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		<title>Greenwood, Kerry -- Phryne Fisher, Book 13, The Castlemaine Murders, ch.  4 (2003)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;Conversation is a minefield until you learn the conventions, Jane dear.&#8221; &#8220;I’ll never learn all the rules,&#8221; muttered Jane. &#8220;Yes, you will,&#8221; said Phryne. &#8220;Then you can bend them.&#8221;]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="tab">&#8220;Conversation is a minefield until you learn the conventions, Jane dear.&#8221;<br />
<span class="tab">&#8220;I’ll never learn all the rules,&#8221; muttered Jane.<br />
<span class="tab">&#8220;Yes, you will,&#8221; said Phryne. &#8220;Then you can bend them.&#8221;</p>
<br><b>Kerry Greenwood</b> (b. 1954) Australian author and lawyer<br>Phryne Fisher, Book 13, <i>The Castlemaine Murders</i>, ch.  4 (2003) 
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		<title>Bible, Vol. 1. Old Testament -- Book 20. Proverbs 18:13 (Prov 18:13) [tr. RJPS (2023 ed.)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[To answer before listening &#8212; This is foolish and disgraceful. [מֵשִׁ֣יב דָּ֭בָר בְּטֶ֣רֶם יִשְׁמָ֑ע אִוֶּ֥לֶת הִיא־ל֝֗וֹ וּכְלִמָּֽה׃] See La Rochefoucauld (1665). (Source (Greek)). Alternate translations: He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him. [KJV (1611)] To retort without first listening is folly to work one&#8217;s own confusion. [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To answer before listening &#8212;<br />
This is foolish and disgraceful.</p>
<p>[מֵשִׁ֣יב דָּ֭בָר בְּטֶ֣רֶם יִשְׁמָ֑ע אִוֶּ֥לֶת הִיא־ל֝֗וֹ וּכְלִמָּֽה׃]</p>
<br><b>The Bible (The Old Testament)</b> (14th - 2nd C BC) Judeo-Christian sacred scripture [Tanakh, Hebrew Bible], incl. the Apocrypha (Deuterocanonicals) <br>Book 20. <i>Proverbs</i> 18:13 (Prov 18:13) [tr. RJPS (2023 ed.)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.sefaria.org/Proverbs.18.13?lang=bi&with=all&lang2=en#:~:text=To%20answer%20before,foolish%20and%20disgraceful." target="_blank">Source</a>)
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See <a href="https://wist.info/la-rochefoucauld-francois/77224/">La Rochefoucauld</a> (1665).<br><br>

(<a href="https://www.sefaria.org/Proverbs.18.13?lang=bi&with=all&lang2=en#:~:text=%D7%9E%D6%B5%D7%A9%D7%81%D6%B4%D6%A3%D7%99%D7%91%20%D7%93%D6%BC%D6%B8%D6%AD%D7%91%D6%B8%D7%A8%20%D7%91%D6%BC%D6%B0%D7%98%D6%B6%D6%A3%D7%A8%D6%B6%D7%9D%20%D7%99%D6%B4%D7%A9%D7%81%D6%B0%D7%9E%D6%B8%D6%91%D7%A2%20%D7%90%D6%B4%D7%95%D6%BC%D6%B6%D6%A5%D7%9C%D6%B6%D7%AA%20%D7%94%D6%B4%D7%99%D7%90%D6%BE%D7%9C%D6%9D%D6%97%D7%95%D6%B9%20%D7%95%D6%BC%D7%9B%D6%B0%D7%9C%D6%B4%D7%9E%D6%BC%D6%B8%D6%BD%D7%94%D7%83">Source (Greek)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>He that answereth a matter before he heareth it,<br>
<span class="tab">it is folly and shame unto him.<br>
[<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=proverbs%2018%3A13&version=AKJV">KJV</a> (1611)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>To retort without first listening is folly to work one's own confusion.<br>
[<a href="https://www.seraphim.my/bible/jb/JB-OT24%20PROVERBS.htm#:~:text=18%3A13%20To%20retort%20without%20first%20listening%20is%20folly%20to%20work%20one%27s%20own%20confusion.">JB</a> (1966)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>To retort without first listening is both foolish and embarrassing.<br>
[<a href="https://www.bibliacatolica.com.br/en/new-jerusalem-bible/proverbs/18/#:~:text=To%20retort%20without%20first%20listening%20is%20both%20foolish%20and%20embarrassing.">NJB</a> (1985)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Listen before you answer. If you don't, you are being stupid and insulting.<br>
[<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=proverbs%2018%3A13&version=GNT">GNT</a> (1992 ed.)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Those who answer before they listen<br>
<span class="tab">are foolish and disgraceful.<br>
[<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=proverbs%2018%3A13&version=CEB">CEB</a> (2011)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>If one gives answer before hearing,<br>
<span class="tab">it is folly and shame.<br>
[<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=proverbs%2018%3A13&version=NRSVUE">NRSV</a> (2021 ed.)]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Commager, Henry Steele -- Essay (1965-12-18), &#8220;The Problem of Dissent,&#8221; Saturday Review</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[And as for the argument that criticism [of government foreign policy] may give aid and comfort to some enemy, that is a form of blackmail unworthy of those who profess it. If it is to be accepted, we will have an end to genuine discussion of foreign policies, for it will inevitably be invoked to [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And as for the argument that criticism [of government foreign policy] may give aid and comfort to some enemy, that is a form of blackmail unworthy of those who profess it. If it is to be accepted, we will have an end to genuine discussion of foreign policies, for it will inevitably be invoked to stop debate and criticism whenever that debate gets acrimonious or the criticism cuts too close to the bone. And to the fevered mind of the FBI, the CIA, and some Senators, criticism always gives aid and comfort to the enemy or cuts too close to<br />
the bone.</p>
<br><b>Henry Steele Commager</b> (1902-1998) American historian, writer, activist<br>Essay (1965-12-18), &#8220;The Problem of Dissent,&#8221; <i>Saturday Review</i> 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/freedomordercomm00comm/page/292/mode/2up?q=%22criticism+may+give+aid%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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Reprinted in <i>Freedom and Order</i>, Part 6 (1966). <br><br>

Sections of the essay (including this portion) were read into the <a href="https://www.congress.gov/91/crecb/1969/06/26/GPO-CRECB-1969-pt13-5-2.pdf#page=48">Congressional Record, Senate Proceedings (1969-06-26)</a>, as part of a speech by former Senator Wayne Morse (D-Oregon) at the commencement of Fairleigh Dickinson University (1969-06-07); Morse's speech was read in by Senator Gary Hart (D-Colo.).

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		<title>Ivins, Molly -- Essay (1987-03), &#8220;Killing the Messenger,&#8221; The Progressive</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The odd thing about these television discussions designed to &#8220;get all sides of the issue&#8221; is that they do not feature a spectrum of people with different views on reality. Rather, they frequently give us a face-off between those who see reality and those who have missed it entirely. In the name of objectivity, we [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The odd thing about these television discussions designed to &#8220;get all sides of the issue&#8221; is that they do not feature a spectrum of people with different views on reality. Rather, they frequently give us a face-off between those who see reality and those who have missed it entirely. In the name of objectivity, we are getting fantasy-land.</p>
<br><b>Molly Ivins</b> (1944-2007) American writer, political columnist [Mary Tyler Ivins]<br>Essay (1987-03), &#8220;Killing the Messenger,&#8221; <i>The Progressive</i> 
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Collected in <i>Molly Ivins Can't Say That, Can She?</i> (1991).
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		<title>La Rochefoucauld, Francois -- Réflexions ou sentences et maximes morales [Reflections; or Sentences and Moral Maxims], ¶139 (1665-1678) [tr. FitzGibbon (1957), ¶139]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the reasons why there are so few reasonable and pleasant conversationalists is that almost everyone concentrates on what he wishes to say, rather than attempting to give accurate and clear replies to what is said to him. [Une des choses qui fait que l’on trouve si peu de gens qui paroissent raisonnables et [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the reasons why there are so few reasonable and pleasant conversationalists is that almost everyone concentrates on what he wishes to say, rather than attempting to give accurate and clear replies to what is said to him.</p>
<p><em>[Une des choses qui fait que l’on trouve si peu de gens qui paroissent raisonnables et agréables dans la conversation, c’est qu’il n’y a presque personne qui ne pense plutôt à ce qu’il veut dire qu’à répondre précisément à ce qu’on lui dit.]</em></p>
<br><b>François VI, duc de La Rochefoucauld</b> (1613-1680) French epigrammatist, memoirist, noble<br><i>Réflexions ou sentences et maximes morales [Reflections; or Sentences and Moral Maxims]</i>, ¶139 (1665-1678) [tr. FitzGibbon (1957), ¶139] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/maximsofducdelar0000laro/page/58/mode/2up?q=%22one+of+the+reasons%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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Present in the 1st (1665) edition. A 1665 variant read "quasi personne" rather than "presque personne."<br><br>

See also <a href="https://wist.info/bible-ot/82765/">Proverbs 18:13</a>.<br><br>

(<a href="https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/%C5%92uvres_de_La_Rochefoucauld_-_T.1/R%C3%A9flexions_ou_sentences_et_maximes_morales#cite_ref-233:~:text=Une%20des%20choses%20qui%20fait%20que%20l%E2%80%99on%20trouve%20si%20peu%20de%20gens%20qui%20paroissent%20raisonnables%20et%20agr%C3%A9ables%20dans%20la%20conversation%2C%20c%E2%80%99est%20qu%E2%80%99il%20n%E2%80%99y%20a%20presque%20personne%5B228%5D%20qui%20ne%20pense%20plut%C3%B4t%20%C3%A0%20ce%20qu%E2%80%99il%20veut%20dire%20qu%E2%80%99%C3%A0%20r%C3%A9pondre%20pr%C3%A9cis%C3%A9ment%20%C3%A0%20ce%20qu%E2%80%99on%20lui%20dit%5B229%5D.">Source (French)</a>). Other translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>There may be several causes assigned why we meet with so few persons, whom we allow to be rational and divertive in conversation. Of which this is one, that there is hardly any body, whose thoughts are not rather taken up with what he hath a mind to say himself, than in precisely answering what had been said to him; and that persons of greatest abilities and complaisance think it.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A49597.0001.001/1:4.186?rgn=div2;view=fulltext#:~:text=There%20may%20be,said%20to%20him">Davies</a> (1669), ¶186]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>One reason, why we find so very few Men of Sense and agreeable Conversation, is, That almost every bodies mind is more intent upon what he himself hath a mind to say, than upon making pertinent Replies to what the rest of the Company say to him. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A49601.0001.001/1:6.140?rgn=div2;view=fulltext#:~:text=One%20reason%2C%20why,say%20to%20him.">Stanhope</a> (1694), ¶140]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>One reason why we meet with so few people who are reasonable and agreeable in conversation is, that there is scarce any body who does not think more of what he has to say, than of answering what is said to him. <br>
[pub. <a href="https://archive.org/details/maximsandmoralr00rochgoog/page/n35/mode/2up?q=%22+One+reafon+why%22">Donaldson</a> (1783), ¶64; ed. <a href="https://archive.org/details/maximsmoralrefle00larouoft/page/47/mode/1up?q=%22one+reason+why%22">Lepoittevin-Lacroix</a> (1797), ¶134]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>We meet with few men who are agreeable in conversation: the reason is, we think more of what we have to advance, than of what they have to answer.<br>
[ed. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044019833292&view=1up&seq=29&skin=2021&q1=%22we%20meet%20with%20few%22">Carvill</a> (1835), ¶53] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>One thing which makes us find so few people who appear reasonable and agreeable in conversation is, that there is scarcely any one who does not think more of what he is about to say than of answering precisely what is said to him.<br>
[ed. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=nyp.33433075829600&view=1up&seq=87&skin=2021&q1=142">Gowens</a> (1851), ¶142] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>One of the reasons that we find so few persons rational and agreeable in conversation is there is hardly a person who does not think more of what he wants to say than of his answer to what is said.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://gutenberg.org/files/9105/9105-h/9105-h.htm#:~:text=One%20of%20the%20reasons%20that%20we%20find%20so%20few%20persons%20rational%20and%20agreeable%20in%20conversation%20is%20there%20is%20hardly%20a%20person%20who%20does%20not%20think%20more%20of%20what%20he%20wants%20to%20say%20than%20of%20his%20answer%20to%20what%20is%20said.">Bund/Friswell</a> (1871), ¶139]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>One reason why so few people converse agreeably or logically is that a man pays more attention to his own utterances than to giving an exact answer to questions put to him. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Maxims_of_Le_Duc_de_La_Rochefoucauld/eq89AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=139">Heard</a> (1917), ¶139]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>One of the reasons why so few people show themselves intelligent and agreeable in conversation is that almost every one is intent on what he wants to say himself rather than on replying with exactness to what is said to him.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Maxims_of_Fran%C3%A7ois_Duc_de_La_Rochefouca/7RtLAQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22to%20him%22%20140">Stevens</a> (1939), ¶139]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>One reason why so few people are intelligent and attractive in conversation is that almost everybody thinks of what he wants to say instead of how to answer properly what has been said to him.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/maximsoflarochef00laro/page/58/mode/2up?q=%22one+reason+why%22">Kronenberger</a> (1959), ¶139] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>One of the reasons so few people are to be found who seem sensible and pleasant in conversation is that almost everybody is thinking about what he wants to say himself rather than about answering clearly what is being said to him.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/maxims0000laro/page/52/mode/2up?q=%22one+of+the+reasons%22">Tancock</a> (1959), ¶139]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>One reason why we find so few people who appear reasonable and agreeable in conversation, is that there is almost no one who does not think more about what <i>he</i> wishes to say than about <i>pertinently replying to what is said to him.</i><br>
[tr. <a href="https://thomaswhichello.com/a-translation-of-reflections-or-sentences-and-moral-maxims-by-francois-de-la-rochefoucauld/#:~:text=One%20reason%20why%20we%C2%A0find%20so%20few%20people%20who%20appear%20reasonable%20and%20agreeable%20in%20conversation%2C%20is%20that%20there%20is%20almost%20no%C2%A0one%C2%A0who%20does%20not%20think%20more%20about%20what%20he%20wishes%C2%A0to%20say%20than%20about%20pertinently%20replying%C2%A0to%20what%20is%20said%20to%20him.">Whichello</a> (2016) ¶139]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Card, Orson Scott -- Ender’s Shadow, ch. 21 (1999)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bean longed to be able to talk these things over with someone &#8212; with Nikolai, or even with one of the teachers. It slowed him down to have his own thoughts move around in circles &#8212; without outside stimulation it was hard to break free of his own assumptions. One mind can think only of [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bean longed to be able to talk these things over with someone &#8212; with Nikolai, or even with one of the teachers. It slowed him down to have his own thoughts move around in circles &#8212; without outside stimulation it was hard to break free of his own assumptions. One mind can think only of its own questions; it rarely surprises itself. </p>
<br><b>Orson Scott Card</b> (b. 1951) American author<br><i>Ender’s Shadow</i>, ch. 21 (1999) 
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		<description><![CDATA[Table talk, lovers&#8217; talk &#8212; both are equally elusive. Lovers&#8217; talk is castlebuilding, table talk is pipe-dreaming. [Propos de table et propos d’amour; les uns sont aussi insaisissables que les autres; les propos d’amour sont des nuées, les propos de table sont des fumées.] (Source (French)). Alternate translations: Table talk and lovers&#8217; talk equally elude [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Table talk, lovers&#8217; talk &#8212; both are equally elusive. Lovers&#8217; talk is castlebuilding, table talk is pipe-dreaming.</p>
<p><em>[Propos de table et propos d’amour; les uns sont aussi insaisissables que les autres; les propos d’amour sont des nuées, les propos de table sont des fumées.]</em></p>
<br><b>Victor Hugo</b> (1802-1885) French writer<br><i>Les Misérables</i>, Part 1 &#8220;Fantine,&#8221; Book  3 &#8220;The Year 1817,&#8221; ch.  6  (1.3.6) (1862) [tr. Donougher (2013)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Les_Miserables/dyKMDQAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22table%20talk%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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(<a href="https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Les_Mis%C3%A9rables/Tome_1/Livre_3/06#:~:text=Propos%20de%20table%20et%20propos%20d%E2%80%99amour%C2%A0%3B%20les%20uns%20sont%20aussi%20insaisissables%20que%20les%20autres%C2%A0%3B%20les%20propos%20d%E2%80%99amour%20sont%20des%20nu%C3%A9es%2C%20les%20propos%20de%20table%20sont%20des%20fum%C3%A9es.">Source (French)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>Table talk and lovers' talk equally elude the grasp; lovers' talk is clouds, table talk is smoke.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.43835/page/n123/mode/2up?q=%22table+talk%22">Wilbour</a> (1862)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Love talk and table talk are equally indescribable, for the first is cloud, the second smoke. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/lesmiserables0000vict_z1p0/page/n157/mode/2up?q=%22table+talk%22">Wraxall</a> (1862)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Chat at table, the chat of love; it is as impossible to reproduce one as the other; the chat of love is a cloud; the chat at table is smoke.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Les_Mis%C3%A9rables/Volume_1/Book_Third/Chapter_6#:~:text=Chat%20at%20table%2C%20the%20chat%20of%20love%3B%20it%20is%20as%20impossible%20to%20reproduce%20one%20as%20the%20other%3B%20the%20chat%20of%20love%20is%20a%20cloud%3B%20the%20chat%20at%20table%20is%20smoke.">Hapgood</a> (1887)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Table-talk and lovers’ talk, both fleeting as air. Lovers’ talk is the mist and table-talk the scent.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/lesmisrables0000hugo/page/132/mode/2up?q=%22table+talk%22">Denny</a> (1976)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Table talk and lovers' talk are equally elusive; lovers' talk is clouds, table talk is smoke.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/lesmisrabl1987hugo/page/132/mode/2up?q=%22table+talk%22">Wilbour/Fahnestock/MacAfee</a> (1987)]</blockquote><br>
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		<title>Holmes, Oliver Wendell, Sr. -- Article (1858-04), &#8220;Autocrat of the Breakfast-Table,&#8221; Atlantic Monthly</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I will tell you my rule. Talk about those subjects you have had long in your mind, and listen to what others say about subjects you have studied but recently. Knowledge and timber shouldn&#8217;t be much used till they are seasoned. Collected in Autocrat of the Breakfast-Table, ch. 6 (1858).]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will tell you my rule. Talk about those subjects you have had long in your mind, and listen to what others say about subjects you have studied but recently. Knowledge and timber shouldn&#8217;t be much used till they are seasoned.</p>
<br><b>Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.</b> (1809-1894) American poet, essayist, scholar<br>Article (1858-04), &#8220;Autocrat of the Breakfast-Table,&#8221; <i>Atlantic Monthly</i> 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Atlantic_Monthly/Volume_1/Number_6/The_Autocrat_of_the_Breakfast-Table#:~:text=I%20will%20tell%20you%20my%20rule.%20Talk%20about%20those%20subjects%20you%20have%20had%20long%20in%20your%20mind%2C%20and%20listen%20to%20what%20others%20say%20about%20subjects%20you%20have%20studied%20but%20recently.%20Knowledge%20and%20timber%20shouldn%27t%20be%20much%20used%20till%20they%20are%20seasoned." target="_blank">Source</a>)
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Collected in <i>Autocrat of the Breakfast-Table</i>, ch.  6 (1858).						</span>
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		<title>Smith, Sydney -- Essay (1843-07), &#8220;Parisian Morals and Manners,&#8221; Edinburgh Review No. 157, Art. 5</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dean Swift&#8217;s rule is as good for women as for men &#8212; never to talk above a half minute without pausing, and giving others an opportunity to strike in. See Swift.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean Swift&#8217;s rule is as good for women as for men &#8212; never to talk above a half minute without pausing, and giving others an opportunity to strike in.</p>
<br><b>Sydney Smith</b> (1771-1845) English clergyman, essayist, wit<br>Essay (1843-07), &#8220;Parisian Morals and Manners,&#8221; <i>Edinburgh Review</i> No. 157, Art. 5 
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See <a href="https://wist.info/swift-jonathan/72297/">Swift</a>.						</span>
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		<title>Chamfort, Nicolas -- Products of Perfected Civilization [Produits de la Civilisation Perfectionnée], Part 2 &#8220;Characters and Anecdotes [Caractères et Anecdotes],&#8221; ch.  7 (1795) [tr. Parmée (2003)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Every day I add to the list of things I refuse to discuss. The wiser the man, the longer the list. [Tous les jours j’accrois la liste des choses dont je ne parle plus. Le plus philosophe est celui dont la liste est la plus longue.] Quoting someone reacting to a request to expound on [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every day I add to the list of things I refuse to discuss. The wiser the man, the longer the list. </p>
<p><em>[Tous les jours j’accrois la liste des choses dont je ne parle plus. Le plus philosophe est celui dont la liste est la plus longue.]</em></p>
<br><b>Nicolas Chamfort</b> (1741-1794) French writer, epigrammist (b. Nicolas-Sébastien Roch)<br><i>Products of Perfected Civilization [Produits de la Civilisation Perfectionnée]</i>, Part 2 &#8220;Characters and Anecdotes <i>[Caractères et Anecdotes],&#8221;</i> ch.  7 (1795) [tr. Parmée (2003)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Chamfort/0K0aAQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22list%20of%20things%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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Quoting someone reacting to a request to expound on "various public and private abuses" he had received.<br><br>

(<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Produits_de_la_civilisation_perfectionn/66wKAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22liste%20est%20la%20plus%20longue%22">Source (French)</a>). Alternate translation:<br><br>

<blockquote>Every day I add to the list of things which I will no longer discuss. The more of a philosopher one is, the longer one's list.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/productsofperfec0000seba_s1c9/page/242/mode/2up?q=%22no+longer+discuss%22">Merwin</a> (1969)]</blockquote><br>


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		<title>Swift, Jonathan -- &#8220;An Epistle to a Lady Who Desired the Author to Write Some Verses Upon Her in the Heroic Style,&#8221; ll. 123-132 (1732)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Conversation is but carving; Carve for all, yourself is starving: Give no more to every Guest, Than he&#8217;s able to digest; Give him always of the Prime; And but little at a Time. Carve to all but just enough: Let them neither starve nor stuff: And, that you may have your Due, Let your Neighbours [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conversation is but <i>carving;</i><br />
Carve for all, yourself is starving:<br />
Give no more to every Guest,<br />
Than he&#8217;s able to digest;<br />
Give him always of the Prime;<br />
And but little at a Time.<br />
<i>Carve</i> to all but just enough:<br />
Let them neither starve nor stuff:<br />
And, that you may have your Due,<br />
Let your Neighbours carve for you.</p>
<br><b>Jonathan Swift</b> (1667-1745) English writer and churchman<br>&#8220;An Epistle to a Lady Who Desired the Author to Write Some Verses Upon Her in the Heroic Style,&#8221; ll. 123-132 (1732) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.ourcivilisation.com/smartboard/shop/swift/verse/chap7.htm#:~:text=Conversation%20is%20but,carve%20for%20you." target="_blank">Source</a>)
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<a href="https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jonathan_Swift#:~:text=Conversation%20is%20but,Conversation">Often rendered</a> with the first line ending in an exclamation point, and the second line missing.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is, incidentally, no way of talking about cats that enables one to come off as a sane person.</p>
<br><b>Dan Greenburg</b> (1936-2023) American writer, humorist, journalist<br>In Bill Hayward, <i>Cat People</i> (1978) 
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		<title>Austen, Jane -- Pride and Prejudice, ch. 18 [Darcy and Elizabeth] (1813)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;What think you of books?&#8221; said he, smiling. &#8220;Books &#8212; oh! no. I am sure we never read the same, or not with the same feelings.&#8221; &#8220;I am sorry you think so; but if that be the case, there can at least be no want of subject. We may compare our different opinions.&#8221;]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="tab">&#8220;What think you of books?&#8221; said he, smiling.<br />
<span class="tab">&#8220;Books &#8212; oh! no. I am sure we never read the same, or not with the same feelings.&#8221;<br />
<span class="tab">&#8220;I am sorry you think so; but if that be the case, there can at least be no want of subject. We may compare our different opinions.&#8221;</p>
<br><b>Jane Austen</b> (1775-1817) English author<br><i>Pride and Prejudice</i>, ch. 18 [Darcy and Elizabeth] (1813) 
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		<title>Franklin, Benjamin -- Poor Richard (1733)</title>
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<br><b>Benjamin Franklin</b> (1706-1790) American statesman, scientist, philosopher, aphorist<br><i>Poor Richard</i> (1733) 
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		<title>Goethe, Johann von -- Elective Affinities [Die Wahlverwandtschaften], Part 2, ch. 4, &#8220;From Ottilie&#8217;s Journal [Aus Ottiliens Tagebuche]&#8221; (1809) [Niles ed. (1872)]</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Argument and flattery are but poor elements out of which to form a conversation. </p>
<p><em>[Widerspruch und Schmeichelei machen beide ein schlechtes Gespräch.]</em></p>
<br><b>Johann Wolfgang von Goethe</b> (1749-1832) German poet, statesman, scientist<br><i>Elective Affinities [Die Wahlverwandtschaften]</i>, Part 2, ch. 4, &#8220;From Ottilie&#8217;s Journal <i>[Aus Ottiliens Tagebuche]&#8221;</i> (1809) [Niles ed. (1872)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Goethe_s_Elective_Affinities/4D8qAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA184" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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(<a href="https://archive.org/details/diewahlverwandts0000goet/page/152/mode/2up?q=widerspruch">Source (German)</a>). Alternate translation:<br><br>

<blockquote>Contradiction and flattery both make bad conversation.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/electiveaffiniti00goet/page/180/mode/2up?q=%22contradiction+and+flattery%22">Hollingdale</a> (1971)]</blockquote><br>
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		<title>La Bruyere, Jean de -- The Characters [Les Caractères], ch.  5 &#8220;Of Society and Conversation [De la Société et de la Conversation],&#8221; §  61  (5.61) (1688) [tr. Stewart (1970)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The delight of social relations between friends is fostered by a shared attitude to life, together with certain differences of opinion on intellectual matters, through which either one is confirmed in one&#8217;s own views, or else one gains practice and instruction through argument. [Le plaisir de la société entre les amis se cultive par une [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The delight of social relations between friends is fostered by a shared attitude to life, together with certain differences of opinion on intellectual matters, through which either one is confirmed in one&#8217;s own views, or else one gains practice and instruction through argument.</p>
<p><em>[Le plaisir de la société entre les amis se cultive par une ressemblance de goût sur ce qui regarde les moeurs, et par quelques différences d&#8217;opinions sur les sciences: par là ou l&#8217;on s&#8217;affermit dans ses sentiments, ou l&#8217;on s&#8217;exerce et l&#8217;on s&#8217;instruit par la dispute.]</em></p>
<br><b>Jean de La Bruyère</b> (1645-1696) French essayist, moralist<br><i>The Characters [Les Caractères]</i>, ch.  5 &#8220;Of Society and Conversation <i>[De la Société et de la Conversation],&#8221;</i> §  61  (5.61) (1688) [tr. Stewart (1970)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/characters00labr/page/92/mode/2up?q=%22delight+of+social%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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(<a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/17980/pg17980-images.html#De_la_societe_et_de_la_conversation:~:text=Le%20plaisir%20de%20la%20soci%C3%A9t%C3%A9%20entre%20les%20amis%20se%20cultive%20par%20une%20ressemblance%20de%20go%C3%BBt%20sur%20ce%20qui%20regarde%20les%20moeurs%2C%20et%20par%20quelques%20diff%C3%A9rences%20d%27opinions%20sur%20les%20sciences%3A%20par%20l%C3%A0%20ou%20l%27on%20s%27affermit%20dans%20ses%20sentiments%2C%20ou%20l%27on%20s%27exerce%20et%20l%27on%20s%27instruit%20par%20la%20dispute.">Source (French)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>The pleasure of Society amongst Friends is cultivated by a likeness of Inclinations, as to Manners; and a difference in Opinion, as to Sciences: the one confirms and humours us in our sentiments; the other exercises and instructs us by disputation.<br>
[<a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A47658.0001.001?rgn=main;view=fulltext#:~:text=The%20pleasure%20of%20Society,instructs%20us%20by%20disputation.">Bullord</a> ed. (1696)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The Pleasure of Society amongst Friends, is cultivated by a likeness of Inclinations, as to Manners, and by some difference in Opinion, as to Sciences: The one confirms us in our Sentiments, the other exercises and instructs us by Disputation.<br>
[<a href="https://archive.org/details/worksmonsieurde00rowegoog/page/n109/mode/2up?q=%22Pleafure+of+Society%22">Curll</a> ed. (1713)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The pleasure of social intercourse amongst friends is kept up by a similarity of morals and manners, and by slender differences in opinion about science; this confirms us in our sentiments, exercises our faculties or instructs us through arguments.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/46633/pg46633-images.html#Page_7:~:text=The%20pleasure%20of%20social%20intercourse%20amongst%20friends%20is%20kept%20up%20by%20a%20similarity%20of%20morals%20and%20manners%2C%20and%20by%20slender%20differences%20in%20opinion%20about%20science%3B%20this%20confirms%20us%20in%20our%20sentiments%2C%20exercises%20our%20faculties%20or%20instructs%20us%20through%20arguments.">Van Laun</a> (1885)]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Goethe, Johann von -- Faust: a Tragedy [eine Tragödie], Part 1, sc.  3 &#8220;Prologue in Heaven,&#8221; l. 350ff [Mephistopheles] (1808-1829) [tr. Kaufmann (1961)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like to see the Old Man now and then And try not to be too uncivil. It&#8217;s charming in a noble squire when He speaks humanely with the very Devil. [Von Zeit zu Zeit seh ich den Alten gern, Und hüte mich, mit ihm zu brechen. Es ist gar hübsch von einem großen Herrn, [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like to see the Old Man now and then<br />
And try not to be too uncivil.<br />
It&#8217;s charming in a noble squire when<br />
He speaks humanely with the very Devil.</p>
<p><em>[Von Zeit zu Zeit seh ich den Alten gern,<br />
Und hüte mich, mit ihm zu brechen.<br />
Es ist gar hübsch von einem großen Herrn,<br />
So menschlich mit dem Teufel selbst zu sprechen.]</em></p>
<br><b>Johann Wolfgang von Goethe</b> (1749-1832) German poet, statesman, scientist<br><i>Faust: a Tragedy [eine Tragödie]</i>, Part 1, sc.  3 &#8220;Prologue in Heaven,&#8221; l. 350ff [Mephistopheles] (1808-1829) [tr. Kaufmann (1961)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Faust/f9Edhh3LTe8C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22see%20the%20old%20man%22&printsec=frontcover" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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Some translations (and this site) include the Declaration, Prelude on the Stage, and Prologue in Heaven as individual scenes; others do not, leading to their Part 1 scenes being numbered three lower.<br><br>

On his discussions with the Lord. (<a href="https://gutenberg.org/files/2229/2229-h/2229-h.htm#:~:text=Von%20Zeit%20zu%20Zeit%20seh%20ich%20den%20Alten%20gern%2C%0AUnd%20h%C3%BCte%20mich%2C%20mit%20ihm%20zu%20brechen.%0AEs%20ist%20gar%20h%C3%BCbsch%20von%20einem%20gro%C3%9Fen%20Herrn%2C%0ASo%20menschlich%20mit%20dem%20Teufel%20selbst%20zu%20sprechen.">Source (German)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>I like to see the Old Man not infrequently,<br>
And I forbear to break with Him or be uncivil;<br>
It's very pretty in so great a Lord as He<br>
To talk so like a man even with the Devil.<br>
[tr. <a href="http://goethe.holtof.com/faust/Faust_I_01.htm#:~:text=I%20like%20to%20see%20the%20Old%20Man%20not%20infrequently%2C%0A%20%20%20%20And%20I%20forbear%20to%20break%20with%20Him%20or%20be%20uncivil%3B%0A%20%20%20%20It%27s%20very%20pretty%20in%20so%20great%20a%20Lord%20as%20He%0A%20%20%20%20To%20talk%20so%20like%20a%20man%20even%20with%20the%20Devil.">Priest</a> (1808)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>From time to time I visit the Old Fellow, <br>
And I take care to keep on good terms with him. <br>
Civil enough is this same God Almighty, <br>
To talk so freely with the Devil himself.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/faust01goetgoog/page/n277/mode/2up?q=%22from+time+to+time%22">Shelley</a> (1815)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I like to see the Ancient One occasionally, and take care not to break with him. It is really civil in so great a Lord, to speak so kindly with the Devil himself.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/faust01goetgoog/page/n49/mode/2up?q=%22see+the+ancient+one%22">Hayward</a> (1831)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The ancient one I like sometimes to see,<br>
And not to break with him am always civil;<br>
'Tis courteous in so great a lord as he,<br>
To speak so kindly even to the devil.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/3023/pg3023.html#:~:text=The%20ancient%20one%20I%20like%20sometimes%20to%20see%2C%0AAnd%20not%20to%20break%20with%20him%20am%20always%20civil%3B%0A%27Tis%20courteous%20in%20so%20great%20a%20lord%20as%20he%2C%0ATo%20speak%20so%20kindly%20even%20to%20the%20devil.">Swanwick</a> (1850)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I like at times to exchange with him a word,<br>
And take care not to break with him. 'Tis civil<br>
In the old fellow and so great a Lord<br>
To talk so kindly with the very devil.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/14460/14460-8.txt#:~:text=I%20like%20at%20times%20to%20exchange%20with%20him%20a%20word%2C%0AAnd%20take%20care%20not%20to%20break%20with%20him.%20%27Tis%20civil%0AIn%20the%20old%20fellow%5B4%5D%20and%20so%20great%20a%20Lord%0ATo%20talk%20so%20kindly%20with%20the%20very%20devil.">Brooks</a> (1868)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I like, at times, to hear The Ancient's word,<br>
And have a care to be most civil:<br>
It's really kind of such a noble Lord<br>
So humanly to gossip with the Devil!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/14591/14591-h/14591-h.htm#PROLOGUE_IN_HEAVEN:~:text=I%20like%2C%20at%20times%2C%20to%20hear%20The%20Ancient%27s%20word%2C%0AAnd%20have%20a%20care%20to%20be%20most%20civil%3A%0AIt%27s%20really%20kind%20of%20such%20a%20noble%20Lord%0ASo%20humanly%20to%20gossip%20with%20the%20Devil!">Taylor</a> (1870)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>From time to time the ancient gentleman<br>
I see, and keep on the best terms I can.<br>
In a great Lord ’tis surely wondrous civil<br>
So face to face to hold talk with the devil.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/63203/63203-h/63203-h.htm#:~:text=From%20time%20to,with%20the%20devil.">Blackie</a> (1880)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I like to see the Ancient now and then,<br>
And shun a breach, for truly 'tis most civil<br>
In such a mighty personage to deign<br>
To chat so affably, e'en with the very Devil.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Goethe_s_Faust/EaEqAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22see%20the%20Ancient%22">Latham</a> (1908)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>From time to time it's good to see the Old Man;<br>
I must be careful not to break with him.<br>
How decent of so great a personage<br>
to be so human with the devil.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Faust/h_dvDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22from%20time%20to%20time%22&printsec=frontcover">Salm</a> (1962)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>At times I don't mind seeing the old gent,<br>
And try to keep relations smooth and level.<br>
Say what you like, it's quite a compliment:<br>
A swell like him so man-to-man with the Devil!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/fausttragedyback0000goet/page/8/mode/2up?q=%22don%27t+mind+seeing%22">Arndt</a> (1976)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I like to see him sometimes, and take care<br>
Not to fall out with him. It's civil<br>
Of the old fellow, such a <i>grand seigneur,</i><br>
To have these man-to-man talks with the Devil!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Faust/_Sbju4F0AVAC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22see%20him%20sometimes%22">Luke</a> (1987)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I like to see the Old Man now and then,<br>
And take good care I don't fall out with him.<br>
How very decent of a Lord Celestial<br>
To talk man to man with the Devil of all people.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Faust/EkX4AwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22see%20the%20old%20man%22&printsec=frontcover">Greenberg</a> (1992)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I like to drop in on him if I can,<br>
Just to keep things between us on the level.<br>
It's really decent of the Grand Old Man<br>
To be so civil to the very Devil.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Faust/GEfHKa3zj6YC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22drop%20in%20on%20him%22">Williams</a> (1999)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I like to hear the Old Man’s words, from time to time,<br>
And take care, when I’m with him, not to spew.<br>
It’s very nice when such a great Gentleman,<br>
Chats with the devil, in ways so human, too!<br>
[tr. <a href="http://goethe.holtof.com/faust/FaustIProl.htm#:~:text=I%20like%20to,so%20human%2C%20too!">Kline</a> (2003)]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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<br><b>Clement of Alexandria</b> (c. AD 150 - c. 215 ) Christian theologian, philosopher, Church Father [Κλήμης ὁ Ἀλεξανδρεύς, Titus Flavius Clemens]<br>&#8220;To the Newly Baptized / Exhortation to Endurance&#8221; [tr. Butterworth] 
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		<title>Gracián, Baltasar -- The Art of Worldly Wisdom [Oráculo Manual y Arte de Prudencia], § 136 (1647) [tr. Maurer (1992)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many see the trees but not the forest, or bark up the wrong tree, speaking endlessly, reasoning uselessly, without getting to the heart of the matter. They go round and round, tiring themselves and us, and never get to what is important. This happens to people with confused minds who do not know how to [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many see the trees but not the forest, or bark up the wrong tree, speaking endlessly, reasoning uselessly, without getting to the heart of the matter. They go round and round, tiring themselves and us, and never get to what is important. This happens to people with confused minds who do not know how to clear away the brambles. They waste time and patience on what it would be better to leave alone, and later there is no time for what they left.</p>
<p><em>[Vanse muchos o por las ramas de un inútil discurrir, o por las hojas de una cansada verbosidad, sin topar con la sustancia del caso. Dan cien vueltas rodeando un punto, cansándose y cansando, y nunca llegan al centro de la importancia. Procede de entendimientos confusos, que no se saben desembarazar. Gastan el tiempo y la paciencia en lo que habían de dejar, y después no la hay para lo que dejaron.]</em></p>
<br><b>Baltasar Gracián y Morales</b> (1601-1658) Spanish Jesuit priest, writer, philosopher<br><i>The Art of Worldly Wisdom [Oráculo Manual y Arte de Prudencia]</i>, § 136 (1647) [tr. Maurer (1992)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://community.fortunecity.ws/roswell/vortex/401/library/aoww/aoww06.htm#136:~:text=Many%20see%20the,what%20they%20left." target="_blank">Source</a>)
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(<a href="https://es.wikisource.org/wiki/Or%C3%A1culo_manual_y_arte_de_prudencia/Aforismos_(126-150)#:~:text=Vanse%20muchos%20o,lo%20que%20dejaron.">Source (Spanish)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>Many fetch a tedious compass of words, without ever coming to the knot of the business: they make a thousand turnings and windings, that tire themselves and others, without ever arriving at the point of importance. And that proceeds from the confusion of their understanding, which cannot clear it self. They lose time and patience in what ought to be let alone, and then they have no more to bestow upon what they have omitted.<br>
[<a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A41733.0001.001/1:4.136?rgn=div2;view=fulltext">Flesher</a> ed. (1685)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Many lose their way either in the ramifications of useless discussion or in the brushwood of wearisome verbosity without ever realising the real matter at issue. They go over a single point a hundred times wearying themselves and others and yet never touch the all important centre of affairs. This comes from a confusion of mind from which they cannot extricate themselves. They waste time and patience on matters they should leave alone and cannot spare them afterwards for what they have left alone.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://sacred-texts.com/eso/aww/aww12.htm#:~:text=Many%20lose%20their,have%20left%20alone.">Jacobs</a> (1892)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Most roam around, in useless millings either about the edge, or in the scrub of a tiresome verbosity, without striking upon the substance of the matter, they make a hundred turns about a point, wearying themselves, and wearying others, yet never arriving at the centre of what is important,- it is the product of a scattered brain that does not know how to get itself together,- they spend time, and exhaust patience, over that which they should leave alone, and afterwards are short of both for what they did leave alone.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/artofworldlywisd00grac/page/78/mode/2up?q=%22middle+of+things%22">Fischer</a> (1937)]</blockquote><br>
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		<title>Lippmann, Walter -- &#8220;The Indispensable Opposition,&#8221; The Atlantic Monthly (Aug 1939)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When men are brought face to face with their opponents, forced to listen and learn and mend their ideas, they cease to be children and savages and begin to live like civilized men. Then only is freedom a reality, when men may voice their opinions because they must examine their opinions.</p>
<br><b>Walter Lippmann</b> (1889-1974) American journalist and author<br>&#8220;The Indispensable Opposition,&#8221; <i>The Atlantic Monthly</i> (Aug 1939) 
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		<title>Aristotle -- Nicomachean Ethics [Ἠθικὰ Νικομάχεια], Book  2, ch.  4 (2.4, 1105b.12) (c. 325 BC) [tr. Williams (1869)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[But the many do not act upon this rule; they rather betake themselves to mere talk about what is right, deluding themselves into the belief that they are philosophers, and are consequently upon the high road to virtue; but, in reality, acting not unlike a sick man who listens attentively to his physicians, and then [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But the many do not act upon this rule; they rather betake themselves to mere talk about what is right, deluding themselves into the belief that they are philosophers, and are consequently upon the high road to virtue; but, in reality, acting not unlike a sick man who listens attentively to his physicians, and then carries out none of their advice.</p>
<p>[ἀλλ᾽ οἱ πολλοὶ ταῦτα μὲν οὐ πράττουσιν, ἐπὶ δὲ τὸν λόγον καταφεύγοντες οἴονται φιλοσοφεῖν καὶ οὕτως ἔσεσθαι σπουδαῖοι, ὅμοιόν τι ποιοῦντες τοῖς κάμνουσιν, οἳ τῶν ἰατρῶν ἀκούουσι μὲν ἐπιμελῶς, ποιοῦσι δ᾽ οὐδὲν τῶν προσταττομένων. ὥσπερ οὖν οὐδ᾽ ἐκεῖνοι εὖ ἕξουσι τὸ σῶμα οὕτω θεραπευόμενοι, οὐδ᾽ οὗτοι τὴν ψυχὴν οὕτω φιλοσοφοῦντες.]</p>
<br><b>Aristotle</b> (384-322 BC) Greek philosopher<br><i>Nicomachean Ethics [Ἠθικὰ Νικομάχεια]</i>, Book  2, ch.  4 (2.4, 1105b.12) (c. 325 BC) [tr. Williams (1869)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Nicomachean_Ethics_of_Aristotle/m7RCAAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA43&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22the%20many%20do%20not%20act%20upon%20this%20rule%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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On practicing virtuous acts to become virtuous. (<a href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0053%3Abekker%20page%3D1105b%3Abekker%20line%3D10#:~:text=%E1%BC%80%CE%BB%CE%BB%E1%BE%BD%20%CE%BF%E1%BC%B1%20%CF%80%CE%BF%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%BF%E1%BD%B6%20%CF%84%CE%B1%E1%BF%A6%CF%84%CE%B1%20%CE%BC%E1%BD%B2%CE%BD%20%CE%BF%E1%BD%90%20%CF%80%CF%81%CE%AC%CF%84%CF%84%CE%BF%CF%85%CF%83%CE%B9%CE%BD%2C%20%E1%BC%90%CF%80%E1%BD%B6%20%CE%B4%E1%BD%B2%20%CF%84%E1%BD%B8%CE%BD%20%CE%BB%CF%8C%CE%B3%CE%BF%CE%BD%20%CE%BA%CE%B1%CF%84%CE%B1%CF%86%CE%B5%CF%8D%CE%B3%CE%BF%CE%BD%CF%84%CE%B5%CF%82%20%CE%BF%E1%BC%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CF%84%CE%B1%CE%B9%20%CF%86%CE%B9%CE%BB%CE%BF%CF%83%CE%BF%CF%86%CE%B5%E1%BF%96%CE%BD%20%CE%BA%CE%B1%E1%BD%B6%20%CE%BF%E1%BD%95%CF%84%CF%89%CF%82%20%E1%BC%94%CF%83%CE%B5%CF%83%CE%B8%CE%B1%CE%B9%20%CF%83%CF%80%CE%BF%CF%85%CE%B4%CE%B1%E1%BF%96%CE%BF%CE%B9%2C%20%E1%BD%85%CE%BC%CE%BF%CE%B9%CF%8C%CE%BD%20%CF%84%CE%B9%20%CF%80%CE%BF%CE%B9%CE%BF%E1%BF%A6%CE%BD%CF%84%CE%B5%CF%82%20%CF%84%CE%BF%E1%BF%96%CF%82">Source (Greek)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>Yet people in general do not perform these actions, but taking refuge in talk they flatter themselves they are philosophising, and that they will so be good men: acting in truth very like those sick people who listen to the doctor with great attention but do nothing that he tells them.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/8438/pg8438-images.html#:~:text=We%20are%20right,by%20such%20philosophising.">Chase</a> (1847), ch. 3]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But most people, instead of doing such actions, take refuge in theorizing; they imagine that they are philosophers and that philosophy will make them virtuous; in fact they behave like people who listen attentively to their doctors but never do anything that their doctors tell them. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Nicomachean_Ethics_of_Aristotle/T04yAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA43&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22may%20fairly%20be%20said%22">Welldon</a> (1892)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But most men, instead of doing thus, fly to theories, and fancy that they are philosophizing and that this will make them good, like a sick man who listens attentively to what the doctor says and then disobeys all his orders. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://oll.libertyfund.org/title/peters-the-nicomachean-ethics#:~:text=Peters1893%3A%20II.%204%2C-,5,right%2C%20then%2C%20to%20say%20that%20by%20doing%20what%20is%20just,-a%20man%20becomes">Peters</a> (1893)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But most people do not do these, but take refuge in theory and think they are being philosophers and will become good in this way, behaving somewhat like patients who listen attentively to their doctors, but do none of the things they are ordered to do. <br>
[tr. <a href="http://classics.mit.edu//Aristotle/nicomachaen.2.ii.html#:~:text=It%20is%20well,course%20of%20philosophy.">Ross</a> (1908)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But the mass of mankind, instead of doing virtuous acts, have recourse to discussing virtue, and fancy that they are pursuing philosophy and that this will make them good men. In so doing they act like invalids who listen carefully to what the doctor says, but entirely neglect to carry out his prescriptions. <br>
[tr. <a href="http://data.perseus.org/citations/urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0086.tlg010.perseus-eng1:2.4.6">Rackham</a> (1934), ch. 4, sec. 6]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Ordinary people, however, do not do these actions but, taking refuge in argument, think that they are doing philosophy and that this is the way to become excellent -- thus behaving a bit like sick people who listen carefully to their doctors but do none of the things that are prescribed. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Nicomachean_Ethics/Rq3xAgAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PR8&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22think%20that%20they%20are%20doing%20philosophy%22">Reeve</a> (1948)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Yet most men do not do these; instead, they resort to merely talking about them and think that they are philosophizing and that by so doing they will become virtuous, thus behaving somewhat like patients who listen to their doctors attentively but do none of the things they are ordered to do.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Nicomachean_Ethics/pD3wCAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA26&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22most%20men%20do%20not%20do%20these%22">Apostle</a> (1975)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>This is not, however, the course that moes people follow: they have recourse to their principle, and imagine that they are being philosophical and that in this way they will become serious-minded -- behaving rather like invalids who listen carefully to their doctor, but carry out none of his instruction.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Nicomachean_Ethics/iBoqmEvavawC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA38&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22they%20are%20being%20philosophical%22">Thomson/Tredennick</a> (1976)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The many, however, do not do these actions but take refuge in arguments, thinking that they are doing philosophy, and that this is the way to become excellent people. In this they are like a sick person who listens attentively to the doctor, but acts on none of his instructions.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Aristotle_Selections/sctgDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA357&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22refuge%20in%20arguments%22">Irwin/Fine</a> (1995)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But the masses do not do them. They take refuge in argument, thinking that they are being philosophers and that this is the way to be good. they are rather like patients who listen carefully to their doctors, but do not do what they are told.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Aristotle_Nicomachean_Ethics/A0ZpBAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA5&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22carefully%20to%20their%20doctors%22%20but">Crisp</a> (2000)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Yet most people [or the many] do not do them; and, seeking refuge in argument, they suppose that they are philosophizing and that they will in this way be serious, thereby doing something similar to the sick who listen attentively to their physicians but do nothing prescribed.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Aristotle_s_Nicomachean_Ethics/3JuePlN_03cC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA39&printsec=frontcover&bsq=seeking%20refuge">Bartlett/Collins</a> (2011)]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Sarnoff, Dorothy -- Speech Can Change Your Life (1970)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good rule for discussion is to use hard facts and a soft voice.</p>
<br><b>Dorothy Sarnoff</b> (1914-2008) American opera singer, actress, image consultant<br><i>Speech Can Change Your Life</i> (1970) 
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		<title>Mull, Martin -- (Attributed)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Talking about music is like dancing about architecture. Many people have put many hours into determining the origin of this quotation, but the best evidence at present points to Mull, in or before early 1979. See: Writing About Music is Like Dancing About Architecture – Quote Investigator Alan P. Scott &#8211; Talking about Music&#8230;]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talking about music is like dancing about architecture.</p>
<br><b>Martin Mull</b> (b. 1943) American actor, comedian<br>(Attributed) 
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Many people have put many hours into determining the origin of this quotation, but the best evidence at present points to Mull, in or before early 1979. See:
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The distinction I am making &#8212; between studying astrology and proselytizing for it &#8212; is crucial and can be generalized; it shows us where the line between the responsible and irresponsible practice of academic freedom should always be drawn. Any idea can be brought into the classroom if the point is to inquire into its structure, history, influence and so forth. But no idea belongs in the classroom if the point of introducing it is to recruit your students for the political agenda it may be thought to imply.</p>
<br><b>Stanley Fish</b> (b. 1938) American literary theorist, legal scholar, author<br>&#8220;Conspiracy Theories 101,&#8221; <i>New York Times</i> (23 Jul 2006) 
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		<description><![CDATA[One should emulate works and deeds of virtue, not arguments about it. [Ἔργα καὶ πρήξιας ἀρετῆς, οὐ λόγους, ζηλοῦν χρειών.] Cited in Diels as &#8220;55. (121 N.) DEMOKRATES. 21&#8221;; collected in Joannes Stobaeus (Stobaios) Anthologium II, 15, 36. Bakewell lists this under &#8220;The Golden Sayings of Democritus.&#8221; Freeman notes this as one of the Gnômae, [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One should emulate works and deeds of virtue, not arguments about it.</p>
<p>[Ἔργα καὶ πρήξιας ἀρετῆς, οὐ λόγους, ζηλοῦν χρειών.]</p>
<br><b>Democritus</b> (c. 460 BC - c. 370 BC) Greek philosopher <br>Frag.  55 (Diels) [tr. Bakewell (1907)] 
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Cited in Diels as "55. (121 N.) DEMOKRATES. 21"; collected in Joannes Stobaeus (Stobaios) <em>Anthologium</em> II, 15, 36. Bakewell lists this under "The Golden Sayings of Democritus." Freeman notes this as one of the <i>Gnômae</i>, from a collection called "Maxims of Democratês," but because Stobaeus quotes many of these as "Maxims of Democritus," they are generally attributed to the latter.<br><br>

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	<li>"One should emulate the deeds and actions of virtue, not the words." [tr. <a href="https://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/app/app63.htm#:~:text=One%20should%20emulate%20the%20deeds%20and%20actions%20of%20virtue%2C%20not%20the%20words.">Freeman</a> (1948)]</li>
	<li>"One must emulate the deeds and actions fo virtue, not the words." [tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Early_Greek_Philosophy/9mDuAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22deeds%20and%20actions%20of%20virtue%22">Barnes</a> (1987)]</li>
	<li>"It is necessary to envy the deeds of the work of virtue not the words." [tr. <a href="https://sententiaeantiquae.com/2018/04/20/fragmentary-friday-greek-to-not-even-desire-to-do-wrong/#post-20211:~:text=It%20is%20necessary%20to%20envy%20the%20deeds%20of%20the%20work%20of%20virtue%20not%20the%20words.%E2%80%9D">@sententiq</a> (2018)]</li>
	<li>"Envy the deeds and actions of virtue, not the words." [<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Dictionary_of_Classical_Greek_Quotatio/knv1DwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=democritus%20%22Envy%20the%20deeds%20and%20actions%22&pg=PA184&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22Envy%20the%20deeds%20and%20actions%22">Source</a>]</li>
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		<title>Ingersoll, Robert Green -- &#8220;The Limits of Toleration,&#8221; Speech, Nineteenth Century Club of New York (8 May 1888)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only reason why we wish to exchange thoughts is that we are different. If we were all the same, we would die dumb. No thought would be expressed after we found that our thoughts were precisely alike. We differ &#8212; our thoughts are different. Therefore the commerce that we call conversation.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only reason why we wish to exchange thoughts is that we are different. If we were all the same, we would die dumb. No thought would be expressed after we found that our thoughts were precisely alike. We differ &#8212; our thoughts are different. Therefore the commerce that we call conversation.</p>
<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833-1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>&#8220;The Limits of Toleration,&#8221; Speech, Nineteenth Century Club of New York (8 May 1888) 
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		<title>Cicero, Marcus Tullius -- Epistulae ad Familiares [Letters to Friends], Book  9, Letter  4, sec.  1 (9.4.1), to Marcus Terentius Varro (46 BC) [tr. Williams (Loeb) (1928)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you have a garden in your library, we shall have all we want. &#160; [Si hortum in bibliotheca habes, deerit nihil.] In context, this is about Cicero discussing visiting Varro, and that he&#8217;ll be happy to do so if the latter has a garden and a library, either to provide for body (vegetables) and [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have a garden in your library, we shall have all we want.<br />
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<em>[Si hortum in bibliotheca habes, deerit nihil.]</em></p>
<br><b>Marcus Tullius Cicero</b> (106-43 BC) Roman orator, statesman, philosopher<br><i>Epistulae ad Familiares [Letters to Friends]</i>, Book  9, Letter  4, sec.  1 (9.4.1), to Marcus Terentius Varro (46 BC) [tr. Williams (Loeb) (1928)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/letterstohisfrie02ciceuoft/page/194/mode/2up?q=%22have+a+garden%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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In context, this is about Cicero discussing visiting Varro, and that he'll be happy to do so if the latter has a garden and a library, either to provide for body (vegetables) and mind, or else a garden library to have a pleasant place to think and talk during his visit. <br><br>

The phrase, out of context and in more popular usage, changes the pronouns a bit, and is usually presented as a broad suggestion that all a person needs at their house to meet their mental and emotional needs is a garden and a library, e.g., the <a href="https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Cicero#:~:text=If%20you%20have%20a%20garden%20and%20a%20library%2C%20you%20have%20everything%20you%20need.">ubiquitous</a> "If you have a garden and a library, you have everything you need."<br><br>

(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0009%3Abook%3D9%3Aletter%3D4#:~:text=si%20hortum%20in%20bybliotheca%20habes%2C%20deerit%20nihil.">Source (Latin)</a>). Alternate translations: <br><br>

<blockquote>Let there be a garden in your Librarie, it is no matter for the rest.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A18843.0001.001/1:13.4?cite1=webbe;cite1restrict=authors;rgn=div2;view=fulltext;q1=cicero#:~:text=Let%20there%20be%20a%20garden%20in%20your%20Librarie%2C%20%5Band%5D%20it%20is%20no%20matter%20for%20the%20rest.">Webbe</a> (1620)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>As your library is situated in your garden, I shall want nothing to complete my two favorite amusements; reading and walking.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Letters_of_Marcus_Tullius_Cicero_to/ZY13_vlQSGcC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=garden">Melmoth</a> (1753), 8.14]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>If you have a garden in your library, everything will be complete.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0022%3Atext%3DF%3Abook%3D9%3Aletter%3D4#:~:text=If%20you%20have%20a%20garden%20in%20your%20library%2C%202%20everything%20will%20be%20complete.">Shuckburgh</a> (1899), # 464] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>If you have a kitchen garden in your library we shall lack for nothing.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/ciceroslettersto0000cice_p2w5/page/310/mode/2up?q=garden">Shackleton Bailey</a> (1978), # 180]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>If you have a garden in your library, you’ve got it all.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://sententiaeantiquae.com/2011/11/30/cicero-epistulae-ad-familiares-9-4-1/">@sentantiq</a> (2011)]</blockquote><br>
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		<title>Lincoln, Abraham -- Interview (1859-09-17?) with David R. Locke, Columbus, Ohio</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Slavery is doomed, and that within a few years. Even Judge Douglas admits it to be an evil, and an evil can’t stand discussion. In discussing it we have taught a great many thousands of people to hate it who had never given it a thought before. What kills the skunk is the publicity it [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slavery is doomed, and that within a few years. Even Judge Douglas admits it to be an evil, and an evil can’t stand discussion. In discussing it we have taught a great many thousands of people to hate it who had never given it a thought before. What kills the skunk is the publicity it gives itself. What a skunk wants to do is to keep snug under the barn in daytime, when men are around with shotguns.</p>
<br><b>Abraham Lincoln</b> (1809-1865) American lawyer, politician, US President (1861-65)<br>Interview (1859-09-17?) with David R. Locke, Columbus, Ohio 
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After his <a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/l/lincoln/lincoln3/1:137?rgn=div1;sort=occur;subview=detail;type=simple;view=fulltext;q1=columbus">speech in Columbus (1859-09-16)</a>, discussing the effect of drawing attention to the problem of slavery through his speech-making. Recounted by Locke in A. T. Rice (ed.), <em>Reminiscences of Abraham Lincoln by Distinguished Men of His Time</em>, ch. 25 (1883).
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		<title>McGinley, Phyllis -- &#8220;Moody Reflections,&#8221; The New Yorker (13 Feb 1954)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When blithe to argument I come,<br />
Though armed with facts, and merry,<br />
May Providence protect me from<br />
The fool as adversary,<br />
Whose mind to him a kingdom is<br />
Where reason lacks dominion,<br />
Who calls conviction prejudice<br />
And prejudice opinion.</p>
<br><b>Phyllis McGinley</b> (1905-1978) American author, poet<br>&#8220;Moody Reflections,&#8221; <i>The New Yorker</i> (13 Feb 1954) 
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HELEN: Pig-headed-ness?<br />
BOB: Uh, I was gonna say, &#8220;Evil.&#8221;</p>
<br><b>Brad Bird</b> (b. 1957) American director, animator and screenwriter [Phillip Bradley Bird]<br><i>The Incredibles</i> (2004) 
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		<title>Orwell, George -- Nineteen Eighty-Four (1949)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[O&#8217;Brien knew everything. A thousand times better than Winston, he knew what the world was really like, in what degradation the mass of human beings lived and by what lies and barbarities the Party kept them there. He had understood it all, weighed it all, and it made no difference: all was justified by the [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O&#8217;Brien knew everything. A thousand times better than Winston, he knew what the world was really like, in what degradation the mass of human beings lived and by what lies and barbarities the Party kept them there. He had understood it all, weighed it all, and it made no difference: all was justified by the ultimate purpose. What can you do, thought Winston, against the lunatic who is more intelligent than yourself, who gives your arguments a fair hearing and then simply persists in his lunacy?</p>
<br><b>George Orwell</b> (1903-1950) English journalist, essayist, writer [pseud. of Eric Arthur Blair]<br><i>Nineteen Eighty-Four</i> (1949) 
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		<title>Ingersoll, Robert Green -- Essay (1881-11) &#8220;The Christian Religion,&#8221; &#8220;Part 2&#8221; North American Review, Vol. 133, No. 300</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anger blows out the lamp of the mind. In the examination of a great and important question, every one should be serene, slow-pulsed and calm. </p>
<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833-1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>Essay (1881-11) &#8220;The Christian Religion,&#8221; &#8220;Part 2&#8221; <i>North American Review</i>, Vol. 133, No. 300 
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		<title>Eliot, George -- Middlemarch, Book 3, ch. 24 (1871)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To have a discussion coolly waived when you feel that justice is all on your side is even more exasperating in marriage than in philosophy.</p>
<br><b>George Eliot</b> (1819-1880) English novelist [pseud. of Mary Ann Evans]<br><i>Middlemarch</i>, Book 3, ch. 24 (1871) 
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		<title>De Botton, Alain -- The Consolations of Philosophy, ch. 1 &#8220;Consolations for Unpopularity&#8221; (2000)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Philosophy had supplied Socrates with convictions in which he had been able to have rational, as opposed to hysterical, confidence when faced with disapproval.</p>
<br><b>Alain de Botton</b> (b. 1969) Swiss-British author<br><i>The Consolations of Philosophy</i>, ch. 1 &#8220;Consolations for Unpopularity&#8221; (2000) 
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<br><b>Proverbs, Sayings, and Adages</b><br>Chinese proverb 
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Given in translation in Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, <a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/files/5436/5436-h/5436-h.htm"><i>Hyperion</i></a>, ch. 7 (1839).						</span>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can spend minutes, hours, days, weeks, or even months over-analyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what could&#8217;ve, would&#8217;ve happened. &#8230; Or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the fuck on.</p>
<br><b>Tupac Shakur</b> (1971-1996) American rapper, record producer, actor [b. Lesane Parish Crooks]<br>(Attributed) 
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Widely quoted and included in memes, but without citation. Considered spurious by a number of fans.						</span>
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		<title>Howe, Edgar Watson -- Country Town Sayings (1911)</title>
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<br><b>Edgar Watson "Ed" Howe</b> (1853-1937) American journalist and author [E. W. Howe]<br><i>Country Town Sayings</i> (1911) 
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		<title>Cervantes, Miguel de -- Don Quixote, Part 1, Book 3, ch. 7 (1605)</title>
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<br><b>Miguel de Cervantes</b> (1547-1616) Spanish novelist<br><i>Don Quixote</i>, Part 1, Book 3, ch. 7 (1605) 
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		<title>Marcus Aurelius -- Meditations [To Himself; Τὰ εἰς ἑαυτόν], Book 10, ch. 16 (10.16) (AD 161-180) [tr. Staniforth (1964)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Waste no more time arguing what a good man should be. Be one. [Μηκέθ̓ ὅλως περὶ τοῦ οἷόν τινα εἶναι τὸν ἀγαθὸν ἄνδρα διαλέγεσθαι, ἀλλὰ εἶναι τοιοῦτον.] (Source (Greek)). Alternate translations: Make it not any longer a matter of dispute or discourse, what are the signs and proprieties of a good man, but really and [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p>[Μηκέθ̓ ὅλως περὶ τοῦ οἷόν τινα εἶναι τὸν ἀγαθὸν ἄνδρα διαλέγεσθαι, ἀλλὰ εἶναι τοιοῦτον.]</p>
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<br><b>Marcus Aurelius</b> (AD 121-180) Roman emperor (161-180), Stoic philosopher<br><i>Meditations [To Himself; Τὰ εἰς ἑαυτόν]</i>, Book 10, ch. 16 (10.16) (AD 161-180) [tr. Staniforth (1964)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Meditations/WV7Teosv0bIC?gbpv=1&bsq=%22waste%20no%20more%20time%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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(<a href="http://data.perseus.org/citations/urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0562.tlg001.perseus-grc1:10.16.1">Source (Greek)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>Make it not any longer a matter of dispute or discourse, what are the signs and proprieties of a good man, but really and actually to be such.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Marcus_Aurelius_Antoninus_-_His_Meditations_concerning_himselfe#THE_TENTH_BOOK:~:text=Make%20it%20not%20any%20longer%20a%20matter%20of%20dispute%20or%20discourse%2C%20what%20are%20the%20signs%20and%20proprieties%20of%20a%20good%20man%2C%20but%20really%20and%20actually%20to%20be%20such.">Casaubon</a> (1634), 10.18]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Notion without Practice is Impertinence; spend no more time then in stating the Qualifications of a Man of Virtue, but endeavour to get them.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Emperor_Marcus_Antoninus:_His_Conversation_with_Himself/Book_10#:~:text=Notion%20without%20Practice%20is%20Impertinence%3B%20spend%20no%20more%20time%20then%20in%20stating%20the%20Qualifications%20of%20a%20Man%20of%20Virtue%2C%20but%20endeavour%20to%20get%20them.">Collier</a> (1701)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Spend your time no longer, in discoursing on what are the qualities of the good-man; but in actually being such.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/457829267955022580052/page/n159/mode/2up?q=%22spend+your+time%22">Hutcheson/Moor</a> (1742)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Lose no more time in disputing about the definition of a good man, but endeavour yourself to be one.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_meditations_of_Marcus_Aurelius_Anton/3uQIAAAAQAAJ?gbpv=1&bsq=%22no%20more%20time%22">Graves</a> (1792)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No longer talk at all about the kind of man that a good man ought to be, but be such.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Thoughts_of_the_Emperor_Marcus_Aurelius_Antoninus/Book_X#:~:text=No%20longer%20talk%20at%20all%20about%20the%20kind%20of%20man%20that%20a%20good%20man%20ought%20to%20be%2C%20but%20be%20such.">Long</a> (1862)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Spend no more time in stating the qualifications of a man of virtue, but endeavour to get them.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Meditations_of_Marcus_Aurelius/5qcAEZZibB0C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22spend%20no%20more%20time%22">Collier/Zimmern</a> (1887)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No more mere talk of what the good man should be. Be it!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Marcus_Aurelius_Antoninus_to_Himself/0X2BxfXnXKcC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA150&printsec=frontcover">Rendall</a> (1898)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Discourse no more of what a good man should be; but be one.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://gutenberg.org/cache/epub/55317/pg55317-images.html#:~:text=Discourse%20no%20more%20of%20what%20a%20good%20man%20should%20be%3B%20but%20be%20one.">Hutcheson/Chrystal</a> (1902)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Put an end once for all to this discussion of what a good man should be, and be one.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Marcus_Aurelius_(Haines_1916)/Book_10#:~:text=Put%20an%20end%20once%20for%20all%20to%20this%20discussion%20of%20what%20a%20good%20man%20should%20be%2C%20and%20be%20one.">Haines</a> (Loeb) (1916)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Don't any more discuss at large what the good man is like, but be good.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Meditations_of_the_Emperor_Marcus_Antoninus/Book_10#:~:text=Don%27t%20any%20more%20discuss%20at%20large%20what%20the%20good%20man%20is%20like%2C%20but%20be%20good.">Farquharson</a> (1944)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No more of all this talk about what a good man should be, but simply be one!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Meditations/VVsmU-4YwFsC?gbpv=1&bsq=%2210.16%22">Hard</a> (1997 ed.)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>To stop talking about what the good man is like, and just be one.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/meditation-GeorgeHays/page/n235/mode/2up?q=%22to+stop+talking%22">Hays</a> (2003)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No more roundabout discussion of what makes a good man. Be one!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/marcus-aurelius-emperor-of-rome-martin-hammond-diskin-clay-meditations/page/99/mode/2up?q=%22no+more+roundabout%22">Hammond</a> (2006)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Stop philosophizing about what a good man is and be one.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/essentialmarcusa0000marc/page/76/mode/2up?q=%22stop+philosophizing%22">Needleman/Piazza</a> (2008)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No more of all this talk about what a good man should be, but simply be one!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/meditations0000marc_m5f0/page/98/mode/2up?q=%22no+more+of+all%22">Hard</a> (2011 ed.)] </blockquote><br>




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<br><b>Fulke Greville</b> (1554-1628) 1st Baron Brooke; Elizabethan poet, dramatist, and statesman<br><i>Maxims, Characters and Reflections</i>, 98 (1757 ed.) 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is only when they cannot answer your reasons, that they wish to knock you down.</p>
<br><b>Ralph Waldo Emerson</b> (1803-1882) American essayist, lecturer, poet<br>&#8220;The Assault upon Mr. Sumner,&#8221; speech, Concord (1856-05-26) 
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		<title>Johnson, Samuel -- Essay (1758-06-24), The Idler, No.  11</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is commonly observed, that when two Englishmen meet, their first talk is of the weather; they are in haste to tell each other, what each must already know, that it is hot or cold, bright or cloudy, windy or calm.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is commonly observed, that when two Englishmen meet, their first talk is of the weather; they are in haste to tell each other, what each must already know, that it is hot or cold, bright or cloudy, windy or calm.</p>
<br><b>Samuel Johnson</b> (1709-1784) English writer, lexicographer, critic<br>Essay (1758-06-24), <i>The Idler</i>, No.  11 
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		<title>Churchill, Winston -- Speech (1954-06-25), luncheon, White House, Washington, DC</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[To jaw-jaw is always better than to war-war.On dealing with the Soviets. ]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To jaw-jaw is always better than to war-war.</p>
<br><b>Winston Churchill</b> (1874-1965) British statesman and author<br>Speech (1954-06-25), luncheon, White House, Washington, DC 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/1954/06/27/archives/churchill-urges-patience-in-coping-with-red-dangers-tells.html#:~:text=To%20jaw%2Djaw%20is%20always%20better%20than%20to%20war%2Dwar%2C" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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						On dealing with the Soviets.  						</span>
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		<title>Holmes, Oliver Wendell, Sr. -- Article (1859-01), &#8220;The Professor at the Breakfast-Table,&#8221; Atlantic Monthly</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nobody talks much that does n&#8217;t say unwise things, &#8212; things he did not mean to say; as no person plays much without striking a false note sometimes. Talk, to me, is only spading up the ground for crops of thought. I can&#8217;t answer for what will turn up. Collected in The Professor at the [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody talks much that does n&#8217;t say unwise things, &#8212; things he did not mean to say; as no person plays much without striking a false note sometimes. Talk, to me, is only spading up the ground for crops of thought. I can&#8217;t answer for what will turn up.</p>
<br><b>Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.</b> (1809-1894) American poet, essayist, scholar<br>Article (1859-01), &#8220;The Professor at the Breakfast-Table,&#8221; <i>Atlantic Monthly</i> 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1859/01/the-professor-at-the-breakfast-table-what-he-said-what-he-heard-and-what-he-saw/627560/" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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<a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/2665/pg2665-images.html#:~:text=Nobody%20talks%20much%20that%20does%20n%27t%20say%20unwise%20things%2C%E2%80%94things%20he%20did%20not%20mean%20to%20say%3B%20as%20no%20person%20plays%20much%20without%20striking%20a%20false%20note%20sometimes.%20Talk%2C%20to%20me%2C%20is%20only%20spading%20up%20the%20ground%20for%20crops%20of%20thought.%20I%20can%27t%20answer%20for%20what%20will%20turn%20up.">Collected</a> in <i>The Professor at the Breakfast-Table</i>, ch.  1 (1859).						</span>
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		<title>Brandeis, Louis -- Whitney v California, 274 US 357, 377 (1927) (concurring)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Those who won our independence by revolution were not cowards. They did not fear political change. They did not exalt order at the cost of liberty. To courageous, self-reliant men, with confidence in the power of free and fearless reasoning applied through the processes of popular government, no danger flowing from speech can be deemed [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those who won our independence by revolution were not cowards. They did not fear political change. They did not exalt order at the cost of liberty. To courageous, self-reliant men, with confidence in the power of free and fearless reasoning applied through the processes of popular government, no danger flowing from speech can be deemed clear and present, unless  the incidence of the evil apprehended is so imminent that it may befall  before there is opportunity for full discussion. If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil  by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence.</p>
<br><b>Louis Brandeis</b> (1856-1941) American lawyer, activist, Supreme Court Justice (1916-39)<br><i>Whitney v California</i>, 274 US 357, 377 (1927) (concurring) 
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		<title>Mill, John Stuart -- On Liberty, ch. 2 &#8220;Of the Liberty of Thought and Discussion&#8221; (1859)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To refuse a hearing to an opinion because they are sure that it is false, is to assume that <em>their</em> certainty is the same thing as <em>absolute</em> certainty. All silencing of discussion is an assumption of infallibility.</p>
<br><b>John Stuart Mill</b> (1806-1873) English philosopher and economist<br><i>On Liberty</i>, ch. 2 &#8220;Of the Liberty of Thought and Discussion&#8221; (1859) 
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		<title>Swift, Jonathan -- &#8220;Thoughts on Various Subjects&#8221; (1706)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was excellently observed, say I, when I read a passage in an author, where his opinion agrees with mine. When we differ, there I pronounce him to be mistaken.</p>
<br><b>Jonathan Swift</b> (1667-1745) English writer and churchman<br>&#8220;Thoughts on Various Subjects&#8221; (1706) 
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		<title>Emerson, Ralph Waldo -- &#8220;Social Aims,&#8221; lecture, Boston (1864-12-04), Letters and Social Aims (1875)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[In good conversation, parties don&#8217;t speak to the words, but to the meanings of each other.]]></description>
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<br><b>Ralph Waldo Emerson</b> (1803-1882) American essayist, lecturer, poet<br>&#8220;Social Aims,&#8221; lecture, Boston (1864-12-04), <i>Letters and Social Aims</i> (1875) 
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		<title>Joubert, Joseph -- Pensées [Thoughts], &#8220;De la Famille et de la Société, etc. [On the Family and Society],&#8221; ¶  41 (1850 ed.) [tr. Collins (1928), ch. 7]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The end of an argument or discussion should be, not victory, but enlightenment. [Le but de la dispute ou de la discussion ne doit pas être la victoire, mais l&#8217;amélioration.] (Source (French)). Alternate translations: The aim of disputation and discussion should not be victory, but improvement. [tr. Calvert (1866), ch. 8] The aim of argument, [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The end of an argument or discussion should be, not victory, but enlightenment.</p>
<p><em>[Le but de la dispute ou de la discussion ne doit pas être la victoire, mais l&#8217;amélioration.]</em></p>
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<br><b>Joseph Joubert</b> (1754-1824) French moralist, philosopher, essayist, poet<br><i>Pensées [Thoughts]</i>, <i>&#8220;De la Famille et de la Société, etc.</i> [On the Family and Society],&#8221; ¶  41 (1850 ed.) [tr. Collins (1928), ch. 7] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015053584978&view=2up&seq=88&q1=%22not%20victory%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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(<a href="https://archive.org/details/pensesessaisma01joubuoft/page/240/mode/2up?ref=ol&q=victoire">Source (French)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>The aim of disputation and discussion should not be victory, but improvement.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/JoubertSomeThoughts/page/n87/mode/2up?q=discussion">Calvert</a> (1866), ch. 8]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/joubertaselecti00lyttgoog/page/n108/mode/2up?q=%22not+be+victory%22">Lyttelton</a> (1899), ch. 7, ¶ 31]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<description><![CDATA[The day I&#8217;m afraid to sit down with people I do not know because five years from now someone will say five of those people were Communists and therefore you are a Communist &#8212; that will be a bad day. I want to be able to sit down with anyone who may have a new [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="tab">The day I&#8217;m afraid to sit down with people I do not know because five years from now someone will say five of those people were Communists and therefore you are a Communist &#8212; that will be a bad day.<br />
<span class="tab">I want to be able to sit down with anyone who may have a new idea and not be afraid of contamination by association. In a democracy you must be able to meet with people and argue your point of view &#8212; people whom you have not screened beforehand. That must be part of the freedom of people in the United States.</span></span></p>
<br><b>Eleanor Roosevelt</b> (1884–1962) First Lady of the US (1933–1945), politician, diplomat, activist<br>Speech (1950-04-02), Americans for Democratic Action 
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On the rise of McCarthyism in the US.
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		<title>Rickover, Hyman -- Speech (1981-11-05), &#8220;Doing a Job,&#8221; Egleston Medal Award Dinner, Columbia School of Engineering and Applied Science, New York</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing so sharpens the thought process as writing down one&#8217;s arguments. Weaknesses overlooked in oral discussion become painfully obvious on the written page.</p>
<br><b>Hyman Rickover</b> (1900-1986) Polish-American naval engineer, admiral [b. Chaim Gdala Rykower]<br>Speech (1981-11-05), &#8220;Doing a Job,&#8221; Egleston Medal Award Dinner, Columbia School of Engineering and Applied Science, New York 
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		<title>Ingersoll, Robert Green -- &#8220;The Limits of Toleration,&#8221; debate at the Nineteenth Century Club, New York (8 May 1888)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[So then, I am simply in favor of intellectual hospitality &#8212; that is all. You come to me with a new idea. I invite you into the house. Let us see what you have. Let us talk it over. If I do not like your thought, I will bid it a polite &#8220;good day.&#8221; If [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So then, I am simply in favor of intellectual hospitality &#8212; that is all. You come to me with a new idea. I invite you into the house. Let us see what you have. Let us talk it over. If I do not like your thought, I will bid it a polite &#8220;good day.&#8221; If I do like it, I will say: &#8220;Sit down; stay with me, and become a part of the intellectual wealth of my world.&#8221; That is all.</p>
<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833-1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>&#8220;The Limits of Toleration,&#8221; debate at the Nineteenth Century Club, New York (8 May 1888) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/robert_ingersoll/limits_of_toleration.html" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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		<title>Montaigne, Michel de -- (Attributed)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is no conversation more boring than the one where everybody agrees. [Il n’y a pas de conversation plus ennuyeuse que celle où tout le monde est d’accord.] Widely quoted, but never with any citation. Probably from the Essays, but I was unable to find it (or variants) there or elsewhere online.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no conversation more boring than the one where everybody agrees.</p>
<p><em>[Il n’y a pas de conversation plus ennuyeuse que celle où tout le monde est d’accord.]</em></p>
<br><b>Michel de Montaigne</b> (1533-1592) French essayist<br>(Attributed) 
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Widely quoted, but never with any citation. Probably from the <i>Essays</i>, but I was unable to find it (or variants) there or elsewhere online.
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		<title>Joubert, Joseph -- Pensées [Thoughts], ch.  8 &#8220;De la Famille et de la Société, etc. [On the Family and Society],&#8221; ¶  71 (1850 ed.) [tr. Attwell (1896), ¶ 115]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is better to debate a question without settling it, than to settle it without debate. [Il vaut mieux remuer une question sans la décider, que la décider sans la remuer.] (Source (French)). Alternate translations: It is better to stir a question without deciding it, than to decide it without stirring it. [tr. Calvert (1866), [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is better to debate a question without settling it, than to settle it without debate.</p>
<p><em>[Il vaut mieux remuer une question sans la décider, que la décider sans la remuer.]</em></p>
<br><b>Joseph Joubert</b> (1754-1824) French moralist, philosopher, essayist, poet<br><i>Pensées [Thoughts]</i>, ch.  8 <i>&#8220;De la Famille et de la Société, etc.</i> [On the Family and Society],&#8221; ¶  71 (1850 ed.) [tr. Attwell (1896), ¶ 115] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Pens%C3%A9es_of_Joubert/aWpJAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22debate%20a%20question%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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(<a href="https://archive.org/details/pensesessaisma01joubuoft/page/248/mode/2up?ref=ol&q=%22remuer+une+question%22">Source (French)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>It is better to stir a question without deciding it, than to decide it without stirring it.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/JoubertSomeThoughts/page/n91/mode/2up?q=question">Calvert</a> (1866), ch. 8]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>It is better to turn over a question without deciding it, than to decide it without turning it over.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/joubertaselecti00lyttgoog/page/n116/mode/2up?q=question">Lyttelton</a> (1899), ch. 7, ¶ 61]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>It is better to stir up a question without deciding it, than to decide it without stirring it up.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Pens%C3%A9es_and_Letters_of_Joseph_Joubert/hSgnAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=deciding">Collins</a> (1928), ch. 7]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it.<br>
[<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/An_Unfinished_Life/w3oiOriupLwC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22settle+a+question+without+debating+it.%22&pg=PT8&printsec=frontcover">Variant</a>]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Bierce, Ambrose -- &#8220;Discussion,&#8221; The Cynic&#8217;s Word Book (1906)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[DISCUSSION, n. A method of confirming others in their errors. Included in The Devil&#8217;s Dictionary (1911). Originally published in the &#8220;Devil&#8217;s Dictionary&#8221; column in the San Francisco Wasp (1882-04-02).]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DISCUSSION, <em>n.</em> A method of confirming others in their errors.</p>
<br><b>Ambrose Bierce</b> (1842-1914?) American writer and journalist<br>&#8220;Discussion,&#8221; <i>The Cynic&#8217;s Word Book</i> (1906) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/43951/43951-h/43951-h.htm#link2H_4_0005:~:text=DISCUSSION%2C%20n.%20A%20method%20of%20confirming%20others%20in%20their%20errors." target="_blank">Source</a>)
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<a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Devil%27s_Dictionary/D#:~:text=DISCUSSION%2C%20n.%20A%20method%20of%20confirming%20others%20in%20their%20errors.">Included</a> in <i>The Devil's Dictionary</i> (1911). <a href="https://archive.org/details/unabridgeddevils00bier/page/358/mode/2up?q=%22Discussion+Disease%22">Originally published</a> in the "Devil's Dictionary" column in the San Francisco <i>Wasp</i> (1882-04-02).




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		<title>Bacon, Francis -- &#8220;Of Studies,&#8221; Essays, No. 50 (1625)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading maketh a full man; conference a ready man; and writing an exact man.</p>
<br><b>Francis Bacon</b> (1561-1626) English philosopher, scientist, author, statesman<br>&#8220;Of Studies,&#8221; <i>Essays</i>, No. 50 (1625) 
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		<title>Emerson, Ralph Waldo -- Journal (1838-11-08)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.</p>
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<br><b>Ralph Waldo Emerson</b> (1803-1882) American essayist, lecturer, poet<br>Journal (1838-11-08) 
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		<title>Millar, Margaret -- The Weak-Eyed Bat (1942)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a matter of fact, have you never noticed that most conversations are simply monologues delivered in the presence of a witness? Often misattributed to Mark Twain, usually as &#8220;Most conversations are simply monologues delivered in the presence of witnesses.&#8221; More information on this quote&#8217;s origins: Most Conversations Are Simply Monologues Delivered in the Presence [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a matter of fact, have you never noticed that most conversations are simply monologues delivered in the presence of a witness?</p>
<br><b>Margaret Millar</b> (1915-1994) American-Canadian mystery and suspense writer<br><i>The Weak-Eyed Bat</i> (1942) 
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Often misattributed to Mark Twain, usually as "Most conversations are simply monologues delivered in the presence of witnesses." <br><br>

More information on this quote's origins: <a href="https://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/02/04/conversation/">Most Conversations Are Simply Monologues Delivered in the Presence of a Witness – Quote Investigator®</a>						</span>
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		<title>Jefferson, Thomas -- Document (1776-06-18), &#8220;Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom,&#8221; Preamble (enacted 1786-01-16)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Truth is great and will prevail if left to herself. She is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and has nothing to fear from conflict, unless by human interposition disarmed of her natural weapons, free argument and debate, errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is permitted freely to contradict them.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truth is great and will prevail if left to herself.  She is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and has nothing to fear from conflict, unless by human interposition disarmed of her natural weapons, free argument and debate, errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is permitted freely to contradict them.</p>
<br><b>Thomas Jefferson</b> (1743-1826) American political philosopher, polymath, statesman, US President (1801-09)<br>Document (1776-06-18), &#8220;Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom,&#8221; Preamble (enacted 1786-01-16) 
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		<title>Leonardo da Vinci -- Notebooks (c. 1500) [tr. Richter]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anyone who in discussion relies upon authority uses, not his understanding, but his memory. Alt. trans.: &#8220;The one who relies on authority during a discussion does not use his mind but his memory.&#8221;]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who in discussion relies upon authority uses, not his understanding, but his memory.</p>
<br><b>Leonardo da Vinci</b> (1452-1519) Italian artist, engineer, scientist, polymath<br>Notebooks (c. 1500) [tr. Richter] 
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Alt. trans.: "The one who relies on authority during a discussion does not use his mind but his memory."

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		<title>Barry, Dave -- &#8220;25 Things I Have Learned In 50 Years,&#8221; #12 (1997)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[People who want to share their religious views with you almost never want you to share yours with them.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People who want to share their religious views with you almost never want you to share yours with them.</p>
<br><b>Dave Barry</b> (b. 1947) American humorist, author, columnist<br>&#8220;25 Things I Have Learned In 50 Years,&#8221; #12 (1997) 
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		<title>Clifford, William Kingdon -- &#8220;The Ethics of Belief,&#8221;  Part 1 &#8220;The Duty of Inquiry,&#8221; Contemporary Review (Jan 1877)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[If a man, holding a belief which he was taught in childhood or persuaded of afterwards, keeps down and pushes away any doubts which arise about it in his mind, purposely avoids the reading of books and the company of men that call in question and discuss it, and regards as impious those questions which [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a man, holding a belief which he was taught in childhood or persuaded of afterwards, keeps down and pushes away any doubts which arise about it in his mind, purposely avoids the reading of books and the company of men that call in question and discuss it, and regards as impious those questions which cannot easily be asked without disturbing it &#8212; the life of that man is one long sin against mankind.</p>
<br><b>William Kingdon Clifford</b> (1845-1879) English mathematician and philosopher<br>&#8220;The Ethics of Belief,&#8221;  Part 1 &#8220;The Duty of Inquiry,&#8221; <i>Contemporary Review</i> (Jan 1877) 
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		<title>Brilliant, Ashleigh -- Pot-Shots, #1019</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The time for action is past!  Now is the time for senseless bickering!</p>
<br><b>Ashleigh Brilliant</b> (b. 1933) Anglo-American epigramist, aphorist, cartoonist<br><i>Pot-Shots</i>, #1019 
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