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		<title>Marlowe, Christopher -- The Tragicall History of the Life and Death of Doctor Faustus, Epilogue (1594; 1604 &#8220;A&#8221; text)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[CHORUS: Cut is the branch that might have grown full straight, And burnèd is Apollo&#8217;s laurel bough, That sometime grew within this learnèd man. Faustus is gone. Regard his hellish fall, Whose fiendful fortune may exhort the wise Only to wonder at unlawful things, Whose deepness doth entice such forward wits, To practise more than [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">CHORUS: Cut is the branch that might have grown full straight,<br />
And burnèd is Apollo&#8217;s laurel bough,<br />
That sometime grew within this learnèd man.<br />
Faustus is gone. Regard his hellish fall,<br />
Whose fiendful fortune may exhort the wise<br />
Only to wonder at unlawful things,<br />
Whose deepness doth entice such forward wits,<br />
To practise more than heavenly power permits.</p>
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<br><b>Christopher "Kit" Marlowe</b> (1564-1593) English dramatist and poet<br><i>The Tragicall History of the Life and Death of Doctor Faustus</i>, Epilogue (1594; 1604 &#8220;A&#8221; text) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/tamburlaineparts0000marl_v0q5/page/182/mode/2up" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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Final lines of the play, with the further written remark <em>"Terminat hora diem; terminat auctor opus.</em> [Finished the hour of the day; finished the author of the work]"<br><br>

In the "B" text (written 1594; published 1616), this chorus is replaced by a scene 5.3, with the Scholars returning, finding Faustus torn to pieces by demons, expressing regret, and resolving to give him a funeral.						</span>
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		<title>Marlowe, Christopher -- The Tragicall History of the Life and Death of Doctor Faustus, Act 5, sc. 2 (sc. 19), l. 2015ff (1594; 1616 &#8220;B&#8221; text)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[GOOD ANGEL: And now, poor soul, must thy good angel leave thee, The jaws of hell are open to receive thee. (Exit) This dialog only appears in the &#8220;B&#8221; text.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">GOOD ANGEL: And now, poor soul, must thy good angel leave thee,<br />
The jaws of hell are open to receive thee. <i>(Exit)</i></p>
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<br><b>Christopher "Kit" Marlowe</b> (1564-1593) English dramatist and poet<br><i>The Tragicall History of the Life and Death of Doctor Faustus</i>, Act 5, sc. 2 (sc. 19), l. 2015ff (1594; 1616 &#8220;B&#8221; text) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.03.0011%3Aact%3D5%3Ascene%3D2#:~:text=And%20now%20poor%20soul%20must%20thy%20good%20angel%20leave%20thee.%0AThe%20jaws%20of%20hell%20are%20open%20to%20receive%20thee.%20Exit" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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This dialog only appears in the "B" text.						</span>
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		<title>Marlowe, Christopher -- The Tragicall History of the Life and Death of Doctor Faustus, Act 5, sc. 2 (sc. 19), l. 1498ff (1594; 1604 &#8220;A&#8221; text)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[FAUSTUS: No, Faustus, curse thyself, curse Lucifer, That hath deprived thee of the joys of heaven. (The clock striketh twelve.) O, it strikes, it strikes! Now, body, turn to air, Or Lucifer will bear thee quick to hell. (Thunder and lightning.) O soul, be changed into little water drops, And fall into the ocean, ne&#8217;er [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">FAUSTUS: No, Faustus, curse thyself, curse Lucifer,<br />
That hath deprived thee of the joys of heaven.<br />
<space class="tab"><i>(The clock striketh twelve.)</i><br />
O, it strikes, it strikes! Now, body, turn to air,<br />
Or Lucifer will bear thee quick to hell.<br />
</space><space class="tab"><i>(Thunder and lightning.)</i><br />
O soul, be changed into little water drops,<br />
And fall into the ocean, ne&#8217;er be found!<br />
My God, my God, look not so fierce on me!<br />
</space><space class="tab">(<i>Enter Devils.)</i><br />
Adders, and serpents, let me breathe a while!<br />
Ugly hell, gape not. Come not Lucifer!<br />
I&#8217;ll burn my books! Ah, Mephistophilis!<br />
</space><space class="tab"><i>(Exeunt Devils with Faustus.)</i></space></p>
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<br><b>Christopher "Kit" Marlowe</b> (1564-1593) English dramatist and poet<br><i>The Tragicall History of the Life and Death of Doctor Faustus</i>, Act 5, sc. 2 (sc. 19), l. 1498ff (1594; 1604 &#8220;A&#8221; text) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.03.0010%3Ascene%3D14#:~:text=No%2C%20Faustus%2C%20curse,Devils%20with%20Faustus." target="_blank">Source</a>)
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The <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.03.0011%3Aact%3D5%3Ascene%3D2#:~:text=No%2C%20Faustus%2C%20curse%20thyself.%20Curse%20Lucifer">B-Text (1594; 1616), l. 2081ff</a>, is largely the same, with minor punctuation changes, except that rather than cry "My God, my God," Faustus cries "O mercy, heaven!"

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		<title>Belloc, Hilaire -- Poem (1923), &#8220;Epigram 45: On a Puritan,&#8221; Sonnets and Verse (1923 ed.)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He served his God so faithfully and well,<br />
That now he sees him face to face, in hell.</p>
<br><b>Hilaire Belloc</b> (1870-1953) Franco-British writer, historian [Joseph Hilaire Pierre René Belloc]<br>Poem (1923), &#8220;Epigram 45: On a Puritan,&#8221; <i>Sonnets and Verse</i> (1923 ed.) 
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		<title>Marlowe, Christopher -- The Tragicall History of the Life and Death of Doctor Faustus, Act 5, sc. 2 (sc. 14), l. 1451ff (1594; 1604 &#8220;A&#8221; text)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[FAUSTUS. Ah, Faustus, Now hast thou but one bare hour to live, And then thou must be damn&#8217;d perpetually! Stand still, you ever-moving Spheres of Heaven, That time may cease, and midnight never come; Fair Nature&#8217;s eye, rise, rise again, and make Perpetual day; or let this hour be but A year, a month, a [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">FAUSTUS. Ah, Faustus,<br />
Now hast thou but one bare hour to live,<br />
And then thou must be damn&#8217;d perpetually!<br />
Stand still, you ever-moving Spheres of Heaven,<br />
That time may cease, and midnight never come;<br />
Fair Nature&#8217;s eye, rise, rise again, and make<br />
Perpetual day; or let this hour be but<br />
A year, a month, a week, a natural day,<br />
That Faustus may repent and save his soul!</p>
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<br><b>Christopher "Kit" Marlowe</b> (1564-1593) English dramatist and poet<br><i>The Tragicall History of the Life and Death of Doctor Faustus</i>, Act 5, sc. 2 (sc. 14), l. 1451ff (1594; 1604 &#8220;A&#8221; text) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.03.0010%3Ascene%3D14#:~:text=Ah%20Faustus%2C,save%20his%20soul." target="_blank">Source</a>)
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The <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.03.0011%3Aact%3D5%3Ascene%3D2#:~:text=O%2C%20Faustus%2C,save%20his%20soul.">same text</a> appears in the 1594 (1616) "B" text, in sc. 19, l. 2036ff, except it begins "O Faustus ...."





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		<title>Marlowe, Christopher -- The Tragicall History of the Life and Death of Doctor Faustus, Act 5, sc. 2 (sc. 14), l.   32ff (1594; 1604 &#8220;A&#8221; text)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[FAUSTUS: Lucifer and Mephistophilis. Ah, gentlemen! I gave them my soul for my cunning! ALL: God forbid! FAUSTUS: God forbade it, indeed; but Faustus hath done it. In the expanded &#8220;B&#8221; text (1594; 1616), the lines (5.2/19; l. 60ff) are similar. FAUSTUS: Why, Lucifer and Mephistophiles. O gentlemen, I gave them my soul for my [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">FAUSTUS: Lucifer and Mephistophilis.  Ah, gentlemen! I gave them my soul for my cunning!</p>
<p class="hangingindent">ALL: God forbid!</p>
<p class="hangingindent">FAUSTUS: God forbade it, indeed; but Faustus hath done it.</p>
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<br><b>Christopher "Kit" Marlowe</b> (1564-1593) English dramatist and poet<br><i>The Tragicall History of the Life and Death of Doctor Faustus</i>, Act 5, sc. 2 (sc. 14), l.   32ff (1594; 1604 &#8220;A&#8221; text) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/tamburlaineparts0000marl_v0q5/page/180/mode/2up?q=%22ah+gentlemen+i+gave%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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In the expanded "B" text (1594; 1616), <a href="https://archive.org/details/tamburlaineparts0000marl_v0q5/page/240/mode/2up?q=%22o+gentlemen+i+gave%22">the lines</a> (5.2/19; l. 60ff) are similar.<br><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">FAUSTUS: Why, Lucifer and Mephistophiles.  O gentlemen, I gave them my soul for my cunning!<br>
<span class="tab">ALL: O, God forbid!<br>
<span class="tab">FAUSTUS: God forbade it indeed; but Faustus hath done it.</blockquote>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The doctrine of eternal pain is my trouble with this Christian religion. I reject it on account of its infinite heartlessness. </p>
<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833-1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>Lecture (1884-01-20), &#8220;Orthodoxy,&#8221; Tabor Opera House, Denver, Colorado 
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<a href="https://archive.org/details/orthodoxylecture00inge/page/48/mode/2up?q=%22eternal+pain+is+my%22">Published as its own book</a> in 1884. See <a href="https://wist.info/dante-alighieri-poet/56759/">Dante</a> (1309).
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">FAUSTUS: <i>Si peccasse negamus, fallimur, et nulla est in nobis veritas;</i><br />
&#8220;If we say that we have no sin,<br />
We deceive ourselves, and there&#8217;s no truth in us.&#8221;<br />
Why, then, belike we must sin,<br />
And so consequently die.<br />
Ay, we must die an everlasting death.</p>
<p></p>
<br><b>Christopher "Kit" Marlowe</b> (1564-1593) English dramatist and poet<br><i>The Tragicall History of the Life and Death of Doctor Faustus</i>, Act 1, sc. 1 (sc.  1), l.   70ff (1594; 1604 &#8220;A&#8221; text) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.03.0010%3Ascene%3D1#:~:text=Si%20peccasse%20negamus,an%20everlasting%20death." target="_blank">Source</a>)
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The quote is from the Bible, <a href="https://wist.info/bible-nt/6896/">1 John 1:8</a>; Faustus ignores verse 9 which speaks of forgiveness.<br><br>

The <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.03.0011&redirect=true#:~:text=Si%20peccasse%2C,an%20everlasting%20death.">same words</a> are used in the "B" text (w. 1594; pub. 1616), l. 68ff.
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		<title>Ingersoll, Robert Green -- Lecture (1884-01-20), &#8220;Orthodoxy,&#8221; Tabor Opera House, Denver, Colorado</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are told &#8220;God so loved the world&#8221; that he is going to damn almost everybody. If this orthodox religion be true, some of the greatest, and grandest, and best who ever lived are suffering God&#8217;s torments to-night. It does not appear to make much difference with the members of the church. They go right on enjoying themselves about as well as ever. If this doctrine is true, Benjamin Franklin, one of the wisest and best of men, who did so much to give us here a free government, is suffering the tyranny of God to-night, although he endeavored to establish freedom among men. If the churches were honest, their preachers would tell their hearers: &#8220;Benjamin Franklin is in hell, and we warn all the youth not to imitate Benjamin Franklin. Thomas Jefferson, author of the Declaration of Independence, with its self-evident truths, has been damned these many years.&#8221;</p>
<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833-1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>Lecture (1884-01-20), &#8220;Orthodoxy,&#8221; Tabor Opera House, Denver, Colorado 
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<a href="https://archive.org/details/orthodoxylecture00inge/page/44/mode/2up?q=%22damn+almost+everybody%22">Published as its own book</a> in 1884.

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		<description><![CDATA[In this world we never will be perfectly civilized as long as a gallows casts its shadow upon the earth. As long as there is a penitentiary, within the walls of which a human being is immured, we are not a perfectly civilized people. We shall never be perfectly civilized until we do away with [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this world we never will be perfectly civilized as long as a gallows casts its shadow upon the earth. As long as there is a penitentiary, within the walls of which a human being is immured, we are not a perfectly civilized people. We shall never be perfectly civilized until we do away with crime.<br />
<span class="tab">And yet, according to this Christian religion, God is to have an eternal penitentiary; he is to be an everlasting jailer, an everlasting turnkey, a warden of an infinite dungeon, and he is going to keep prisoners there forever, not for the purpose of reforming them &#8212; because they are never going to get any better, only worse &#8212; but for the purpose of purposeless punishment. And for what? For something they failed to believe in this world. Born in ignorance, supported by poverty, caught in the snares of temptation, deformed by toil, stupefied by want &#8212; and yet held responsible through the countless ages of eternity! No man can think of a greater horror; no man can dream of a greater absurdity.</span></p>
<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833-1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>Lecture (1884-01-20), &#8220;Orthodoxy,&#8221; Tabor Opera House, Denver, Colorado 
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<a href="https://archive.org/details/orthodoxylecture00inge/page/44/mode/2up?q=%22perfectly+civilized%22">Published as its own book</a> in 1884.						</span>
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		<description><![CDATA[BAD ANGEL: Now, Faustus, let shine eyes with horror stare Into that vast perpetual torture-house. There are the Furies tossing damned souls On burning forks; their bodies broil in lead. There are live quarters broiling on the coals, That ne&#8217;er can die. This ever-burning chair Is for o&#8217;er-tortured souls to rest them in. These, that [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">BAD ANGEL: Now, Faustus, let shine eyes with horror stare<br />
Into that vast perpetual torture-house.<br />
There are the Furies tossing damned souls<br />
On burning forks; their bodies broil in lead.<br />
There are live quarters broiling on the coals,<br />
That ne&#8217;er can die. This ever-burning chair<br />
Is for o&#8217;er-tortured souls to rest them in.<br />
These, that are fed with sops of flaming fire,<br />
Were gluttons, and loved only delicates,<br />
And laughed to see the poor starve at their gates.<br />
But yet all these are nothing; thou shalt see<br />
Ten thousand tortures that more horrid be.</p>
<p class="hangingindent">FAUSTUS: O, I have seen enough to torture me.</p>
<p class="hangingindent">BAD ANGEL: Nay, thou must feel them, taste the smart of all.<br />
He that loves pleasure must for pleasure fall.</p>
<p></p>
<br><b>Christopher "Kit" Marlowe</b> (1564-1593) English dramatist and poet<br><i>The Tragicall History of the Life and Death of Doctor Faustus</i>, Act 5, sc. 4 (sc. 19), l. 2018ff (5.4.2018-2029) (1594; 1616 &#8220;B&#8221; text) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.03.0011%3Aact%3D5%3Ascene%3D2#:~:text=Bad.%0ANow,for%20pleasure%20fall." target="_blank">Source</a>)
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This Dante-like scene with the Bad Angel was added in the "B" text.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">FAUSTUS. Come, I think hell&#8217;s a fable.</p>
<p class="hangingindent">MEPHISTOPHILES: Ay, think so still, till experience change thy mind.</p>
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<br><b>Christopher "Kit" Marlowe</b> (1564-1593) English dramatist and poet<br><i>The Tragicall History of the Life and Death of Doctor Faustus</i>, Act 2, sc. 1 (sc.  5), l. 573ff (1594; 1604 &#8220;A&#8221; text) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.03.0010%3Ascene%3D5#:~:text=Fau.%0ACome,change%20thy%20mind." target="_blank">Source</a>)
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The <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Tragicall_History_of_the_Life_and_Death_of_Doctor_Faustus/Scene_5#:~:text=Faust.%0AI%20thinke%20hell%27s%20a%20meere%20fable.%0A%0AMeph.%0AI%2C%20thinke%20so%20still%2C%20till%20experience%20change%20thy%20minde.">"B" text (1594; 1616)</a> as a slight variance in Faust's line:<br><br>

<blockquote>FAUSTUS: I think hell's a mere fable.<br>
MEPHISTOPHILES: Aye, think so still, till experience change thy mind.</blockquote><br>


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">FAUSTUS: Stay, Mephistopheles, and tell me,<br />
What good will my soul do thy lord?</p>
<p class="hangingindent">MEPHISTOPHILES: Enlarge his kingdom.</p>
<p class="hangingindent">FAUSTUS: Is that the reason he tempts us thus?</p>
<p class="hangingindent">MEPHISTOPHILES: <i>Solamen miseris socios habuisse doloris.</i><br />
[Misery loves company.]</p>
<p></p>
<br><b>Christopher "Kit" Marlowe</b> (1564-1593) English dramatist and poet<br><i>The Tragicall History of the Life and Death of Doctor Faustus</i>, Act 2, sc. 1 (sc.  5), l.  477ff (1594; 1604 &#8220;A&#8221; text) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.03.0010%3Ascene%3D5#:~:text=Fau.%0AStay,habuisse%20doloris." target="_blank">Source</a>)
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Variants of the Latin translation:<br> 
<ul>
	<li>It is a comfort to the wretched to have companions in misery.</li>
	<li>It is a comfort to the unfortunate to have had companions in woe.</li>
	<li>To the unhappy it is a comfort to have had company in misery.</li>
	<li>Solace of the wretched to have companions of pain.</li>
</ul>

<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.03.0011%3Aact%3D2%3Ascene%3D1#:~:text=Faust.%0AStay,habuisse%20doloris.">The same wording is used in the "B" text</a> (1594; 1616), l. 427ff.


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		<title>Marlowe, Christopher -- The Tragicall History of the Life and Death of Doctor Faustus, Act 2, sc. 1 (sc.  5), l.  565ff (1594; 1604 &#8220;A&#8221; text)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[MEPHISTOPHILES: Within the bowels of these elements, Where we are tortur&#8217;d and remain for ever: Hell hath no limits, nor is circumscrib&#8217;d In one self place; for where we are is hell, And where hell is, there must we ever be: And, to conclude, when all the world dissolves, And every creature shall be purified, [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">MEPHISTOPHILES: Within the bowels of these elements,<br />
Where we are tortur&#8217;d and remain for ever:<br />
Hell hath no limits, nor is circumscrib&#8217;d<br />
In one self place; for where we are is hell,<br />
And where hell is, there must we ever be:<br />
And, to conclude, when all the world dissolves,<br />
And every creature shall be purified,<br />
All places shall be hell that are not heaven.</p>
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<br><b>Christopher "Kit" Marlowe</b> (1564-1593) English dramatist and poet<br><i>The Tragicall History of the Life and Death of Doctor Faustus</i>, Act 2, sc. 1 (sc.  5), l.  565ff (1594; 1604 &#8220;A&#8221; text) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.03.0010%3Ascene%3D5#:~:text=Within%20the%20bowels,is%20not%20heaven." target="_blank">Source</a>)
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The same text is used in the <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.03.0011%3Aact%3D2%3Ascene%3D1#:~:text=Within%20the%20bowels,is%20not%20heaven.">"B" text (1594; 1616) at l. 515ff</a>.<br><br>

The End Times "world dissolves" comes from <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2024%3A19&version=AKJV">Isaiah 24:19</a>. "Shall be purified" is a reference to <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=daniel%2012%3A10&version=AKJV">Daniel 12:10</a>.						</span>
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		<title>Marlowe, Christopher -- The Tragicall History of the Life and Death of Doctor Faustus, Act 1, sc. 3 (sc.  3), l.  317ff (1594; 1604 &#8220;A&#8221; text)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">FAUSTUS: Where are you damn’d?</p>
<p class="hangingindent">MEPHISTOPHILIS: In hell.</p>
<p class="hangingindent">FAUSTUS: How comes it, then, that thou art out of hell?</p>
<p class="hangingindent">MEPHISTOPHILIS: Why, this is hell, nor am I out of it<br />
Think&#8217;st thou that I, who saw the face of God,<br />
And tasted the eternal joys of heaven,<br />
Am not tormented with ten thousand hells,<br />
In being depriv&#8217;d of everlasting bliss?</p>
<p></p>
<br><b>Christopher "Kit" Marlowe</b> (1564-1593) English dramatist and poet<br><i>The Tragicall History of the Life and Death of Doctor Faustus</i>, Act 1, sc. 3 (sc.  3), l.  317ff (1594; 1604 &#8220;A&#8221; text) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.03.0010%3Ascene%3D3#:~:text=Fau.%0AWhere,of%20everlasting%20bliss%3F" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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The 1594 (1616) "B" text has the <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.03.0011%3Aact%3D1%3Ascene%3D3#:~:text=Faust.%0AWhere,of%20everlasting%20bliss%3F">same dialog</a> (l. 299ff).
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		<title>Marlowe, Christopher -- The Tragicall History of the Life and Death of Doctor Faustus, Act 1, sc. 1 (sc.  1), l.  76ff (1594; 1604 &#8220;A&#8221; text)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[FAUSTUS: What doctrine call you this, Che sera, sera: What will be, shall be? Divinity, adieu! Giving up on Christian doctrine, since it teaches that all are sinful, and that sinfulness condemns one to death and damnation. (Faustus ignores the ideas of repentance and salvation.) These lines show up as well in the 1616 &#8220;B&#8221; [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">FAUSTUS: What doctrine call you this, <i>Che sera, sera:</i><br />
What will be, shall be? Divinity, adieu!</p>
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<br><b>Christopher "Kit" Marlowe</b> (1564-1593) English dramatist and poet<br><i>The Tragicall History of the Life and Death of Doctor Faustus</i>, Act 1, sc. 1 (sc.  1), l.  76ff (1594; 1604 &#8220;A&#8221; text) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.03.0010&redirect=true#:~:text=What%20doctrine%20call%20you%20this%2C%20Che%20sera%2C%20sera%3A%0AWhat%20will%20be%2C%20shall%20be%3F%20Divinity%2C%20adieu." target="_blank">Source</a>)
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Giving up on Christian doctrine, since it teaches that all are sinful, and that sinfulness condemns one to death and damnation. (Faustus ignores the ideas of repentance and salvation.)<br><br>

These lines show up as well in the <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.03.0011%3Aact%3D1%3Ascene%3D1#:~:text=What%20doctrine%20call,Divinity%2C%20adieu.">1616 "B" text</a> (ll. 75-76).<br><br>

This is one of the earliest mentions of the phrase <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Que_Sera,_Sera_(Whatever_Will_Be,_Will_Be)#Title_phrase"><em>che sarà sarà,</em></a> which shows up first as a 16th Century English heraldic motto.
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		<title>Shakespeare, William -- Richard II, Act 5, sc. 1, l. 110 (5.1.110) (1595)</title>
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<br><b>William Shakespeare</b> (1564-1616) English dramatist and poet<br><i>Richard II</i>, Act 5, sc. 1, l. 110 (5.1.110) (1595) 
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Killing one of his would-be assassins with the killer's own weapon.


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		<description><![CDATA[The instant we admit that a book is too sacred to be doubted, or even reasoned about, we are mental serfs. It is infinitely absurd to suppose that a god would address a communication to intelligent beings, and yet make it a crime, to be punished in eternal flames, for them to use their intelligence [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The instant we admit that a book is too sacred to be doubted, or even reasoned about, we are mental serfs. It is infinitely absurd to suppose that a god would address a communication to intelligent beings, and yet make it a crime, to be punished in eternal flames, for them to use their intelligence for the purpose of understanding his communication. If we have the right to use our reason, we certainly have the right to act in accordance with it, and no god can have the right to punish us for such action.</p>
<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833-1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>Lecture (1872-01-29), &#8220;The Gods,&#8221; Fairbury Hall, Fairbury, Illinois 
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First given on the 135th birthday of Thomas Paine. <a href="https://archive.org/details/godsotherlectu00inge/page/14/mode/2up?q=%22the+instant+we+admit%22">Collected</a> in <i>The Gods and Other Lectures</i> (1876).

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		<description><![CDATA[Strange! that no one has ever been persecuted by the church for believing God bad, while hundreds of millions have been destroyed for thinking him good. The orthodox church never will forgive the Universalist for saying &#8220;God is love.&#8221; It has always been considered as one of the very highest evidences of true and undefiled [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strange! that no one has ever been persecuted by the church for believing God bad, while hundreds of millions have been destroyed for thinking him good. The orthodox church never will forgive the Universalist for saying &#8220;God is love.&#8221; It has always been considered as one of the very highest evidences of true and undefiled religion to insist that all men, women and children deserve eternal damnation. It has always been heresy to say, &#8220;God will at last save all.&#8221;</p>
<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833-1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>Lecture (1872-01-29), &#8220;The Gods,&#8221; Fairbury Hall, Fairbury, Illinois 
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First given on the 135th birthday of Thomas Paine. <a href="https://archive.org/details/godsotherlectu00inge/page/14/mode/2up?q=%22strange+that+no+one%22">Collected</a> in <i>The Gods and Other Lectures</i> (1876).						</span>
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		<description><![CDATA[Writing is a sweet and marvelous reward, but a reward for what? In the course of the night it became clear to me, as plain as a children&#8217;s show-and-tell lesson, that it is a reward for serving the devil. This descent down to the dark powers, this unleashing of ghosts by nature bound, these questionable [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Writing is a sweet and marvelous reward, but a reward for what? In the course of the night it became clear to me, as plain as a children&#8217;s show-and-tell lesson, that it is a reward for serving the devil. This descent down to the dark powers, this unleashing of ghosts by nature bound, these questionable embraces and whatever else may be going on down there, none of it remembered as one writes stories in the sunlight up above. Perhaps there are also different ways of writing, but I only know this one; at night, when fear keeps me from sleeping, I only know this one. </p>
<br><b>Franz Kafka</b> (1883-1924) Czech-Austrian Jewish writer<br>Letter (1922-07-05) to Max Brod 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But thou who settest in the way a snare,<br />
With threats of hell for all who stumble there,<br />
<span class="tab">Almighty Spirit, whom the spheres obey,<br />
Is mine the sin, or Thine the greater share?<br />
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<br><b>Omar Khayyám </b> (1048-1123) Persian poet, mathematician, philosopher, astronomer [عمر خیام]<br><i>Rubáiyát</i> [رباعیات], Bod. # 148 [tr. Roe (1906), # 73] 
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(<a href="https://rubaiyatconcordance.org/the-bodleian-quatrains/bodleian-quatrain-nr-148.html">Source (Persian)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>Oh Thou who didst with Pitfall and with Gin<br>
Beset the Road I was to wander in,<br>
<span class="tab">Thou wilt not with Predestination round<br>
Enmesh me, and impute my Fall to Sin?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Rubaiyat_of_Omar_Khayyam_(tr._Fitzgerald,_1st_edition)/The_Rubaiyat_of_Omar_Khayyam#:~:text=Oh%20Thou%20who,Fall%20to%20Sin%3F">FitzGerald</a>, 1st ed. (1859), # 57] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Oh Thou, who didst with pitfall and with gin<br>
Beset the Road I was to wander in,<br>
<span class="tab">Thou wilt not with Predestin'd Evil round<br>
Enmesh, and then impute my Fall to Sin?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Rubaiyat_of_Omar_Khayyam_(tr._Fitzgerald,_2nd_edition)#:~:text=Oh%20Thou%2C%20who%20didst%20with%20pitfall%20and%20with%20gin%0ABeset%20the%20Road%20I%20was%20to%20wander%20in%2C%0AThou%20wilt%20not%20with%20Predestin%27d%20Evil%20round%0AEnmesh%2C%20and%20then%20impute%20my%20Fall%20to%20Sin%3F">FitzGerald</a>, 2nd ed. (1868), # 87]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Oh Thou, who didst with pitfall and with gin<br>
Beset the Road I was to wander in,<br>
<span class="tab">Thou wilt not with Predestin'd Evil round<br>
Enmesh, and then impute my Fall to Sin!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Rubaiyat_of_Omar_Khayyam_(tr._Fitzgerald,_3rd_edition)#:~:text=Oh%20Thou%2C%20who%20didst%20with%20pitfall%20and%20with%20gin%0ABeset%20the%20Road%20I%20was%20to%20wander%20in%2C%0AThou%20wilt%20not%20with%20Predestin%27d%20Evil%20round%0AEnmesh%2C%20and%20then%20impute%20my%20Fall%20to%20Sin!">FitzGerald, 3rd ed.</a> (1872), # 80; <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Rubaiyat_of_Omar_Khayyam_(tr._Fitzgerald,_4th_edition)#:~:text=Oh%20Thou%2C%20who%20didst%20with%20pitfall%20and%20with%20gin%0A%C2%A0Beset%20the%20Road%20I%20was%20to%20wander%20in%2C%0A%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0Thou%20wilt%20not%20with%20Predestin%27d%20Evil%20round%0A%C2%A0Enmesh%2C%20and%20then%20impute%20my%20Fall%20to%20Sin!">4th ed.</a> (1879); <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Rubaiyat_of_Omar_Khayyam_(tr._Fitzgerald,_5th_edition)#:~:text=Oh%20Thou%2C%20who%20didst%20with%20pitfall%20and%20with%20gin%0A%C2%A0Beset%20the%20Road%20I%20was%20to%20wander%20in%2C%0A%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0Thou%20wilt%20not%20with%20Predestined%20Evil%20round%0A%C2%A0Enmesh%2C%20and%20then%20impute%20my%20Fall%20to%20Sin!">5th ed.</a> (1889)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Thou settest snares around us manifold, and sayest, "Death to ye, if ye enter therein." Thou layest the lures Thyself, and then givest over Thy victim to doom.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/rubiytofomark00omar/page/120/mode/2up?q=%22settest+snares%22">McCarthy</a> (1879), # 296] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Thou dost with frequent snare beset the way<br>
The pilgrim's wandering footsteps to betray,<br>
<span class="tab">And all poor wretches tangled in thy snares<br>
Dost seize as prisoners and as rebels slay.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/rubaiyatofomarkh01omar/page/156/mode/2up?q=%22frequent+snare%22">Winfield</a> (1882), # 224]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>With many a snare Thou dost beset my way,<br>
And threatenest, if I fall therein, to slay;<br>
<span class="tab">Thy rule resistless sways the world, yet Thou<br>
Imputest sin, when I do but obey!<br>
[tr. Whinfield (1883), # <a href="https://archive.org/details/rubiytofomark00omar/page/216/mode/2up?q=%22With+many+a+snare%22">243</a> or <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Quatrains_of_Omar_Khayyam_(tr._Whinfield,_1883)/Quatrains_401-500#:~:text=With%20many%20a%20snare%20Thou%20dost%20beset%20my%20way%2C%0AAnd%20threatenest%2C%20if%20I%20fall%20therein%2C%20to%20slay%3B%0A%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0Thy%20rule%20resistless%20sways%20the%20world%2C%20yet%20Thou%0AImputest%20sin%2C%20when%20I%20do%20but%20obey!">432</a>]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Thou hast prepared a Way with many a Snare, <br>
And set with many a Prize to lure us there, <br>
<span class="tab">And still, Oh God, 'tis said, Thou wilt not spare, <br>
The Man whose Foot-steps stumble unaware.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/rubaiyatofomarkh01omar/page/156/mode/2up?q=%22prepared+a+way%22">Garner</a> (1887), 2.3] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Thou hast prepared a way with many a snare<br>
And decked with many a prize to lure us there.<br>
<span class="tab">And yet. Oh, God, 'tis said Thou wilt not spare<br>
The man whose footsteps stumble unaware.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://rubaiyatconcordance.org/translations/garner---1898.html#:~:text=Thou%20hast%20prepared%20a%20way%20with%20many%20a%20snare%0AAnd%20decked%20with%20many%20a%20prize%20to%20lure%20us%20there.%0AAnd%20yet.%20Oh%2C%20God%2C%20%27tis%20said%20Thou%20wilt%20not%20spare%0AThe%20man%20whose%20footsteps%20stumble%20unaware.">Garner</a> (1898), # 87]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>An hundred thousand snares my path within Thou settest<br>
And "Thee," quoth Thou, "I'll slay, if foot therein thou settest."<br>
<span class="tab">'Tis Thou that sett'st the snares; and whoso in them falleth<br>
Thou slay'st and on his name the brand of sin Thou settest!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://rubaiyatconcordance.org/translations/payne---1898.html#:~:text=An%20hundred%20thousand%20snares%20my%20path%20within%20Thou%20settest%0AAnd%20%22Thee%2C%27%27%20quoth%20Thou%2C%20%22I%27ll%20slay%2C%20if%20foot%20therein%20thou%20settest.%22%0A%27T%20is%20Thou%20that%20sett%27st%20the%20snares%3B%20and%20whoso%20in%20them%20falleth%0AThou%20slay%27st%20and%20on%20his%20name%20the%20brand%20of%20sin%20Thou%20settest!">Payne</a> (1898), # 822]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>In a thousand places on the road I walk, Thou placest snares, <br>
Thou sayest, "I will catch thee if thou placest step in them"; <br>
<span class="tab">in no smallest thing is the world independent of Thee, <br>
Thou orderest all things, and callest me rebellious.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/proseandverse_heronallen_talbot_rubaiyatofomarkhayyam_text/page/n43/mode/2up?q=%22thousand+places%22">Heron-Allen</a> (1898), # 148]  </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>A thousand snares Thou settest in my way,<br>
And threatenest if I step therein to slay;<br>
<span class="tab">Thou mak'st Thy law and me dost rebel call,<br>
Though nowise is the world free from Thy sway!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://rubaiyatconcordance.org/translations/thompson---1906.html#:~:text=A%20thousand%20snares%20Thou%20settest%20in%20my%20way%2C%0AAnd%20threatenest%20if%20I%20step%20therein%20to%20slay%3B%0AThou%20mak%27st%20Thy%20law%20and%20me%20dost%20rebel%20call%2C%0AThough%20nowise%20is%20the%20world%20free%20from%20Thy%20sway!">Thompson</a> (1906), # 539]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>In every step I take Thou sett'st a snare,<br>
Saying, "Thus will I entrap thee, so beware!" <br>
<span class="tab">And, while all things are under Thy command,<br>
That I a rebel am Thou dost declare.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/proseandverse_heronallen_talbot_rubaiyatofomarkhayyam_text/page/n43/mode/2up?q=%22In+every+step%22">Talbot</a> (1908), # 148]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>You lay your snares around our ear and eye,<br>
And warn us not to step in, lest we die;<br>
<span class="tab">Thus snares you lay, if therein one but strays,<br>
You catch and kill him saying "Sinner fie!"<br>
[tr. <a href="https://rubaiyatconcordance.org/translations/tirtha---1941.html#:~:text=You%20lay%20your%20snares%20around%20our%20ear%20and%20eye%2C%0AAnd%20warn%20us%20not%20to%20step%20in%2C%20lest%20we%20die%27%3B%0AThus%20snares%20you%20lay%2C%20if%20therein%20one%20but%20strays%2C%0AYou%20catch%20and%20kill%20him%20saying%20%22Sinner%20fie!%22">Tirtha</a> (1941), # 11.9]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>On every path I take, Your snares are spread<br>
To entrap me, should I walk without due care.<br>
<span class="tab">Utter extremes acknowledge Your vast sway.<br>
You order all things -- yet You call me rebel?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/originalrubaiyya00omar/page/70/mode/2up?q=%22On+every+path+I+take%22">Graves & Ali-Shah</a> (1967), # 85]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O Life, you put many traps in my way<br>
Dare to try, is what you clearly say<br>
<span class="tab">All that is, thy command must obey<br>
You lead me away and call me astray.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.okonlife.com/poems/page4.htm#:~:text=O%20Life%2C%20you%20put%20many%20traps%20in%20my%20way%0ADare%20to%20try%2C%20is%20what%20you%20clearly%20say%0AAll%20that%20is%2C%20thy%20command%20must%20obey%0AYou%20lead%20me%20away%20and%20call%20me%20astray.">Shahriari</a> (1998)]</blockquote><br>

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		<title>Ingersoll, Robert Green -- Lecture (1874-05-03), &#8220;Heretics and Heresies,&#8221; Free Religious Society, Kingsbury Hall, Chicago</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who can estimate the misery that has been caused by this most infamous doctrine of eternal punishment? Think of the lives it has blighted &#8212; of the tears it has caused &#8212; of the agony it has produced. Think of the millions who have been driven to insanity by this most terrible of dogmas. This [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who can estimate the misery that has been caused by this most infamous doctrine of eternal punishment? Think of the lives it has blighted &#8212; of the tears it has caused &#8212; of the agony it has produced. Think of the millions who have been driven to insanity by this most terrible of dogmas. This doctrine renders God the basest and most cruel being in the universe. Compared with him, the most frightful deities of the most barbarous and degraded tribes are miracles of goodness and mercy. There is nothing more degrading than to worship such a god. Lower than this the soul can never sink. If the doctrine of eternal damnation is true, let me share the fate of the unconverted; let me have my portion in hell, rather than in heaven with a god infamous enough to inflict eternal misery upon any of the sons of men.</p>
<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833-1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>Lecture (1874-05-03), &#8220;Heretics and Heresies,&#8221; Free Religious Society, Kingsbury Hall, Chicago 
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Collected in <i>The Gods and Other Lectures</i> (1876).



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		<title>Roth, Philip -- In &#8220;Works in Progress,&#8221; The New York Times Book Review (1979-07-15)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The road to hell is paved with works-in-progress. </p>
<br><b>Philip Roth</b> (1933-2008) American novelist and short-story writer<br>In &#8220;Works in Progress,&#8221; <i>The New York Times Book Review</i> (1979-07-15) 
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		<title>Omar Khayyam -- Rubáiyát [رباعیات], Cal. #  26 [tr. Whinfield (1883), # 100]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[When Allah mixed my clay, He knew full well My future acts, and could each one foretell; Without His will no act of mine was wrought; Is it then just to punish me in hell? This quatrain is in the Calcutta manuscript, but not the Bodleian. Alternate translations: What! out of senseless Nothing to provoke [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Allah mixed my clay, He knew full well<br />
My future acts, and could each one foretell;<br />
<span class="tab">Without His will no act of mine was wrought;<br />
Is it then just to punish me in hell?</span></p>
<br><b>Omar Khayyám </b> (1048-1123) Persian poet, mathematician, philosopher, astronomer [عمر خیام]<br><i>Rubáiyát</i> [رباعیات], Cal. #  26 [tr. Whinfield (1883), # 100] 
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This quatrain is in the Calcutta manuscript, but not the Bodleian.<br><br>

Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>What! out of senseless Nothing to provoke<br>
A conscious Something to resent the yoke<br>
<span class="tab">Of unpermitted Pleasure, under pain<br>
Of Everlasting Penalties, if broke!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Rubaiyat_of_Omar_Khayyam_(tr._Fitzgerald,_2nd_edition)#:~:text=What!%20out%20of%20senseless%20Nothing%20to%20provoke%0AA%20conscious%20Something%20to%20resent%20the%20yoke%0AOf%20unpermitted%20Pleasure%2C%20under%20pain%0AOf%20Everlasting%20Penalties%2C%20if%20broke!">FitzGerald, 2nd ed.</a> (1868), # 84; # 78 for <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Rubaiyat_of_Omar_Khayyam_(tr._Fitzgerald,_3rd_edition)#:~:text=What!%20out%20of%20senseless%20Nothing%20to%20provoke%0AA%20conscious%20Something%20to%20resent%20the%20yoke%0AOf%20unpermitted%20Pleasure%2C%20under%20pain%0AOf%20Everlasting%20Penalties%2C%20if%20broke!">3rd</a>, <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Rubaiyat_of_Omar_Khayyam_(tr._Fitzgerald,_4th_edition)#:~:text=What!%20out%20of%20senseless%20Nothing%20to%20provoke%0A%C2%A0A%20conscious%20Something%20to%20resent%20the%20yoke%0A%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0Of%20unpermitted%20Pleasure%2C%20under%20pain%0A%C2%A0Of%20Everlasting%20Penalties%2C%20if%20broke!">4th</a>, and <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Rubaiyat_of_Omar_Khayyam_(tr._Fitzgerald,_5th_edition)#:~:text=%C2%A0What!%20out%20of%20senseless%20Nothing%20to%20provoke%0A%C2%A0A%20conscious%20Something%20to%20resent%20the%20yoke%0A%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0Of%20unpermitted%20Pleasure%2C%20under%20pain%0A%C2%A0Of%20Everlasting%20Penalties%2C%20if%20broke!">5th</a> editions]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>When God built up my body out of clay, he knew beforehand the fruit of all my deeds. It is not in defiance of his will that I a sinner have sinned. Why then for me does nether hell await?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/rubaiyatofomarkh01omar/page/152/mode/2up?q=%22When+God+built+up+my+body%22">McCarthy</a> (1879), # 112] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>When Allah mixed my clay, He knew full well<br>
My future acts, and could each one foretell;<br>
<span class="tab">'Twas he who did my sins predestinate,<br>
Yet thinks it just to punish me in hell.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/rubaiyatofomarkh01omar/page/150/mode/2up?q=%22last+two+lines+of+Whinfield%22">Whinfield</a> (1882), # 46]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>'Twas Allah who engraved upon my Clay<br>
The Laws I was thereafter to obey, <br>
<span class="tab">And will He cast me into Raging Fire, <br>
Because my Actions answer to His Sway?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/rubaiyatofomarkh01omar/page/152/mode/2up?q=%22%27Tvvas+Allah+who+engraved%22">Garner</a> (1887), 4.5]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Almighty Potter, on whose wheel of blue<br>
The world is fashioned and is broken too,<br>
<span class="tab">Why to the race of men is heaven so dire?<br>
In what, O wheel, have I offended you?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Rub%C3%A1iy%C3%A1t_of_Omar_Khayy%C3%A1m_(Le_Gallienne)/Rub%C3%A1iy%C3%A1t_of_Omar_Khayy%C3%A1m#:~:text=Almighty%20Potter%2C%20on%20whose%20wheel%20of%20blue%0AThe%20world%20is%20fashioned%20and%20is%20broken%20too%2C%0AWhy%20to%20the%20race%20of%20men%20is%20heaven%20so%20dire%3F%0AIn%20what%2C%20O%20wheel%2C%20have%20I%20offended%20you%3F">Le Gallienne</a> (1897)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>God, when He mixed and moulded our being's clay,<br>
Had e'en foreknowledge of all we should do and say;<br>
<span class="tab">Without His order no sin of mine was aye;<br>
Then why should He doom me to burn on the Judgment Day?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://rubaiyatconcordance.org/the-calcutta-quatrains/translations-1---100/nr-26.html#:~:text=God%2C%20when%20He%20mixed%20and%20moulded%20our%20being%27s%20clay%2C%0AHad%20e%27en%20foreknowledge%20of%20all%20we%20should%20do%20and%20say%3B%0AWithout%20His%20order%20no%20sin%20of%20mine%20was%20aye%3B%0AThen%20why%20should%20He%20doom%20me%20to%20burn%20on%20the%20Judgment%20Day%3F">Payne</a> (1898), # 190]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>God, when he fashioned the clay of my body<br>
Knew by my making what would come from it<br>
<span class="tab">(Since) there is no sin of mine without his knowledge<br>
Why should he seek to burn me at the day of resurrection?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://rubaiyatconcordance.org/the-calcutta-manuscript/heron-allens-translation/index.html#:~:text=God%2C%20when%20he%20fashioned%20the%20clay%20of%20my%20body%0AKnew%20by%20my%20making%20what%20would%20come%20from%20it%0A(Since)%20there%20is%20no%20sin%20of%20mine%20without%20his%20knowledge%0AWhy%20should%20he%20seek%20to%20burn%20me%20at%20the%20day%20of%20resurrection%3F">Heron-Allen</a> (1897), "# 26=85" Calcutta] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>God, when he fashioned the clay of my body,<br>
Knew by my making what would come of it;<br>
<span class="tab">(Since) there is no sin of mine without his order<br>
Why should he seek to burn me at the Day of Resurrection?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://rubaiyatconcordance.org/the-calcutta-manuscript/heron-allens-translation/index.html#:~:text=God%2C%20when%20he%20fashioned%20the%20clay%20of%20my%20body%0AKnew%20by%20my%20making%20what%20would%20come%20from%20it%0A(Since)%20there%20is%20no%20sin%20of%20mine%20without%20his%20knowledge%0AWhy%20should%20he%20seek%20to%20burn%20me%20at%20the%20day%20of%20resurrection%3F">Heron-Allen</a> (1899), #78a, Calcutta]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>When God of our existence shaped the clay.<br>
He knew our actions would be as His sway;<br>
<span class="tab">Without His mandate was no sin of mine,<br>
Then why doom me to burn on Judgment Day?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://rubaiyatconcordance.org/the-calcutta-quatrains/translations-1---100/nr-26.html#:~:text=When%20God%20of%20our%20existence%20shaped%20the%20clay.%0AHe%20knew%20our%20actions%20would%20be%20as%20His%20sway%3B%0AWithout%20His%20mandate%20was%20no%20sin%20of%20mine%2C%0AThen%20why%20doom%20me%20to%20burn%20on%20Judgment%20Day%3F">Thompson</a> (1906), # 148]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>When, bending low, God moulded me from clay,<br>
Incontrovertibly my life was ordered:<br>
Without his order I abstain from crime.<br>
Why should I burn, then, on His Judgement Day?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/originalrubaiyya00omar/page/68/mode/2up?q=%22bending+low%22">Graves & Ali-Shah</a> (1967), # 82]</blockquote><br>

 


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		<title>Dante Alighieri -- The Divine Comedy [Divina Commedia], Book 3 &#8220;Paradiso,&#8221; Canto 13, l. 139ff (13.139-142) [Thomas Aquinas] (1320) [tr. Ciardi (1970)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let Tom and Jane not think, because they see one man is picking pockets and another is offering all his goods to charity, that they can judge their neighbors with God&#8217;s eyes: for the pious man may fall, and the thief may rise. [Non creda donna Berta e ser Martino, per vedere un furare, altro [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let Tom and Jane not think, because they see<br />
<span class="tab">one man is picking pockets and another<br />
<span class="tab">is offering all his goods to charity,<br />
that they can judge their neighbors with God&#8217;s eyes:<br />
for the pious man may fall, and the thief may rise.</p>
<p><em>[Non creda donna Berta e ser Martino,<br />
<span class="tab">per vedere un furare, altro offerere,<br />
<span class="tab">vederli dentro al consiglio divino;<br />
ché quel può surgere, e quel può cadere.]</span></span></em></span></span></p>
<br><b>Dante Alighieri</b> (1265-1321) Italian poet<br><i>The Divine Comedy [Divina Commedia]</i>, Book 3 <i>&#8220;Paradiso,&#8221;</i> Canto 13, l. 139ff (13.139-142) [Thomas Aquinas] (1320) [tr. Ciardi (1970)] 
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<em>Berta</em> and <em>Martino</em> were common names in Dante's era, and stand in for "ordinary people" (with a sarcastic hint of pretension by giving them minor titles). Most translators use a straight translation of the names to <em>Bertha</em> and <em>Martin;</em> others change them to something more modern to reflect their everyman status.<br><br>

(<a href="https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Divina_Commedia/Paradiso/Canto_XIII#:~:text=Non%20creda%20donna,quel%20pu%C3%B2%20cadere">Source (Italian)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">The pious man <br>
May fail ; the Penitent, altho' by spoil <br>
<span class="tab">He liv'd, may purchase Heav'n by arduous toil<br>
<span class="tab">Ere death: it is not our's their fate to scan.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinacommediaof03dantuoft/page/164/mode/2up?q=%22the+pious+man%22">Boyd</a> (1802), st. 24]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Seeing one steal,<br>
Another bring, his offering to the priest,<br>
<span class="tab">Let not Dame Bertha and Sir Martin thence<br>
<span class="tab">Into heav’n’s counsels deem that they can pry:<br>
For one of these may rise, the other fall.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/8799/8799-h/8799-h.htm#cantoIII.13:~:text=seeing%20one%20steal%2C%0AAnother%20brine%2C%20his%20offering%20to%20the%20priest%2C%0ALet%20not%20Dame%20Birtha%20and%20Sir%20Martin%20thence%0AInto%20heav%E2%80%99n%E2%80%99s%20counsels%20deem%20that%20they%20can%20pry%3A%0AFor%20one%20of%20these%20may%20rise%2C%20the%20other%20fall.">Cary</a> (1814)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let not Nun Bertha and Saint Martin try,<br>
<span class="tab">Seeing one offer, and another steal,<br>
<span class="tab">The counsel of the heaven from that to tell:<br>
For this may rise again, and that may fall.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/comedyofdanteal00dant/page/384/mode/2up?q=%22nun+bertha%22">Bannerman</a> (1850)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let not Dame Bertha nor Ser Martin think,<br>
<span class="tab">Seeing one steal, another offering make,<br>
<span class="tab">To see them in the arbitrament divine;<br>
For one may rise, and fall the other may.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Divine_Comedy_(Longfellow_1867)/Volume_3/Canto_13#:~:text=Let%20not%20Dame%20Bertha%20nor%20Ser%20Martin%20think%2C%0A%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0Seeing%20one%20steal%2C%20another%20offering%20make%2C%0A%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0To%20see%20them%20in%20the%20arbitrament%20divine%3B%0A%0AFor%20one%20may%20rise%2C%20and%20fall%20the%20other%20may.">Longfellow</a> (1867)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let not Dame Bertha and Master Martin deem, for seeing one steal, another make offerings, that they are seeing them within the Divine counsel; for that one may be exalted and this may fall.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/paradisedanteal00aliggoog/page/n202/mode/2up?q=%22dame+bertha%22">Butler</a> (1885)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let not Dame Bertha nor Sir Martin deem,<br>
<span class="tab">Because they see one rob, another pray,<br>
<span class="tab">That they can pry within the will supreme; <br>
For one can rise, and one can fall away.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedyofda00dantrich/page/312/mode/2up?q=%22dame+bertha%22">Minchin</a> (1885)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let not dame Bertha and master Martin, seeing one rob, and another make offering, believe to see them within the Divine counsel: for the one may rise and the other may fall.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1997/1997-h/1997-h.htm#cantoIII.XIII:~:text=Let%20not%20dame%20Bertha%20and%20master%20Martin%2C%20seeing%20one%20rob%2C%20and%20another%20make%20offering%2C%20believe%20to%20see%20them%20within%20the%20Divine%20counsel%3A%5B10%5D%20for%20the%20one%20may%20rise%20and%20the%20other%20may%20fall.">Norton</a> (1892)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let not Dame Bertha or Squire Martin think, if they perceive one steal and one make offering, they therefore see them as in the divine counsel; for the one yet may rise and the other fall.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/paradisoofdante00dant/page/164/mode/2up?q=bertha">Wicksteed</a> (1899)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let not Dame Bertha and Master Martin, when they see one rob and another make an offering, think they see them within the divine counsel; for the one may rise and the other fall.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedyofda0000dant/page/194/mode/2up?q=%22dame+bertha%22">Sinclair</a> (1939)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let no Dame Bertha or Sir Martin deem, <br>
<span class="tab">Because they see one steal and one give all, <br>
<span class="tab">They see as divine forethought seéth them; <br>
For the one yet may rise and the other fall.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/dantesparadisowi0000laur/page/154/mode/2up?q=%22dame+bertha%22">Binyon</a> (1943)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let Jack and Jill not think they see so far<br>
<span class="tab">That, seeing this man pious, that a thief,<br>
<span class="tab">They see them such as in God's sight they are,<br>
For one may rise, the other come to grief.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/comedyofdanteali0000dant/page/172/mode/2up?q=%22let+jack+and+jill%22">Sayers/Reynolds</a> (1962)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let not dame Bertha and squire Martin, if they see one steal and one make offering, believe to see them within the Divine Counsel: for the one may rise and the other may fall.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Divine_Comedy_III_Paradiso_Vol_III_P/4Q48EAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=let%20bertha">Singleton</a> (1975)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let not every Bertha and Martin think <br>
<span class="tab">Because they see one a thief, another respectable, <br>
<span class="tab">That they see how they are in the eyes of God; <br>
For one may rise, and the other one may fall.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedy0000dant/page/408/mode/2up?q=%22let+not+every+bertha%22">Sisson</a> (1981)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let not Dame Bertha or Master Martin think <br>
<span class="tab">that they have shared God’s Counsel when they see <br>
<span class="tab">one rob and see another who donates:<br>
the last may fall, the other may be saved.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/paradiso0000dant_k1w9/page/116/mode/2up?q=%22let+not+dame+bertha%22">Mandelbaum</a> (1984)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No Mr. or Miss Know-It-All should think, <br>
<span class="tab">when they see one man steal and one give alms <br>
<span class="tab">that they are seeing them through God's own eyes,<br>
for one may yet rise up, the other fall.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/dantesparadise0000dant/page/162/mode/2up?q=%22know-it-all%22">Musa</a> (1984)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">Let not dame Bertha and messer Martin believe, because they see one stealing, another offering, that they see them within God’s counsel,<br>
<span class="tab">for that one can rise up, and this one can fall.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedyofda0000dant_e4e9/page/272/mode/2up?q=%22let+not+dame+bertha%22">Durling</a> (2011)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Do not let Jack and Jill think, that if they see someone steal or another make offering they therefore see them as Divine Wisdom does, since the one may still rise, and the other fall.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Italian/DantPar8to14.php#:~:text=Do%20not%20let%20Jack%20and%20Jill%20think%2C%20that%20if%20they%20see%20someone%20steal%20or%20another%20make%20offering%20they%20therefore%20see%20them%20as%20Divine%20Wisdom%20does%2C%20since%20the%20one%20may%20still%20rise%2C%20and%20the%20other%20fall.">Kline</a> (2002)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>And so when Mrs Smith and Mr Jones <br>
<span class="tab">see one man steal, another offer alms, <br>
<span class="tab">don’t let them think they see this in God’s plan. <br>
The thief may rise, the other take a fall.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedy3par0000dant/page/128/mode/2up?q=%22may+rise%22">Kirkpatrick</a> (2007)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let not Dame Bertha and Master Martin,<br>
<span class="tab">when they see one steal and another offer alms,<br>
<span class="tab">think that they behold them with God's wisdom,<br>
for the first may still rise up, the other fall.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://dante.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/dante/campuscgi/mpb/GetCantoSection.pl?INP_POEM=Par&INP_SECT=13&INP_START=139&INP_LEN=4&LANG=0">Hollander/Hollander</a> (2007)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let not Mrs. Judy and Mister John,<br>
<span class="tab">Seeing one man steal but another before<br>
<span class="tab">The altar with offerings, think one is sinful, <br>
<span class="tab">The other's in Heaven -- for people rise and fall.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Divine_Comedy/WZyBj-s9PfsC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22mrs.%20judy%22">Raffel</a> (2010)] </blockquote><br>
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		<description><![CDATA[Men should not be too smug in their own reason; only a foolish man will walk his field and count his ears too early in the season; for I have seen a briar through winter&#8217;s snows rattle its tough and menacing bare stems, and then, in season, open its pale rose. and I have seen [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Men should not be too smug in their own reason;<br />
<span class="tab">only a foolish man will walk his field<br />
<span class="tab">and count his ears too early in the season;<br />
for I have seen a briar through winter&#8217;s snows<br />
<span class="tab">rattle its tough and menacing bare stems,<br />
<span class="tab">and then, in season, open its pale rose.<br />
and I have seen a ship cross all the main,<br />
<span class="tab">true to its course and swift, and then go down<br />
<span class="tab">just as it entered its home port again.</p>
<p><em>[Non sien le genti, ancor, troppo sicure<br />
<span class="tab">a giudicar, sì come quei che stima<br />
<span class="tab">le biade in campo pria che sien mature;<br />
ch’i’ ho veduto tutto ’l verno prima<br />
<span class="tab">lo prun mostrarsi rigido e feroce,<br />
<span class="tab">poscia portar la rosa in su la cima;<br />
e legno vidi già dritto e veloce<br />
<span class="tab">correr lo mar per tutto suo cammino,<br />
<span class="tab">perire al fine a l’intrar de la foce.]</span></span></span></span></span></span></em></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<br><b>Dante Alighieri</b> (1265-1321) Italian poet<br><i>The Divine Comedy [Divina Commedia]</i>, Book 3 <i>&#8220;Paradiso,&#8221;</i> Canto 13, l. 130ff (13.130-138) [Thomas Aquinas] (1320) [tr. Ciardi (1970)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/paradisoverseren00dant/page/n155/mode/2up?view=theater&q=%22men+should+not+be%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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(<a href="https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Divina_Commedia/Paradiso/Canto_XIII#:~:text=Non%20sien%20le,de%20la%20foce.">Source (Italian)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>Let none presume to fix <i>his</i> final state,<br>
Or on such awful question hold debate;<br>
<span class="tab">Oft have I seen the vernal stem beguile<br>
The reaper's hand: and oft the rigid thorn,<br>
That to the blast of winter waves forlorn,<br>
<span class="tab">In June with rosy wreath is seen to smile.<br>
Oft-times the bark that feuds with prosp'rous gale <br>
Thro' the dividing waves with flowing sail.<br>
<span class="tab">Yet sinks in view of port, the pious man <br>
May fail.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinacommediaof03dantuoft/page/164/mode/2up?q=%22Let+none+prefume%22">Boyd</a> (1802), st. 23-24]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let not the people be too swift to judge,<br>
As one who reckons on the blades in field,<br>
Or ere the crop be ripe. For I have seen<br>
The thorn frown rudely all the winter long<br>
And after bear the rose upon its top;<br>
And bark, that all the way across the sea<br>
Ran straight and speedy, perish at the last,<br>
E’en in the haven’s mouth.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/8799/8799-h/8799-h.htm#cantoIII.13:~:text=Let%20not%20the,the%20haven%E2%80%99s%20mouth">Cary</a> (1814)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let not the people be too swift to judge,<br>
<span class="tab">Like one who looks upon the springing blade,<br>
<span class="tab">As if the harvest were already made.<br>
For I have seen, the whole of winter long,<br>
<span class="tab">The thorn look rude and rough, and bare at top,<br>
<span class="tab">And after show the rose's reddening cup;<br>
And seen the bark, already swift direct<br>
<span class="tab">Across the sea, in all its journey's way,<br>
<span class="tab">Perish at last when entering in the bay.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/comedyofdanteal00dant/page/384/mode/2up?q=%22let+not+the+people%22">Bannerman</a> (1850)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Nor yet shall people be too confident<br>
<span class="tab">In judging, even as he is who doth count<br>
<span class="tab">The corn in field or ever it be ripe.<br>
For I have seen all winter long the thorn<br>
<span class="tab">First show itself intractable and fierce,<br>
<span class="tab">And after bear the rose upon its top;<br>
And I have seen a ship direct and swift<br>
<span class="tab">Run o'er the sea throughout its course entire,<br>
<span class="tab">To perish at the harbour's mouth at last.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Divine_Comedy_(Longfellow_1867)/Volume_3/Canto_13#:~:text=Nor%20yet%20shall,mouth%20at%20last.">Longfellow</a> (1867)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let not the folk be yet too secure at judging, like him who values the corn in a field before it is ripe; for I have seen all winter long the plum-tree at first show itself rigid and stern, and afterward bear blossoms on its top ; and I saw on a time a craft trim and swift to sail the sea for its whole course, perish at the last in the entering of the sound.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/paradisedanteal00aliggoog/page/n200/mode/2up?q=%22Let+not+the+folk+be+yet%22">Butler</a> (1885)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let not the people think themselves elected<br>
<span class="tab">To judge like one who counteth on the corn<br>
<span class="tab">Within his field ere it be ripe. <br>
Dejected I have beheld through winter time a thorn<br>
<span class="tab">Its rude repelling aspect show, and bear<br>
<span class="tab">After a rose, upon its top forlorn.<br>
And I have seen a vessel swiftly steer<br>
<span class="tab">Through all its voyage across the ocean stream.<br>
<span class="tab">Perish at last, the harbour's entrance near.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedyofda00dantrich/page/312/mode/2up?q=%22Let+not+the+people%22">Minchin</a> (1885)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let not the people still be too secure in judgment, like him who reckons up the blades in the field ere they are ripe. For I have seen the briar first show itself stiff and wild all winter long, then bear the rose upon its top. And I have seen a bark ere now ran straight and swift across the sea through all its course, to perish at last at entrance of the harbor.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1997/1997-h/1997-h.htm#cantoIII.XIII:~:text=Let%20not%20the,of%20the%20harbor.">Norton</a> (1892)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">Let not folk yet be too secure in judgment, as who should count the ears upon the field ere they be ripe;<br>
<span class="tab">for I have seen first all the winter through the thorn display itself hard and forbidding and then upon its summit bear the rose;<br>
<span class="tab">and I have seen ere now a ship fare straight and swift over the sea through her entire course, and perish at the last, entering the harbour mouth.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/paradisoofdante00dant/page/164/mode/2up?q=%22Let+not+folk+yet%22">Wicksteed</a> (1899)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>So also let not the people be too sure in judging, like those that reckon the corn in the field before it is ripe. For I have seen the briar first show harsh and rigid all through the winter and later bear the rose upon its top, and once I saw a ship that ran straight and swift over the sea through all its course perish at the last entering the harbour. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedyofda0000dant/page/194/mode/2up?q=%22so+also+let+not%22">Sinclair</a> (1939)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let not the people be too self-assured <br>
<span class="tab">In judging early, as who should count the rows <br>
<span class="tab">Of green blades in the field ere they matured. <br>
For I have seen how first the wild-brier shows <br>
<span class="tab">Her sprays, all winter through, thorny and stark, <br>
<span class="tab">And then upon the topmost bears the rose; <br>
And I have seen ere now a speeding barque <br>
<span class="tab">Run all her sea-course with unswerving stem <br>
<span class="tab">And close on harbour go down to the dark. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/dantesparadisowi0000laur/page/154/mode/2up?q=%22let+not+the+people+be%22">Binyon</a> (1943)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No one should ever be too self-assured<br>
<span class="tab">In judgement, like a farmer reckoning<br>
<span class="tab">His gains before the corn-crop is matured,<br>
For I have seen the briar, a prickly thing<br>
<span class="tab">And tough the winter through, and on its tip<br>
<span class="tab">Bearing the very rose at close of spring;<br>
And once I saw, her whole long ocean trip<br>
<span class="tab">Safe-done, a vessel wrecked upon the bar,<br>
<span class="tab">And down she went, that swift and stately ship.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/comedyofdanteali0000dant/page/172/mode/2up?q=%22no+one+should+ever+be%22">Sayers/Reynolds</a> (1962)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Moreover, let not folk be too secure in judgment, like one who should count the ears in the field before they are ripe; for I have seen first, all winter through, the thorn display itself hard and stiff, and then upon its summit bear the rose. And I have seen ere now a ship fare straight and swift over the sea through all her course, and perish at the last as she entered the harbor.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Divine_Comedy_III_Paradiso_Vol_III_P/4Q48EAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22moreover%20let%20folk%20not%22">Singleton</a> (1975)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let people not be too sure of themselves <br>
<span class="tab">And their judgement, like someone who reckons <br>
<span class="tab">The field of corn before the ears are ripe:<br>
For I have seen all the winter through<br>
<span class="tab">The thorn first show itself unyielding, wild, <br>
<span class="tab">And after all carry a rose on top;<br>
And I have seen a ship sail straight and swiftly<br>
<span class="tab">Over the sea for the whole of its voyage<br>
<span class="tab">Yet perish at last at the harbour mouth.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedy0000dant/page/408/mode/2up?q=%22let+people+not+be+too+sure%22">Sisson</a> (1981)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>So too, let men not be too confident<br>
<span class="tab">in judging -- witness those who, in the field,<br>
<span class="tab">would count the ears before the corn is ripe;<br>
for I have seen, all winter through, the brier<br>
<span class="tab">display itself a stiff and obstinate,<br>
<span class="tab">and later, on its summit, bear the rose;<br>
and once I saw a ship sail straight and swift<br>
<span class="tab">through all its voyaging across the sea,<br>
<span class="tab">then perish at the end, at harbor entry.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/paradiso0000dant_k1w9/page/116/mode/2up?q=%22so+too+let+men%22">Mandelbaum</a> (1984)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Nor should one be too quick to trust his judgment;<br>
<span class="tab">be not like him who walks his field and counts<br>
<span class="tab">the ears of corn before the time is ripe,<br>
for I have seen brier all winter long<br>
<span class="tab">showing its rough and prickly stem, and then<br>
<span class="tab">eventually produce a lovely rose,<br>
and I have seen a ship sail straight and swift<br>
<span class="tab">over the sea through all its course, and then<br>
<span class="tab">about to enter in the harbor, sink.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/dantesparadise0000dant/page/162/mode/2up?q=%22nor+should+one+be+too+quick%22">Musa</a> (1984)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">And let not people be too sure to judge, like one who appraises the oats in the field before they are ripe:<br>
<span class="tab">for I have seen all the previous winter long the thornbush appear rigid and and fierce, but later bear the rose upon its tip,<br>
<span class="tab">and I have seen a ship run straight and swift across the sea for all in its course, only to perish at last when entering the port.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedyofda0000dant_e4e9/page/272/mode/2up?q=%22and+let+not+people%22">Durling</a> (2011)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Do not let people be too secure in their judgements, like those who count the ears of corn in the field before the crop ripens, since I have seen, all winter long, the thorn display itself, sharp and forbidding, and then on its summit bear the rose; and before now I have seen a ship run straight and sure over the sea for her entire course, and sink in the end, entering the harbour mouth.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Italian/DantPar8to14.php#:~:text=Do%20not%20let,the%20harbour%20mouth.">Kline</a> (2002)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>And then again, don't let folk be too sure<br>
<span class="tab">in passing judgement as do those who price<br>
<span class="tab">   the harvest in the field before it's ripe.<br>
For I have seen, at first, all winter through<br>
<span class="tab">a thorn bush shows itself as stark and fierce,<br>
<span class="tab">which after bears a rose upon its height.<br>
And I have seen a keel, steered swift and well,<br>
<span class="tab">speed over oceans all its voyage through, <br>
<span class="tab">then perish at the entrance to the dock.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedy3par0000dant/page/126/mode/2up?q=%22and+then+again+don%27t%22">Kirkpatrick</a> (2007)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let the people, then, not be too certain<br>
<span class="tab">in their judgments, like those that harvest in their minds<br>
<span class="tab">corn still in the field before it ripens.<br>
For I have seen the briar first look dry and thorny<br>
<span class="tab">right through all the winter's cold,<br>
<span class="tab">then later wear the bloom of roses at its tip,<br>
and once I saw a ship, which had sailed straight<br>
<span class="tab">and swift upon the sea through all its voyage,<br>
<span class="tab">sinking at the end as it made its way to port.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://dante.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/dante/campuscgi/mpb/GetCantoSection.pl?INP_POEM=Par&INP_SECT=13&INP_START=130&INP_LEN=9&LANG=0">Hollander/Hollander</a> (2007)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But ordinary people, too, must guard<br>
<span class="tab">Their judgment, not like those who count up ears<br>
<span class="tab">Of corn before the field is ripe. For I<br>
Have seen, all winter through, bushes of thorn<br>
<span class="tab">Covered with small but savage knives, hard<br>
<span class="tab">And fierce, but now comes summer, and they they're roses<br>
All over. And I have seen a ship sail far,<br>
<span class="tab">Straight and swift, and on course, but once in the harbor<br>
<span class="tab">Down she goes, sinking like a stone.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Divine_Comedy/WZyBj-s9PfsC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22but%20ordinary%20people%22">Raffel</a> (2010)] </blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Bierce, Ambrose -- &#8220;Evangelist,&#8221; The Cynic&#8217;s Word Book (1906)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[EVANGELIST, n. A bearer of good tidings, particularly (in a religious sense) such as assure us of our own salvation, and the damnation of our neighbors. Included in The Devil&#8217;s Dictionary (1911). Originally published in the &#8220;Devil&#8217;s Dictionary&#8221; column in the San Francisco Wasp (1884-05-24). The original entry in the Wasp concluded: “The evangelists proper [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EVANGELIST, <em>n.</em> A bearer of good tidings, particularly (in a religious sense) such as assure us of our own salvation, and the damnation of our neighbors.</p>
<br><b>Ambrose Bierce</b> (1842-1914?) American writer and journalist<br>&#8220;Evangelist,&#8221; <i>The Cynic&#8217;s Word Book</i> (1906) 
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<a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Devil%27s_Dictionary/E#:~:text=EVANGELIST%2C%20n.%20A%20bearer%20of%20good%20tidings%2C%20particularly%20(in%20a%20religious%20sense)%20such%20as%20assure%20us%20of%20our%20own%20salvation%20and%20the%20damnation%20of%20our%20neighbors.">Included</a> in <i>The Devil's Dictionary</i> (1911). <a href="https://archive.org/details/unabridgeddevils00bier/page/300/mode/2up?q=%22evangelists+proper+are%22">Originally published</a> in the "Devil's Dictionary" column in the San Francisco <i>Wasp</i> (1884-05-24).<br><br>

The original entry in the <i>Wasp</i> <a href="https://archive.org/details/unabridgeddevils00bier/page/300/mode/2up?q=%22evangelists+proper+are%22">concluded</a>: “The evangelists proper are Matthew, Mark, Luke and John; the evangelists improper are the parsons."


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		<title>Dante Alighieri -- The Divine Comedy [Divina Commedia], Book 1 &#8220;Inferno,&#8221; Canto  8, l.  49ff (8.49) [Virgil] (1309) [tr. Musa (1971)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many in life esteem themselves great men who then will wallow here like pigs in mud, leaving behind them their repulsive fame. [Quanti si tegnon or là sù gran regi che qui staranno come porci in brago, di sé lasciando orribili dispregi!] (Source (Italian)). Alternate translations: How many Kings were thought of high renown, Who [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many in life esteem themselves great men<br />
who then will wallow here like pigs in mud,<br />
leaving behind them their repulsive fame.</p>
<p><em>[Quanti si tegnon or là sù gran regi<br />
che qui staranno come porci in brago,<br />
di sé lasciando orribili dispregi!]</em></p>
<br><b>Dante Alighieri</b> (1265-1321) Italian poet<br><i>The Divine Comedy [Divina Commedia]</i>, Book 1 <i>&#8220;Inferno,&#8221;</i> Canto  8, l.  49ff (8.49) [Virgil] (1309) [tr. Musa (1971)] 
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<blockquote>How many Kings were thought of high renown,<br>
Who wallow in this marsh, like Hogs in mire,<br>
Leaving their horrid characters behind!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Inferno_of_Dante_Translated/1ARcAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22who%20wallow%22">Rogers</a> (1782), l. 41ff]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>There many a regal Chief of ancient note, <br>
Wallowing thro' mire obscene lament their lot,<br>
In ruin roll'd, like brethren of the sty.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinacommediaof01dantuoft/page/158/mode/2up?q=%22regal+chief%22">Boyd</a> (1802), st. 9] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">There above<br>
How many now hold themselves mighty kings<br>
Who here like swine shall wallow in the mire,<br>
Leaving behind them horrible dispraise!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/8789/8789-h/8789-h.htm#cantoI.7:~:text=There%20above%0AHow%20many%20now%20hold%20themselves%20mighty%20kings%0AWho%20here%20like%20swine%20shall%20wallow%20in%20the%20mire%2C%0ALeaving%20behind%20them%20horrible%20dispraise!">Cary</a> (1814)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>How many kings now <i>there</i> set up their horn, <br>
That here shall wallow as in filth the swine, <br>
And leave their names to execrable scorn!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/infernodanteali02daymgoog/page/n58/mode/2up?q=%22how+many+kings%22">Dayman</a> (1843)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>How many up there now think themselves great kings, that shall lie here like swine in mire, leaving behind them horrible reproaches!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Inferno/WqpEAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22now%20think%20themselves%22">Carlyle</a> (1849)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>How many mighty kings are now above,<br>
Shall one day stand like hogs within their stye,<br>
Disparaging their memory terribly.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/comedyofdanteal00dant/page/34/mode/2up?q=%22mighty+kings%22">Bannerman</a> (1850)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Above how many live as mighty kings<br>
Who here like swine shall grovel in the mire,<br>
Leaving behind them shame and foul contempt!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Translation_of_Dante_s_Inferno/dzvcz2MMLLMC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22mighty%20kings%22">Johnston</a> (1867)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>How many are esteemed great kings up there,<br>
⁠Who here shall be like unto swine in mire,<br>
⁠Leaving behind them horrible dispraises!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Divine_Comedy_(Longfellow_1867)/Volume_1/Canto_8#:~:text=How%20many%20are,them%20horrible%20dispraises!">Longfellow</a> (1867)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>How many now hold themselves great kings up there who shall stand here like swine in the slush, leaving horrible dispraise of themselves! <br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/dli.granth.92729/page/92/mode/2up?q=%22hold+themselves+great%22">Butler</a> (1885)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Many great kings who now lift up their horns<br>
Will wallow here like swine in filthy swill, <br>
Leaving their memories to most horrible scorns.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedyofda00dantrich/page/30/mode/2up?q=%22many+great+kings%22">Minchin</a> (1885)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>How many now up there are held great kings who shall stand here like swine in mire, leaving of themselves horrible dispraises.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1995/1995-h/1995-h.htm#cantoI.VIII:~:text=How%20many%20now%20up%20there%20are%20held%20great%20kings%20who%20shall%20stand%20here%20like%20swine%20in%20mire%2C%20leaving%20of%20themselves%20horrible%20dispraises.">Norton</a> (1892)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>How many are there that bear themselves above as mighty kings, that here shall stand like swine in slush, leaving behind them loathing and condemnation!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/comedydantealig00sullgoog/page/n54/mode/2up?q=%22mighty+kings%22">Sullivan</a> (1893)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>How many count themselves up there great princes, <br>
Who here like hogs in mire shall have their station,<br>
Leaving behind them horrible reproaches!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/infernodanteali00grifgoog/page/n62/mode/2up?q=%22proud+and+haughty%22">Griffith</a> (1908)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>How many above there now account themselves great kings who shall lie here like swine in the mire, leaving of themselves horrible dispraises!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Divine_Comedy_of_Dante_Alighieri/c8ZKnRirTNUC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22now%20account%20themselves%22">Sinclair</a> (1939)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>How many above there deem themselves great kings<br>
Now, who shall lie wallowing in mire like swine,<br>
Leaving a name that with dishonor rings!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/portabledante00dant/page/42/mode/2up?q=%22deem+themselves%22">Binyon</a> (1943)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Many who strut like kings up there are such<br>
As here shall wallow hog-like in the mud,<br>
Leaving behind nothing but foul reproach.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedy00peng/page/116/mode/2up?q=%22strut+like+kings%22">Sayers</a> (1949)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>How many living now, chancellors of wrath,<br>
shall come to lie here yet in this pigmire,<br>
leaving a curse to be their aftermath!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/infernoverserend00dantrich/page/80/mode/2up?q=%22chancellors+of+wrath%22">Ciardi</a> (1954)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>How many up there now account themselves great kings, that here shall lie like swine in mire, leaving behind them horrible dispraises.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/inferno0000dant/page/n91/mode/2up?q=%22great+kings%22">Singleton</a> (1970)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>How many up above now count themselves<br>
great kings, who'll wallow here like pigs in slime,<br>
leaving behind foul memories of crimes!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/lccn_83048678/page/70/mode/2up?q=%22count+themselves%22">Mandelbaum</a> (1980)]</blockquote><br>


<blockquote>How many, up there, think themselves great kings<br>
Who here will wallow in the mire like pigs,<br>
Leaving behind them nothing but infamous horrors.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedy0000dant/page/78/mode/2up?q=%22great+kings%22">Sisson</a> (1981)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>In the world above, how many a self-deceiver<br>
Now counting himself a mighty king will sprawl<br>
Swinelike amid the mire when life is over,<br>
Leaving behind a name that men revile.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/infernoofdantene00dant/page/62/mode/2up?q=%22self-deceiver%22">Pinsky</a> (1994)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>How many consider themselves great kings up <br>
above, who here will be like pigs in the mire, leaving<br>
behind horrible dispraise of themselves!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedyofda0001dant_u1l7/page/128/mode/2up?q=%22great+kings%22">Durling</a> (1996)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>How many up there think themselves mighty kings, that will lie here like pigs in mire, leaving behind them dire condemnation!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Italian/DantInf8to14.php#anchor_Toc64091766:~:text=How%20many%20up%20there%20think%20themselves%20mighty%20kings%2C%20that%20will%20lie%20here%20like%20pigs%20in%20mire%2C%20leaving%20behind%20them%20dire%20condemnation!">Kline</a> (2002)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>How many, in the world above, pose there<br>
as kings but here will like like pigs in much,<br>
leaving behind them horrible dispraise.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedy0000dant_l7y1/page/34/mode/2up?q=%22pose+there%22">Kirkpatrick</a> (2006)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>How many now above who think themselves<br>
great kings will lie here in the mud, like swine,<br>
leaving behind nothing but ill repute!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://dante.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/dante/campuscgi/mpb/GetCantoSection.pl?LANG=2&INP_POEM=Inf&INP_SECT=8&INP_START=49&INP_LEN=3">Hollander/Hollander</a> (2007)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>How many think themselves the greatest of kings,<br>
But here will lie around like pigs in slime,<br>
Remembered for having indulged in horrible things!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Divine_Comedy/WZyBj-s9PfsC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22greatest%20of%20kings%22">Raffel</a> (2010)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>And there are others up there of the same<br>
Persuasion they are kings. They, too, will be<br>
Pigs in this filthy sty, and leave behind<br>
Nothing but curses rained upon the hole<br>
Their swelled heads filled.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/inferno0000dant_y2l4/page/42/mode/2up?q=%22they+are+kings%22">James</a> (2013), l. 47ff]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Dante Alighieri -- The Divine Comedy [Divina Commedia], Book 1 &#8220;Inferno,&#8221; Canto  6, l. 103ff (6.103-111) (1309) [tr. Sayers (1949)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;Master,&#8221; said I, &#8220;this woe &#8212; Will it grow less, or still more fiercely burning With the Great Sentence, or remain just so?&#8221; &#8220;Go to,&#8221; said he, &#8220;hast thou forgot they learning, Which hath it: The more perfect, the more keen, Whether for pleasure&#8217;s or for pain&#8217;s discerning? Though true perfection never can be seen [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">&#8220;Master,&#8221; said I, &#8220;this woe &#8212;<br />
<span class="tab">Will it grow less, or still more fiercely burning<br />
<span class="tab">With the Great Sentence, or remain just so?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Go to,&#8221; said he, &#8220;hast thou forgot they learning,<br />
<span class="tab">Which hath it: The more perfect, the more keen,<br />
<span class="tab">Whether for pleasure&#8217;s or for pain&#8217;s discerning?<br />
Though true perfection never can be seen<br />
<span class="tab">In these damned souls, they&#8217;ll be more near complete<br />
<span class="tab">After the Judgement than they yet have been.&#8221;</p>
<p><em>[Per ch’io dissi: &#8220;Maestro, esti tormenti<br />
<span class="tab">crescerann’ei dopo la gran sentenza,<br />
<span class="tab">o fier minori, o saran sì cocenti?&#8221;.<br />
Ed elli a me: &#8220;Ritorna a tua scïenza,<br />
<span class="tab">che vuol, quanto la cosa è più perfetta,<br />
<span class="tab">più senta il bene, e così la doglienza.<br />
Tutto che questa gente maladetta<br />
<span class="tab">in vera perfezion già mai non vada,<br />
<span class="tab">di là più che di qua essere aspetta&#8221;.]</span></span></span></span></span></span></em></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<br><b>Dante Alighieri</b> (1265-1321) Italian poet<br><i>The Divine Comedy [Divina Commedia]</i>, Book 1 <i>&#8220;Inferno,&#8221;</i> Canto  6, l. 103ff (6.103-111) (1309) [tr. Sayers (1949)] 
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Virgil informs Dante that, according to the "science" of Aristotle and Thomas Aquinas, the souls of the dead, reunited with their bodies at the Last Judgment, will be more "perfect," and thus will more perfectly feel the joy of Heaven, or the torments of Hell. <br><br>

(<a href="https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Divina_Commedia/Inferno/Canto_VI#:~:text=per%20ch%E2%80%99io%20dissi,qua%20essere%20aspetta%22.">Source (Italian)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>Master, I said; When the grand Sentence 's pass'd,<br>
Will an increase of punishment ensue,<br>
Or will't continue thus, or less become.<br>
Return to your Philosophy, he said,<br>
By which you're taught, that the more perfect are <br>
More sensible of good, as well as ill.<br>
And this unhappy Crew expect not e'er <br>
That they at true perfection shall arrive;<br>
But that their Suff'rings will be more severe<br>
After the dreadful Sentence than before.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Inferno_of_Dante_Translated/1ARcAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22grand%20Sentence%22">Rogers</a> (1782), l. 98ff]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Then I, "Shall equal plagues the damn'd await; <br>
<span class="tab">Shall Hell increase her torments, or abate,<br>
<span class="tab">When the last change their final sentence brings?"<br>
"Let Science solve the doubt," the Bard rejoin'd,<br>
<span class="tab">"The body married to th' immortal mind,<br>
<span class="tab">Or higher transport feels, or fiercer woe:<br>
Then th' ignoble brethren of the sty,<br>
<span class="tab">When the last clarion shakes the faulted sky,<br>
<span class="tab">Shall feel their pains sublim'd, their tortures grow."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinacommediaof01dantuoft/page/144/mode/2up?q=%22equal+plagues%22">Boyd</a> (1802), st. 9-10]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>For thus I question’d: “Shall these tortures, Sir!<br>
<span class="tab">When the great sentence passes, be increas’d,<br>
<span class="tab">Or mitigated, or as now severe?”<br>
He then: “Consult thy knowledge; that decides<br>
<span class="tab">That as each thing to more perfection grows,<br>
<span class="tab">It feels more sensibly both good and pain.<br>
Though ne’er to true perfection may arrive<br>
<span class="tab">This race accurs’d, yet nearer then than now<br>
<span class="tab">They shall approach it.”<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/8789/8789-h/8789-h.htm#cantoI.6:~:text=For%20thus%20I,shall%20approach%20it.%E2%80%9D">Cary</a> (1814)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>For thus I asked him: "Shall these torments rage,<br>
<span class="tab">The judgment past, with fury more intense, <br>
<span class="tab">Or such as now, or of their heat assuage?"<br>
Who answered: "Get thee to thy wisdom, whence<br>
<span class="tab">'Tis taught, the creature to perfection nigher<br>
<span class="tab">Of good and eke of ill hath keener sense.<br>
Albeit this cursed race may ne'er aspire<br>
<span class="tab">The true perfection of their kind to feel,<br>
<span class="tab">Yet lower scale expect they not, but higher."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/infernodanteali02daymgoog/page/n48/mode/2up?q=%22tShail+those+tonaentenige%22">Dayman</a> (1843)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">Wherefore I said: "Master, shall these torments increase after the great Sentence, or grow less, or remain as burning?"<br>
<span class="tab">And he to me: "Return to they science, which has it, that the more a thing is perfect, the more it feels pleasure and likewise pain.<br>
<span class="tab">Though these accursed people never attain to true perfection, yet they [look to] be nearer it after than before."
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Inferno/WqpEAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22after%20the%20great%20Sentence%22">Carlyle</a> (1849)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>It was the reason why I said, "Master!<br>
<span class="tab">When the grand sentence is past, is the pain<br>
<span class="tab">Increased or lessened, or do these remain?"<br>
And he said to me, "What doth thy science teach?<br>
<span class="tab">Whatever thing is perfect's more endued<br>
<span class="tab">To feel the evil, to perceive the good:<br>
To perfect misery will not they attain,<br>
<span class="tab">The accursed race who suffer in this sphere,<br>
<span class="tab">But nearer then than now they will appear."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/comedyofdanteal00dant/page/28/mode/2up?q=%22the+reason+why+I%22">Bannerman</a> (1850)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>And then I said -- "These torments, master, say,<br>
<span class="tab">Will they increase after the awful doom,<br>
<span class="tab">Or become less? Will they be sharp as now?"<br>
Then he to me -- "Unto thy science turn,<br>
<span class="tab">Which teaches, the more perfect be the thing,<br>
<span class="tab">It knows the good, it feels the suffering more.<br>
Although this multitude accurs'd may not<br>
<span class="tab">Unto the true perfection ever come,<br>
<span class="tab">After, rather than now, they look for it."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Translation_of_Dante_s_Inferno/dzvcz2MMLLMC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22These%20torments,%20master%22">Johnston</a> (1867)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Wherefore I said: "Master, these torments here,<br>
<span class="tab">⁠Will they increase after the mighty sentence,<br>
<span class="tab">⁠Or lesser be, or will they be as burning?" ⁠<br>
And he to me: "Return unto thy science,<br>
<span class="tab">⁠Which wills, that as the thing more perfect is,<br>
<span class="tab">⁠The more it feels of pleasure and of pain.<br>
Albeit that this people maledict<br>
<span class="tab">⁠To true perfection never can attain, ⁠<br>
<span class="tab">⁠Hereafter more than now they look to be."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Divine_Comedy_(Longfellow_1867)/Volume_1/Canto_6#:~:text=Wherefore%20I%20said,look%20to%20be.%22">Longfellow</a> (1867)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Wherefore I said: "Master, these torments, will they increase after the great sentence, or become less, or be as scorching?" And he to me: "Return to thy science, which holds, in proportion as the thing is more perfect, it is more conscious of the good, and so of suffering. Albeit this accursed folk may never go on to true perfection, it expects to be more on the further than on the hither side."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/dli.granth.92729/page/74/mode/2up?q=%22master+these+torments%22">Butler</a> (1885)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Wherefore I said; "O master, I would know<br>
<span class="tab">Whether these torments after the great day<br>
<span class="tab">Will lessen, keep as now, or fiercer grow?"<br>
And he to me: "Thy science here essay,<br>
<span class="tab">Which wills that more a thing is perfect nursed,<br>
<span class="tab">The more it feels both good and evil sway. <br>
And though in truth this people, all accursed,<br>
<span class="tab">With true perfection never can be dight, <br>
<span class="tab">Then, more than now, it looks to feel the worst."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedyofda00dantrich/page/24/mode/2up?q=%22O+master%2C+I+would+know%22">Minchin</a> (1885)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Wherefore I said, “Master, these torments will they increase after the great sentence, or will they become less, or will they be just as burning?” And he to me, “Return to thy science, which declares that the more perfect a thing is the more it feels the good, and so the pain. Though this accursed people never can attain to true perfection, it expects thereafter to be more than now.”<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1995/1995-h/1995-h.htm#cantoI.VI:~:text=Wherefore%20I%20said%2C%20%E2%80%9CMaster%2C%20these,to%20be%20more%20than%20now.%E2%80%9D">Norton</a> (1892)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Wherefore I said: "Master, these tortures, will they increase when the great doom is spoken, or will they lessen, or continue as galling as before?" And he made answer to me: "Go back upon the science thou hast read, which would have us believe that the more a thing is perfect, the more it feeleth pleasure, and likewise pain. Though these cursed souls may never come to true perfection, yet do they hope thereafter to attain it more than now."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/comedydantealig00sullgoog/page/n46/mode/2up?q=%22Master%2C+these+tortures%22">Sullivan</a> (1893)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>And thereupon I said: "Master, these torments,<br>
<span class="tab">Will they increase after the last great sentence,<br>
<span class="tab">Or lesser grow, or will they be as poignant?"<br>
And he to me : "Return unto thy science,<br>
<span class="tab">Which hath it that, the more a thing is perfect,<br>
<span class="tab">More hath it sense of good, and so of dolour. <br>
So, notwithstanding that this folk accursed<br>
<span class="tab">Never advances unto true perfection,<br>
<span class="tab">Yet more on that side than on this it looks for."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/infernodanteali00grifgoog/page/n52/mode/2up?q=%22Master%2C+these+torments%22">Griffith</a> (1908)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I said therefore: "Master, will these torments increase after the great judgment, or become less, or continue as fierce as now?" And he answered me, "Go back to thy science, which requires that in the measure of a creature's perfection it feels more both of pleasure and of pain. Although these people who are accursed never come to true perfection, they look to be completer then than now."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Divine_Comedy_of_Dante_Alighieri/c8ZKnRirTNUC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22will%20these%20torments%22">Sinclair</a> (1939)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Wherefore I said: "Master, these pangs of woe --<br>
<span class="tab">Shall they be increased after the great Assize <br>
<span class="tab">Or stay scorching as now, or lesser grow?"<br>
And he: "Turn to thy science and be wise.<br>
<span class="tab">The more a thing perfected is, the more<br>
<span class="tab">it feels bliss, and in pain the sharper sighs.<br>
Although the state of these accurst at core<br>
<span class="tab">Never indeed in true perfection ends,<br>
<span class="tab">They look then to be nearer than before."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/portabledante00dant/page/34/mode/2up?q=%22master%2C+these+pangs%22">Binyon</a> (1943)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">"Master," I said, "when the great clarion fades<br>
into the voice of thundering Omniscience,<br>
<span class="tab">what of these agonies? Will they be the same,<br>
<span class="tab">or more, or less, after the final sentence?"<br>
And he to me: "Look to your science again<br>
<span class="tab">where it is written: the more a thing is perfect<br>
<span class="tab">the more it feels of pleasure and of pain.<br>
As for these souls, though they can never soar<br>
<span class="tab">to true perfection, still in the new time<br>
<span class="tab">they will be nearer than they were before.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/infernoverserend00dantrich/page/68/mode/2up?q=%22great+clarion+fades%22">Ciardi</a> (1954), l. 99ff] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">Wherefore I said, "Master, these torments, will they increase after the great Judgment, or will they grow less, or will they be just as burning as now?"<br>
<span class="tab">And he to me, "Return to your science, which has it that the more a thing is perfect, the more it feels the good, and so the pain. Although this accursed folk can never come to true perfection, yet they look to be nearer it then than now."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/inferno0000dant/page/n75/mode/2up?q=%22Master%2C+these+torments%22">Singleton</a> (1970)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I said, "Master, will these torments be increased,<br>
<span class="tab">or lessened, on the final Judgment Day,<br>
<span class="tab">or will the pain be just the same as now?"<br>
And he: "Remember your philosophy:<br>
<span class="tab">the closer a thing comes to its perfection<br>
<span class="tab">more keen will be its pleasure or its pain.<br>
Although this cursèd race of punished souls<br>
<span class="tab">shall never know the joy of true perfection,<br>
<span class="tab">more perfect will their pain be then than now."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/dantesinferno00dant/page/52/mode/2up?q=%22torments+be+increased%22">Musa</a> (1971)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>At which I said: "And after the great sentence --<br>
<span class="tab">o master -- will these torments grow, or else<br>
<span class="tab">be less, or will they be just as intense?"<br>
And he to me: "Remember now your science,<br>
<span class="tab">which said that when a thing has more perfection,<br>
<span class="tab">so much the great is its pain or pleasure.<br>
Though these accursed sinners never shall<br>
<span class="tab">attain the true perfection, yet they can<br>
<span class="tab">expect to be more perfect then than now."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/lccn_83048678/page/54/mode/2up?q=%22after+the+great+sentence%22">Mandelbaum</a> (1980)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>So I said to him: "Master, will these torments<br>
<span class="tab">Grow greater still after the great sentence,<br>
<span class="tab">Will they be less, or burn as they burn now?"<br>
His answer to me was: "Go back to your science,<br>
<span class="tab">Which teaches that the more perfect a thing is,<br>
<span class="tab">The more it feels pleasure, and pain as well.<br>
Although these people, because they are accursed,<br>
<span class="tab">Will never reach the point of true perfection,<br>
<span class="tab">They expect to approach it more nearly afterwards."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedy0000dant/page/72/mode/2up?q=%22will+these+torments%22">Sisson</a> (1981)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>"Master, these torments -- tell me, will they increase<br>
<span class="tab">After the Judgment, or lessen, or merely endure,<br>
<span class="tab">Burning as much as now?" He said, "In this,<br>
Go back to your science, which teaches that the more<br>
<span class="tab">A creature is perfect, the more it perceives the good -- <br>
<span class="tab">and likewise, pain. The accursed people here<br>
Can never come to true perfection; instead<br>
<span class="tab">They can expect to come closer then than now."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/infernoofdantene00dant/page/48/mode/2up?q=%22Master%2C+these+torments%22">Pinsky</a> (1994), l. 94ff]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">So I said: "Master, these torments, will they grow after the great Judgment, or will they be less, or equally hot?"<br>
<span class="tab">And he to me: "Return to your philosophy, which teaches that the more perfect a thing is, the more it feels what is good, and the same for pain.<br>
<span class="tab">Even though these cursed people will never enter into true perfection, on that side they can expect to have more being than on this."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedyofda0001dant_u1l7/page/104/mode/2up?q=%22master%2C+these+torments%22">Durling</a> (1996)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Of this I asked: "Master, will these torments increase, after the great judgement, or lessen, or stay as fierce?" And he to me: "Remember your science, that says, that the more perfect a thing is, the more it feels pleasure and pain. Though these accursed ones will never achieve true perfection, they will be nearer to it after, than before."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Italian/DantInf1to7.php#anchor_Toc64090933:~:text=Of%20this%20I,after%2C%20than%20before.%E2%80%99">Kline</a> (2002)]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>Concerning which, "These torments, sir," I said,<br>
<span class="tab">"when judgement has been finally proclaimed -- <br>
<span class="tab">will these increase or simmer just the same?"<br>
"Return," he said, "to your first principles:<br>
<span class="tab">when anything (these state) becomes more perfect,<br>
<span class="tab">then all the more it feels both good and pain.<br>
Albeit these accursed men will not<br>
<span class="tab">achieve perfection full and true, they still,<br>
<span class="tab">beyond that Day, will come to sharper life."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedy0000dant_l7y1/page/28/mode/2up?q=%22these+torments%2C+sir%22">Kirkpatrick</a> (2006)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>"Master," I asked, "after the great Judgment<br>
<span class="tab">will these torments be greater, less,<br>
<span class="tab">or will they stay as harsh as they are now?"<br>
And he replied: "Return to your science,<br>
<span class="tab">which has it that, in measure of a thing's perfection,<br>
<span class="tab">it feels both more of pleasure and of pain.<br>
Although these accursèd people<br>
<span class="tab">will never come to true perfection,<br>
<span class="tab">they will be nearer it than they are now."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://dante.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/dante/campuscgi/mpb/GetCantoSection.pl?LANG=2&INP_POEM=Inf&INP_SECT=6&INP_START=103&INP_LEN=9">Hollander/Hollander</a> (2007)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>And I asked: "Master these punishments,<br>
<span class="tab">Will they grow, after the great and Final Judgment,<br>
<span class="tab">Or lesson, or burn exactly as we've seen them?"<br>
He answered: Go back to the rules of science, which you know<br>
<span class="tab">Declare perfection will grow more perfect with time,<br>
<span class="tab">And as it is in Heaven, so too below.<br>
Although these wicked souls will never climb<br>
<span class="tab">To Heaven, I think they may come closer, perhaps,<br>
<span class="tab">Than they are now, in the state and place we find them."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Divine_Comedy/WZyBj-s9PfsC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22Master,%20these%20punishments%22">Raffel</a> (2010)]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>Regarding that subject, I asked, "After the Final Judgment,<br>
<span class="tab">Will the torture increase, become somewhat less,<br>
<span class="tab">Or remain at the same level of intensity?"<br>
He said, "Go back to your science. Remember<br>
<span class="tab">Aristotle and Aquinas. The closer a creature is to perfection,<br>
<span class="tab">The more it feels, both pleasure and pain.<br>
This ruined crowd can't achieve authentic perfection<br>
<span class="tab">But they can expect to get closer to it than they are.<br>
<span class="tab">Which means more pain for the truly damned.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://auhumanitieslab.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Mary-Jo-Bang-trans_Dante-Inferno_Cantos-5-through-9.pdf">Bang</a> (2012)]</blockquote><br>





<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab">"After the end,<br>
What starts?" I asked. "Will all those who have earned<br>
Their place down here feel less pain from the Day<br>
Of Judgement on, or just the same, or more?"<br>
And he to me: "What does your science say?<br>
The more a thing's more perfect than before<br>
The more it takes delight or feel despair?<br>
Although these damned  will never know a true<br>
Perfection, they;ll be closer to it there,<br>
Beyond that Day. So: much more than they do <br>
Must be the answer to your question."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/inferno0000dant_y2l4/page/34/mode/2up?q=science">James</a> (2013)]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Dante Alighieri -- The Divine Comedy [Divina Commedia], Book 1 &#8220;Inferno,&#8221; Canto  6, l.  94ff (6.94-99) (1309) [tr. Minchin (1885)]</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;He will not wake again,&#8221; my leader said,<br />
<span class="tab">&#8220;From this time till there sounds the trump of doom,<br />
<span class="tab">When will descend their hostile power in dread;<br />
Each one will seek again his wretched tomb,<br />
<span class="tab">Will take again his former flesh and face.<br />
<span class="tab">Will hear His words eternally reboom.&#8221; </p>
<p><em>[E ’l duca disse a me: &#8220;Più non si desta<br />
<span class="tab">di qua dal suon de l’angelica tromba,<br />
<span class="tab">quando verrà la nimica podesta:<br />
ciascun rivederà la trista tomba,<br />
<span class="tab">ripiglierà sua carne e sua figura,<br />
<span class="tab">udirà quel ch’in etterno rimbomba&#8221;.]</span></span></span></span></em></span></span></span></span></p>
<br><b>Dante Alighieri</b> (1265-1321) Italian poet<br><i>The Divine Comedy [Divina Commedia]</i>, Book 1 <i>&#8220;Inferno,&#8221;</i> Canto  6, l.  94ff (6.94-99) (1309) [tr. Minchin (1885)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedyofda00dantrich/page/24/mode/2up?q=%22he+will+not+wake%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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Virgil explaining to Dante that, on the Judgment Day, the spirits in Heaven and Hell will be returned to Earth and their bodies (see <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2015%3A51-53&version=KJV">1 Cor. 15:51-38</a>), and then face eternal blessing or damnation from Christ. (<a href="https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Divina_Commedia/Inferno/Canto_VI#:~:text=E%20%E2%80%99l%20duca%20disse,quel%20ch%E2%80%99in%20etterno%20rimbomba%22.">Source (Italian)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>To me my Leader: These no more will rise<br>
Before the sound of the angelic Trump.<br>
When they the pow'rful Enemy will see<br>
Of wicked act, then ev'ry one recourse<br>
Will have unto their melancholy place<br>
Or Sepulture, will reassume their flesh<br>
And form, and their eternal Judgment hear.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Inferno_of_Dante_Translated/1ARcAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22no%20more%20will%20rife%22">Rogers</a> (1782), l. 88ff]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>"Those," cried the Bard, "shall slumber out their fate,<br>
<span class="tab">'Till, from the confines of the heav'nly state,<br>
<span class="tab">The Hierarch's trump shall thunder thro' the deep:<br>
Then cloath'd again in vests of humble clay,<br>
<span class="tab">The hideous band shall rise upon the day,<br>
<span class="tab">And down return, their endless doom to weep."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinacommediaof01dantuoft/page/144/mode/2up?q=%22fhall+flumber%22">Boyd</a> (1802), st. 18] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>When thus my guide: “No more his bed he leaves,<br>
<span class="tab">Ere the last angel-trumpet blow. The Power<br>
<span class="tab">Adverse to these shall then in glory come,<br>
Each one forthwith to his sad tomb repair,<br>
<span class="tab">Resume his fleshly vesture and his form,<br>
<span class="tab">And hear the eternal doom re-echoing rend<br>
The vault.”<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/8789/8789-h/8789-h.htm#cantoI.6:~:text=When%20thus%20my%20guide%3A%20%E2%80%9CNo%20more%20his%20bed%20he%20leaves%2C%0AEre%20the%20last%20angel%2Dtrumpet%20blow.%20The%20Power%0AAdverse%20to%20these%20shall%20then%20in%20glory%20come%2C%0AEach%20one%20forthwith%20to%20his%20sad%20tomb%20repair%2C%0AResume%20his%20fleshly%20vesture%20and%20his%20form%2C%0AAnd%20hear%20the%20eternal%20doom%20re%2Dechoing%20rend%0AThe%20vault.%E2%80%9D">Cary</a> (1814)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>"Henceforth he wakes mo more," the master said,<br>
<span class="tab">"Until the angelic trumpet burst the gloom; <br>
<span class="tab">When He shall come, the avenging Power they dread,<br>
These shall revisit each his joyless tomb,<br>
<span class="tab">Put on his flesh and form, and hear the sound<br>
<span class="tab">That thunders through eternity his doom."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/infernodanteali02daymgoog/page/n48/mode/2up?q=%22Henceforth+he+wakes%22">Dayman</a> (1843)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">And my Guide said to me: "He wakes no more until the angel's trumpet sounds; when the adverse Power shall come,<br>
<span class="tab">each shall revisit his sad grave; shall resume his flesh and form; shall hear that which resounds to all eternity."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Inferno/WqpEAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22he%20wakes%20no%22">Carlyle</a> (1849)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The leader said, "No more will he awake<br>
<span class="tab">From hence, till the angelic trumpet break<br>
<span class="tab">His sleep, when comes their inimical power.<br>
Each will revisit then his mournful tomb,<br>
<span class="tab">Self reinvest, in form of flesh be found,<br>
<span class="tab">Hear of eternity the thunder-sound."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/comedyofdanteal00dant/page/26/mode/2up?q=%22No+more+will%22">Bannerman</a> (1850)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>And my guide said to me -- "He wakes no more,<br>
<span class="tab">Till at the sound of the angelic trump,<br>
<span class="tab">When the Great Pow'r Antagonist shall come.<br>
Then each shall find again his gloomy tomb,<br>
<span class="tab">Each shall resume his flesh and earhtly form,<br>
<span class="tab">Each hear what through eternity shall peal."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Translation_of_Dante_s_Inferno/dzvcz2MMLLMC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22He%20wakes%20no%20more%22">Johnston</a> (1867)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>And the Guide said to me: "He wakes no more<br>
<span class="tab">⁠This side the sound of the angelic trumpet;<br>
<span class="tab">⁠When shall approach the hostile Potentate.<br>
Each one shall find again his dismal tomb,<br>
<span class="tab">⁠Shall reassume his flesh and his own figure,<br>
<span class="tab">⁠Shall hear what through eternity re-echoes."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Divine_Comedy_(Longfellow_1867)/Volume_1/Canto_6#:~:text=And%20the%20Guide,eternity%20re%2Dechoes.%22">Longfellow</a> (1867)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>And my Leader said to me, "He rises up no more on this side the sound of the angelic trump. When the power that is their foe shall come, each will find again his sorry tomb, will take again his flesh and his own shape, will hear that which thunders in eternity."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/dli.granth.92729/page/72/mode/2up?q=%22And+my+leader+said+to+me%22">Butler</a> (1885)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>And the Leader said to me, “He wakes no more this side the sound of the angelic trump. When the hostile Sovereign shall come, each one will find again his dismal tomb, will take again his flesh and his shape, will hear that which through eternity reechoes.”<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1995/1995-h/1995-h.htm#cantoI.VI:~:text=And%20the%20Leader%20said%20to%20me%2C%20%E2%80%9CHe%20wakes%20no%20more%20this%20side%20the%20sound%20of%20the%20angelic%20trump.%20When%20the%20hostile%20Sovereign%20shall%20come%2C%20each%20one%20will%20find%20again%20his%20dismal%20tomb%2C%20will%20take%20again%20his%20flesh%20and%20his%20shape%2C%20will%20hear%20that%20which%20through%20eternity%20reechoes.%E2%80%9D">Norton</a> (1892)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>And my guide said to me: "He waketh no more until the sounding of the archangel's trumpet. When the enemy shall come in his power, each will find again his joyless sepulchre, will take unto himself again his flesh and form, and hear the sound whose echoes ring throughout eternity."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/comedydantealig00sullgoog/page/n46/mode/2up?q=%22He+waketh+no+more%22">Sullivan</a> (1893)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>And said to me my guide: "No more he wakens<br>
<span class="tab">On this side of the sound of the trump angelic,<br>
<span class="tab">What time the hostile magistrate comes hither:<br>
Each one shall find again his tomb of sorrow;<br>
<span class="tab">Each shall take up again his flesh and features;<br>
<span class="tab">Shall hear what doom resounds for everlasting."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/infernodanteali00grifgoog/page/n52/mode/2up?q=%22no+more+he+wakens%22">Griffith</a> (1908)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>And my Leader said to me: "He wakes no more till the osunding of the angel's trumpet, when the adverse Judge shall come; each shall find again the sad tomb and take again his flesh and form and hear that which echoes in eternity."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Divine_Comedy_of_Dante_Alighieri/c8ZKnRirTNUC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22He%20wakes%20no%20more%22">Sinclair</a> (1939)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>My Guide spoke to me: "No more from that bed<br>
<span class="tab">he wakes until the angel trumpet sounds<br>
<span class="tab">When the stern Power shall make his advent dread.<br>
They shall revisit then their sad grave-mounds,<br>
<span class="tab">And each his flesh and his own shape resume,<br>
<span class="tab">And hear what through eternity resounds."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/portabledante00dant/page/34/mode/2up?q=%22no+more+from%22">Binyon</a> (1943)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Then spake my guide: "He'll rouse no more," he said,<br>
<span class="tab">"'Till the last loud angelic trumpet's sounding;<br>
<span class="tab">For when the Enemy Power shall come arrayed<br>
Each soul shall seek its own grave's mournful mounding,<br>
<span class="tab">Put on once more its earthly flesh and feature,<br>
<span class="tab">And hear the Doom eternally redounding."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedy00peng/page/106/mode/2up?q=%22he%27ll+rouse+no+more%22">Sayers</a> (1949)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>And my Guide to me: "He will not wake again<br>
<span class="tab">until the angel trumpet sounds the day<br>
<span class="tab">on which the host shall come to judge all men.<br>
Then shall each soul before the seat of Mercy<br>
<span class="tab">return to its sad grave and flesh and form<br>
<span class="tab">to hear the edict of Eternity."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/infernoverserend00dantrich/page/68/mode/2up?q=%22he+will+not+wake%22">Ciardi</a> (1954)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>And my leader said to me, "He wakes no more until the angel's trumpet sounds and the hostile Power comes, when each shall find again his dismal tomb and take again his flesh and form, and hear that which resounds to all eternity."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/inferno0000dant/page/n75/mode/2up?q=%22he+wakes+no+more%22">Singleton</a> (1970)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>My guide then said to me: "He'll wake no more<br>
<span class="tab">until the day the angel's trumpet blows,<br>
<span class="tab">when the unfriendly Judge shall come down here;<br>
each soul shall find again his wretched tomb,<br>
<span class="tab">assume his flesh and take his human shape,<br>
<span class="tab">and hear his fate resound eternally."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/dantesinferno00dant/page/50/mode/2up?q=%22he%27ll+wake+no+more%22">Musa</a> (1971)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>And my guide said to me: "He'll rise no more<br>
<span class="tab">until the blast of the angelic trumpet<br>
<span class="tab">upon the coming of the hostile Judge:<br>
each one shall see his sorry tomb again<br>
<span class="tab">and once again take on his flesh and form,<br>
<span class="tab">and hear what shall resound eternally."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/lccn_83048678/page/54/mode/2up?q=%22He%27ll+rise+no+more%22">Mandelbaum</a> (1980)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>My guide said to me: "He will not wake again<br>
<span class="tab">Until he hears the sound of the angel's trumpet<br>
<span class="tab">At the arrival of the enemy power:<br>
Each one will see once more his bitter grave,<br>
<span class="tab">Will put on once again his flesh and shape,<br>
<span class="tab">Will hear what echoes through eternity."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedy0000dant/page/72/mode/2up?q=%22he+will+not+wake+again%22">Sisson</a> (1981)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>"He will not wake again," my master said,<br>
<span class="tab">"Until the angel's conclusive trumpet sounds<br>
<span class="tab">And the hostile Power comes -- and the waiting dead<br>
Wake to go searching for their unhappy tombs:<br>
<span class="tab">And resume again the form and flesh they had,<br>
<span class="tab">And hear that which eternally resounds.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/infernoofdantene00dant/page/48/mode/2up?q=%22will+not+wake%22">Pinsky</a> (1994)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">And my leader said to me: "Never again will he arise this side of the angelic trumpet, when he will see the enemy governor:<br>
<span class="tab">each will see again his sad tomb, will take again his flesh and his shape, will hear what resounds eternally."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedyofda0001dant_u1l7/page/104/mode/2up?q=%22Never+again+will+he+arise%22">Durling</a> (1996)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>My leader said, "He sleeps again, and will<br>
<span class="tab">Until angelic trumpet rouses all,<br>
<span class="tab">When their Great Foe last judgment shall fulfill:<br>
Each will find their sorry burial ground,<br>
<span class="tab">Will take again their bodies, flesh and form,<br>
<span class="tab">Then hear His doom eternally resound.<br>
[tr. <a href="http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN6101057747">Ericsson</a> (2001)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>And my guide said to me: "He will not stir further, until the angelic trumpet sounds, when the Power opposing evil will come: each will revisit his sad grave, resume his flesh and form, and hear what will resound through eternity."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Italian/DantInf1to7.php#anchor_Toc64090933:~:text=He%20will%20not%20stir%20further">Kline</a> (2002)]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>"He'll wake no more until the angel's trump," <br>
<span class="tab">my master said. "When comes the Potentate <br>
<span class="tab">with all due panoply and legal pomp,<br>
each soul will be required to gravitate<br>
<span class="tab">back to its grave, to take no fl>esh and blood again<br>
<span class="tab">and hear its doom reverberate."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Inferno_of_Dante_Alighieri/B8DHyhZK8ZQC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22he%27ll%20wake%22">Carson</a> (2002)]</blockquote><br>




<blockquote>My leader now addressed me:  "He'll not stir<br>
<span class="tab">until the trumpets of the angels sound,<br>
<span class="tab">at which his enemy, True Power, will come.<br>
Then each will see once more his own sad tomb,<br>
<span class="tab">and each, once more, assume its flesh and figure,<br>
<span class="tab">each hear the rumbling thunder roll for ever."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedy0000dant_l7y1/page/28/mode/2up?q=%22he%27ll+not+stir%22">Kirkpatrick</a> (2006)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>And my leader said: "He wakes no more<br>
<span class="tab">until angelic trumpets sound<br>
<span class="tab">the advent of the hostile Power<br>
Then each shall find again his miserable tomb,<br>
<span class="tab">shall take again his flesh and form,<br>
<span class="tab">and hear the judgment that eternally resounds."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://dante.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/dante/campuscgi/mpb/GetCantoSection.pl?LANG=2&INP_POEM=Inf&INP_SECT=6&INP_START=94&INP_LEN=6">Hollander/Hollander</a> (2007)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Then my leader told me: "He will not wake<br>
<span class="tab">Again until the angel blows his horn<br>
<span class="tab">And He who hates evil comes, and everyone takes<br>
The shape and flesh with which we men are born,<br>
<span class="tab">Drawing it back from the wretched tomb where it lies,<br>
<span class="tab">And all will hear what will echo forever more."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Divine_Comedy/WZyBj-s9PfsC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22he%20will%20not%20wake%22">Raffel</a> (2010)] </blockquote><br>



<blockquote>Virgil said, "He won't wake again<br>
<span class="tab">Until an angel with a trumpet signals the adversarial Judge<br>
<span class="tab">Has arrived and the tribunal is about to begin.<br>
At that point, each wil find him- or herself in a dismal cell<br>
<span class="tab">In human form and human flesh,<br>
<span class="tab">Ears tuned to a decree that will last for eternity.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://auhumanitieslab.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Mary-Jo-Bang-trans_Dante-Inferno_Cantos-5-through-9.pdf">Bang</a> (2012)]</blockquote><br>






<blockquote>My Leader said: "Until the air is rent<br>
By angel's trumpet -- and the dead shall find<br>
Their graves take fleshly form, and hear resound<br>
The internal echoes, as shall be decreed<br>
By the Last Judge -- this one, held by his ground,<br>
Will never wake up again. Shall we proceed?"<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/inferno0000dant_y2l4/page/34/mode/2up?q=%22until+the+air+is+rent%22">James</a> (2013), l. 100ff]</blockquote><br>


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<p>And this, I learned, was the never ending flight<br />
<span class="tab">of those who sinned in the flesh, the carnal and lusty<br />
<span class="tab">who betrayed reason to their appetite.<br />
As the wings of wintering starlings bear them on<br />
<span class="tab">in their great wheeling flights, just so the blast<br />
<span class="tab">wherries these evil souls through time foregone.<br />
Here, there, up, down, they whirl, and whirling, strain<br />
<span class="tab">with never a hope of hope to comfort them,<br />
<span class="tab">not of release, but even of less pain.</p>
<p><em>[Intesi ch’a così fatto tormento<br />
<span class="tab">enno dannati i peccator carnali,<br />
<span class="tab">che la ragion sommettono al talento.<br />
E come li stornei ne portan l’ali<br />
<span class="tab">nel freddo tempo, a schiera larga e piena,<br />
<span class="tab">così quel fiato li spiriti mali<br />
di qua, di là, di giù, di sù li mena;<br />
<span class="tab">nulla speranza li conforta mai,<br />
<span class="tab">non che di posa, ma di minor pena.]</span></span></span></span></span></span></em></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<br><b>Dante Alighieri</b> (1265-1321) Italian poet<br><i>The Divine Comedy [Divina Commedia]</i>, Book 1 <i>&#8220;Inferno,&#8221;</i> Canto  5, l.  37ff (5.37-45) (1309) [tr. Ciardi (1954)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/infernoverserend00dantrich/page/58/mode/2up?q=%22and+this+i+learned%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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(<a href="https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Divina_Commedia/Inferno/Canto_V#:~:text=Intesi%20ch%E2%80%99a%20cos%C3%AC,di%20minor%20pena.">Source (Italian)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>Those who such torments suffered, I learnt,<br>
<span class="tab">Were condemn'd to them for their carnal Sins,<br>
<span class="tab">Their reason by their Passion being subdued.<br>
And as the Birds, who at the first approach<br>
<span class="tab">Of cold, take wing, and gather in thick clouds,<br>
<span class="tab">So does the Storm these wretched Spirits drive,<br>
From 'bove, below, and ev'ry side around.<br>
<span class="tab">They have no hope of ever being releas'd:<br>
<span class="tab">And e'en of lighter punishments despair.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Inferno_of_Dante_Translated/1ARcAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1bsq=%22torments%20fuffered%22">Rogers</a> (1782), l. 32ff]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>These were the hapless slaves of lawless love,<br>
Soft pleasure's vot'ries in the world above,<br>
Who the still voice of reason held in scorn;<br>
And as a flight of starlings wing their way,<br>
Riding the wintry blast in long array,<br>
<span class="tab">The phantoms fleet, in airy tumult borne.<br>
Aloft we saw the moody revel ride,<br>
Then, in long eddies, like the swallowing tide,<br>
With its full freight the hurricane descends:<br>
Around the sinner sweep, above, below,<br>
Nor respite of their cares rest they, nor refuge know<br>
<span class="tab">From the resistless storm that never ends.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinacommediaof01dantuoft/page/130/mode/2up?q=%22Thefe+were+the+haplefs%22">Boyd</a> (1802), st. 8-9]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I understood that to this torment sad<br>
<span class="tab">The carnal sinners are condemn'd, in whom<br>
<span class="tab">Reason by lust is sway'd. As in large troops<br>
And multitudinous, when winter reigns,<br>
<span class="tab">The starlings on their wings are borne abroad;<br>
<span class="tab">So bears the tyrannous gust those evil souls.<br>
On this side and on that, above, below,<br>
<span class="tab">It drives them: hope of rest to solace them<br>
<span class="tab">Is none, nor e'en of milder pang.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/8789/8789-h/8789-h.htm#link5:~:text=I%20understood%20that,of%20milder%20pang.">Cary</a> (1814)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Then understood I of that woe's intent,<br>
<span class="tab">How framed with sinners in the flesh to deal<br>
<span class="tab">Who to their passion have their reason bent.<br>
And like as starlings in their aery wheel<br>
<span class="tab">Some winter's day float wide upon the wing.<br>
<span class="tab">So doth those guilty souls the whirlwind's reel<br>
Now up, now down, now this, now that way fling;<br>
<span class="tab">Nor aught to comfort them may soothing hope.<br>
<span class="tab">If not of rest, of milder sufferance bring.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/infernodanteali02daymgoog/page/n38/mode/2up?q=%22then+understood+i%22">Dayman</a> (1843)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">I learnt that to such torment [are] doomed the carnal sinners, who subject reason to lust.<br>
<span class="tab">And as their wings bear along the starlings, at the cold season, in large and crowded troop: so that blast, the evil spirits;<br>
<span class="tab">hither, thither, down, up, it leads them. No hope ever comforts them, not of rest, but even of less pain.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Inferno/WqpEAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22i%20learnt%20that%22">Carlyle</a> (1849)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Of torment such as this, I understood,<br>
<span class="tab">Were carnal sinners made to drink their fill,<br>
<span class="tab">Their reason who subject unto their will.<br>
And as the starlings spread their wings aloft<br>
<span class="tab">In the cold time, in long and crowded flock,<br>
<span class="tab">Such are the evil spirits to the shock:<br>
From here to there, from low to high, it leads;<br>
<span class="tab">Nor hope nor comfort in their breast remain,<br>
<span class="tab">Not of a pause, but even of lesser pain.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/comedyofdanteal00dant/page/20/mode/2up?q=%22torment+such+as+this%22">Bannerman</a> (1850)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Then I perceiv'd this torment was to those<br>
<span class="tab">Whose condemnation was for carnal sins,<br>
<span class="tab">Who made their reason subject to their lusts.<br>
As starlings in their wingèd strength are borne<br>
<span class="tab">In winter season, flocking wide and deep;<br>
<span class="tab">So are the wicked spirits by this blast<br>
Upwards and downwards, hither, thither swept,<br>
<span class="tab">Having to comfort them of no hope of rest<br>
<span class="tab">From their great woe, nor e'en of lesser pain.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Translation_of_Dante_s_Inferno/dzvcz2MMLLMC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22Then%20I%20perceiv%27d%22">Johnston</a> (1867)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I understood that unto such a torment<br>
<span class="tab">The carnal malefactors were condemned,<br>
<span class="tab">Who reason subjugate to appetite.<br>
And as the wings of starlings bear them on<br>
<span class="tab">In the cold season in large band and full,<br>
<span class="tab">So doth that blast the spirits maledict;<br>
It hither, thither, downward, upward, drives them;<br>
<span class="tab">No hope doth comfort them forevermore,<br>
<span class="tab">Not of repose, but even of lesser pain.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Divine_Comedy_(Longfellow_1867)/Volume_1/Canto_5#:~:text=I%20understood%20that,subjugate%20to%20appetite.">Longfellow</a> (1867)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I was aware that to a torment thus fashioned are condemned the carnal sinners who made their reason subject to their inclination. And as their wings bear away the starlings in the cold season, in a broad and thick flock, so did that blast the evil spirits. On this side, on that, up and down it sways them; no hope ever comforts them, I say not of rest, but of a lesser penalty.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/dli.granth.92729/page/54/mode/2up?q=%22i+was+aware+that+to%22">Butler</a> (1885)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Then did I understand that this was pain<br>
<span class="tab">Reserved for those who sin in carnal things,<br>
<span class="tab">And over reason their desires maintain.<br>
And, like the summer starlings, stretch their wings<br>
<span class="tab">In the cold time, in large and ample train,<br>
<span class="tab">So that wild wind those evil spirits swings<br>
Hither and thither, up and down again;<br>
<span class="tab">No hope can comfort them of far repose<br>
<span class="tab">For evermore, nor even of lesser pain.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedyofda00dantrich/page/18/mode/2up?q=%22then+did+i+understand%22">Minchin</a> (1885)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I understood that to such torment are condemned the carnal sinners who subject reason to appetite. And as their wings bear along the starlings in the cold season in a troop large and full, so that blast the evil spirits; hither, thither, down, up it carries them; no hope ever comforts them, not of repose, but even of less pain.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1995/1995-h/1995-h.htm#cantoI.V:~:text=I%20understood%20that,of%20less%20pain.">Norton</a> (1892)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I came to know that to tortures of such a kind were doomed sinners in the flesh, who make their better judg- ment the thrall of lust. And as in winter time starlings are borne on their wings, in large and crowded flock; even so beareth this blast these sinful spirits. Hither and thither, high and low, it whirleth them, nor ever cometh hope of any rest to cheer them, nor even of lesser punishment.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/comedydantealig00sullgoog/page/n38/mode/2up?q=%22i+came+to+know%22">Sullivan</a> (1893)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I understood that unto such like torment<br>
<span class="tab">Are damned eternally the carnal sinners.<br>
<span class="tab">Who make their reason subject to their passions.<br>
And as their pinions bear along the starlings,<br>
<span class="tab">In the chill time, in wide and full battahon,<br>
<span class="tab">In such wise doth that blast the wicked spirits:<br>
Hither and thither, up and down, it bears them;<br>
<span class="tab">Nor any hope encourages them ever.<br>
<span class="tab">Not to say hope of rest, but of less torment.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/infernodanteali00grifgoog/page/n42/mode/2up?q=%22such+like+torment%22">Griffith</a> (1908)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I learned that to such torment are condemned the carnal sinners who subject reason to desire. As in the cold season their wings bear the starlings along in a broad, dense flock, so does that blast the wicked spirits. Hither, thither, downward, upward, it drives them; no hope ever comforts them, not to say of rest, but of less pain.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Divine_Comedy/7I7_cvKw8xkC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22i%20learned%20that%20to%20such%22">Sinclair</a> (1939)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I learnt that in such restless violence blown<br>
<span class="tab">This punishment the carnal sinners share<br>
<span class="tab">Whose reason by desire was over thrown.<br>
And as their beating wings the starlings bear<br>
<span class="tab">At the cold season, in broad, flocking flight,<br>
<span class="tab">So those corrupted spirits were rapt in air<br>
To and fro, down, up, driven in helpless plight<br>
<span class="tab">Comforted by no hope ever to lie<br>
<span class="tab">At rest, nor even to bear a pain more light.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/portabledante00dant/page/26/mode/2up?q=%22I+learnt+that%22">Binyon</a> (1943)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Into this torment carnal sinners are thrust,<br>
<span class="tab">So I was told -- the sinners who make their reason<br>
<span class="tab">Bond thrall under the yoke of their lust.<br>
Like as the starlings wheel in the wintry season<br>
<span class="tab">In wide and clustering flocks wing-borne, wind-borne,<br>
<span class="tab">Even so they go, the souls who did this treason,<br>
Hither and thither, and up and down, outworn,<br>
<span class="tab">Hopeless of any rest -- rest, did I say?<br>
<span class="tab">Of the least minishing of their pangs forlorn.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedy00peng/page/98/mode/2up?q=%22into+this+torment%22">Sayers</a> (1949)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">I learned that to such torment are condemned the carnal sinners, who subject reason to desire.<br>
<span class="tab">And as their wings bear the starlings along in the cold season, in wide, dense flocks, so does that blast the sinful spirits; hither, thither, downward, upward, it drives them. No hope of less pain, not to say of rest, ever comforts them.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/inferno0000dant/page/n59/mode/2up?q=%22i+learned+that+to+such%22">Singleton</a> (1970)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I learned that to this place of punishment<br>
<span class="tab">all those who sin in lust have been condemned,<br>
<span class="tab">those who make reason slave to appetite;<br>
and as the wings of starlings in the winter<br>
<span class="tab">bear them along in wide-spread crowded flocks,<br>
<span class="tab">so does that wind propel the evil spirits:<br>
here, then there, and up and down, it sweeps them<br>
<span class="tab">forever, without hope to comfort them<br>
<span class="tab">(hope, not of taking rest, but of suffering less).<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/dantesinferno00dant/page/38/mode/2up?q=%22i+learned+that+to%22">Musa</a> (1971)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I learned that those who undergo this torment<br>
<span class="tab">are damned because they sinned within the flesh,<br>
<span class="tab">subjecting reason to the rule of lust.<br>
And as, in the cold season, starlings' wings<br>
<span class="tab">bear them along in broad and crowded ranks,<br>
<span class="tab">so does that blast bear on the guilty spirits:<br>
now here, now there, now down, now up, it drives them.<br>
<span class="tab">There is no hope that ever comforts them --<br>
<span class="tab">no hope for rest and none for lesser pain.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/lccn_83048678/page/42/mode/2up?q=%22i+learned+that+those%22">Mandelbaum</a> (1980)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I understood it is to this torment<br>
<span class="tab">That are condemned those who sin in the flesh,<br>
<span class="tab">And let their reason give way to their wishes.<br>
And, as starlings are carried on their wings<br>
<span class="tab">In the cold weather, in a vast wavering troop,<br>
<span class="tab">So that breath carries the unfortunate spirits:<br>
It drives them here and there, now down, now up;<br>
<span class="tab">There is no hope ever to comfort them;<br>
<span class="tab">They cannot stop, or ever suffer less pain.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedy0000dant/page/64/mode/2up?q=%22i+understood+it+is+to+this+torment%22">Sisson</a> (1981)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab">I learned<br>
<span class="tab">They suffer here who sinned in carnal things --<br>
<span class="tab">Their reason mastered by desire, suborned.<br>
As winter starlings ride on their wings<br>
<span class="tab">Form crowded flocks, so spirits dip and veer<br>
<span class="tab">Foundering in the wind's rough buffetings,<br>
Upward or downward, driven here and there<br>
<span class="tab">With never ease from pain nor hope of rest.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/infernoofdantene00dant/page/38/mode/2up?q=%22sinned+in+carnal+things%22">Pinsky</a> (1994), l. 34ff]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">I understood that to this torment were damned the carnal sinners, who subject their reason to their lust.<br>
<span class="tab">nd as their wings carry off the starlings in the cold season, in large, full flocks, so does that breath carry the evil spirits<br>
<span class="tab">here, there, down, up; no hope ever comforts them, not of lessened suffering, much less of rest.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedyofda0001dant_u1l7/page/88/mode/2up?q=%22i+understood+that+to%22">Durling</a> (1996)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">I learnt that the carnal sinners are condemned to these torments, they who subject their reason to their lust.<br>
<span class="tab">And, as their wings carry the starlings, in a vast, crowded flock, in the cold season, so that wind carries the wicked spirits, and leads them here and there, and up and down. No hope of rest, or even lesser torment, comforts them.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Italian/DantInf1to7.php#anchor_Toc64090927:~:text=I%20learnt%20that,torment%2C%20comforts%20them.">Kline</a> (2002)]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>And then I learned such torments are incurred<br>
<span class="tab">by those who like to practice carnal sin, <br>
<span class="tab">when reason is by furtive lust ensnared.<br>
As starlings, when the evenings draw in, <br>
<span class="tab">assemble in  tremendous seething flocks,<br>
<span class="tab">so are those dark souls gathered by the wind,<br>
and hurtled to and fro in random flecks<br>
<span class="tab">devoid of hope of rest, or rest from pain<br>
<span class="tab">to which they are eternally affixed.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Inferno_of_Dante_Alighieri/B8DHyhZK8ZQC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22learned%20such%20torments%22">Carson</a> (2002)]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>Caught in this torment, as I understood,<br>
<span class="tab">were those who -- here condemned for carnal sin --<br>
<span class="tab">made reason bow to their instinctual bent.<br>
As starlings on the wing in winter chills<br>
<span class="tab">are borne along in wide and teeming flocks,<br>
<span class="tab">so on these breathing gusts the evil souls.<br>
This way and that and up and down they're borne.<br>
<span class="tab">Here is no hope of any comfort ever,<br>
<span class="tab">neither of respite nor of lesser pain.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedy0000dant_l7y1/page/22/mode/2up?q=%22caught+in+this+torment%22">Kirkpatrick</a> (2006)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I understood that to such torment<br>
<span class="tab">the carnal sinners are condemned,<br>
<span class="tab">they who make reason subject to desire.<br>
As, in cold weather, the wings of starlings<br>
<span class="tab">bear them up in wide, dense flocks,<br>
<span class="tab">so does that blast propel the wicked spirits.<br>
Here and there, down and up, it drives them.<br>
<span class="tab">Never are they comforted by hope<br>
<span class="tab">of rest or even lesser punishment.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://dante.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/dante/campuscgi/mpb/GetCantoSection.pl?LANG=2&INP_POEM=Inf&INP_SECT=5&INP_START=37&INP_LEN=9">Hollander/Hollander</a> (2007)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I learned that sinners blown, tormented in bursting<br>
<span class="tab">Gales, are those condemned by acts of lust,<br>
<span class="tab">Which melt our reason down in desire and thirst.<br>
Just as their wings, stretched wide, hold starlings up<br>
<span class="tab">In great, wide flocks fleeing freezing weather,<br>
<span class="tab">So those windstorms force the wicked souls<br>
This way, that way, down and up together.<br>
<span class="tab">No hope can ever ease their pain, giver comfort;<br>
<span class="tab">They never rest, never suffer less.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Divine_Comedy/WZyBj-s9PfsC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22I%20learned%20that%20sinners%22">Raffel</a> (2010)]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>I learned this special kind of torment is reserved<br>
<span class="tab">For those whose ravenous appetite for carnal knowledge<br>
<span class="tab">Allowed lust to triumph over reason.<br>
Like wings carry starlings off in crowded flocks<br>
<span class="tab">When the end of October hints at winter, so the wind<br>
<span class="tab">Carried these sinners: up, down, and at an angle.<br>
In broad and compact masses.<br>
<span class="tab">What is there to comfort them? Neither more peace<br>
<span class="tab">Nor less pain, although they beg for both.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://auhumanitieslab.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Mary-Jo-Bang-trans_Dante-Inferno_Cantos-5-through-9.pdf">Bang</a> (2012)]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote><span class="tab">I understood this was the punishment<br>
For carnal sinners, who let appetite<br>
Rule reason, and who, once drawn, are now sent --<br>
Like winter starlings by their wings in flight --<br>
Across the bleak sky in a broad, thick flock:<br>
Here, there, now up, now down, the winds dictate<br>
Their track. Small hope of pausing to take stock<br>
Of whether anguish might not soon abate<br>
At least a little, and no hope at all<br>
Of peace.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/inferno0000dant_y2l4/page/26/mode/2up?q=%22i+understood+this+was%22">James</a> (2013), l. 47ff]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Virgil -- The Aeneid [Ænē̆is], Book  6, l. 548ff (6.548-560) (29-19 BC) [tr. Fitzgerald (1981), l. 735ff]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now of a sudden Aeneas looked and saw To the left, under a cliff, wide buildings girt By a triple wall round which a torrent rushed With scorching flames and boulders tossed in thunder, The abyss&#8217;s Fiery River. A massive gate With adamantine pillars faced the stream, So strong no force of men or gods [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now of a sudden Aeneas looked and saw<br />
To the left, under a cliff, wide buildings girt<br />
By a triple wall round which a torrent rushed<br />
With scorching flames and boulders tossed in thunder,<br />
The abyss&#8217;s Fiery River. A massive gate<br />
With adamantine pillars faced the stream,<br />
So strong no force of men or gods in war<br />
May ever avail to crack and bring it down,<br />
And high in air an iron tower stands<br />
On which Tisiphone, her bloody robe<br />
Pulled up about her, has her seat and keeps<br />
Unsleeping watch over the entrance way<br />
By day and night. From the interior, groans<br />
Are heard, and thud of lashes, clanking iron,<br />
Dragging chains.</p>
<p><em>[Respicit Aeneas subito, et sub rupe sinistra<br />
moenia lata videt, triplici circumdata muro,<br />
quae rapidus flammis ambit torrentibus amnis,<br />
Tartareus Phlegethon, torquetque sonantia saxa.<br />
Porta adversa ingens, solidoque adamante columnae,<br />
vis ut nulla virum, non ipsi exscindere bello<br />
caelicolae valeant; stat ferrea turris ad auras,<br />
Tisiphoneque sedens, palla succincta cruenta,<br />
vestibulum exsomnis servat noctesque diesque,<br />
Hinc exaudiri gemitus, et saeva sonare<br />
verbera; tum stridor ferri, tractaeque catenae.]</em></p>
<br><b>Virgil</b> (70-19 BC) Roman poet [b. Publius Vergilius Maro; also Vergil]<br><i>The Aeneid [Ænē̆is]</i>, Book  6, l. 548ff (6.548-560) (29-19 BC) [tr. Fitzgerald (1981), l. 735ff] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/aeneid00virg/page/178/mode/2up?q=tisiphone" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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Tartarus, the Underworld place of punishment for the damned.<br><br> 

(<a href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0055%3Abook%3D6%3Acard%3D548#:~:text=Respicit%20Aeneas%20subito,tractaeque%20catenae.">Source (Latin)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>



<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">On his left side,<br>
Aeneas then under a Rock espide<br>
A mighty fort surrounded with three walls,<br>
Where Phlegeton with a swift current falls<br>
Of flaming waves: rowling huge stones along,<br>
The gates on adamatine pillars hung;<br>
No strength of men, of steel, nor gods, has power<br>
This to destroy, high stands the brazen towre.<br>
Girt in a bloody robe Tisiphone keeps<br>
The entrance night and day, and never sleeps.<br>
Hence cruel lashes sound and groaning pains,<br>
Clashing of steel, and ratling of huge chains.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo2/A65106.0001.001/1:6.6?rgn=div2;view=fulltext#:~:text=On%20his%20left,of%20huge%20chains.">Ogilby</a> (1649)]</blockquote><br>




<blockquote>The hero, looking on the left, espied<br>
A lofty tow'r, and strong on ev'ry side<br>
With treble walls, which Phlegethon surrounds,<br>
Whose fiery flood the burning empire bounds;<br>
And, press'd betwixt the rocks, the bellowing noise resounds<br>
Wide is the fronting gate, and, rais'd on high<br>
With adamantine columns, threats the sky.<br>
Vain is the force of man, and Heav'n's as vain,<br>
To crush the pillars which the pile sustain.<br>
Sublime on these a tow'r of steel is rear'd;<br>
And dire Tisiphone there keeps the ward,<br>
Girt in her sanguine gown, by night and day,<br>
Observant of the souls that pass the downward way.<br>
From hence are heard the groans of ghosts, the pains<br>
Of sounding lashes and of dragging chains.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Aeneid_(Dryden)/Book_VI#:~:text=The%20hero%2C%20looking,of%20dragging%20chains.">Dryden</a> (1697)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Aeneas on a sudden looks back, and under a rock on the left sees vast prisons enclosed with a triple wall, which Tartarean Phlegethon's rapid flood environs with torrents of flame, and whirls roaring rocks along. Fronting is a huge gate, with columns of solid adamant, that no strength of men, nor the gods themselves, can with steel demolish. An iron tower rises aloft; and there wakeful Tisiphone, with ehr bloody robe tucked up around her, sits to watch the vestibule both night and day. Hence groans are heard; the grating too of iron, and clank of dragging chains. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Works_of_Virgil/GuFCAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22sudden%20looks%20back%22">Davidson/Buckley</a> (1854)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">Sudden Æneas turns his eyes,<br>
When 'neath the left-hand cliff he spies<br>
The bastions of a broad stronghold,<br>
Engirt with walls of triple fold:<br>
Fierce Phlegethon surrounds the same,<br>
Foaming aloft with torrent flame,<br>
<span class="tab">And whirls his roaring rocks:<br>
In front a portal stands displayed,<br>
On adamantine columns stayed:<br>
Nor mortal nor immortal foe<br>
Those massy gates could overthrow<br>
<span class="tab">With battle's direst shocks.<br>
An iron tower of equal might<br>
<span class="tab">In air uprises steep:<br>
Tisiphone, in red robes dight,<br>
Sits on the threshold day and night<br>
<span class="tab">With eyes that know not sleep.<br>
Hark! from within there issue groans,<br>
<span class="tab">The cracking of the thong,<br>
The clank of iron o'er the stones<br>
<span class="tab">Dragged heavily along.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Aeneid_(Conington_1866)/Book_6#:~:text=Sudden%20%C3%86neas%20turns,Dragged%20heavily%20along.">Conington</a> (1866)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Then suddenly Aeneas, looking back,<br>
Beneath a cliff upon the left beholds<br>
A prison vast with triple ramparts girt,<br>
Bound which Tartarean Phlegethon, with surge<br>
Of foaming torrents, raves, and thundering whirl<br>
Of rocks. A gateway huge in front is seen, <br>
With columns of the solid adamant.<br>
No strength of man, or even of gods, avails<br>
Against it. Rising in the air a tower<br>
Of iron appears: there sits Tisiphone,<br>
Tucked in her blood-stained robes, and night and day<br>
Guarding the entrance with her sleepless eyes. <br>
Groans from within were heard; the cruel lash. <br>
Then clank of iron, and of dragging chains. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/aeneidvirgiltra00crangoog/page/n205/mode/2up?q=%22then+suddenly%22">Cranch</a> (1872), l. 680ff]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Aeneas looks swiftly back, and sees beneath the cliff on the left hand a wide city, girt with a triple wall and encircled by a racing river of boiling flame, Tartarean Phlegethon, that echoes over its rolling rocks. In front is the gate, huge and pillared with solid adamant, that no warring force of men nor the very habitants of heaven may avail to overthrow; it stands up a tower of iron, and Tisiphone sitting girt in bloodstained pall keeps sleepless watch at the entry by night and day. Hence moans are heard and fierce lashes resound, with the clank of iron and dragging chains.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/22456/pg22456-images.html#BOOK_SIXTH:~:text=Aeneas%20looks%20swiftly,and%20dragging%20chains.">Mackail</a> (1885)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But suddenly Æneas turned, and lo, a city lay<br>
Wide-spread 'neath crags upon the left, girt with a wall threefold;<br>
And round about in hurrying flood a flaming river rolled,<br>
E'en Phlegethon of Tartarus, with rattling, stony roar:<br>
In face with adamantine posts was wrought the mighty door,<br>
Such as no force of men nor might of heaven-abiders high<br>
May cleave with steel; an iron tower thence riseth to the sky:<br>
And there is set Tisiphone, with girded blood-stained gown,<br>
Who, sleepless, holdeth night and day the doorway of the town.<br>
Great wail and cruel sound of stripes that city sendeth out,<br>
And iron clanking therewithal of fetters dragged about.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/29358/pg29358-images.html#BOOK_VI:~:text=But%20suddenly%20%C3%86neas,fetters%20dragged%20about.">Morris</a> (1900), l. 548ff]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Back looked Æneas, and espied<br>
Broad bastions, girt with triple wall, that frowned<br>
Beneath a rock to leftward, and the tide<br>
Of torrent Phlegethon, that flamed around,<br>
And made the beaten rocks rebellow with the sound.<br>
In front, a massive gateway threats the sky,<br>
And posts of solid adamant upstay<br>
An iron tower, firm-planted to defy<br>
All force, divine or human. Night and day,<br>
Sleepless Tisiphone defends the way,<br>
Girt up with bloody garments. From within<br>
Loud groans are heard, and wailings of dismay,<br>
The whistling scourge, the fetter's clank and din,<br>
Shrieks, as of tortured fiends, and all the sounds of sin.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/18466/pg18466-images.html#:~:text=Back%20looked%20%C3%86neas,sounds%20of%20sin.">Taylor</a> (1907), st. 72-73; l. 644ff]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Aeneas straightway by the leftward cliff<br>
Beheld a spreading rampart, high begirt<br>
With triple wall, and circling round it ran<br>
A raging river of swift floods of flame,<br>
Infernal Phlegethon, which whirls along<br>
Loud-thundering rocks. A mighty gate is there<br>
Columned in adamant; no human power,<br>
Nor even the gods, against this gate prevail.<br>
Tall tower of steel it has; and seated there<br>
Tisiphone, in blood-flecked pall arrayed,<br>
Sleepless forever, guards the entering way.<br>
Hence groans are heard, fierce cracks of lash and scourge,<br>
Loud-clanking iron links and trailing chains.<br>
[tr. <a href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0054%3Abook%3D6%3Acard%3D548#:~:text=Aeneas%20straightway%20by,and%20trailing%20chains.">Williams</a> (1910)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Suddenly Aeneas looks back, and under a cliff on the left sees a broad castle, girt with triple wall and encircled with a rushing flood of torrent flames -- Tartarean Phlegethon, that rolls along thundering rocks. In front stands the huge gate, and pillars of solid adamant, that no might of man, nay, not even the sons of heaven, may uproot in war; there stands the iron tower, soaring high, and Tisiphone, sitting girt with bloody pall, keeps sleepless watch o'er the portal night and day. Therefrom are heard groans and the sound of the savage lash; withal, the clank of iron and dragging of chains.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/L063NVirgilIEcloguesGeorgicsAeneid16/page/n551/mode/2up?q=%22Suddenly+Aeneas+looks+back%22">Fairclough</a> (1916)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>As he looked back, Aeneas saw, to his left,<br>
Wide walls beneath a cliff, a triple rampart,<br>
A river running fire, Phlegethon’s torrent,<br>
Rocks roaring in its course, a gate, tremendous,<br>
Pillars of adamant, a tower of iron,<br>
Too strong for men, too strong for even gods<br>
To batter down in warfare, and behind them<br>
A Fury, sentinel in bloody garments,<br>
Always on watch, by day, by night. He heard<br>
Sobbing and groaning there, the crack of the lash,<br>
The clank of iron, the sound of dragging shackles.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/61596/pg61596-images.html#BOOK_VI:~:text=As%20he%20looked,of%20dragging%20shackles">Humphries</a> (1951)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Aeneas looked back on a sudden: he saw to his left a cliff<br> 
Overhanging with a spread of battlements, a threefold wall about them,<br>
Girdled too by a swift-running stream, a flaming torrent --<br>
Hell's river of fire, whose current rolls clashing rocks along.<br>
In front, an enormous portal, the door-posts columns of adamant,<br>
So strong that no mortal violence nor even the heaven-dwellers<br>
Can broach it: an iron tower stands sheer and soaring above it,<br>
Whereupon Tisiphone sits, wrapped in a bloodstained robe,<br>
Sleeplessly, day-long, night-long, guarding the forecourt there.<br>
From within can be heard the sounds of groaning and brutal lashing,<br>
Sounds of clanking iron, of chains being dragged along.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/aenei00virg/page/146/mode/2up?q=tisiphone">Day-Lewis</a> (1952)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Aeneas suddenly looks back; beneath<br>
a rock upon his left he sees a broad <br>
fortress encircled by a triple wall<br>
and girdled by a rapid flood of flames<br>
that rage: Tartarean Phlegethon whirling <br>
resounding rocks. A giant gateway stands<br>
in front, with solid adamantine pillars --<br>
no force of man, not even heaven's sons,<br>
enough to level these in war; a tower<br>
of iron rises in the air; there sits<br>
Tisiphone, who wears a bloody mantle.<br>
She guards the entrance, sleepless night and day.<br>
Both groans and savage scourgings echo there,<br>
and then the clang of iron and dragging chains.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/aeneidofvirgil100virg/page/150/mode/2up?q=tisiphone">Mandelbaum</a> (1971), l. 725ff]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Aeneas looked back suddenly and saw under a cliff on his left hand a broad city encircled by a triple wall and washed all round by Phlegethon, one of the rivers of Tartarus, a torrent of fire and flame, rolling and grinding great boulders in its current. There before him stood a huge gate with columns of solid adamant so strong that neither the violence of men nor the heavenly gods themselves could ever uproot them in war, and an iron tower rose into the air where Tisiphone sat with her blood-soaked dress girt up, guarding the entreance and never sleeping, night or day. They could hear the groands from the city, the cruel crack of the lash, the dragging and clanking of iron chains.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/aeneidvirg00virg/page/148/mode/2up?q=%22looked+back+suddenly%22">West</a> (1990)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Aeneas suddenly looked back, and, below the left hand cliff,<br>
he saw wide battlements, surrounded by a triple wall,<br>
and encircled by a swift river of red-hot flames,<br>
the Tartarean Phlegethon, churning with echoing rocks.<br>
A gate fronts it, vast, with pillars of solid steel,<br>
that no human force, not the heavenly gods themselves,<br>
can overturn by war: an iron tower rises into the air,<br>
and seated before it, Tisiphone, clothed in a blood-wet dress,<br>
keeps guard of the doorway, sleeplessly, night and day.<br>
Groans came from there, and the cruel sound of the lash,<br>
then the clank of iron, and dragging chains.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Latin/VirgilAeneidVI.php#anchor_Toc2242935:~:text=Aeneas%20suddenly%20looked,and%20dragging%20chains.">Kline</a> (2002)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Aeneas<br>
suddenly glances back and beneath a cliff to the left<br>
he sees an enormous fortress ringed with triple walls<br>
and raging around it all, a blazing flood of lava,<br>
Tartarus’ River of Fire, whirling thunderous boulders.<br>
Before it rears a giant gate, its columns solid adamant,<br>
so no power of man, not even the gods themselves<br>
can root it out in war. An iron tower looms on high<br>
where Tisiphone, crouching with bloody shroud girt up,<br>
never sleeping, keeps her watch at the entrance night and day.<br>
Groans resound from the depths, the savage crack of the lash,<br>
the grating creak of iron, the clank of dragging chains.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Aeneid/okrFGPoJb6cC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22suddenly%20glances%22">Fagles</a> (2006), l. 637ff]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Aeneas stole a quick glance back. To the left, under a cliff, was a massive fortress ringed with triple walls and a raging moat of fire: Phlegethon, hurling thunderous rocks. In front, a giant gate and adamantine pillars. No human force, not even warring gods, could rip them out. An iron tower reached the sky. There Tisiphone crouched wakefully, her bloody cloak hitched high. She watched the entrance day and night. You could hear groans and savage lash-strokes, irons clanking, chains being dragged. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Aeneid/FioVEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22quick%20glance%20back%22">Bartsch</a> (2021)]</blockquote><br>
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		<description><![CDATA[But I&#8217;d sooner have the depths of earth gape open, and almighty Father hurl me down to Hades with his bolt, to the pallid shades and inky night, before I disobey my conscience or its laws. [Sed mihi vel tellus optem prius ima dehiscat Vel pater omnipotens adigat me fulmine ad umbras, Pallentis umbras Erebo [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But I&#8217;d sooner have the depths of earth gape open,<br />
and almighty Father hurl me down to Hades<br />
with his bolt, to the pallid shades and inky night,<br />
before I disobey my conscience or its laws.</p>
<p><em>[Sed mihi vel tellus optem prius ima dehiscat<br />
Vel pater omnipotens adigat me fulmine ad umbras,<br />
Pallentis umbras Erebo noctemque profundam,<br />
Ante, pudor, quam te violo aut tua iura resolvo.]</em></p>
<br><b>Virgil</b> (70-19 BC) Roman poet [b. Publius Vergilius Maro; also Vergil]<br><i>The Aeneid [Ænē̆is]</i>, Book  4, l.  24ff (4.24-29) [Dido] (29-19 BC) [tr. Bartsch (2021)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Aeneid/FioVEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22depths%20of%20earth%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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Dido, regarding her loyalty to her dead husband even as she falls in love with Aeneas. <br><br>

(<a href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0055%3Abook%3D4%3Acard%3D1#:~:text=Sed%20mihi%20vel,iura%20resolvo.">Source (Latin)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>



<blockquote>But first earth swallow me, or mighty Jove<br>
Shall to the shades with dreadfull thunder smite,<br>
Pale shades of Erebus and deepest night,<br>
Ere shame I violate thee, or wrong thy rites.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo2/A65106.0001.001/1:6.4?rgn=div2;view=fulltext#:~:text=But%20first%20earth,wrong%20thy%20rites">Ogilby</a> (1649)]</blockquote><br>




<blockquote>But first let yawning earth a passage rend,<br>
And let me thro' the dark abyss descend;<br>
First let avenging Jove, with flames from high,<br>
Drive down this body to the nether sky,<br>
Condemn'd with ghosts in endless night to lie,<br>
Before I break the plighted faith I gave!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Aeneid_(Dryden)/Book_IV#:~:text=But%20first%20let%20yawning%20earth%20a%20passage%20rend%2C%0AAnd%20let%20me%20thro%27%20the%20dark%20abyss%20descend%3B%0AFirst%20let%20avenging%20Jove%2C%20with%20flames%20from%20high%2C%0ADrive%20down%20this%20body%20to%20the%20nether%20sky%2C%0ACondemn%27d%20with%20ghosts%20in%20endless%20night%20to%20lie%2C%0ABefore%20I%20break%20the%20plighted%20faith%20I%20gave!">Dryden</a> (1697)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But sooner may earth from her lowest depths yawn for me, or the almighty Sire hurl me by his thunder to the shades, the pale shades of Erebus and deep night, than I violate thee, modesty, or break they laws.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Works_of_Virgil/GuFCAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22sooner%20may%20earth%22">Davidson/Buckley</a> (1854)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But first for me may Earth unseal<br>
<span class="tab">The horrors of her womb,<br>
Or Jove with awful thunderpeal<br>
<span class="tab">Dismiss me into gloom,<br>
The gloom of Orcus' dim twilight,<br>
Or deeper still, primeval night,<br>
Ere wound I thee, my woman's fame,<br>
Or disallow thy sacred claim.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Aeneid_(Conington_1866)/Book_4#:~:text=But%20first%20for,thy%20sacred%20claim.">Conington</a> (1866)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But I would rather that the steadfast earth<br>
Should yawn beneath me, from its lowest depths,<br>
Or the Omnipotent Father hurl me down<br>
With thunder to the shades, the pallid shades<br>
Of Erebus, and night profound, ere thee,<br>
O sacred shame, I violate, or break<br>
Thy laws.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/aeneidvirgiltra00crangoog/page/n125/mode/2up?q=%22steadfast+earth%22">Cranch</a> (1872)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But rather, I pray, may earth first yawn deep for me, or the Lord omnipotent hurl me with his thunderbolt into gloom, the pallid gloom and profound night of Erebus, ere I soil thee, mine honour, or unloose thy laws.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/22456/pg22456-images.html#BOOK_FOURTH:~:text=But%20rather%2C%20I%20pray%2C%20may%20earth%20first%20yawn%20deep%20for%20me%2C%20or%20the%20Lord%20omnipotent%20hurl%20me%20with%20his%20thunderbolt%20into%20gloom%2C%20the%20pallid%20gloom%20and%20profound%20night%20of%20Erebus%2C%20ere%20I%20soil%20thee%2C%20mine%20honour%2C%20or%20unloose%20thy%20laws.">Mackail</a> (1885)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>And yet I pray the deeps of earth beneath my feet may yawn,<br>
I pray the Father send me down bolt-smitten to the shades,<br>
The pallid shades of Erebus, the night that never fades,<br>
Before, O Shame, I shame thy face, or loose what thou hast tied!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/29358/pg29358-images.html#BOOK_IV:~:text=And%20yet%20I,thou%20hast%20tied!">Morris</a> (1900)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But O! gape Earth, or may the Sire of might<br>
Hurl me with lightning to the Shades amain,<br>
Pale shades of Erebus and abysmal Night,<br>
Ere, wifely modesty, thy name I stain,<br>
Or dare thy sacred precepts to profane.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/18466/pg18466-images.html#:~:text=But%20O!%20gape%20Earth%2C%20or%20may%20the%20Sire%20of%20might%0AHurl%20me%20with%20lightning%20to%20the%20Shades%20amain%2C%0APale%20shades%20of%20Erebus%20and%20abysmal%20Night%2C%0AEre%2C%20wifely%20modesty%2C%20thy%20name%20I%20stain%2C%0AOr%20dare%20thy%20sacred%20precepts%20to%20profane.">Taylor</a> (1907), st. 4, l. 28ff]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But may the earth gape open where I tread,<br>
and may almighty Jove with thunder-scourge<br>
hurl me to Erebus' abysmal shade,<br>
to pallid ghosts and midnight fathomless,<br>
before, O Chastity! I shall offend<br>
thy holy power, or cast thy bonds away!<br>
[tr. <a href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0054%3Abook%3D4%3Acard%3D1#:~:text=But%20may%20the%20earth%20gape%20open%20where%20I%20tread%2C%0Aand%20may%20almighty%20Jove%20with%20thunder%2Dscourge%0Ahurl%20me%20to%20Erebus%27%20abysmal%20shade%2C%0Ato%20pallid%20ghosts%20and%20midnight%20fathomless%2C%0Abefore%2C%20O%20Chastity!%20I%20shall%20offend%0Athy%20holy%20power%2C%20or%20cast%20thy%20bonds%20away!">Williams</a> (1910)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But rather, I would pray, may earth yawn for me to its depths, or may the Almighty Father hurl me with his bolt to the shades -- the pale shades and abysmal night of Erebus -- before, O Shame, I violate thee or break thy laws!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/L063NVirgilIEcloguesGeorgicsAeneid16/page/n405/mode/2up?q=yawn">Fairclough</a> (1916)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">But I pray, rather,<br>
That earth engulf me, lightning strike me down<br>
To the pale shades and everlasting night<br>
Before I break the laws of decency.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/61596/pg61596-images.html#BOOK_IV:~:text=But%20I%20pray,laws%20of%20decency.">Humphries</a> (1951)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But no, I would rather the earth should open and swallow me<br>
Or the Father of heaven strike me with lightning down to the shades --<br>
The pale shades and deep night of the Underworld -- before<br>
I violate or deny pure widowhood's claim upon me.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/aenei00virg/page/80/mode/2up?q=swallow">Day Lewis</a> (1952)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But I should call upon the earth to gape<br>
and close above me, or on the almighty<br>
Father to take his thunderbolt, to hurl <br>
me down to the shades, the pallid shadows <br>
and deepest night of Erebus, before <br>
I'd violate you, Shame, or break your laws!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/aeneidofvirgil100virg/page/82/mode/2up?q=gape">Mandelbaum</a> (1971)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But O chaste life, before I break your laws,<br>
I pray that Earth may open, gape for me<br>
Down to its depth, or the omnipotent<br>
With one stroke blast me to the shades, pale shades<br>
Of Erebus and the deep world of night!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/aeneid00virg/page/96/mode/2up?q=%22o+chaste+life%22">Fitzgerald</a> (1981)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But I would pray that the earth open to its depths and swallow me or that the All-powerful Father of the Gods blast me with his thunderbolt and hurl me down to the pale shades of Erebus and its bottomless night before I go against my conscience and rescind its laws.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/aeneidvirg00virg/page/80/mode/2up?q=swallow">West</a> (1990)]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>But I pray rather that earth might gape wide for me, to its depths,<br>
or the all-powerful father hurl me with his lightning-bolt<br>
down to the shadows, to the pale ghosts, and deepest night<br>
of Erebus, before I violate you, Honour, or break your laws.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Latin/VirgilAeneidIV.php#anchor_Toc342017:~:text=But%20I%20pray,break%20your%20laws.">Kline</a> (2002)]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>But may the earth gape open and swallow me,<br>
May the Father Almighty blast me<br>
Down to the shades of Erebus below<br>
And Night profound, before I violate you,<br>
O Modesty, and break your vows.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Essential_Aeneid/libMBPer2zcC?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22swallow%20me%22">Lombardo</a> (2005)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I pray that the earth gape deep enough to take me down<br>
or the almighty Father blast me with one bolt to the shades,<br>
the pale, glimmering shades in hell, the pit of night,<br>
before I dishonor you, my conscience, break your laws.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Aeneid/okrFGPoJb6cC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22earth%20gape%22">Fagles</a> (2006), l. 30ff]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Ingersoll, Robert Green -- Speech to the Jury, Trial of C. B. Reynolds for Blasphemy, Morristown, New Jersey (May 1887)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are thousands of things in the Scriptures that everybody believes. Everybody believes the Scriptures are right when they say, &#8220;Thou shalt not steal&#8221; &#8212; everybody. And when they say &#8220;Give good measure, heaped up and running over,&#8221; everybody says, &#8220;Good!&#8221; So when they say &#8220;Love your neighbor,&#8221; everybody applauds that. Suppose a man believes [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are thousands of things in the Scriptures that everybody believes. Everybody believes the Scriptures are right when they say, &#8220;Thou shalt not steal&#8221; &#8212; everybody. And when they say &#8220;Give good measure, heaped up and running over,&#8221; everybody says, &#8220;Good!&#8221; So when they say &#8220;Love your neighbor,&#8221; everybody applauds that. </p>
<p>Suppose a man believes that, and practices it, does it make any difference whether he believes in the flood or not? Is that of any importance? Whether a man built an ark or not &#8212; does that make the slightest difference? A man might deny it and yet be a very good man. Another might believe it and be a very mean man. Could it now, by any possibility, make a man a good father, a good husband, a good citizen? Does it make any difference whether you believe it or not? </p>
<p>Does it make any difference whether or not you believe that a man was going through town and his hair was a little short, like mine, and some little children laughed at him, and thereupon two bears from the woods came down and tore to pieces about forty of these children? Is it necessary to believe that? Suppose a man should say, &#8220;I guess that is a mistake. They did not copy that right. I guess the man that reported that was a little dull of hearing and did not get the story exactly right.&#8221; Any harm in saying that? Is a man to be sent to the penitentiary for that? Can you imagine an infinitely good God sending a man to hell because he did not believe the bear story?</p>
<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833-1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>Speech to the Jury, Trial of C. B. Reynolds for Blasphemy, Morristown, New Jersey (May 1887) 
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		<title>Asimov, Isaac -- I, Asimov, ch. 73 &#8220;Letters&#8221; (1979)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Once, when a religionist denounced me in unmeasured terms, I sent him a card saying, &#8220;I am sure you believe that I will go to hell when I die, and that once there I will suffer all the pains and tortures the sadistic ingenuity of your deity can devise and that this torture will continue [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once, when a religionist denounced me in unmeasured terms, I sent him a card saying, &#8220;I am sure you believe that I will go to hell when I die, and that once there I will suffer all the pains and tortures the sadistic ingenuity of your deity can devise and that this torture will continue forever. Isn&#8217;t that enough for you? Do you have to call me bad names in addition?&#8221;</p>
<br><b>Isaac Asimov</b> (1920-1992) Russian-American author, polymath, biochemist<br><i>I, Asimov</i>, ch. 73 &#8220;Letters&#8221; (1979) 
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		<title>Pratchett, Terry -- Discworld No.  6, Wyrd Sisters (1988)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[It would be a pretty good bet that the gods of a world like this probably do not play chess and indeed this is the case. In fact no gods anywhere play chess. They haven&#8217;t got the imagination. Gods prefer simple, vicious games, where you Do Not Achieve Transcendence but Go Straight To Oblivion; a [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be a pretty good bet that the gods of a world like this probably do not play chess and indeed this is the case. In fact no gods anywhere play chess. They haven&#8217;t got the imagination. Gods prefer simple, vicious games, where you Do Not Achieve Transcendence but Go Straight To Oblivion; a key to the understanding of all religion is that a god&#8217;s idea of amusement is Snakes and Ladders with greased rungs.</p>
<br><b>Terry Pratchett</b> (1948-2015) English author<br>Discworld No.  6, <i>Wyrd Sisters</i> (1988) 
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		<title>Heinlein, Robert A. -- Stranger in a Strange Land, ch. 27 [Patty] (1961)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[If God didn&#8217;t want women to be looked at, he would have made &#8217;em ugly &#8212; that&#8217;s reasonable, isn&#8217;t it? God isn&#8217;t a cheat; He set up the game Himself &#8212; He wouldn&#8217;t rig it so that the marks can&#8217;t win, like a flat joint wheel in a town with the fix on. He wouldn&#8217;t [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If God didn&#8217;t want women to be looked at, he would have made &#8217;em ugly &#8212; that&#8217;s reasonable, isn&#8217;t it? God isn&#8217;t a cheat; He set up the game Himself &#8212; He wouldn&#8217;t rig it so that the marks can&#8217;t win, like a flat joint wheel in a town with the fix on. He wouldn&#8217;t send anybody to Hell for losing in a crooked game.</p>
<br><b>Robert A. Heinlein</b> (1907-1988) American writer<br><i>Stranger in a Strange Land</i>, ch. 27 [Patty] (1961) 
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		<title>Stross, Charles -- The Apocalypse Codex (2012)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;There are two types of people in this world,&#8221; Pete volunteers helpfully, &#8220;those who think there are only two types of people in the world, and everybody else.&#8221; He sips his wine thoughtfully. &#8220;But the first kind don&#8217;t put it that way. They usually think in terms of the saved and the damned, with themselves [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There are two types of people in this world,&#8221; Pete volunteers helpfully, &#8220;those who think there are only two types of people in the world, and everybody else.&#8221; He sips his wine thoughtfully. &#8220;But the first kind don&#8217;t put it that way. They usually think in terms of the saved and the damned, with themselves sitting pretty in the lifeboat.&#8221;</p>
<br><b>Charles "Charlie" Stross</b> (b. 1964) British writer <br><i>The Apocalypse Codex</i> (2012) 
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		<title>Bronte, Anne -- &#8220;A Word to Calvinists&#8221; (28 May 1843)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[And, when you, looking on your fellow men Behold them doomed to endless misery, How can you talk of joy and rapture then? May God withhold such cruel joy from me!]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, when you, looking on your fellow men<br />
Behold them doomed to endless misery,<br />
How can you talk of joy and rapture then?<br />
May God withhold such cruel joy from me!</p>
<br><b>Anne Brontë</b> (1820-1849) British novelist, poet [pseud. Acton Bell]<br>&#8220;A Word to Calvinists&#8221; (28 May 1843) 
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		<title>Bronte, Anne -- &#8220;A Word to Calvinists&#8221; (28 May 1843)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[You may rejoice to think yourselves secure, You may be grateful for the gift divine, That grace unsought which made your black hearts pure And fits your earthborn souls in Heaven to shine. But is it sweet to look around and view Thousands excluded from that happiness, Which they deserve at least as much as [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may rejoice to think yourselves secure,<br />
You may be grateful for the gift divine,<br />
That grace unsought which made your black hearts pure<br />
And fits your earthborn souls in Heaven to shine.<br />
But is it sweet to look around and view<br />
Thousands excluded from that happiness,<br />
Which they deserve at least as much as you,<br />
Their faults not greater nor their virtues less?</p>
<br><b>Anne Brontë</b> (1820-1849) British novelist, poet [pseud. Acton Bell]<br>&#8220;A Word to Calvinists&#8221; (28 May 1843) 
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		<title>Lewis, C.S. -- The Problem of Pain (1940)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The doors of Hell are locked on the inside. I do not mean that the ghosts may not wish to come out of Hell, in the vague fashion wherein an envious man &#8220;wishes&#8221; to be happy: but they certainly do not will even the first preliminary stages of that self-abandonment through which alone the soul [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The doors of Hell are locked on the inside. I do not mean that the ghosts may not wish to come out of Hell, in the vague fashion wherein an envious man &#8220;wishes&#8221; to be happy: but they certainly do not will even the first preliminary stages of that self-abandonment through which alone the soul can reach any good. They enjoy forever the horrible freedom they have demanded, and are therefore self-enslaved: just as the blessed, forever submitting to obedience, become through all eternity more and more free.</p>
<br><b>C. S. Lewis</b> (1898-1963) English writer, literary scholar, lay theologian [Clive Staples Lewis]
<br><i>The Problem of Pain</i> (1940) 
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		<title>Butcher, Jim -- Proven Guilty, ch. 41 (2006)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Most of the bad guys in the real world don&#8217;t know that they are bad guys. You don&#8217;t get a flashing warning sign that you&#8217;re about to damn yourself. It sneaks up on you when you aren&#8217;t looking.]]></description>
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<br><b>Jim Butcher</b> (b. 1971) American author<br><i>Proven Guilty</i>, ch. 41 (2006) 
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		<title>Steele, Richard -- Spectator, #479 (9 Sep 1712)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The married state, with and without the affection suitable to it, is the completest image of heaven and hell we are capable of receiving in this life.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The married state, with and without the affection suitable to it, is the completest image of heaven and hell we are capable of receiving in this life.</p>
<br><b>Richard Steele</b> (1672-1729) Anglo-Irish writer, journalist, playwright, politician<br><i>Spectator</i>, #479 (9 Sep 1712) 
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		<title>Fuller, Thomas (1654) -- Gnomologia: Adages and Proverbs (compiler), # 3963 (1732)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Prosperity has damn&#8217;d more Souls, than all the Devils together.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prosperity has damn&#8217;d more Souls, than all the Devils together.</p>
<br><b>Thomas Fuller</b> (1654-1734) English physician, preacher, aphorist, writer<br><i>Gnomologia: Adages and Proverbs</i> (compiler), # 3963 (1732) 
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		<title>Cook, Glen -- Faded Steel Heat, ch. 13 (1999)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>War may not be Hell itself but it definitely does weaken the barriers between us and the dark regions.</p>
<br><b>Glen Cook</b> (b. 1944) American author<br><i>Faded Steel Heat</i>, ch. 13 (1999) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/fadedsteelheat0000cook/page/40/mode/2up?q=%22hell+itself%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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		<title>Bolt, Robert -- A Man for All Seasons, play, Act 2 (1960)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[NORFOLK: I&#8217;m not a scholar, as Master Cromwell never tires of pointing out, and frankly I don&#8217;t know whether the marriage was lawful or not. But damn it, Thomas, look at those names &#8230; You know those men! Can&#8217;t you do what I did, and come with us, for friendship? MORE: And when we stand [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">NORFOLK: I&#8217;m not a scholar, as Master Cromwell never tires of pointing out, and frankly I don&#8217;t know whether the marriage was lawful or not. But damn it, Thomas, look at those names &#8230; You know those men! Can&#8217;t you do what I did, and come with us, for friendship?</p>
<p class="hangingindent">MORE: And when we stand before God, and you are sent to Paradise for doing according to your conscience, and I am damned for not doing according to mine, will you come with me, for friendship?</p>
<p></p>
<br><b>Robert Bolt</b> (1924-1995) English dramatist<br><i>A Man for All Seasons</i>, play, Act 2 (1960) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/manforallseasons0000unse_m6c8/page/78/mode/2up?q=%22sent+to+paradise%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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In Bolt's 1966 film adaptation, this is <a href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060665/quotes/?item=qt0429612&ref_=ext_shr_lnk">shortened</a>:<br><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">NORFOLK: I'm not a scholar, I don't know whether the marriage was lawful or not. But damn it, Thomas, look at these names! Why can't you do as I did, and come with us, for fellowship?<br>
<span class="tab">MORE: And when we die, and you are sent to heaven for doing your conscience, and I am sent to hell for <i>not</i> doing mine, will you come with me, for fellowship?</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Ingersoll, Robert Green -- Trial of C.B. Reynolds for blasphemy (May 1887)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[What is blasphemy? I will give you a definition; I will give you my thought upon this subject. What is real blasphemy? To live on the unpaid labor of other men — that is blasphemy. To enslave your fellow-man, to put chains upon his body — that is blasphemy. To enslave the minds of men, [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is blasphemy? I will give you a definition; I will give you my thought upon this subject. What is real blasphemy?<br /> To live on the unpaid labor of other men — that is blasphemy.<br /> To enslave your fellow-man, to put chains upon his body — that is blasphemy.<br /> To enslave the minds of men, to put manacles upon the brain, padlocks upon the lips — that is blasphemy.<br /> To deny what you believe to be true, to admit to be true what you believe to be a lie — that is blasphemy.<br /> To strike the weak and unprotected, in order that you may gain the applause of the ignorant and superstitious mob — that is blasphemy.<br /> To persecute the intelligent few, at the command of the ignorant many — that is blasphemy.<br /> To forge chains, to build dungeons, for your honest fellow-men — that is blasphemy.<br /> To pollute the souls of children with the dogma of eternal pain — that is blasphemy.<br /> To violate your conscience — that is blasphemy.<br /> The jury that gives an unjust verdict, and the judge who pronounces an unjust sentence, are blasphemers.<br /> The man who bows to public opinion against his better judgment and against his honest conviction, is a blasphemer.</p>
<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833-1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>Trial of C.B. Reynolds for blasphemy (May 1887) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/robert_ingersoll/blasphemy_trial.html" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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		<title>Ingersoll, Robert Green -- &#8220;What Must We Do To Be Saved?&#8221; Sec. 11 (1880)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[As long as we love we will hope to live, and when the one dies that we love we will say: &#8220;Oh, that we could meet again,&#8221; and whether we do or not it will not be the work of theology. It will be a fact in nature. I would not for my life destroy [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as we love we will hope to live, and when the one dies that we love we will say: &#8220;Oh, that we could meet again,&#8221; and whether we do or not it will not be the work of theology. It will be a fact in nature. I would not for my life destroy one star of human hope, but I want it so that when a poor woman rocks the cradle and sings a lullaby to the dimpled darling, she will not be compelled to believe that ninety-nine chances in a hundred she is raising kindling wood for hell.</p>
<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833-1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>&#8220;What Must We Do To Be Saved?&#8221; Sec. 11 (1880) 
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		<title>Ingersoll, Robert Green -- &#8220;What Must We Do To Be Saved?&#8221; Sec.  9 (1880)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Heaven is where those are we love, and those who love us. And I wish to go to no world unless I can be accompanied by those who love me here. Talk about the consolations of this infamous doctrine. The consolations of a doctrine that makes a father say, &#8220;I can be happy with my [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heaven is where those are we love, and those who love us. And I wish to go to no world unless I can be accompanied by those who love me here. Talk about the consolations of this infamous doctrine. The consolations of a doctrine that makes a father say, &#8220;I can be happy with my daughter in hell;&#8221; that makes a mother say, &#8220;I can be happy with my generous, brave boy in hell;&#8221; that makes a boy say, &#8220;I can enjoy the glory of heaven with the woman who bore me, the woman who would have died for me, in eternal agony.&#8221; And they call that tidings of great joy.</p>
<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833-1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>&#8220;What Must We Do To Be Saved?&#8221; Sec.  9 (1880) 
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		<title>Hugo, Victor -- Les Misérables, Part 3 &#8220;Marius,&#8221; Book  2 &#8220;The Grand Bourgeois,&#8221; ch.  6 (3.2.6) (1862) [tr. Donougher (2013)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[This brother, who is little remembered, was a complacent miser who, being a priest, felt obliged to give alms to the poor he encountered, though he never gave them anything but worthless Revolutionary coins or demonetized sous, thereby contriving to go to hell by following the path to paradise. &#160; [Ce frère, dont il est [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This brother, who is little remembered, was a complacent miser who, being a priest, felt obliged to give alms to the poor he encountered, though he never gave them anything but worthless Revolutionary coins or demonetized sous, thereby contriving to go to hell by following the path to paradise.<br />
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<em></em><em>[Ce frère, dont il est resté peu de souvenir, était un paisible avare, qui, étant prêtre, se croyait obligé de faire l’aumône aux pauvres qu’il rencontrait, mais il ne leur donnait jamais que des monnerons ou des sous démonétisés, trouvant ainsi moyen d’aller en enfer par le chemin du paradis.]</em></p>
<br><b>Victor Hugo</b> (1802-1885) French writer<br><i>Les Misérables</i>, Part 3 &#8220;Marius,&#8221; Book  2 &#8220;The Grand Bourgeois,&#8221; ch.  6 (3.2.6) (1862) [tr. Donougher (2013)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Les_Miserables/dyKMDQAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22this%20brother%20who%20is%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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(<a href="https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Les_Mis%C3%A9rables/Tome_3/Livre_2/06#:~:text=Ce%20fr%C3%A8re%2C%20dont%20il%20est%20rest%C3%A9%20peu%20de%20souvenir%2C%20%C3%A9tait%20un%20paisible%20avare%2C%20qui%2C%20%C3%A9tant%20pr%C3%AAtre%2C%20se%20croyait%20oblig%C3%A9%20de%20faire%20l%E2%80%99aum%C3%B4ne%20aux%20pauvres%20qu%E2%80%99il%20rencontrait%2C%20mais%20il%20ne%20leur%20donnait%20jamais%20que%20des%20monnerons%20ou%20des%20sous%20d%C3%A9mon%C3%A9tis%C3%A9s%2C%20trouvant%20ainsi%20moyen%20d%E2%80%99aller%20en%20enfer%20par%20le%20chemin%20du%20paradis.">Source (French)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>This brother, of whom hardly a memory is left, was a quiet miser, who, being a priest, felt obliged to give alms to the poor whom he met, but never gave them anything more than coppers or worn-out sous, finding thus the means of going to Hell by the road to Paradise.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.43835/page/n523/mode/2up?q=%22obliged+to+give+alms%22">Wilbour</a> (1862); tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/lesmisrabl1987hugo/page/604/mode/2up?q=%22the+road+to+paradise%22">Wilbour / Fahnestock / MacAfee</a> (1987)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>This brother, who is not much remembered, was a great miser, who, as he was a priest, thought himself bound to give alms to the poor he met, but he never gave them aught but bad or called-in money, thus finding means of going to Hades by the road to Paradise. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/lesmiserables0000vict_z1p0/page/n641/mode/2up?q=%22was+a+great+miser%22">Wraxall</a> (1862)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>This brother, of whom but little memory remains, was a peaceable miser, who, being a priest, thought himself bound to bestow alms on the poor whom he met, but he never gave them anything except bad or demonetized sous, thereby discovering a means of going to hell by way of paradise.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Les_Mis%C3%A9rables/Volume_3/Book_Second/Chapter_6#:~:text=This%20brother%2C%20of%20whom%20but%20little%20memory%20remains%2C%20was%20a%20peaceable%20miser%2C%20who%2C%20being%20a%20priest%2C%20thought%20himself%20bound%20to%20bestow%20alms%20on%20the%20poor%20whom%20he%20met%2C%20but%20he%20never%20gave%20them%20anything%20except%20bad%20or%20demonetized%20sous%2C%20thereby%20discovering%20a%20means%20of%20going%20to%20hell%20by%20way%20of%20paradise.">Hapgood</a> (1887)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The brother, whom he scarcely remembered, had been a peaceable skinflint who, being a priest, felt it his duty to give alms to such of the poor as he encountered; but the coins he gave them were always obsolete currency, and thus he found means of going to Hell by way of Paradise. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/lesmiserables0000tran/page/518/mode/2up?q=%22brother+whom+he+scarcely%22">Denny</a> (1976)]</blockquote><br>
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		<title>Bible, Vol. 2. New Testament -- Matthew 25: 31-46 (Jesus) [CEB (2011)]</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="tab">Now when the Human One comes in his majesty and all his angels are with him, he will sit on his majestic throne. All the nations will be gathered in front of him. He will separate them from each other, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right side. But the goats he will put on his left.<br />
<span class="tab">Then the king will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who will receive good things from my Father. Inherit the kingdom that was prepared for you before the world began. I was hungry and you gave me food to eat. I was thirsty and you gave me a drink. I was a stranger and you welcomed me. I was naked and you gave me clothes to wear. I was sick and you took care of me. I was in prison and you visited me.’<br />
<span class="tab">Then those who are righteous will reply to him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you a drink? When did we see you as a stranger and welcome you, or naked and give you clothes to wear? When did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ Then the king will reply to them, ‘I assure you that when you have done it for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you have done it for me.’<br />
<span class="tab">Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Get away from me, you who will receive terrible things. Go into the unending fire that has been prepared for the devil and his angels. I was hungry and you didn’t give me food to eat. I was thirsty and you didn’t give me anything to drink. I was a stranger and you didn’t welcome me. I was naked and you didn’t give me clothes to wear. I was sick and in prison, and you didn’t visit me.’<br />
<span class="tab">Then they will reply, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison and didn’t do anything to help you?’ Then he will answer, ‘I assure you that when you haven’t done it for one of the least of these, you haven’t done it for me.’ And they will go away into eternal punishment. But the righteous ones will go into eternal life.</p>
<p><span class="tab">[Ὅταν δὲ ἔλθῃ ὁ υἱὸς τοῦ ἀνθρώπου ἐν τῇ δόξῃ αὐτοῦ καὶ πάντες οἱ ἄγγελοι μετ’ αὐτοῦ τότε καθίσει ἐπὶ θρόνου δόξης αὐτοῦ. καὶ συναχθήσονται ἔμπροσθεν αὐτοῦ πάντα τὰ ἔθνη καὶ ἀφορίσει αὐτοὺς ἀπ’ ἀλλήλων ὥσπερ ὁ ποιμὴν ἀφορίζει τὰ πρόβατα ἀπὸ τῶν ἐρίφων. καὶ στήσει τὰ μὲν πρόβατα ἐκ δεξιῶν αὐτοῦ τὰ δὲ ἐρίφια ἐξ εὐωνύμων.<br />
<span class="tab">Τότε ἐρεῖ ὁ Βασιλεὺς τοῖς ἐκ δεξιῶν αὐτοῦ Δεῦτε οἱ εὐλογημένοι τοῦ Πατρός μου κληρονομήσατε τὴν ἡτοιμασμένην ὑμῖν βασιλείαν ἀπὸ καταβολῆς κόσμου. ἐπείνασα γὰρ καὶ ἐδώκατέ μοι φαγεῖν ἐδίψησα καὶ ἐποτίσατέ με ξένος ἤμην καὶ συνηγάγετέ με γυμνὸς καὶ περιεβάλετέ με ἠσθένησα καὶ ἐπεσκέψασθέ με ἐν φυλακῇ ἤμην καὶ ἤλθατε πρός με.<br />
<span class="tab">Τότε ἀποκριθήσονται αὐτῷ οἱ δίκαιοι λέγοντες Κύριε πότε σε εἴδομεν πεινῶντα καὶ ἐθρέψαμεν ἢ διψῶντα καὶ ἐποτίσαμεν. πότε δέ σε εἴδομεν ξένον καὶ συνηγάγομεν ἢ γυμνὸν καὶ περιεβάλομεν. πότε δέ σε εἴδομεν ἀσθενοῦντα ἢ ἐν φυλακῇ καὶ ἤλθομεν πρός σε. Καὶ ἀποκριθεὶς ὁ Βασιλεὺς ἐρεῖ αὐτοῖς Ἀμὴν λέγω ὑμῖν ἐφ’ ὅσον ἐποιήσατε ἑνὶ τούτων τῶν ἀδελφῶν μου τῶν ἐλαχίστων ἐμοὶ ἐποιήσατε.<br />
<span class="tab">Τότε ἐρεῖ καὶ τοῖς ἐξ εὐωνύμων Πορεύεσθε ἀπ’ ἐμοῦ ‹οἱ› κατηραμένοι εἰς τὸ πῦρ τὸ αἰώνιον τὸ ἡτοιμασμένον τῷ διαβόλῳ καὶ τοῖς ἀγγέλοις αὐτοῦ. ἐπείνασα γὰρ καὶ οὐκ ἐδώκατέ μοι φαγεῖν (καὶ) ἐδίψησα καὶ οὐκ ἐποτίσατέ με ξένος ἤμην καὶ οὐ συνηγάγετέ με γυμνὸς καὶ οὐ περιεβάλετέ με ἀσθενὴς καὶ ἐν φυλακῇ καὶ οὐκ ἐπεσκέψασθέ με.<br />
<span class="tab">Τότε ἀποκριθήσονται καὶ αὐτοὶ λέγοντες Κύριε πότε σε εἴδομεν πεινῶντα ἢ διψῶντα ἢ ξένον ἢ γυμνὸν ἢ ἀσθενῆ ἢ ἐν φυλακῇ καὶ οὐ διηκονήσαμέν σοι. Τότε ἀποκριθήσεται αὐτοῖς λέγων Ἀμὴν λέγω ὑμῖν ἐφ’ ὅσον οὐκ ἐποιήσατε ἑνὶ τούτων τῶν ἐλαχίστων οὐδὲ ἐμοὶ ἐποιήσατε. Καὶ ἀπελεύσονται οὗτοι εἰς κόλασιν αἰώνιον οἱ δὲ δίκαιοι εἰς ζωὴν αἰώνιον.]</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<br><b>The Bible (The New Testament)</b> (AD 1st - 2nd C) Christian sacred scripture<br>Matthew 25: 31-46 (Jesus) [CEB (2011)] 
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This passage is known as "The Parable of the Sheep and the Goats," or "The Judgment of the Nations." More info <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sheep_and_the_Goats">here</a>.<br><br>

This passage only appears in Matthew, not in the other Synoptic Gospels.<br><br>

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<blockquote><span class="tab">When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: and before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: and he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. <br>
<span class="tab">Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. <br>
<span class="tab">Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. <br>
<span class="tab">Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: for I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. <br>
<span class="tab">Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.<br>
[<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2025%3A31-46&version=AKJV">KJV</a> (1611)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">When the Son of Man comes in his glory, escorted by all the angels, then he will take his seat on his throne of glory. All the nations will be assembled before him and he will separate men one from another as the shepherd separates sheep from goats. He will place the sheep on his right hand and the goats on his left.<br>
<span class="tab">Then the King will say to those on his right hand, "Come, you whom my Father has blessed, take for your heritage the kingdom prepared for you since the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food; I was thirsty and you gave me drink; I was a stranger and you made me welcome; naked and you clothed me, sick and you visited me, in prison and you came to see me."<br>
<span class="tab">Then the virtuous will say to him in reply, "Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you; or thirsty and give you drink? When did we see you a stranger and make you welcome; naked and clothe you; sick or in prison and go to see you?" And the King will answer, "I tell you solemnly, in so far as you did this to one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did it to me."<br>
<span class="tab">Next he will say to those on his left hand, "Go away from me, with your curse upon you, to the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you never gave me food; I was thirsty and you never gave me anything to drink; I was a stranger and you never made me welcome, naked and you never clothed me, sick and in prison and you never visited me." <br>
<span class="tab">Then it will be their turn to ask, "Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty, a stranger or naked, sick or in prison, and did not come to your help?" Then he will answer, "I tell you solemnly, in so far as you neglected to do this to one of the least of these, you neglected to do it to me". And they will go away to eternal punishment, and the virtuous to eternal life.<br>
[<a href="https://www.seraphim.my/bible/jb/JB-NT01%20MATTHEW.htm#:~:text=%27When%20the%20Son,to%20eternal%20life.%27">JB</a> (1966)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">When the Son of Man comes as King and all the angels with him, he will sit on his royal throne, and the people of all the nations will be gathered before him. Then he will divide them into two groups, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the righteous people at his right and the others at his left. Then the King will say to the people on his right, ‘Come, you that are blessed by my Father! Come and possess the kingdom which has been prepared for you ever since the creation of the world. I was hungry and you fed me, thirsty and you gave me a drink; I was a stranger and you received me in your homes, naked and you clothed me; I was sick and you took care of me, in prison and you visited me.’ The righteous will then answer him, ‘When, Lord, did we ever see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you a drink? When did we ever see you a stranger and welcome you in our homes, or naked and clothe you? When did we ever see you sick or in prison, and visit you?’ The King will reply, ‘I tell you, whenever you did this for one of the least important of these followers of mine, you did it for me!’<br>
<span class="tab">Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Away from me, you that are under God's curse! Away to the eternal fire which has been prepared for the Devil and his angels! I was hungry but you would not feed me, thirsty but you would not give me a drink; I was a stranger but you would not welcome me in your homes, naked but you would not clothe me; I was sick and in prison but you would not take care of me.’ Then they will answer him, ‘When, Lord, did we ever see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and we would not help you?’ The King will reply, ‘I tell you, whenever you refused to help one of these least important ones, you refused to help me.’ These, then, will be sent off to eternal punishment, but the righteous will go to eternal life.<br>
[<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2025%3A31-46&version=GNT">GNT</a> (1976)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">When the Son of man comes in his glory, escorted by all the angels, then he will take his seat on his throne of glory. All nations will be assembled before him and he will separate people one from another as the shepherd separates sheep from goats. He will place the sheep on his right hand and the goats on his left.<br>
<span class="tab">Then the King will say to those on his right hand, "Come, you whom my Father has blessed, take as your heritage the kingdom prepared for you since the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you made me welcome, lacking clothes and you clothed me, sick and you visited me, in prison and you came to see me."<br>
<span class="tab">Then the upright will say to him in reply, "Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? When did we see you a stranger and make you welcome, lacking clothes and clothe you? When did we find you sick or in prison and go to see you?" And the King will answer, "In truth I tell you, in so far as you did this to one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did it to me."<br>
<span class="tab">Then he will say to those on his left hand, "Go away from me, with your curse upon you, to the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you never gave me food, I was thirsty and you never gave me anything to drink, I was a stranger and you never made me welcome, lacking clothes and you never clothed me, sick and in prison and you never visited me."<br>
<span class="tab">Then it will be their turn to ask, "Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty, a stranger or lacking clothes, sick or in prison, and did not come to your help?" Then he will answer, "In truth I tell you, in so far as you neglected to do this to one of the least of these, you neglected to do it to me." And they will go away to eternal punishment, and the upright to eternal life.<br>
[<a href="https://www.bibliacatolica.com.br/en/new-jerusalem-bible/matthew/25/#:~:text=%27When%20the%20Son,to%20eternal%20life.%27">NJB</a> (1985)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne.  Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats, and he will place the sheep at his right hand, but the goats at the left.<br>
<span class="tab">Then the King will say to those at his right hand, 'Come, O blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.'<br>
<span class="tab">Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see thee hungry and feed thee, or thirsty and give thee drink?  And when did we see thee a stranger and welcome thee, or naked and clothe thee? And when did we see thee sick or in prison and visit thee?'  And the King will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me.'<br>
<span class="tab">Then he will say to those at his left hand, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink,  I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.'<br>
<span class="tab">Then they also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see thee hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to thee?'  Then he will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it not to one of the least of these, you did it not to me.' And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.<br>
[<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2025%3A31-46&version=NRSVUE">NRSV</a> (2021 ed.)]</blockquote><br>
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		<title>Ingersoll, Robert Green -- &#8220;What Must We Do to Be Saved?&#8221; Sec. 11 (1880)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as we love we will hope to live, and when the one dies that we love we will say: &#8220;Oh, that we could meet again,&#8221; and whether we do or not it will not be the work of theology. It will be a fact in nature. I would not for my life destroy one star of human hope, but I want it so that when a poor woman rocks the cradle and sings a lullaby to the dimpled darling, she will not be compelled to believe that ninety-nine chances in a hundred she is raising kindling wood for hell.</p>
<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833-1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>&#8220;What Must We Do to Be Saved?&#8221; Sec. 11 (1880) 
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		<title>Ingersoll, Robert Green -- &#8220;Reply to Rev. Drs. Thomas and Lorimer,&#8221; speech, Chicago (26 Nov 1882)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I attacked the doctrine of eternal pain. I hold it in infinite and utter abhorrence. And if there be a God in this universe who made a hell; if there be a God in this universe who denies to any human being the right of reformation, then that God is not good, that God is [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I attacked the doctrine of eternal pain. I hold it in infinite and utter abhorrence. And if there be a God in this universe who made a hell; if there be a God in this universe who denies to any human being the right of reformation, then that God is not good, that God is not just, and the future of man is infinitely dark. I despise that doctrine, and I have done what little I could to get that horror from the cradle, that horror from the hearts of mothers, that horror from the hearts of husbands and fathers, and sons, and brothers, and sisters. It is a doctrine that turns to ashes all the humanities of life and all the hopes of mankind. I despise it.</p>
<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833-1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>&#8220;Reply to Rev. Drs. Thomas and Lorimer,&#8221; speech, Chicago (26 Nov 1882) 
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		<title>Shakespeare, William -- Hamlet, Act 3, sc. 1, l.  84ff (3.1.84-90) (c. 1600)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[HAMLET:Who would fardels bear, To grunt and sweat under a weary life, But that the dread of something after death, The undiscovered country from whose bourn No traveler returns, puzzles the will And makes us rather bear those ills we have Than fly to others that we know not of? &#8220;Fardels&#8221; = &#8220;burdens&#8221;]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">HAMLET:<span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Who would fardels bear,<br />
To grunt and sweat under a weary life,<br />
But that the dread of something after death,<br />
The undiscovered country from whose bourn<br />
No traveler returns, puzzles the will<br />
And makes us rather bear those ills we have<br />
Than fly to others that we know not of?</span></span></span></span></span></p>
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<br><b>William Shakespeare</b> (1564-1616) English dramatist and poet<br><i>Hamlet</i>, Act 3, sc. 1, l.  84ff (3.1.84-90) (c. 1600) 
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"Fardels" = "burdens"
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		<description><![CDATA[Religion &#8212; easily &#8212; has the Greatest Bullshit Story Ever Told! Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there&#8217;s an invisible man &#8212; living in the sky &#8212; who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things He does not want [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Religion &#8212; easily &#8212; has the Greatest Bullshit Story Ever Told! Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there&#8217;s an <em>invisible man &#8212; living in the sky</em> &#8212; who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things He does not want you to do. And if you do <em>any</em> of these ten things, He has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry, forever and ever, till the end of time! But He loves you! He loves you. He loves you and He <i>needs money!</i>  He always needs money! He&#8217;s all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise &#8212; somehow just can&#8217;t handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullshit story, holy shit!</p>
<br><b>George Carlin</b> (1937-2008) American comedian<br>Show (1999-02-06), <i>You Are All Diseased</i>, Beacon Theater, New York City (HBO) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://scrapsfromtheloft.com/comedy/george-carlin-you-are-all-diseased-transcript/#:~:text=Religion%20easily%20has,story%E2%80%A6%20holy%20shit!" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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(<a href="https://youtu.be/_BFIRgn9OLI?si=heR7J3C0-2n4eEvl&t=22">Source (Video)</a>).

<a href="https://archive.org/details/napalmsillyputty00carl_0/page/28/mode/2up?q=%22bullshit+story%22">Reprinted</a>, slightly edited, in <i>Napalm & Silly Putty</i>, "Bullshit from the Sky" (2001):<br><br>

<blockquote>Religion -- easily -- has the Greatest Bullshit Story Ever Told! Think about it: religion has actually convinced people -- many of them adults -- that there's an invisible man who lives in the sky and watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And who has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do <em>any</em> of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to remain and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry, forever and ever, till the end of time! But he loves you. He loves you and he needs money!  He always needs money. He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, but somehow ... he just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, pays no taxes, and somehow always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullshit story. Holy shit!</blockquote>









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		<title>Ingersoll, Robert Green -- Lecture (1884-01-20), &#8220;Orthodoxy,&#8221; Tabor Opera House, Denver, Colorado</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[They say that God says to me, &#8220;Forgive your enemies.&#8221; I say, &#8220;I do;&#8221; but he says, &#8220;I will damn mine.&#8221; God should be consistent. If he wants me to forgive my enemies he should forgive his. I am asked to forgive enemies who can hurt me. God is only asked to forgive enemies who [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They say that God says to me, &#8220;Forgive your enemies.&#8221; I say, &#8220;I do;&#8221; but he says, &#8220;I will damn mine.&#8221; God should be consistent. If he wants me to forgive my enemies he should forgive his. I am asked to forgive enemies who can hurt me. God is only asked to forgive enemies who cannot hurt him. He certainly ought to be as generous as he asks us to be. And I want no God to forgive me unless I am willing to forgive others, and unless I do forgive others. All I ask, if that be true, is that this God should act according to his own doctrine.</p>
<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833-1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>Lecture (1884-01-20), &#8220;Orthodoxy,&#8221; Tabor Opera House, Denver, Colorado 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://gutenberg.org/cache/epub/38813/pg38813-images.html#Blink0004:~:text=They%20say%20that%20God%20says%20to%20me%2C%20%22Forgive%20your%20enemies.%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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Published as <a href="https://archive.org/details/orthodoxylecture00inge/page/14/mode/2up">its own book</a> in 1884.


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		<title>Ingersoll, Robert Green -- &#8220;The Liberty of Man, Woman, and Child&#8221; (1877)</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If there is a God who will damn his children forever, I would rather go to hell than to go to heaven and keep the society of such an infamous tyrant. I make my choice now. I despise that doctrine. It has covered the cheeks of this world with tears. It has polluted the hearts [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there is a God who will damn his children forever, I would rather go to hell than to go to heaven and keep the society of such an infamous tyrant. I make my choice now. I despise that doctrine. It has covered the cheeks of this world with tears. It has polluted the hearts of children, and poisoned the imaginations of men.</p>
<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833-1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>&#8220;The Liberty of Man, Woman, and Child&#8221; (1877) 
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		<title>Ingersoll, Robert Green -- Lecture (1874-05-03), &#8220;Heretics and Heresies,&#8221; Free Religious Society, Kingsbury Hall, Chicago</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do not say, and I do not believe, that Christians are as bad as their creeds. In spite of church and dogma, there have been millions and millions of men and women true to the loftiest and most generous promptings of the human heart. They have been true to their convictions, and, with a [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="tab">I do not say, and I do not believe, that Christians are as bad as their creeds. In spite of church and dogma, there have been millions and millions of men and women true to the loftiest and most generous promptings of the human heart. They have been true to their convictions, and, with a self-denial and fortitude excelled by none, have labored and suffered for the salvation of men. Imbued with the spirit of self-sacrifice, believing that by personal effort they could rescue at least a few souls from the infinite shadow of hell, they have cheerfully endured every hardship and scorned every danger.<br />
<span class="tab">And yet, notwithstanding all this, they believed that honest error was a crime. They knew that the Bible so declared, and they believed that all unbelievers would be eternally lost. They believed that religion was of God, and all heresy of the devil. They killed heretics in defense of their own souls and the souls of their children. They killed them because, according to their idea, they were the enemies of God, and because the Bible teaches that the blood of the unbeliever is a most acceptable sacrifice to heaven.</span></span></p>
<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833-1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>Lecture (1874-05-03), &#8220;Heretics and Heresies,&#8221; Free Religious Society, Kingsbury Hall, Chicago 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://gutenberg.org/cache/epub/38813/pg38813-images.html#Alink0006:~:text=I%20do%20not,sacrifice%20to%20heaven." target="_blank">Source</a>)
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Collected in <i>The Gods and Other Lectures</i> (1876).
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		<title>Ingersoll, Robert Green -- &#8220;The Great Infidels&#8221; (1881)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is it necessary that Heaven should borrow its light from the glare of Hell? Infinite punishment is infinite cruelty, endless injustice, immortal meanness. To worship an eternal gaoler hardens, debases, and pollutes even the vilest soul. While there is one sad and breaking heart in the universe, no good being can be perfectly happy.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it necessary that Heaven should borrow its light from the glare of Hell? Infinite punishment is infinite cruelty, endless injustice, immortal meanness. To worship an eternal gaoler hardens, debases, and pollutes even the vilest soul. While there is one sad and breaking heart in the universe, no good being can be perfectly happy.</p>
<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833-1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>&#8220;The Great Infidels&#8221; (1881) 
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		<title>Ingersoll, Robert Green -- Lecture (1874-05-03), &#8220;Heretics and Heresies,&#8221; Free Religious Society, Kingsbury Hall, Chicago</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Give any orthodox church the power, and to-day they would punish heresy with whip, and chain, and fire. As long as a church deems a certain belief essential to salvation, just so long it will kill and burn if it has the power. Why should the church pity a man whom her God hates? Why [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give any orthodox church the power, and to-day they would punish heresy with whip, and chain, and fire. As long as a church deems a certain belief essential to salvation, just so long it will kill and burn if it has the power. Why should the church pity a man whom her God hates? Why should she show mercy to a kind and noble heretic whom her God will burn in eternal fire? Why should a Christian be better than his God?</p>
<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833-1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>Lecture (1874-05-03), &#8220;Heretics and Heresies,&#8221; Free Religious Society, Kingsbury Hall, Chicago 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://gutenberg.org/cache/epub/38813/pg38813-images.html#Alink0006:~:text=Give%20any%20orthodox,than%20his%20God%3F" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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Collected in <i>The Gods and Other Lectures</i> (1876).
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		<title>Ingersoll, Robert Green -- Lecture (1872-01-29), &#8220;The Gods,&#8221; Fairbury Hall, Fairbury, Illinois</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[While utterly discarding all creeds, and denying the truth of all religions, there is neither in my heart nor upon my lips a sneer for the hopeful, loving and tender souls who believe that from all this discord will result a perfect harmony, that every evil will in some mysterious way become a good, and [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="tab">While utterly discarding all creeds, and denying the truth of all religions, there is neither in my heart nor upon my lips a sneer for the hopeful, loving and tender souls who believe that from all this discord will result a perfect harmony, that every evil will in some mysterious way become a good, and that above and over all there is a being who, in some way, will reclaim and glorify every one of the children of men.<br />
<span class="tab">But for those who heartlessly try to prove that salvation is almost impossible, that damnation is almost certain, that the highway of the universe leads to hell, who fill life with fear and death with horror, who curse the cradle and mock the tomb, it is impossible to entertain other than feelings of pity, contempt and scorn.</span></span></p>
<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833-1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>Lecture (1872-01-29), &#8220;The Gods,&#8221; Fairbury Hall, Fairbury, Illinois 
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<a href="https://archive.org/details/godsotherlectu00inge/page/84/mode/2up?q=%22utterly+discarding%22">Collected</a> in <i>The Gods and Other Lectures</i> (1876)

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do not judge, and you will not be judged; do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven. Give, and there will be gifts for you: a full measure, pressed down, shaken together, and overflowing, will be poured into your lap; because the standard you use will be the standard used for you.</p>
<p>[Καὶ μὴ κρίνετε, καὶ οὐ μὴ κριθῆτε· καὶ μὴ καταδικάζετε, καὶ οὐ μὴ καταδικασθῆτε. ἀπολύετε, καὶ ἀπολυθήσεσθε· δίδοτε, καὶ δοθήσεται ὑμῖν· μέτρον καλὸν πεπιεσμένον σεσαλευμένον ὑπερεκχυννόμενον δώσουσιν εἰς τὸν κόλπον ὑμῶν· ᾧ γὰρ μέτρῳ μετρεῖτε ἀντιμετρηθήσεται ὑμῖν.]</p>
<br><b>The Bible (The New Testament)</b> (AD 1st - 2nd C) Christian sacred scripture<br>Luke  6: 37-38 (Jesus) [NJB (1985)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.bibliacatolica.com.br/en/new-jerusalem-bible/luke/6/#:~:text=Do%20not%20judge,used%20for%20you" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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This passage is paralleled (reduced) in <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew%207%3A1-2&version=NRSVUE">Matthew 7:1-2</a> and <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=mark%204%3A24&version=NRSVUE">Mark 4:24</a>.<br><br>

(<a href="https://tips.translation.bible/tip_verse/luke-637/">Source (Greek)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.<br>
[<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%206%3A37-38&version=AKJV">KJV</a> (1611)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Do not judge, and you will not be judged yourselves; do not condemn, and you will not be condemned yourselves; grant pardon, and you will be pardoned. Give, and there will be gifts for you: a full measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over, will be poured into your lap; because the amount you measure out is the amount you will be given back.<br>
[<a href="https://www.seraphim.my/bible/jb/JB-NT03%20LUKE.htm#:~:text=Do%20not%20judge,be%20given%20back.">JB</a> (1966)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Do not judge others, and God will not judge you; do not condemn others, and God will not condemn you; forgive others, and God will forgive you. Give to others, and God will give to you. Indeed, you will receive a full measure, a generous helping, poured into your hands -- all that you can hold. The measure you use for others is the one that God will use for you.<br>
[<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%206%3A37-38&version=GNT">GNT</a> (1976)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Don’t judge, and you won’t be judged. Don’t condemn, and you won’t be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. Give, and it will be given to you. A good portion -- packed down, firmly shaken, and overflowing -- will fall into your lap. The portion you give will determine the portion you receive in return.<br>
[<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%206%3A37-38&version=CEB">CEB</a> (2011)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.<br>
[<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%206%3A37-38&version=NIV">NIV</a> (2011 ed.)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Do not judge, and you will not be judged; do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven; give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap, for the measure you give will be the measure you get back.<br>
[<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%206%3A37-38&version=NRSVUE">NRSV</a> (2021 ed.)]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Dickens, Charles -- The Life And Adventures of Nicholas Nickleby, ch. 64 [Mr Mantalini] (1839)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am always turning, I am perpetually turning, like a demd old horse in a demnition mill. My life is one demd horrid grind!</p>
<br><b>Charles Dickens</b> (1812-1870) English writer and social critic<br><i>The Life And Adventures of Nicholas Nickleby</i>, ch. 64 [Mr Mantalini] (1839) 
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