:~:text=Horace%20ou%20Despr%C3%A9aux%20l%27a%20dit%20avant%20vous.%E2%80%94Je%20le%20crois%20sur%20votre%20parole%3B%20mais%20je%20l%27ai%20dit%20comme%20mien.%20Ne%20puis%2Dje%20pas%20penser%20apr%C3%A8s%20eux%20une%20chose%20vraie%2C%20et%20que%20d%27autres%20encore%20penseront%20apr%C3%A8s%20moi%3F">Source (French)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote><i>Horace</i> and <i>Boileau</i> have said such a thing before you. I take your word for't, but I said it as my own, and may not I think a just thought after them, as others may do the same after me?<br>
[<a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A47658.0001.001?rgn=main;view=fulltext#:~:text=Horace%20and%20Boileau%20have%20said%20such%20a%20thing%20before%20you.%20I%20take%20your%20word%20for%27t%2C%20but%20I%20said%20it%20as%20my%20own%2C%20and%20may%20not%20I%20think%20a%20just%20thought%20after%20them%2C%20as%20others%20may%20do%20the%20same%20after%20me%3F">Bullord</a> ed. (1696)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>HORACE or BOILEAU have said such a thing before you: I take your word for it, but I said it as my own, and may not I think a just Thought after them, as others may do the same after me?<br>
[<a href="https://archive.org/details/worksmonsieurde00rowegoog/page/n39/mode/2up?q=%22HoRAC+E+or+BoiLBAu+have+faid+fuch%22">Curll</a> ed. (1713)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><i>Horace</i> or <i>Boileau</i> have said such a thing before you. I take your Word, for it, but I said it as my own, and may not I have the same just Thought after them, as others may have it after me?<br>
[<a href="https://archive.org/details/worksmonsdelabr00rowegoog/page/n61/mode/2up?q=%22Horace+or+BoiUau%5E+have+faid%22">Browne</a> ed. (1752)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Horace or Boileau said it before you. -- I take your word for that; but I said it as my own. Cannot I, after them, have a true thought, and one which others will think after me?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/characters00labr/page/40/mode/2up?q=%22Horace+or+Boileau%22">Stewart</a> (1970), § 68]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Martial -- Epigrams [Epigrammata], Book  1, epigram  38 (1.38) (AD 85-86) [tr. Pott &#038; Wright (1921)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The verse is mine but friend, when you declaim it, It seems like yours, so grievously you maim it. [Quem recitas meus est, o Fidentine, libellus: sed male cum recitas, incipit esse tuus.] &#8220;To Fidentinus.&#8221; (Source (Latin)). Alternate translations: The Booke thou readst, O Fidentine, is mine; But when thou ill recit&#8217;st it, it proves [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The verse is mine but friend, when you declaim it,<br />
It seems like yours, so grievously you maim it.</p>
<p><em>[Quem recitas meus est, o Fidentine, libellus:<br />
sed male cum recitas, incipit esse tuus.]</em></p>
<br><b>Martial</b> (AD c.39-c.103) Spanish Roman poet, satirist, epigrammatist [Marcus Valerius Martialis]<br><i>Epigrams [Epigrammata]</i>, Book  1, epigram  38 (1.38) (AD 85-86) [tr. Pott &#038; Wright (1921)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/martialtwelveboo0000tran/page/n33/mode/2up" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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"To Fidentinus." (<a href="http://data.perseus.org/citations/urn:cts:latinLit:phi1294.phi002.perseus-lat1:1.38">Source (Latin)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>



<blockquote>The Booke thou readst, O Fidentine, is mine;<br>
But when thou ill recit'st it, it proves thine.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A07090.0001.001/1:5.24?rgn=div2;view=fulltext">May</a> (1629)]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>The verses, Sextus, thou dost read, are mine;<br>
But with bad reading thou wilt make them thine.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Epigrams_of_Sir_John_Harington/hZ03AAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22The+verses,+Sextus,+thou%22&pg=PA163&printsec=frontcover">Harington</a> (fl. c. 1600)]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>The verses, friend, which thou hast read, are mine;<br>
But, as thou read'st them, they may pass for thine.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Epigrams_Ancient_and_Modern_humorous_wit/SyBYAAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22verses,%20friend%22">Bouquet</a>]</blockquote><br>




<blockquote>The verses, friend, which thou hast read, are mine;<br>
But, as thou read'st so ill, 't is surely thine.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Epigrams_of_Martial/LzXgAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA43">Fletcher</a> (c. 1650)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>My living lays were those that you dispense:<br>
But, when you murder them, they yours commence.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Epigrams_of_M_Val_Martial/vksOAAAAQAAJ?gbpv=1&bsq=%22living%20lays%22">Elphinston</a> (1782), 12.14]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O Fidentinus! the book you are reciting is mine, but you recite it so badly it begins to be yours.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/martialmoderns00mart/page/46/mode/2up?q=fidentinus">Amos</a> (1858), ch. 2, ep. 33]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>With faulty accents, and so vile a tone,<br>
You quote my lines, I took them for your own.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Poetical_Register_and_Repository_of/zEggAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22faulty+accents,+and+so+vile%22&pg=PA224&printsec=frontcover">Halhead</a> (fl. c. 1800)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The book which you are reading aloud is mine, Fidentinus but, while you read it so badly, it begins to be yours.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.tertullian.org/fathers/martial_epigrams_book01.htm#:~:text=The%20book%20which%20you%20are%20reading%20aloud%20is%20mine%2C%20Fidentinus%20but%2C%20while%20you%20read%20it%20so%20badly%2C%20it%20begins%20to%20be%20yours.">Bohn's Classical</a> (1859)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The verses, friend, which thou has read, are mine;<br>
But, as though read'st them, they may pass for thine.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Epigrams_of_Martial/LzXgAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA43">Bouquet</a> (<1879)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>You're reading my book to your friends as your own:<br>
But in reading so badly your claim to it's shown.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/romanwitepigrams00mart/page/6/mode/2up?q=fidentinus">Nixon</a> (1911)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>That book you recite, O Fidentinus, is mine. But your vile recitation begins to make it your own.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Epigrams/w4ZfAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22book%20you%20recite%22">Ker</a> (1919)]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>The book you read in public from<br>
is one I wrote. But the way you moan<br>
and mangle it turns it into your own.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/epigramsofmartia0000mart_q2h6/page/50/mode/2up?q=%22read+in+public%22">Bovie</a> (1970)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>They're mine, but while a fool like you recites<br>
My poems I resign the author's rights.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/epigrams0000mart/page/6/mode/2up?q=%22they%27re+mine%22">Michie</a> (1972)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The little book you are reciting, Fidentinus, belongs to me. But when you recite it badly, it begins to belong to you.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://dokumen.pub/martial-epigrams-spectacles-books-1-5-1-0674995554-9780674995550.html#:~:text=The%20little%20book%20you%20are%20reciting%2C%20Fidentinus%2C%20belongs%20to%20me.%20But%20when%20you%20recite%20it%20badly%2C%20it%20begins%20to%20belong%20to%20you.">Shackleton Bailey</a> (1993)]</blockquote><br>




<blockquote>Fame of how badly you read it endures.<br>
Though that's my book, just call it yours.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN6101057747">Ericsson</a> (1995)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Although the lines are mine (their worth assures) --<br>
By badly singing them, you make them yours.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Martial_s_Epigrams/13X80r3_zQIC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=1.38">Wills</a> (2007)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Dear Rud, the book from which you are<br>
giving a reading is mine<br>
but since you read so badly<br>
it's yours.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Martial_Art/QPdaAAAAMAAJ?kptab=editions&gbpv=1&bsq=%22dear%20rud%22">Kennelly</a> (2008)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The book that you recite from, Fidentinus, is my own.<br>
But when you read it badly, it belongs to you alone.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://books.google.ie/books?id=SQwwBQAAQBAJ&lpg=PR7&pg=PR7#v=snippet&q=%22you%20recite%20from%22&f=false">McLean</a> (2014)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>That little book you're reciting is one of mine, Fidentinus; but you're reciting it so badly, it's turning into one of yours.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Epigrams/AqHKBwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA5&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22reciting%20is%20one%20of%20mine%22">Nisbet</a> (2015)]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>You ask me to recite my poems to you?<br>
I know how you’ll “recite” them, if I do.<br>
[tr. <a href="http://www.thehypertexts.com/Michael%20R.%20Burch%20Epigrams%20and%20Quotes.htm#:~:text=You%20ask%20me%20to%20recite%20my%20poems%20to%20you%3F%0AI%20know%20how%20you%27ll%20%22recite%22%20them%2C%20if%20I%20do.">Burch</a> (c. 2017)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>That verse is mine, you know, which you’re<br>
<span class="tab">Reciting, But you quote it<br>
So execrably, that I believe<br>
<span class="tab">I’ll let you say you wrote it<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Epigrams_of_Martial/fZWq0MP5XQUC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA74&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22verse%20is%20mine%22">Wender</a>]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The poems thou are reading, friend, are mine;<br>
But such bad reading starts to make them thine.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://briefpoems.wordpress.com/2016/06/11/bedside-lamps-brief-poems-by-martial/#:~:text=The%20poems%20thou%20are%20reading%2C%20friend%2C%20are%20mine">Oliver</a>]</blockquote><br>




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		<title>Emerson, Ralph Waldo -- &#8220;Experience,&#8221; Essays: Second Series (1844)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[We do what we must, and call it by the best names we can, and would fain have the praise of having intended the result which ensues.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We do what we must, and call it by the best names we can, and would fain have the praise of having intended the result which ensues.</p>
<br><b>Ralph Waldo Emerson</b> (1803-1882) American essayist, lecturer, poet<br>&#8220;Experience,&#8221; <i>Essays: Second Series</i> (1844) 
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		<title>Brust, Steven -- Issola (2001)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;Simple things are never problems,” I told her. &#8220;Unfortunate, maybe, but if it isn&#8217;t complicated, it isn&#8217;t really a problem.&#8221; The Goddess nodded. &#8220;Very good, Vlad; I didn&#8217;t expect such wisdom from you.&#8221; I grunted and didn&#8217;t tell her I was quoting my grandfather; I&#8217;d rather she stayed impressed.]]></description>
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<p>I grunted and didn&#8217;t tell her I was quoting my grandfather; I&#8217;d rather she stayed impressed.</p>
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		<title>Nietzsche, Friedrich -- The Gay Science [Die fröhliche Wissenschaft], Book 3, § 258 (1882) [tr. Kaufmann (1974)]</title>
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<p><em>[Kein Sieger glaubt an den Zufall.]</em></p>
<br><b>Friedrich Nietzsche</b> (1844-1900) German philosopher and poet<br><i>The Gay Science [Die fröhliche Wissenschaft]</i>, Book 3, § 258 (1882) [tr. Kaufmann (1974)] 
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Also known as <i>La Gaya Scienza</i>, <i>The Joyful Wisdom</i>, or <i>The Joyous Science</i>. <br><br>

(<a href="https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_LNEuAAAAYAAJ/page/n201/mode/2up?q=258">Source (German)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>No conqueror believes in chance.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/completenietasch10nietuoft/page/206/mode/2up?q=%22no+conqueror%22">Common</a> (1911)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No victor believes in chance.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Nietzsche_The_Gay_Science/Vf8KETLiKXMC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22no%20victor%22">Nauckhoff</a> (2001)]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Stone, I. F. -- International Herald Tribune (16 Mar 1988)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you are younger you get blamed for crimes you never committed and when you&#8217;re older you begin to get credit for virtues you never possessed. It evens itself out.</p>
<br><b>Isidor Feinstein "I. F." Stone</b> (1907-1989) American investigative journalist and author<br><i>International Herald Tribune</i> (16 Mar 1988) 
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		<title>Eisenhower, Dwight David -- Speech, Guildhall, London (12 Jun 1945)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Humility must always be the portion of any man who receives acclaim earned in blood of his followers and sacrifices of his friends.</p>
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		<title>Lamb, Charles -- &#8220;Table Talk, by the Late Elia,&#8221; London Athenaeum (4 Jan 1834)</title>
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<br><b>Charles Lamb</b> (1775-1834) Welsh-English essayist<br>&#8220;Table Talk, by the Late Elia,&#8221; London <em>Athenaeum</em> (4 Jan 1834) 
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		<title>La Rochefoucauld, Francois -- Réflexions ou sentences et maximes morales [Maxims] (1665-1678)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Although men flatter themselves with their great actions, they are not so often the result of a great design as of chance.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although men flatter themselves with their great actions, they are not so often the result of a great design as of chance.</p>
<br><b>François VI, duc de La Rochefoucauld</b> (1613-1680) French epigrammatist, memoirist, noble<br><i>Réflexions ou sentences et maximes morales [Maxims]</i> (1665-1678) 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One who praises you for qualities you lack, will next be found blaming you for faults not yours.</p>
<br><b>'Ali ibn Abi-Talib</b> (602-661) Fourth Caliph<br><i>Maxims of &#8216;Ali</i> [tr. Mualan Akbar] 
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		<title>Barrie, James -- What Every Woman Knows, Act 4 (1918)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[MAGGIE: Every man who is high up loves to think that he has done it all himself; and the wife smiles, and lets it go at that.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">MAGGIE: Every man who is high up loves to think that he has done it all himself; and the wife smiles, and lets it go at that. </p>
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<br><b>J. M. Barrie</b> (1860-1937) Scottish novelist and dramatist [James Matthew Barrie]<br><i>What Every Woman Knows</i>, Act 4 (1918) 
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		<title>Montague, C. E. -- &#8220;Any Cure?&#8221; sec. 3, Disenchantment (1922)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is no limit to what a man can do so long as he does not care a straw who gets the credit for it. Montague did not take credit for the phrase, referring to it as a saying. This was not the first time Montague used the phrase. In a memoir about journalist William [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no limit to what a man can do so long as he does not care a straw who gets the credit for it. </p>
<br><b>Charles Edward "C. E." Montague</b> (1867-1928) English journalist, novelist, essayist<br>&#8220;Any Cure?&#8221; sec. 3, <i>Disenchantment</i> (1922) 
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Montague did not take credit for the phrase, referring to it as a saying. <br><br>

This was not the first time Montague used the phrase. In a memoir about journalist William T. Arnold in 1906, he stated that <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Studies_of_Roman_Imperialism/SqsUAAAAYAAJ?gbpv=1&bsq=%22who%20gains%20the%20credit%22">a phrase that "someone has said"</a> was a particular favorite of Arnold's: "There is no limit to what a man can do who does not care who gains the credit for it."<br><br>

More discussion of the quote and its origins: <a href="https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/12/21/doing-good-selfless/">A Man May Do an Immense Deal of Good, If He Does Not Care Who Gets the Credit – Quote Investigator</a>. See also <a href="https://wist.info/truman-harry-s/3905/">Truman</a>.						</span>
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		<title>Twain, Mark -- Story (1905-12), &#8220;Eve&#8217;s Diary,&#8221; Harper&#8217;s Magazine, Vol. 112, No. 1</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[How little a thing can make us happy when we feel that we have earned it! On Adam&#8217;s admiration for her (Eve) having properly named the dodo. Published in June, 1906, as its own (illustrated) book.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How little a thing can make us happy when we feel that we have earned it!</p>
<br><b>Mark Twain</b> (1835-1910) American writer [pseud. of Samuel Clemens]<br>Story (1905-12), &#8220;Eve&#8217;s Diary,&#8221; <i>Harper&#8217;s Magazine</i>, Vol. 112, No. 1 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210015289463&seq=13&q1=%22little+a+thing%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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On Adam's admiration for her (Eve) having properly named the dodo.<br><br>

Published in June, 1906, as <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/8525/pg8525-images.html#:~:text=How%20little%20a%20thing%20can%20make%20us%20happy%20when%20we%20feel%20that%20we%20have%20earned%20it!">its own (illustrated) book</a>.<br><br>



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		<title>Rose, Billy -- (Attributed)</title>
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<br><b>Billy Rose</b> (1899-1966) American impresario, theatrical showman and lyricist [b. William Samuel Rosenberg]<br>(Attributed) 
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		<title>Howe, Edgar Watson -- Ventures in Common Sense, &#8220;Miscellany of Life&#8221; (1919)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The greatest humiliation in life, is to work hard on something from which you expect great appreciation, and then fail to get it.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The greatest humiliation in life, is to work hard on something from which you expect great appreciation, and then fail to get it.</p>
<p><a href="https://wist.info/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Howe-greatest-humiliation-life-work-hard-expect-great-appreciation-fail-get-wist_info-quote.png"><img alt="" fetchpriority="high" decoding="async" src="https://wist.info/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Howe-greatest-humiliation-life-work-hard-expect-great-appreciation-fail-get-wist_info-quote.png" alt="" width="800" height="490" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-40851" srcset="https://wist.info/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Howe-greatest-humiliation-life-work-hard-expect-great-appreciation-fail-get-wist_info-quote.png 800w, https://wist.info/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Howe-greatest-humiliation-life-work-hard-expect-great-appreciation-fail-get-wist_info-quote-300x184.png 300w, https://wist.info/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Howe-greatest-humiliation-life-work-hard-expect-great-appreciation-fail-get-wist_info-quote-768x470.png 768w" sizes="(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px" /></a></p>
<br><b>Edgar Watson "Ed" Howe</b> (1853-1937) American journalist and author [E. W. Howe]<br><i>Ventures in Common Sense</i>, &#8220;Miscellany of Life&#8221; (1919) 
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		<title>Ciano, Galeazzo -- Diario, 9 Sep 1942 (1946)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[As always, victory finds a hundred fathers, but defeat is an orphan. [Come sempre, la victoria trova cento padri, e nessuno vuole riconoscere l’insuccesso.] Alternate translation: &#8220;As always, victory will have a hundred fathers, but defeat will never be acknowledged by anyone at all.&#8221; An &#8220;old saying&#8221; quoted by John Kennedy after the Bay of [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As always, victory finds a hundred fathers, but defeat is an orphan.</p>
<p><em>[Come sempre, la victoria trova cento padri, e nessuno vuole riconoscere l’insuccesso.]</em></p>
<br><b>Galeazzo Ciano</b> (1903-1944) Italian diplomat [Gian Galeazzo Ciano, 2nd Count of Cortellazzo and Buccari]<br><i>Diario</i>, 9 Sep 1942 (1946) 
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Alternate translation: "As always, victory will have a hundred fathers, but defeat will never be acknowledged by anyone at all."<br><br>

An "old saying" quoted by John Kennedy after the Bay of Pigs fiasco. Most likely gleaned from the movie <i>The Desert Fox</i> (1951), where Field Marshal von Rundstedt tells Erwin Rommel “You must never forget this, my dear fellow: Victory has a hundred fathers. Defeat is an orphan.” The movie was based on the book Desmond Young, <i>Rommel, the Desert Fox</i> (1951), which provides a citation for the quotation.
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		<title>Heywood, John -- Proverbes, Part 1, ch.  3 (1546)</title>
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There shall steppe in <em>other men</em> and <em>catch the burdes</em>.</p>
<br><b>John Heywood</b> (1497?-1580?) English playwright and epigrammist<br><i>Proverbes</i>, Part 1, ch.  3 (1546) 
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		<title>Truman, Harry S -- (Spurious)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit. There is nothing contemporary to Truman indicating this is a valid quotation of his. The earliest instance of crediting Truman seems to be by Hugh Sidey in Time (7 Nov 1988). A variant of this quote was also attributed [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit.</p>
<br><b>Harry S Truman</b> (1884-1972) US President (1945-1953)<br>(Spurious) 
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There is nothing contemporary to Truman indicating this is a valid quotation of his.  The <a href="https://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,968875,00.html#:~:text=%22It%20is%20amazing%20what%20you%20can%20accomplish%20if%20you%20do%20not%20care%20who%20gets%20the%20credit%2C%22%20said%20Harry%20Truman.">earliest instance</a> of crediting Truman seems to be by Hugh Sidey in <i>Time</i> (7 Nov 1988). <br><br>

A variant of this quote was also attributed to Ronald Reagan, apparently due to <a href="https://www.reaganfoundation.org/ronald-reagan/the-presidency/reagan-the-man/#:~:text=On%20his%20desk%20in%20the%20Oval%20Office%2C%20President%20Reagan%20kept%20a%20small%20plaque%20with%20the%20words%3A%20%E2%80%9CThere%20is%20no%20limit%20to%20what%20a%20man%20can%20do%20or%20where%20he%20can%20go%20if%20he%20does%20not%20mind%20who%20gets%20the%20credit.%E2%80%9D">a plaque he kept in his office</a>:<br><br>

<blockquote>There is no limit to what a man can do or where he can go if he does not mind who gets the credit.</blockquote><br>

More discussion of the quote and its actual origins going back to 1863: <a href="https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/12/21/doing-good-selfless/">A Man May Do an Immense Deal of Good, If He Does Not Care Who Gets the Credit – Quote Investigator</a>. See also <a href="https://wist.info/montague-c-e/28957/">Montague</a>.						</span>
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		<title>Lao-tzu -- The Way of Life, ch. 17 [tr. Blakney (1955)]</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He is aloof, as if his talk<br />
Were priced beyond the purchasing;<br />
But once his project is contrived,<br />
The folk will want to say of it:<br />
&#8220;Of course! We did it by ourselves!&#8221;</p>
<br><b>Lao-tzu</b> (604?-531? BC) Chinese philosopher, poet [also Lao-tse, Laozi]<br><i>The Way of Life</i>, ch. 17 [tr. Blakney (1955)] 
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Alt. trans.:
<ul>
	<li>"A good manager is best when people barely know that he exists.  Not so good when people obey and acclaim him.  Worse when they despise him.  But of a good leader, who talks little, when his work is done -- his aim fulfilled, they will say: 'We did it ourselves.'"</li>
	<li>"When the effective leader is finished with his work, the people say it happened naturally."</li>
</ul><br><br>

<a href="https://listed.to/@alliswellinthegreatmess/13228/ursula-k-le-guin-1997-tao-te-ching-a-book-about-the-way-and-the-power-of-the-way-boston-shambhala-publications#:~:text=nothing%20to%20fear.-,17.%20Acting%20simply,-True%20leaders%0Aare">Ursula K. Le Guin</a>, in her <i>Tao Te Ching</i> (1997) rendered it this way:<br><br>

<blockquote>True leaders<br>
are hardly known to their followers.<br>
Next after them are the leaders<br>
the people know and admire;<br>
after them, those they fear;<br>
after them, those they despise.<br>
[...]<br>
When the work’s done right,<br>
with no fuss or boasting,<br>
ordinary people say,<br>
Oh, we did it.</blockquote><br>
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