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		<title>Pratchett, Terry -- Discworld No. 13, Small Gods (1992)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gods are not very introspective. It has never been a survival trait. The ability to cajole, threaten and terrify has always worked well enough. When you can flatten entire cities at a whim, a tendency towards quiet reflection and seeing-things-from-the-other-fellow’s-point-of-view is seldom necessary.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gods are not very introspective. It has never been a survival trait. The ability to cajole, threaten and terrify has always worked well enough. When you can flatten entire cities at a whim, a tendency towards quiet reflection and seeing-things-from-the-other-fellow’s-point-of-view is seldom necessary. </p>
<br><b>Terry Pratchett</b> (1948–2015) English author<br>Discworld No. 13, <i>Small Gods</i> (1992) 
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		<title>Bible, Vol. 1. Old Testament -- Book 22a. Wisdom (Wisdom of Solomon)  6: 4ff (Wis 6:4–6) [tr. KJV (1611)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Because, being ministers of his kingdom, ye have not judged aright, nor kept the law, nor walked after the counsel of God; Horribly and speedily shall he come upon you: for a sharp judgment shall be to them that be in high places. For mercy will soon pardon the meanest: but mighty men shall be [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="tab">Because, being ministers of his kingdom, ye have not judged aright, nor kept the law, nor walked after the counsel of God;<br />
<span class="tab">Horribly and speedily shall he come upon you: for a sharp judgment shall be to them that be in high places.<br />
<span class="tab">For mercy will soon pardon the meanest: but mighty men shall be mightily tormented. </p>
<p>[ὅτι ὑπηρέται ὄντες τῆς αὐτοῦ βασιλείας οὐκ ἐκρίνατε ὀρθῶς<br />
οὐδὲ ἐφυλάξατε νόμον<br />
οὐδὲ κατὰ τὴν βουλὴν τοῦ θεοῦ ἐπορεύθητε.<br />
φρικτῶς καὶ ταχέως ἐπιστήσεται ὑμῖν,<br />
ὅτι κρίσις ἀπότομος ἐν τοῖς ὑπερέχουσιν γίνεται.<br />
ὁ γὰρ ἐλάχιστος συγγνωστός ἐστιν ἐλέους,<br />
δυνατοὶ δὲ δυνατῶς ἐτασθήσονται·]</span></span></span></p>
<br><b>The Bible (The Old Testament)</b> (14th - 2nd C BC) Judeo-Christian sacred scripture [Tanakh, Hebrew Bible], incl. the Apocrypha (Deuterocanonicals) <br>Book 22a. <i>Wisdom (Wisdom of Solomon)</i>  6: 4ff (Wis 6:4–6) [tr. KJV (1611)] 
						<br><br><span class="cite">
						

Advising kings and all who rule.<br><br>

Wisdom (also known as "Wisdom of Solomon) is one of the Apocrypha, not included in many Protestant Bibles or in the <i>Tanakh</i> (though in the Septuagint). See <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Wisdom">here</a> for more information on the origin and acceptance of this book. <br><br>

(<a href="https://tips.translation.bible/tip_verse/wis-64/">Source (Greek)</a>). Other translations:<br><br>



<blockquote><span class="tab">Because being ministers of his kingdom, you have not judged rightly, nor kept the law of justice, nor walked according to the will of God.<br>
<span class="tab">Horribly and speedily will he appear to you: for a most severe judgment shall be for them that bear rule. <br>
<span class="tab">For to him that is little, mercy is granted: but the mighty shall be mightily tormented.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=wis%206%3A5-7&version=DRA">DRA</a> (1899), v. 5–7] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>If, as administrators of his kingdom, you have not governed justly nor observed the law, nor behaved as God would have you behave, he will fall on you swiftly and terribly. Ruthless judgement is reserved for the high and mighty; the lowly will be compassionately pardoned, the mighty will be mightily punished.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.seraphim.my/bible/jb/JB-OT27%20WISDOM%20(GK).htm#:~:text=6%3A4%20If,be%20mightily%20punished.">JB</a> (1966)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>If therefore, as servants of his kingdom, you have not ruled justly nor observed the law, nor followed the will of God, he will fall on you swiftly and terribly. On the highly placed a ruthless judgement falls; the lowly are pardoned, out of pity, but the mighty will be mightily tormented.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.bibliacatolica.com.br/en/new-jerusalem-bible/wisdom-of-solomon/6/#:~:text=4.,be%20mightily%20tormented.">NJB</a> (1985)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>You rule on behalf of God and his kingdom, and if you do not govern justly, if you do not uphold the law, if you do not live according to God's will, you will suffer sudden and terrible punishment. Judgment is especially severe on those in power. Common people may be mercifully forgiven for their wrongs, but those in power will face a severe judgment.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=wis%206%3A4-6&version=GNT">GNT</a> (1992 ed.)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>You are merely stewards of his kingdom. If you don’t judge rightly, if you don’t keep the Law, or if you don’t act according to God’s plan, then he’ll fall upon you very suddenly and very terribly. Judgment falls hard on those in high places. Those who aren’t important may be pardoned out of compassion, but the powerful will be powerfully examined.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=wis%206%3A4-6&version=CEB">CEB</a> (2011)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Because as servants of his kingdom you did not rule rightly<br>
or keep the law<br>
or walk according to the purpose of God,<br>
he will come upon you terribly and swiftly,<br>
because severe judgment falls on those in high places.<br>
For the lowliest may be pardoned in mercy,<br>
but the mighty will be mightily tested.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=wis%206%3A4-6&version=NRSVUE">NRSV</a> (2021 ed.)]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Ingersoll, Robert Green -- Lecture (1881-05-01) &#8220;The Great Infidels,&#8221; Booth&#8217;s Theater, New York</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Christians have placed upon the throne of the universe a God of eternal hate. I cannot worship a being whose vengeance is boundless, whose cruelty is shoreless, and whose malice is increased by the agonies he inflicts.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christians have placed upon the throne of the universe a God of eternal hate. I cannot worship a being whose vengeance is boundless, whose cruelty is shoreless, and whose malice is increased by the agonies he inflicts.</p>
<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833–1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>Lecture (1881-05-01) &#8220;The Great Infidels,&#8221; Booth&#8217;s Theater, New York 
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		<title>Euripides -- Medea [Μήδεια], l. 1389ff (431 BC) [tr. Vellacott (1963)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[JASON: The curse of children&#8217;s blood be on you! Avenging Justice, blast your being! MEDEA: What god will hear your imprecation, Oath-breaker, guest-deceiver, liar? [ἸΆΣΩΝ: ἀλλά σ᾽ Ἐρινὺς ὀλέσειε τέκνων φονία τε Δίκη. ΜΉΔΕΙΑ: τίς δὲ κλύει σοῦ θεὸς ἢ δαίμων, τοῦ ψευδόρκου καὶ ξειναπάτου;] Jason and Medea bickering after she has murdered their children. [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JASON: The curse of children&#8217;s blood be on you!<br />
<span class="tab">Avenging Justice, blast your being!<br />
MEDEA: What god will hear your imprecation,<br />
<span class="tab">Oath-breaker, guest-deceiver, liar?</p>
<p>[ἸΆΣΩΝ: ἀλλά σ᾽ Ἐρινὺς ὀλέσειε τέκνων<br />
<span class="tab">φονία τε Δίκη.<br />
ΜΉΔΕΙΑ: τίς δὲ κλύει σοῦ θεὸς ἢ δαίμων,<br />
<span class="tab">τοῦ ψευδόρκου καὶ ξειναπάτου;]</span></span></span></span></p>
<br><b>Euripides</b> (485?-406? BC) Greek tragic dramatist<br><i>Medea</i> [Μήδεια], l. 1389ff (431 BC) [tr. Vellacott (1963)] 
						<br><br><span class="cite">
						

Jason and Medea bickering after she has murdered their children.<br><br>

(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=te&la=greek&can=te0&prior=foni/a">Source (Greek)</a>). Other translations: <br><br>

<blockquote>JASON: May the Erinnys of our slaughter'd Sons,<br>
<span class="tab">And Justice, who requites each murderous deed,<br>
<span class="tab">Destroy you utterly!<br>
MEDEA:<span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Will any God<br>
<span class="tab">Or Demon hear thy curses, O thou wretch,<br>
<span class="tab">False to thy oath, and to the sacred laws of hospitality?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/nineteentragedi01wodhgoog/page/310/mode/2up?q=%22may+the+erinnys%22">Wodhull</a> (1782)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>JASON: May th' Erinnys of thy sons destroy,<br>
<span class="tab">And Justice, which for blood vindictive calls<br>
<span class="tab">For blood.<br>
MEDEA:<span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">What god will hear thee, or what fury,<br>
<span class="tab">Thou perjur'd base betrayer of the rights<br>
<span class="tab">Of hospitality?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Bacch%C3%A6_Ion_Alcestis_Medea_Hippolytu/L8tCAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22Erinnys%20of%20thy%22">Potter</a> (1814)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>JASON: But thee may thy children's Erinnys slay<br>
<span class="tab">And Vengeance for blood.<br>
MEDEA: And who among gods and friends will hear thee,<br>
<span class="tab">Betrayer of strangers and breaker of oaths?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Medea_(Webster_1868)#:~:text=our%20wedding%20tie.-,Jason.,friends%20will%20hear%20thee%2C%0ABetrayer%20of%20strangers%20and%20breaker%20of%20oaths%3F,-1410%20(1392)">Webster</a> (1868)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">JASON: The curse of our sons' avenging spirit and of Justice, that calls for blood, be on thee!<br>
<span class="tab">MEDEA: What god or power divine hears thee, breaker of oaths and every law of hospitality?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Plays_of_Euripides_(Coleridge)/Medea#:~:text=Jas.%20The%20curse,law%20of%20hospitality%3F">Coleridge</a> (1891)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">JASON: But may the Fury of the children, and Justice the avenger of murder, destroy thee.<br>
<span class="tab">MEDEA: But what God or Deity hears thee, thou perjured man, and traitor to the rights of hospitality?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/15081/pg15081-images.html#MEDEA:~:text=JAS.%20But%20may,rights%20of%20hospitality%3F">Buckley</a> (1892)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>JASON: Now the Fury-avenger of children smite thee,<br>
<span class="tab">And Justice that looketh on murder requite thee!<br>
MEDEA: What God or what spirit will heed thy request,<br>
<span class="tab">Caitiff forsworn, who betrayest the guest?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Tragedies_of_Euripides_(Way)/Medea#:~:text=bridal%27s%20bitter%20ending.-,Jason.,spirit%20will%20heed%20thy%20request%2C%0ACaitiff%20forsworn%2C%20who%20betrayest%20the%20guest%3F,-Jason.">Way</a> (Loeb) (1894)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>JASON: May They that hear the weeping child<br>
<span class="tab">Blast thee, and They that walk in blood!<br>
MEDEA: Thy broken vows, thy friends beguiled<br>
<span class="tab">Have shut for thee the ears of God.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/35451/pg35451-images.html#:~:text=slowly%20borne%20away.-,Jason.,thy%20friends%20beguiled%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20Have%20shut%20for%20thee%20the%20ears%20of%20God.,-Jason.">Murray</a> (1906)]  </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>JASON: May a Fury for the children’s sake destroy you, <br>
<span class="tab">And justice, Requitor of blood.<br>
MEDEA: What heavenly power lends an ear <br>
<span class="tab">To a breaker of oaths, a deceiver?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/euripides-medea-warner.ocr/page/106/mode/2up?q=%22may+a+fury%22">Warner</a> (1944)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>JASON: May the children’s avenging Fury and Justice<br>
<span class="tab">For murder destroy you?<br>
MEDEA: What god, what spirit, listens to you,<br>
<span class="tab">Breaker of oaths, deceiver of friends?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/euripides-medea-podlecki_20220818/page/75/mode/2up?q=%22avenging+fury%22">Podlecki</a> (1989)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">JASON: May the Fury that punishes your children's death, and Justice the murderous, destroy you utterly!<br>
<span class="tab">MEDEA: What god or power above will listen to you, who broke your oath and deceived a stranger?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0114%3Acard%3D1389#:~:text=Jason%0AMay%20the,deceived%20a%20stranger%3F">Kovacs</a> (Loeb) (1994)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">JASON: May you be struck down by our children's avenging curse and Justice who punishes murder!<br>
<span class="tab">MEDEA: What god, what spirit listens to you, the breaker of oaths, the deceiver of hosts?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/medeaotherplays0000euri_d3q9/page/86/mode/2up?q=%22be+struck+down%22">Davie</a> (1996)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">JASON: But the Fury will punish you!  The Fury and Justice will destroy you, for committing the murder of your own children.<br>
<span class="tab">MEDEA: Which god or spirit will listen to you, Jason? You, who tells lies to foreigners and dishonours them?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://bacchicstage.wpcomstaging.com/euripides/medea/#:~:text=Jason%3A%0ABut%20the,foreigners%20and%20dishonours%20them%3F">Theodoridis</a> (2004)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>JASON: But may the Avenger of children destroy you <br>
<span class="tab">and Justice that haunts murderers.<br>
MEDEA: What god or divine spirit would listen to you <br>
<span class="tab">an oath-breaker and deceiver of guests? <br>
[tr. <a href="https://diotima-doctafemina.org/translations/greek/euripides-medea/#:~:text=Jason%C2%A0%0ABut%20may%20the%20Avenger%20of%20children%20destroy%20you%C2%A0%0Aand%20Justice%20that%20haunts%20murderers.1390%0AMedea%C2%A0%0AWhat%20god%20or%20divine%20spirit%20would%20listen%20to%20you%C2%A0%0Aan%20oath%2Dbreaker%20and%20deceiver%20of%20guests%3F%C2%A0">Luschnig</a> (2007)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>JASON: May the avenging Fury of our children<br>
<span class="tab">destroy you — may you find blood justice. <br>
MEDEA: What god or spirit listens to you,<br>
<span class="tab">a man who does not keep his promises,<br>
<span class="tab">a man who deceives and lies to strangers?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20250428122658/https://johnstoniatexts.x10host.com/euripides/medeahtml.html#:~:text=ship%20the%20Argo.-,JASON,his%20promises%2C%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%201660%0Aa%20man%20who%20deceives%20and%20lies%20to%20strangers%3F,-JASON">Johnston</a> (2008)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">JASON: May the children's Fury destroy you, and bloody Justice.<br>
<span class="tab">MEDEA: What god, what spirit hears you -- breaker of oaths, deceiver of a stranger's trust.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Greek_Plays/P5O5DAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22jason%20may%20the%20children%27s%22">Kovacs / Kitzinger</a> (2016)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">JASON: May the avenging Fury of the children and Justice destroy you.<br>
<span class="tab">MEDEA: What god or other power will listen to you, a man who breaks oaths and deceives his friends?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Euripides_Medea/kNBUEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22jason%20may%20the%22">Ewans</a> (2022)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">JASON: May the Fury <em>[Erinys</em>] of our children and bloody <em>Dikē</em> destroy you!<br>
<span class="tab">MEDEA: What god or <em>daimōn</em> listens to you, oath-breaker and deceiver of <em>xenoi?</em><br>
[tr. <a href="https://chs.harvard.edu/primary-source/euripides-medea/#:~:text=of%20my%20marriage.-,Jason,daim%C5%8Dn%20listens%20to%20you%2C%20oath%2Dbreaker%20and%20deceiver%20of%20xenoi%3F,-Jason">Coleridge / Ceragioli / Nagy / Hour25</a>]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Stevenson, Robert Louis -- Essay (1880-01/02?), &#8220;Reflections and Remarks on Human Life,&#8221; §  8.2 &#8220;Gratitude to God&#8221;</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I cannot forgive God for the suffering of others; when I look abroad upon His world and behold its cruel destinies, I turn from Him with disaffection; nor do I conceive that He will blame me for the impulse. But when I consider my own fates, I grow conscious of His gentle dealing: I see [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot forgive God for the suffering of others; when I look abroad upon His world and behold its cruel destinies, I turn from Him with disaffection; nor do I conceive that He will blame me for the impulse. But when I consider my own fates, I grow conscious of His gentle dealing: I see Him chastise with helpful blows, I feel His stripes to be caresses; and this knowledge is my comfort that reconciles me to the world.</p>
<br><b>Robert Louis Stevenson</b> (1850–1894) Scottish essayist, novelist, poet<br>Essay (1880-01/02?), &#8220;Reflections and Remarks on Human Life,&#8221; §  8.2 &#8220;Gratitude to God&#8221; 
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A collection of aphorisms and musings, <a href="https://archive.org/details/prosewritingsofr0000swea/">first published</a> in the Edinburgh Edition of his <i>Works</i>, vol. 28 (1898).
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		<description><![CDATA[The doctrine of eternal pain is my trouble with this Christian religion. I reject it on account of its infinite heartlessness. Published as its own book in 1884. See Dante (1309).]]></description>
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<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833–1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>Lecture (1884-01-20), &#8220;Orthodoxy,&#8221; Tabor Opera House, Denver, Colorado 
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<a href="https://archive.org/details/orthodoxylecture00inge/page/48/mode/2up?q=%22eternal+pain+is+my%22">Published as its own book</a> in 1884. See <a href="https://wist.info/dante-alighieri-poet/56759/">Dante</a> (1309).
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		<description><![CDATA[We are told &#8220;God so loved the world&#8221; that he is going to damn almost everybody. If this orthodox religion be true, some of the greatest, and grandest, and best who ever lived are suffering God&#8217;s torments to-night. It does not appear to make much difference with the members of the church. They go right [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are told &#8220;God so loved the world&#8221; that he is going to damn almost everybody. If this orthodox religion be true, some of the greatest, and grandest, and best who ever lived are suffering God&#8217;s torments to-night. It does not appear to make much difference with the members of the church. They go right on enjoying themselves about as well as ever. If this doctrine is true, Benjamin Franklin, one of the wisest and best of men, who did so much to give us here a free government, is suffering the tyranny of God to-night, although he endeavored to establish freedom among men. If the churches were honest, their preachers would tell their hearers: &#8220;Benjamin Franklin is in hell, and we warn all the youth not to imitate Benjamin Franklin. Thomas Jefferson, author of the Declaration of Independence, with its self-evident truths, has been damned these many years.&#8221;</p>
<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833–1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>Lecture (1884-01-20), &#8220;Orthodoxy,&#8221; Tabor Opera House, Denver, Colorado 
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<a href="https://archive.org/details/orthodoxylecture00inge/page/44/mode/2up?q=%22damn+almost+everybody%22">Published as its own book</a> in 1884.

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		<description><![CDATA[In this world we never will be perfectly civilized as long as a gallows casts its shadow upon the earth. As long as there is a penitentiary, within the walls of which a human being is immured, we are not a perfectly civilized people. We shall never be perfectly civilized until we do away with [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this world we never will be perfectly civilized as long as a gallows casts its shadow upon the earth. As long as there is a penitentiary, within the walls of which a human being is immured, we are not a perfectly civilized people. We shall never be perfectly civilized until we do away with crime.<br />
<span class="tab">And yet, according to this Christian religion, God is to have an eternal penitentiary; he is to be an everlasting jailer, an everlasting turnkey, a warden of an infinite dungeon, and he is going to keep prisoners there forever, not for the purpose of reforming them &#8212; because they are never going to get any better, only worse &#8212; but for the purpose of purposeless punishment. And for what? For something they failed to believe in this world. Born in ignorance, supported by poverty, caught in the snares of temptation, deformed by toil, stupefied by want &#8212; and yet held responsible through the countless ages of eternity! No man can think of a greater horror; no man can dream of a greater absurdity.</span></p>
<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833–1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>Lecture (1884-01-20), &#8220;Orthodoxy,&#8221; Tabor Opera House, Denver, Colorado 
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<a href="https://archive.org/details/orthodoxylecture00inge/page/44/mode/2up?q=%22perfectly+civilized%22">Published as its own book</a> in 1884.						</span>
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		<description><![CDATA[In his infinite goodness, God invented rheumatism and gout and dyspepsia, cancers and neuralgia, and is still inventing new diseases. Not only this, but he decreed the pangs of mothers, and that by the gates of love and life should crouch the dragons of death and pain. Fearing that some might, by accident, live too [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In his infinite goodness, God invented rheumatism and gout and dyspepsia, cancers and neuralgia, and is still inventing new diseases. Not only this, but he decreed the pangs of mothers, and that by the gates of love and life should crouch the dragons of death and pain. Fearing that some might, by accident, live too long, he planted poisonous vines and herbs that looked like food. He caught the serpents he had made and gave them fangs and curious organs, ingeniously devised to distill and deposit the deadly drop. He changed the nature of the beasts, that they might feed on human flesh. He cursed a world, and tainted every spring and source of joy. He poisoned every breath of air; corrupted even light, that it might bear disease on every ray; tainted every drop of blood in human veins; touched every nerve, that it might bear the double fruit of pain and joy; decreed all accidents and mistakes that maim and hurt and kill, and set the snares of life-long grief, baited with present pleasure, &#8212; with a moment&#8217;s joy. Then and there he foreknew and foreordained all human tears. And yet all this is but the prelude, the introduction, to the infinite revenge of the good God. Increase and multiply all human griefs until the mind has reached imagination&#8217;s farthest verge, then add eternity to time, and you may faintly tell, but never can conceive, the infinite horrors of this doctrine called &#8220;The Fall of Man.&#8221; </p>
<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833–1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>Lecture (1884-01-20), &#8220;Orthodoxy,&#8221; Tabor Opera House, Denver, Colorado 
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<a href="https://archive.org/details/orthodoxylecture00inge/page/18/mode/2up?q=%22God+invented+rheumatism%22">Published as its own book</a> in 1884.



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		<title>Addison, Joseph -- Cato, Act 1, sc. 1, l.  20ff (1713)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[MARCUS: Oh Portius, is there not some chosen curse, Some hidden thunder in the stores of heav&#8217;n Red with uncommon wrath to blast the man, Who owes his greatness to his country&#8217;s ruin? Of Julius Caesar and his overthrow of the Roman Republic.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">MARCUS: Oh Portius, is there not some chosen curse,<br />
Some hidden thunder in the stores of heav&#8217;n<br />
Red with uncommon wrath to blast the man,<br />
Who owes his greatness to his country&#8217;s ruin?</p>
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<br><b>Joseph Addison</b> (1672–1719) English essayist, poet, statesman<br><i>Cato</i>, Act 1, sc. 1, l.  20ff (1713) 
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Of Julius Caesar and his overthrow of the Roman Republic.


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		<description><![CDATA[We are told by the Bible and by the churches that through this fall of man &#8220;Sin and death entered the world.&#8221; According to this, just as soon as Adam and Eve had partaken of the forbidden fruit, God began to contrive ways by which he could destroy the lives of his children. He invented [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="tab">We are told by the Bible and by the churches that through this fall of man<br />
<span class="tab"><em>&#8220;Sin and death entered the world.&#8221;</em><br />
<span class="tab">According to this, just as soon as Adam and Eve had partaken of the forbidden fruit, God began to contrive ways by which he could destroy the lives of his children. He invented all the diseases — all the fevers and coughs and colds — all the pains and plagues and pestilences — all the aches and agonies, the malaria and spores; so that when we take a breath of air we admit into our lungs unseen assassins; and, fearing that some might live too long, even under such circumstances, God invented the earthquake and volcano, the cyclone and lightning, animalcules to infest the heart and brain, so small that no eye can detect — no instrument reach. This was all owing to the disobedience of Adam and Eve!</span></span></span></p>
<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833–1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>Lecture (1884-01-20), &#8220;Orthodoxy,&#8221; Tabor Opera House, Denver, Colorado 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">CHARMIAN: Good madam, keep yourself within yourself.<br />
The man is innocent.</p>
<p class="hangingindent">CLEOPATRA: Some innocents ’scape not the thunderbolt.</p>
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<br><b>William Shakespeare</b> (1564–1616) English dramatist and poet<br><i>Antony and Cleopatra</i>, Act 2, sc. 5, l.  94ff (2.5.94-96) (1607) 
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		<title>Euripides -- Medea [Μήδεια], l.  127ff (431 BC) [tr. Wodhull (1782)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[NURSE: But not long Can the extremes of grandeur ever last; And heavier are the curses which it brings When Fortune visits us in all her wrath. [ΤΡΟΦΌΣ:Τὰ δ᾽ ὑπερβάλλοντ᾽ οὐδένα καιρὸν δύναται θνητοῖς, μείζους δ᾽ ἄτας, ὅταν ὀργισθῇ δαίμων οἴκοις, ἀπέδωκεν.] (Source (Greek)). Other translations: But the height Of tow&#8217;ring greatness long to mortal [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">NURSE: <span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">But not long<br />
Can the extremes of grandeur ever last;<br />
And heavier are the curses which it brings<br />
When Fortune visits us in all her wrath.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
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<p class="hangingindent">[ΤΡΟΦΌΣ:<span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Τὰ δ᾽ ὑπερβάλλοντ᾽<br />
οὐδένα καιρὸν δύναται θνητοῖς,<br />
μείζους δ᾽ ἄτας, ὅταν ὀργισθῇ<br />
δαίμων οἴκοις, ἀπέδωκεν.]</span></span></span></p>
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<br><b>Euripides</b> (485?-406? BC) Greek tragic dramatist<br><i>Medea</i> [Μήδεια], l.  127ff (431 BC) [tr. Wodhull (1782)] 
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(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0113%3Acard%3D96#:~:text=%CF%84%E1%BD%B0%20%CE%B4%E1%BE%BD,%CE%BF%E1%BC%B4%CE%BA%CE%BF%CE%B9%CF%82%2C%20%E1%BC%80%CF%80%CE%AD%CE%B4%CF%89%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%BD">Source (Greek)</a>). Other translations: <br><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">But the height<br>
Of tow'ring greatness long to mortal man<br>
Remains not fix'd; and, when misfortune comes<br>
Enraged, in deeper ruin sinks the house.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Bacch%C3%A6_Ion_Alcestis_Medea_Hippolytu/L8tCAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22but%20the%20height%22">Potter</a> (1814)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">But too high-pitched luck<br>
Stands no mortal in stead at the time of need;<br>
Nay, more, when the god is stirred to his wrath,<br>
Dowers greater curse on the house.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Medea_(Webster_1868)#:~:text=But%20too%20high%2Dpitched%20luck%0AStands%20no%20mortal%20in%20stead%20at%20the%20time%20of%20need%3B%0ANay%2C%20more%2C%20when%20the%20god%20is%20stirred%20to%20his%20wrath%2C%0ADowers%20greater%20curse%20on%20the%20house.">Webster</a> (1868)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But greatness that doth o'erreach itself, brings no blessing to mortal men; but pays a penalty of greater ruin whenever fortune is wroth with a family.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Plays_of_Euripides_(Coleridge)/Medea#:~:text=but%20greatness%20that%20doth%20o%27erreach%20itself%2C%20brings%20no%20blessing%20to%20mortal%20men%3B%20but%20pays%20a%20penalty%20of%20greater%20ruin%20whenever%20fortune%20is%20wroth%20with%20a%20family.">Coleridge</a> (1891)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But excess of fortune brings more power to men than is convenient, and has brought greater woes upon families, when the Deity be enraged.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/15081/pg15081-images.html#MEDEA:~:text=but%20excess%20of%20fortune%20brings%20more%20power%20to%20men%20than%20is%20convenient%3B%5B8%5D%20and%20has%20brought%20greater%20woes%20upon%20families%2C%20when%20the%20Deity%20be%20enraged.">Buckley</a> (1892)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But to men never weal above measure<br>
Availed: on its perilous height<br>
The Gods in their hour of displeasure<br>
The heavier smite.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Tragedies_of_Euripides_(Way)/Medea#:~:text=But%20to%20men%20never%20weal%20above%20measure%0AAvailed%3A%20on%20its%20perilous%20height%0AThe%20Gods%20in%20their%20hour%20of%20displeasure%0AThe%20heavier%20smite.">Way</a> (Loeb) (1894)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">But the fiercely great<br>
<span class="tab">Hath little music on his road,<br>
<span class="tab">And falleth, when the hand of God<br>
Shall move, most deep and desolate.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/35451/pg35451-images.html#:~:text=but%20the%20fiercely%20great%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20Hath%20little%20music%20on%20his%20road%2C%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20And%20falleth%2C%20when%20the%20hand%20of%20God%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20Shall%20move%2C%20most%20deep%20and%20desolate.">Murray</a> (1906)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Greatness brings no profit to people. <br>
God indeed, when in anger, brings <br>
Greater ruin to great men’s houses.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/euripides-medea-warner.ocr/page/62/mode/2up?q=%22greatness+brings%22">Warner</a> (1944)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>This is the wild and terrible justice of God: it brings on great persons<br>
The great disasters.
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/medeafreelyadapt0000robi/page/14/mode/2up?q=%22wild+and+terrible%22">Jeffers</a> (1946)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>To be rich and powerful brings no blessing;<br>
Only more utterly<br>
Is the prosperous house destroyed, when the gods are angry.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/medeaotherplays0000euri/page/20/mode/2up?q=%22to+be+rich%22">Vellacott</a> (1963)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Excess on the other hand<br>
Always surpasses what is appropriate for men.<br>
When heaven is angered at a house<br>
It pays back ruin in plenty.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/euripides-medea-podlecki_20220818/page/19/mode/2up?q=%22excess+on+the+other%22">Podlecki</a> (1989)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But excessive riches mean no advantage for mortals, and when a god is angry at a house, they make the ruin greater.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0114%3Acard%3D96#:~:text=But%20excessive%20riches%20mean%20no%20advantage%20for%20mortals%2C%20and%20when%20a%20god%20is%20angry%20at%20a%20house%2C%20%5B130%5D%20they%20make%20the%20ruin%20greater.">Kovacs</a> (1994)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Excess, though, means no profit for man and pays him back with greater ruin, whenever a house earns heaven's anger.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/medeaotherplays0000euri_d3q9/page/54/mode/2up?q=%22excess+though%22">Davie</a> (1996)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>If man holds something else dearer to moderation, he will most certainly lose out in the end.  Add to that the wrath of the gods, which will fall most heavily upon such a man’s house and which will destroy him.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://bacchicstage.wpcomstaging.com/euripides/medea/#:~:text=if%20man%20holds%20something%20else%20dearer%20to%20moderation%2C%20he%20will%20most%20certainly%20lose%20out%20in%20the%20end.%C2%A0%20Add%20to%20that%20the%20wrath%20of%20the%20gods%2C%20which%20will%20fall%20most%20heavily%20upon%20such%20a%20man%E2%80%99s%20house%20and%20which%20will%20destroy%20him.">Theodoridis</a> (2004)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">But excess <br>
never should have a place in our lives. <br>
It brings all the greater ruin <br>
when some god feels spite toward a house.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://diotima-doctafemina.org/translations/greek/euripides-medea/#:~:text=But%20excess%C2%A0%0Anever%20should%20have%20a%20place%20in%20our%20lives.%C2%A0%0AIt%20brings%20all%20the%20greater%20ruin%C2%A0%0Awhen%20some%20god%20feels%20spite%20toward%20a%20house.">Luschnig</a> (2007)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Going for too much brings no benefits.<br>
And when the gods get angry with some home,<br>
the more wealth it has, the more it is destroyed.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://johnstoniatexts.x10host.com/euripides/medeahtml.html#:~:text=Going%20for%20too%20much%20brings%20no%20benefits.%0AAnd%20when%20the%20gods%20get%20angry%20with%20some%20home%2C%0Athe%20more%20wealth%20it%20has%2C%20the%20more%20it%20is%20destroyed.">Johnston</a> (2008)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Excess does not yield any gain,<br>
for when a god is angry with a house<br>
it pays with great destruction.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Euripides_Medea/kNBUEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22excess%20does%20not%20yield%22">Ewans</a> (2022)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Extreme greatness brings no balance to mortal men, and pays a penalty of greater disaster <em>[atē]</em>  whenever a superhuman force [daimōn] is angry with a household <em>[oikos]</em>.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://chs.harvard.edu/primary-source/euripides-medea/#:~:text=Extreme%20greatness%20brings%20no%20balance%20to%20mortal%20men%2C%20and%20pays%20a%20penalty%20of%20greater%20disaster%20%5Bat%C4%93%5D%20%7C130%20whenever%20a%20superhuman%20force%20%5Bdaim%C5%8Dn%5D%20is%20angry%20with%20a%20household%20%5Boikos%5D.">Coleridge / Ceragioli / Nagy / Hour25</a>]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of these gods, according to the account, drowned an entire world, with the exception of eight persons. The old, the young, the beautiful and the helpless were remorsely devoured by the shoreless sea. This, the most fearful tragedy that the imagination of ignorant priests ever conceived, was the act, not of a devil, but [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of these gods, according to the account, drowned an entire world, with the exception of eight persons. The old, the young, the beautiful and the helpless were remorsely devoured by the shoreless sea. This, the most fearful tragedy that the imagination of ignorant priests ever conceived, was the act, not of a devil, but of a god, so-called, whom men ignorantly worship unto this day. </p>
<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833–1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>Lecture (1872-01-29), &#8220;The Gods,&#8221; Fairbury Hall, Fairbury, Illinois 
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First given on the 135th birthday of Thomas Paine. <a href="https://archive.org/details/godsotherlectu00inge/page/18/mode/2up?q=%22one+of+these+gods+according%22">Collected</a> in <i>The Gods and Other Lectures</i> (1876).

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<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833–1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>Lecture (1872-01-29), &#8220;The Gods,&#8221; Fairbury Hall, Fairbury, Illinois 
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First given on the 135th birthday of Thomas Paine. <a href="https://archive.org/details/godsotherlectu00inge/page/8/mode/2up?q=%22nothing+is+so+pleasing%22">Collected</a> in <i>The Gods and Other Lectures</i> (1876).

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		<title>Bible, Vol. 2. New Testament -- Book  5. Acts of the Apostles  5: 1ff (Acts 5:1-5) [JB (1966)]</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="tab">There was another man, however, called Ananias. He and his wife, Sapphira, agreed to sell a property; but with his wife&#8217;s connivance he kept back part of the proceeds, and brought the rest and presented it to the apostles.<br />
<span class="tab">&#8220;Ananias,&#8221; Peter said &#8220;how can Satan have so possessed you that you should lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the money from the land? While you still owned the land, wasn&#8217;t it yours to keep, and after you had sold it wasn&#8217;t the money yours to do with as you liked? What put this scheme into your mind? It is not to men that you have lied, but to God.&#8221;<br />
<span class="tab">When he heard this Ananias fell down dead. This made a profound impression on everyone present.</p>
<p><span class="tab">[Ἀνὴρ δέ τις Ἁνανίας ὀνόματι σὺν Σαπφίρῃ τῇ γυναικὶ αὐτοῦ ἐπώλησεν κτῆμα καὶ ἐνοσφίσατο ἀπὸ τῆς τιμῆς, συνειδυίης καὶ τῆς γυναικός, καὶ ἐνέγκας μέρος τι παρὰ τοὺς πόδας τῶν ἀποστόλων ἔθηκεν.<br />
<span class="tab">εἶπεν δὲ ὁ Πέτρος, Ἁνανία, διὰ τί ἐπλήρωσεν ὁ Σατανᾶς τὴν καρδίαν σου, ψεύσασθαί σε τὸ πνεῦμα τὸ ἅγιον καὶ νοσφίσασθαι ἀπὸ τῆς τιμῆς τοῦ χωρίου; οὐχὶ μένον σοὶ ἔμενεν καὶ πραθὲν ἐν τῇ σῇ ἐξουσίᾳ ὑπῆρχεν; τί ὅτι ἔθου ἐν τῇ καρδίᾳ σου τὸ πρᾶγμα τοῦτο; οὐκ ἐψεύσω ἀνθρώποις ἀλλὰ τῷ θεῷ.<br />
<span class="tab">ἀκούων δὲ ὁ Ἁνανίας τοὺς λόγους τούτους πεσὼν ἐξέψυξεν, καὶ ἐγένετο φόβος μέγας ἐπὶ πάντας τοὺς ἀκούοντας.]</span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<br><b>The Bible (The New Testament)</b> (AD 1st - 2nd C) Christian sacred scripture<br>Book  5. <i>Acts of the Apostles</i>  5: 1ff (Acts 5:1-5) [JB (1966)] 
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In <a href="https://www.seraphim.my/bible/jb/JB-NT05%20ACTS.htm#:~:text=5%3A6%20The,who%20heard%20it.">verses 6-11</a>, Peter asks Sapphira about the proceeds, and she backs Ananias' story, at which point, confronted with the truth, she drops dead, too, also impressing everyone present.<br><br>

(<a href="https://tips.translation.bible/tip_verse/acts-51/">Source (Greek)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, and kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles’ feet. <br>
<span class="tab">But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. <br>
<span class="tab">And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.<br>
[<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=acts%205%3A1-5&version=AKJV">KJV</a> (1611)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">There was also a man called Ananias. He and his wife, Sapphira, agreed to sell a property; but with his wife's connivance he kept back part of the price and brought the rest and presented it to the apostles.<br>
<span class="tab">Peter said, 'Ananias, how can Satan have so possessed you that you should lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land? While you still owned the land, wasn't it yours to keep, and after you had sold it wasn't the money yours to do with as you liked? What put this scheme into your mind? You have been lying not to men, but to God.'<br>
<span class="tab">When he heard this Ananias fell down dead. And a great fear came upon everyone present.<br>
[<a href="https://www.bibliacatolica.com.br/en/new-jerusalem-bible/acts/5/#:~:text=There%20was%20also,upon%20everyone%20present.">NJB</a> (1985)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">But there was a man named Ananias, who with his wife Sapphira sold some property that belonged to them. But with his wife's agreement he kept part of the money for himself and turned the rest over to the apostles. <br>
<span class="tab">Peter said to him, “Ananias, why did you let Satan take control of you and make you lie to the Holy Spirit by keeping part of the money you received for the property? Before you sold the property, it belonged to you; and after you sold it, the money was yours. Why, then, did you decide to do such a thing? You have not lied to people -- you have lied to God!” <br>
<span class="tab">As soon as Ananias heard this, he fell down dead; and all who heard about it were terrified.<br>
[<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=acts%205%3A1-5&version=GNT">GNT</a> (1992 ed.)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">However, a man named Ananias, along with his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property. With his wife’s knowledge, he withheld some of the proceeds from the sale. He brought the rest and placed it in the care and under the authority of the apostles. <br>
<span class="tab">Peter asked, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has influenced you to lie to the Holy Spirit by withholding some of the proceeds from the sale of your land? Wasn’t that property yours to keep? After you sold it, wasn’t the money yours to do with whatever you wanted? What made you think of such a thing? You haven’t lied to other people but to God!” <br>
<span class="tab">When Ananias heard these words, he dropped dead. Everyone who heard this conversation was terrified.<br>
[<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=acts%205%3A1-5&version=CEB">CEB</a> (2011)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">But a man named Ananias, with the consent of his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property; with his wife’s knowledge, he kept back some of the proceeds and brought only a part and laid it at the apostles’ feet. <br>
<span class="tab">“Ananias,” Peter asked, “why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back part of the proceeds of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, were not the proceeds at your disposal? How is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You did not lie to us but to God!” <br>
<span class="tab">Now when Ananias heard these words, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard of it.<br>
[<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=acts%205%3A1-5&version=NRSVUE">NRSV</a> (2021 ed.)]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Euripides -- Hecuba [Hekabe; Ἑκάβη], l. 1028ff (c. 424 BC) [tr. @sentantiq (2020)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[CHORUS:The meeting place Of debt to Justice and to the gods Is a terrible, terrible place. ΧΟΡΟΣ:[τὸ γὰρ ὑπέγγυον Δίκᾳ καὶ θεοῖσιν οὐ συμπίτνει: ὀλέθριον ὀλέθριον κακόν.] To Polymestor as he unknowingly goes to suffer Hecuba&#8217;s bloody vengeance. (Source (Greek)). Alternate translations: For twofold ruin doth impend O&#8217;er him who human laws pursue, And righteous [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">CHORUS:<span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">The meeting place<br />
Of debt to Justice and to the gods<br />
Is a terrible, terrible place.</span></span></span></span></span></p>
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<p class="hangingindent">ΧΟΡΟΣ:<span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">[τὸ γὰρ ὑπέγγυον<br />
Δίκᾳ καὶ θεοῖσιν οὐ συμπίτνει:<br />
ὀλέθριον ὀλέθριον κακόν.]</span></span></span></span></span></p>
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<br><b>Euripides</b> (485?-406? BC) Greek tragic dramatist<br><i>Hecuba</i> [Hekabe; Ἑκάβη], l. 1028ff (c. 424 BC) [tr. @sentantiq (2020)] 
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To Polymestor as he unknowingly goes to suffer Hecuba's bloody vengeance.<br><br>

(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0097%3Acard%3D1025#:~:text=%CF%84%E1%BD%B8%20%CE%B3%E1%BD%B0%CF%81%20%E1%BD%91%CF%80%CE%AD%CE%B3%CE%B3%CF%85%CE%BF%CE%BD,%E1%BD%80%CE%BB%CE%AD%CE%B8%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BF%CE%BD%20%CE%BA%CE%B1%CE%BA%CF%8C%CE%BD.">Source (Greek)</a>). Alternate translations: <br><br>

<blockquote>For twofold ruin doth impend <br>
O'er him who human laws pursue,<br>
And righteous Gods indignant view.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/nineteentragedi01wodhgoog/page/46/mode/2up?q=%22twofold+ruin%22">Wodhull</a> (1809)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>For where the rites of hospitality coincide with justice, and with the Gods, on the villain who dares to violate these destructive, destructive indeed impends the evil.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://topostext.org/work/38#:~:text=for%20where%20the%20rites%20of%20hospitality%20coincide%20with%20justice%2C%20and%20with%20the%20Gods%2C%20on%20the%20villain%20who%20dares%20to%20violate%20these%20destructive%2C%20destructive%20indeed%20impends%20the%20evil.">Edwards</a> (1826)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>For wherever it cometh to pass that the rightful demand<br>
Of justice's claim and the laws of the Gods be at one,<br>
Then is ruinous bane for the sinner, O ruinous bane!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Tragedies_of_Euripides_(Way)/Hecuba#:~:text=For%20wherever%20it,O%20ruinous%20bane%C2%A0!">Way</a> (Loeb) (1894)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>When the Gods and Justice meet,<br>
And the Pledge that is forfeited,<br>
The end is Ruin.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.$b290571&seq=56&q1=%22when+the+gods+and+justice%22">Sheppard</a> (1924)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>For the rights of justice and of the gods do not fall together; there is ruin full of death and doom.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0098%3Acard%3D1025#:~:text=For%20the%20rights%20of%20justice%20and%20of%20the%20gods%20do%20not%20fall%20together%3B%20%5B1030%5D%20there%20is%20ruin%20full%20of%20death%20and%20doom.">Coleridge</a> (1938)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Justice and the gods<br>
exact the loan at last.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/euripidesiiihecu00euri/page/58/mode/2up?q=%22exact+the+loan%22">Arrowsmith</a> (1958)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>When the gods call in their debt<br>
and Justice wants your scalp as well,<br>
better for you if you were dead<br>
as your life will be one long hell.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hecuba/94JBBAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22call%20in%20their%20debt%22">Harrison</a> (2005)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Because when Justice and Heaven are both transgressed, there will be doom. Doom and more doom!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://bacchicstage.wordpress.com/euripides/hekabe-aka-hecuba/#:~:text=Because%20when%20Justice%20and%20Heaven%20are%20both%20transgressed%2C%20there%20will%20be%20doom.%20Doom%20and%20more%20doom!">Theodoridis</a> (2007)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Where justice and the gods converge, there’s a maelstrom. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.didaskalia.net/issues/8/32/HecubaKardanStreet.pdf#page=32">Karden/Street</a> (2011)]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Paine, Thomas -- Letter (1797-05-12), &#8220;An Answer to a Friend&#8221; concerning The Age of Reason (1794)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is from the Bible that man has learned cruelty, rapine, and murder; for the belief of a cruel God makes a cruel man.</p>
<br><b>Thomas Paine</b> (1737–1809) American political philosopher and writer<br>Letter (1797-05-12), &#8220;An Answer to a Friend&#8221; concerning <i>The Age of Reason</i> (1794) 
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Sometimes paraphrased: "Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man."

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		<title>Omar Khayyam -- Rubáiyát [رباعیات], Bod. #  19 [tr. Whinfield (1882), # 22]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Behold these cups, he takes such pains to make them, And then enraged lets ruin overtake them; So many shapely feet, and heads, and hands, What love drives him to make, what wrath to break them? Other translations: Another said &#8212; &#8220;Why, ne&#8217;er a peevish Boy, &#8220;Would break the Bowl from which he drank in [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Behold these cups, he takes such pains to make them,<br />
And then enraged lets ruin overtake them;<br />
<span class="tab">So many shapely feet, and heads, and hands,<br />
What love drives him to make, what wrath to break them?<br />
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<br><b>Omar Khayyám </b> (1048–1123) Persian poet, mathematician, philosopher, astronomer [عمر خیام]<br><i>Rubáiyát</i> [رباعیات], Bod. #  19 [tr. Whinfield (1882), # 22] 
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Other translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>Another said -- "Why, ne'er a peevish Boy,<br>
"Would break the Bowl from which he drank in Joy;<br>
<span class="tab">"Shall He that <i>made</i> the Vessel in pure Love<br>
"And Fancy, in an after Rage destroy?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Rubaiyat_of_Omar_Khayyam_(tr._Fitzgerald,_1st_edition)/The_Rubaiyat_of_Omar_Khayyam#:~:text=Another%20said%E2%80%94%22Why,after%20Rage%20destroy!%22">FitzGerald</a>, 1st ed. (1859), # 62]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Another said, "Why, ne'er a peevish Boy<br>
"Would break the Cup from which he drank in Joy;<br>
<span class="tab">"Shall He that of his own free Fancy made<br>
"The Vessel, in an after-rage destroy!"<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Rubaiyat_of_Omar_Khayyam_(tr._Fitzgerald,_2nd_edition)#:~:text=Another%20said%2C%20%22Why%2C%20ne%27er%20a%20peevish%20Boy%0A%22Would%20break%20the%20Cup%20from%20which%20he%20drank%20in%20Joy%3B%0A%22Shall%20He%20that%20of%20his%20own%20free%20Fancy%20made%0A%22The%20Vessel%2C%20in%20an%20after%2Drage%20destroy!%22">FitzGerald</a>, 2nd ed. (1868), # 92]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Then said a Second -- "Ne'er a peevish Boy<br>
"Would break the Bowl from which he drank in joy;<br>
<span class="tab">"And He that with his hand the Vessel made<br>
"Will surely not in after Wrath destroy."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Rubaiyat_of_Omar_Khayyam_(tr._Fitzgerald,_3rd_edition)#:~:text=Then%20said%20a%20Second%2D%2D%22Ne%27er%20a%20peevish%20Boy%0A%22Would%20break%20the%20Bowl%20from%20which%20he%20drank%20in%20joy%3B%0A%22And%20He%20that%20with%20his%20hand%20the%20Vessel%20made%0A%22Will%20surely%20not%20in%20after%20Wrath%20destroy.%22">FitzGerald, 3rd ed.</a> (1872), # 85; <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Rubaiyat_of_Omar_Khayyam_(tr._Fitzgerald,_4th_edition)#:~:text=%C2%A0Then%20said%20a%20Second%2D%2D%22Ne%27er%20a%20peevish%20Boy%0A%C2%A0Would%20break%20the%20Bowl%20from%20which%20he%20drank%20in%20joy%3B%0A%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0And%20He%20that%20with%20his%20hand%20the%20Vessel%20made%0A%C2%A0Will%20surely%20not%20in%20after%20Wrath%20destroy.%22">4th ed.</a> (1879) # 85; <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Rubaiyat_of_Omar_Khayyam_(tr._Fitzgerald,_5th_edition)#:~:text=%C2%A0Then%20said%20a%20Second%2D%2D%22Ne%27er%20a%20peevish%20Boy%0A%C2%A0Would%20break%20the%20Bowl%20from%20which%20he%20drank%20in%20joy%3B%0A%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0And%20He%20that%20with%20his%20hand%20the%20Vessel%20made%0A%C2%A0Will%20surely%20not%20in%20after%20Wrath%20destroy.%22">5th ed.</a> (1889), # 78]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Who can believe that he who made the cup would dream of destroying it? All those fair faces, all those lovely limbs, all those enchanting bodies, what love has made them, and what hate destroys them?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://rubaiyatconcordance.org/the-bodleian-quatrains/bodleian-quatrain-nr-19.html#:~:text=WHO%20CAN%20BELIEVE%20THAT%20HE%20WHO%0AMADE%20THE%20CUP%20WOULD%20DREAM%20OF%0ADESTROYING%20IT%3F%20ALL%20THOSE%20FAIR%0AFACES%2C%20ALL%20THOSE%20LOVELY%20LIMBS%2C%20ALL%0ATHOSE%20ENCHANTING%20BODIES%2C%20WHAT%0ALOVE%20HAS%20MADE%20THEM%2C%20AND%20WHAT%0AHATE%20DESTROYS%20THEM%3F">McCarthy</a> (1879), # 100]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Behold these cups! Can He who deigned to make them,<br>
In wanton freak let ruin overtake them,<br>
<span class="tab">So many shapely feet and hands and heads, --<br>
What love drives Him to make, what wrath to break them?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://rubaiyatconcordance.org/the-bodleian-quatrains/bodleian-quatrain-nr-19.html#:~:text=Behold%20these%20cups%20!%20Can%20He%20who%20deigned%20to%20make%20them%2C%0AIn%20wanton%20freak%20let%20ruin%20overtake%20them%2C%0ASo%20many%20shapely%20feet%20and%20hands%20and%20heads%2C%20%E2%80%94%0AWhat%20love%20drives%20Him%20to%20make%2C%20what%20wrath%20to%20break%20them%3F">Whinfield</a> (1883), # 42]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>What man believes that He who made the Vase <br>
Will sometime shatter it in Anger base?<br>
<span class="tab">The Maker of these weak misguided Men <br>
Will surely not in Wrath His Works efface.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/rubaiyatofomarkh01omar/page/164/mode/2up?q=%22What+man+believes+that+He%22">Garner</a> (1887), 8.8]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The elements of a cup which he has put together,<br>
their breaking up a drinker cannot approve,<br>
all these heads and delicate feet -- with his finger-tips,<br>
for love of whom did he make them? -- for hate of whom did he break them?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://rubaiyatconcordance.org/translations/cadell---1899.html#:~:text=The%20elements%20of%20a%20cup%20which%20he%20has%20put%20together%2C%0Atheir%20breaking%20up%20a%20drinker%20cannot%20approve%2C%0Aall%20these%20heads%20and%20delicate%20feet%E2%80%94with%20his%20finger%2Dtips%2C%0Afor%20love%20of%20whom%20did%20he%20make%20them%3F%E2%80%94for%20hate%20of%20whom%20did%20he%20break%20them%3F">Heron-Allen</a> (1898), # 19] </blockquote><br>
 
<blockquote>He who has formed the goblet from the clay<br>
<span class="tab">Can ne'er destroy his art's surpassing token.<br>
These hands and feet and face of beauty -- say,<br>
<span class="tab">Why framed in love, and why in fury broken?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://rubaiyatconcordance.org/translations/cadell---1899.html#:~:text=He%20who%20has%20formed%20the%20goblet%20from%20the%20clay%0ACan%20ne%27er%20destroy%20his%20art%27s%20surpassing%20token.%0AThese%20hands%20and%20feet%20and%20face%20of%20beauty%20%2D%20say%2C%0AWhy%20framed%20in%20love%2C%20and%20why%20in%20fury%20broken%3F">Cadell</a> (1899), # 12]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The framework of the cup He did unite.<br>
To break in rage how should God deem it right?<br>
<span class="tab">So many comely heads, feet, hands and arms!<br>
Shaped by what love, and broke in what despite?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://rubaiyatconcordance.org/translations/thompson---1906.html#:~:text=The%20framework%20of%20the%20cup%20He%20did%20unite.%0ATo%20break%20in%20rage%20how%20should%20God%20deem%20it%20right%3F%0ASo%20many%20comely%20heads%2C%20feet%2C%20hands%20and%20arms!%0AShaped%20by%20what%20love%2C%20and%20broke%20in%20what%20despite%3F">Thompson</a> (1906), # 81]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The Craftsman who hath made a cup so rare <br>
To hold his wine, will handle it with care. <br>
<span class="tab">For love of whom, then, made He thee and me, <br>
or hate of whom to break and not to spare?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/proseandverse_heronallen_talbot_rubaiyatofomarkhayyam_text/page/n11/mode/2up?q=%22hath+made+a+cup%22">Talbot</a> (1908), # 19]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>It is not allowable for a man, [even when] drunk, to destroy<br>
the composition of a cup which he has put together.<br>
So many fair heads and feet, formed by His hand, for<br>
love of whom did He make them? and for hate of whom<br>
did He destroy them?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://rubaiyatconcordance.org/translations/christensen---1927.html#:~:text=It%20is%20not%20allowable%20for%20a%20man%2C%20%5Beven%20when%5D%20drunk%2C%20to%20destroy%0Athe%20composition%20of%20a%20cup%20which%20he%20has%20put%20together.%0ASo%20many%20fair%20heads%20and%20feet%2C%20formed%20by%20His%20hand%2C%20for%0Alove%20of%20whom%20did%20He%20make%20them%3F%20and%20for%20hate%20of%20whom%0Adid%20He%20destroy%20them%3F">Christensen</a> (1927), # 77]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The parts which have united to form a goblet<br>
Even the intoxicated refrain to break up again.<br>
<span class="tab">So many heads and tender hands;<br>
By whose bounty were they united and through whose wrath were they broken up?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://rubaiyatconcordance.org/translations/rosen---1928.html#:~:text=The%20parts%20which%20have%20united%20to%20form%20a%20goblet%0AEven%20the%20intoxicated%20refrain%20to%20break%20up%20again.%0ASo%20many%20heads%20and%20tender%20hands%3B%0ABy%20whose%20bounty%20were%20they%20united%20and%20through%20whose%20wrath%20were%20they%0Abroken%20up%3F">Rosen</a> (1928), # 10]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>We know that body once can earn His grace,<br>
We should not wear it hence in wasteful ways;<br>
<span class="tab">Such graceful form, and slender hands and face,<br>
He cherished so, should we in hate efface?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://rubaiyatconcordance.org/translations/tirtha---1941.html#:~:text=We%20know%20that%20body%20once%20can%20earn%20His%20grace%2C%0AWe%20should%20not%20wear%20it%20hence%20in%20wasteful%20ways%3B%0ASuch%20graceful%20form%2C%20and%20slender%20hands%20and%20face%2C%0AHe%20cherished%20so%2C%20should%20we%20in%20hate%20efface%3F">Tirtha</a> (1941), # 5.16]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The elements that constitute a bowl<br>
Hate all besotted murderers of bowls --<br>
Bowls deftly moulded for the love of whom?<br>
Then dashed to pieces, as a curse on whom?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/originalrubaiyya00omar/page/70/mode/2up?q=92">Graves & Ali-Shah</a> (1967), # 92]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>This bowl, which in its symmetry<br>
<span class="tab">Before us perfect stands,<br>
The Potter made from particles<br>
<span class="tab">Of human heads and hands.<br>
His love achieved a masterpiece:<br>
<span class="tab">Whose hate, what drunken whim,<br>
Could shater into nothingness<br>
<span class="tab">The clay so loved by him?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/isbn_0856680389/page/100/mode/2up?view=theater&q=%22before+us+perfect%22">Bowen</a> (1976), #  50 "The Potter"]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>When the clay into a cup is molded<br>
Its breaking, the drunk scolded;<br>
<span class="tab">Many limbs and heads are enfolded<br>
Through whose love unfolded, by which decree folded?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.okonlife.com/poems/page3.htm#:~:text=When%20the%20clay%20into%20a%20cup%20is%20molded%0AIts%20breaking%2C%20the%20drunk%20scolded%3B%0AMany%20limbs%20and%20heads%20are%20enfolded%0AThrough%20whose%20love%20unfolded%2C%20by%20which%20decree%20folded%3F">Shahriari</a> (1998), #  27, literal]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The genius that shapes the form<br>
Is far above mundane and norm<br>
<span class="tab">Clay into life shall transform<br>
Back into dust by death’s storm.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.okonlife.com/poems/page3.htm#:~:text=The%20genius%20that%20shapes%20the%20form%0AIs%20far%20above%20mundane%20and%20norm%0AClay%20into%20life%20shall%20transform%0ABack%20into%20dust%20by%20death%E2%80%99s%20storm.">Shahriari</a> (1998), #  27, figurative]</blockquote><br>
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		<title>Euripides -- Electra [Ἠλέκτρα], l.  743ff, Antistrophe 2 (c. 420 BC) [tr. Wilson (2016)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[CHORUS: But fairy tales that scare us humans are useful for religion. [ΧΟΡΟΣ: φοβεροὶ δὲ βροτοῖσι μῦ- θοι κέρδος πρὸς θεῶν θεραπεί- αν.] Following recounting of a story in which Zeus made the sun move backwards in the sky to punish Thyestes for his treachery. (Source (Greek)). Other translations: Fresh strength is added to religion&#8217;s [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">CHORUS: But fairy tales that scare us humans<br />
are useful for religion.</p>
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<p class="hangingindent">[ΧΟΡΟΣ: φοβεροὶ δὲ βροτοῖσι μῦ-<br />
θοι κέρδος πρὸς θεῶν θεραπεί-<br />
αν.]</p>
<p></p>
<br><b>Euripides</b> (485?-406? BC) Greek tragic dramatist<br><i>Electra</i> [Ἠλέκτρα], l.  743ff, Antistrophe 2 (c. 420 BC) [tr. Wilson (2016)] 
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Following <a href="https://johnstoniatexts.x10host.com/euripides/electrahtml.html#n17:~:text=Thyestes%20and%20Atreus,shrine%20was%20located.">recounting of a story</a> in which Zeus made the sun move backwards in the sky to punish Thyestes for his treachery.<br><br>

(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0095%3Acard%3D737#:~:text=%CF%86%CE%BF%CE%B2%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%BF%E1%BD%B6%20%CE%B4%E1%BD%B2%20%CE%B2%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%84%CE%BF%E1%BF%96%CF%83%CE%B9,%CE%B1%CE%BD.">Source (Greek)</a>). Other translations: <br><br>

<blockquote>Fresh strength is added to religion's base <br>
By fables which man's breast with terror fill.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/nineteentragedi02wodhgoog/page/282/mode/2up?q=%22but+tales+like+these%22">Wodhull</a> (1809)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But tales that frighten men are profitable for service to the gods.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0096%3Acard%3D737#:~:text=But%20tales%20that%20frighten%20men%20are%20profitable%20for%20service%20to%20the%20gods">Coleridge</a> (1891)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But stories terrible to mortals are a gain for the worship of the gods.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_tragedies_of_Euripides_literally_tr/xdkNAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22stories%20terrible%22">Buckley</a> (1892)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Yet it may be the tale liveth, soul-affraying,<br>
To bow us to Godward in lowly obeying.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Tragedies_of_Euripides_(Way)/Electra#:~:text=Yet%20it%20may%20be%20the%20tale%20liveth%2C%20soul%2Daffraying%2C%0ATo%20bow%20us%20to%20Godward%20in%20lowly%20obeying.">Way</a> (1896)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Once, men told the tale, and trembled;<br>
<span class="tab">Fearing God.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Electra_(Murray)/Text#:~:text=Once%2C%20men%20told%20the%20tale%2C%20and%20trembled%3B%0A%0AFearing%20God">Murray</a> (1905)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Such shocking myths are for the good of men, to frighten them into believing in the gods.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://bacchicstage.wordpress.com/euripides/elektra-aka-electra/#:~:text=Such%20shocking%20myths%20are%20for%20the%20good%20of%20men%2C%20to%20frighten%20them%20into%20believing%20in%20the%20gods.">Theodoridis</a> (2006)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But tales which terrify mankind<br>
are profitable and serve the gods.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://johnstoniatexts.x10host.com/euripides/electrahtml.html#:~:text=But%20tales%20which%20terrify%20mankind%0Aare%20profitable%20and%20serve%20the%20gods.">Johnston</a> (2009)] </blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Selden, John -- Table Talk, §  65 &#8220;God&#8217;s Judgments&#8221; (1689)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Commonly we say a [divine] judgment falls upon a man for something in him we cannot abide. An example we have in King James, concerning the death of Henry the IVth of France; one said he was killed for his wenching, another said he was killed for turning his religion. No, says King James, (who [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Commonly we say a [divine] judgment falls upon a man for something in him we cannot abide. An example we have in King James, concerning the death of Henry the IVth of France; one said he was killed for his wenching, another said he was killed for turning his religion. No, says King James, (who could not abide fighting) he was killed for permitting duels in his kingdom.</p>
<br><b>John Selden</b> (1584–1654) English jurist, legal scholar, antiquarian, polymath<br><i>Table Talk</i>, §  65 &#8220;God&#8217;s Judgments&#8221; (1689) 
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		<title>Omar Khayyam -- Rubáiyát [رباعیات], Bod. # 127 [tr. Le Gallienne (1897)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eternal torment some sour wits foretell For those who follow wine and love too well, &#8212; Fear not, for God were left alone in Heaven If all the lovely lovers burnt in hell. I am fairly certain I am conflating two different quatrains below, Bodleian 127 (which mentions hypocrisy in the second line), and one [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eternal torment some sour wits foretell<br />
For those who follow wine and love too well, &#8212;<br />
<span class="tab">Fear not, for God were left alone in Heaven<br />
If all the lovely lovers burnt in hell.</span></p>
<br><b>Omar Khayyám </b> (1048–1123) Persian poet, mathematician, philosopher, astronomer [عمر خیام]<br><i>Rubáiyát</i> [رباعیات], Bod. # 127 [tr. Le Gallienne (1897)] 
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I am fairly certain I am conflating two different quatrains below, Bodleian 127 (which mentions hypocrisy in the second line), and one not found in that manuscript (see the Whinfield translations). But both conclude with the sentiment that if lovers and drinkers are to be sent to Hell, then Heaven will be empty. Further discernment is left as an exercise for the reader.<br><br>

This quatrain(s) is also unique in FitzGerald only offering a single go at translation, and that in just the 2nd ed.<br><br>

Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>If but the Vine and Love-abjuring Band<br>
Are in the Prophet's Paradise to stand,<br>
<span class="tab">Alack, I doubt the Prophet's Paradise<br>
Were empty as the hollow of one's hand.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Rubaiyat_of_Omar_Khayyam_(tr._Fitzgerald,_2nd_edition)#:~:text=If%20but%20the%20Vine%20and%20Love%2Dabjuring%20Band%0AAre%20in%20the%20Prophet%27s%20Paradise%20to%20stand%2C%0AAlack%2C%20I%20doubt%20the%20Prophet%27s%20Paradise%0AWere%20empty%20as%20the%20hollow%20of%20one%27s%20Hand.">FitzGerald</a>, 2nd Ed (1868), # 65; this does not appear in other editions before or after]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Folk say that there is a hell. This is a vain error, in which no trust should be placed, for if there were a hell for lovers and for bibbers of wine, why heaven would be, from to-morrow morn, as empty as the hollow of my hand.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/rubiytofomark00omar/page/92/mode/2up?q=%22CXXXI+Folk+say%22">McCarthy</a> (1879), # 131] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>If wine be an unpardonable sin, <br>
God help Khayyam and his wine-bibbing kin! <br>
<span class="tab">If all poor drouthy souls be lodged elsewhere, <br>
Heaven's plains must be as bare as maiden's chin.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/rubaiyatofomarkh01omar/page/200/mode/2up?q=%22wine+be+an+unpardonable%22">Whinfield</a> (1882), # 33]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Drunkards are doomed to hell, so men declare,<br>
Believe it not, 'tis but a foolish scare;<br>
<span class="tab">Heaven will be empty as this hand of mine,<br>
If none who love good drink find entrance there.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Quatrains_of_Omar_Khayyam_(tr._Whinfield,_1883)/Quatrains_1-100#:~:text=Drunkards%20are%20doomed%20to%20hell%2C%20so%20men%20declare%2C%0ABelieve%20it%20not%2C%20%27tis%20but%20a%20foolish%20scare%3B%0A%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0Heaven%20will%20be%20empty%20as%20this%20hand%20of%20mine%2C%0AIf%20none%20who%20love%20good%20drink%20find%20entrance%20there.">Whinfield</a> (1883), # 67]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>To drain the cup, to hover round the fair,<br>
Can hypocritic arts with these compare?<br>
<span class="tab">If all who love and drink are going wrong,<br>
There's many a wight of heaven may well despair!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://rubaiyatconcordance.org/the-bodleian-quatrains/bodleian-quatrain-nr-127.html#:~:text=To%20drain%20the%20cup%2C%20to%20hover%20round%20the%20fair%2C%0ACan%20hypocritic%20arts%20with%20these%20compare%3F%0AIf%20all%20who%20love%20and%20drink%20are%20going%20wrong%2C%0AThere%27s%20many%20a%20wight%20of%20heaven%20may%20well%20despair!">Winfield</a> (1883), #381]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>With Tales of future pains men threaten me,<br>
They say there is a Hell in store for thee; -- <br>
<span class="tab">Love, if there is a Hell for all like us, <br>
Their Heaven as empty as my Palm will be.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/rubaiyatofomarkh01omar/page/200/mode/2up?q=%22tales+of+future%22">Garner</a> (1887), 1.19]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>To drink wine and consort with a company of the beautiful<br>
is better than practising the hypocrisy of the zealot;<br>
<span class="tab">if the lover and the drunkard are doomed to hell,<br>
then no one will see the face of heaven.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/proseandverse_heronallen_talbot_rubaiyatofomarkhayyam_text/page/n37/mode/2up?q=%22to+drink+wine+and%22">Heron-Allen</a> (1898), # 127]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Better to drink, with fair maids wander free.<br>
Than in deceit to practice piety;<br>
<span class="tab">If sots and lovers all in Hell will be.<br>
Then who would wish the face of Heaven to see?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://rubaiyatconcordance.org/translations/thompson---1906.html#:~:text=Better%20to%20drink%2C%20with%20fair%20maids%20wander%20free.%0AThan%20in%20deceit%20to%20practice%20piety%3B%0AIf%20sots%20and%20lovers%20all%20in%20Hell%20will%20be.%0AThen%20who%20would%20wish%20the%20face%20of%20Heaven%20to%20see%3F">Thompson</a> (1906), # 425]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Tis better here with Love and Wine to sit <br>
Than to become the zealous hypocrite; <br>
<span class="tab">If all who love or drink are doom'd to Hell, <br>
On whom shall Heaven bestow a benefit?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/proseandverse_heronallen_talbot_rubaiyatofomarkhayyam_text/page/n37/mode/2up?q=%22better+here+with+Love%22">Talbot</a> (1908), # 127]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Drinking wine and wooing fair ones<br>
Is a better thing than the hypocrisy of fanatics.<br>
<span class="tab">If all who drink wine were to go to Hell<br>
No one would then behold Paradise.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://rubaiyatconcordance.org/translations/rosen---1928.html#:~:text=Drinking%20wine%20and%20wooing%20fair%20ones%0AIs%20a%20better%20thing%20than%20the%20hypocrisy%20of%20fanatics.%0AIf%20all%20who%20drink%20wine%20were%20to%20go%20to%20Hell%0ANo%20one%20would%20then%20behold%20Paradise.">Rosen</a> (1928), # 256]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Better to drink and dance with rosy fairs,<br>
Than cheat the folk with doubtful pious wares;<br>
<span class="tab">Tho' drunkards, so they say, are doomed to hell,<br>
To go to heaven with cheats who ever cares?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://rubaiyatconcordance.org/translations/tirtha---1941.html#:~:text=Better%20to%20drink%20and%20dance%20with%20rosy%20fairs%2C%0AThan%20cheat%20the%20folk%20with%20doubtful%20pious%20wares%3B%0ATho%27%20drunkards%2C%20so%20they%20say%2C%20are%20doomed%20to%20hell%2C%0ATo%20go%20to%20heaven%20with%20cheats%20who%20ever%20cares%3F">Tirtha</a> (1941), # 10.88]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>They say lovers and drunkards go to hell,<br>
A controversial dictum not easy to accept:<br>
<span class="tab">If the lover and drunkard are for hell,<br>
Tomorrow Paradise will be empty.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Ruba_iyat_of_Omar_Khayyam/sUN5XLzv8lMC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%2287%20*%20They%20say%22">Avery/Heath-Stubbs</a> (1979), # 87]</blockquote><br>
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		<title>Billings, Josh -- Everybody&#8217;s Friend, Or; Josh Billing&#8217;s Encyclopedia and Proverbial Philosophy of Wit and Humor, ch. 144 &#8220;Affurisms: Gnats&#8221; (1874)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a lamentable cuss man iz, he pittys hiz nabors misfortunes, bi calling them judgments from heaven.<br />
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[What a lamentable cuss man is: he pities his neighbors&#8217; misfortunes, by calling them judgments from heaven.]</p>
<br><b>Josh Billings</b> (1818–1885) American humorist, aphorist [pseud. of Henry Wheeler Shaw]<br><i>Everybody&#8217;s Friend, Or; Josh Billing&#8217;s Encyclopedia and Proverbial Philosophy of Wit and Humor</i>, ch. 144 &#8220;Affurisms: Gnats&#8221; (1874) 
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		<title>Dante Alighieri -- The Divine Comedy [Divina Commedia], Book 2 &#8220;Purgatorio,&#8221; Canto 23, l.  97ff (23.97-108) (1314) [tr. Ciardi (1961)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[O my dear brother, what is there to say? In vision I already see a time &#8212; and it is not far distant from this day &#8212; in which the pulpit shall denounce by writ the shameless jades that Florentines call ladies, who go about with breasts bare to the tit. What Moslem woman ever [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O my dear brother, what is there to say?<br />
<span class="tab">In vision I already see a time &#8212;<br />
<span class="tab">and it is not far distant from this day &#8212;<br />
in which the pulpit shall denounce by writ<br />
<span class="tab">the shameless jades that Florentines call ladies,<br />
<span class="tab">who go about with breasts bare to the tit.<br />
What Moslem woman ever has required<br />
<span class="tab">a priestly discipline, or any other,<br />
<span class="tab">before she would go decently attired?<br />
But if the chippies only could foresee<br />
<span class="tab">swift Heaven&#8217;s punishment, they&#8217;d have their mouths<br />
<span class="tab">already open to howl misery.</p>
<p><em>[O dolce frate, che vuo’ tu ch’io dica?<br />
<span class="tab">Tempo futuro m’è già nel cospetto,<br />
<span class="tab">cui non sarà quest’ora molto antica,<br />
nel qual sarà in pergamo interdetto<br />
<span class="tab">a le sfacciate donne fiorentine<br />
<span class="tab">l’andar mostrando con le poppe il petto.<br />
Quai barbare fuor mai, quai saracine,<br />
<span class="tab">cui bisognasse, per farle ir coperte,<br />
<span class="tab">o spiritali o altre discipline?<br />
Ma se le svergognate fosser certe<br />
<span class="tab">di quel che ’l ciel veloce loro ammanna,<br />
<span class="tab">già per urlare avrian le bocche aperte.]</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></em></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<br><b>Dante Alighieri</b> (1265–1321) Italian poet<br><i>The Divine Comedy [Divina Commedia]</i>, Book 2 <i>&#8220;Purgatorio,&#8221;</i> Canto 23, l.  97ff (23.97-108) (1314) [tr. Ciardi (1961)] 
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Forese Donati speaking to Dante, anticipating the "future" (already-past) travails of Florence in the early 1300s, apparently brought about (in part) by the city's shameless women being scantily clad (though no such church edict survives in the record).<br><br

(<a href="https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Divina_Commedia/Purgatorio/Canto_XXIII#:~:text=O%20dolce%20frate,le%20bocche%20aperte">Source (Italian)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">O, Brother! shall I tell, or hide my thought? <br>
The horrible display that Fancy views, <br>
Which soon the pregnant moments will produce,<br>
<span class="tab">And Impudence and Pride's disgraceful lot.<br>
<span class="tab">Soon a stern Voice will teach the shameless kind<br>
A decent covering, as they may, to find,<br>
<span class="tab">Their naked shoulders from the Sun to hide!<br>
Was it amongst Barbarians ever known,<br>
That nought but threats can bind the modest Zone,<br>
<span class="tab">On the young virgin and the plighted Bride?<br>
<span class="tab">But if these dainty Dames could read the Skies,<br>
And spy the slumb'ring tempest soon to rise,<br>
<span class="tab">Those lips that whisper Love, would shriek Despair.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinacommediad00unkngoog/page/n292/mode/2up?q=%22hide+my+thought%3F%22&view=theater">Boyd</a> (1802), st. 19-21] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">O sweet brother!<br>
What wouldst thou have me say? A time to come<br>
<span class="tab">Stands full within my view, to which this hour<br>
<span class="tab">Shall not be counted of an ancient date,<br>
When from the pulpit shall be loudly warn’d<br>
<span class="tab">Th’ unblushing dames of Florence, lest they bare<br>
<span class="tab">Unkerchief’d bosoms to the common gaze.<br>
What savage women hath the world e’er seen,<br>
<span class="tab">What Saracens, for whom there needed scourge<br>
<span class="tab">Of spiritual or other discipline,<br>
<span class="tab">To force them walk with cov’ring on their limbs!<br>
But did they see, the shameless ones, that Heav’n<br>
<span class="tab">Wafts on swift wing toward them, while I speak,<br>
<span class="tab">Their mouths were op’d for howling.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/8795/8795-h/8795-h.htm#cantoII.23:~:text=O%20sweet%20brother,op%E2%80%99d%20for%20howling">Cary</a> (1814)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Oh dear brother! what shall I say to thee?<br>
<span class="tab">A future time now within my view,<br>
<span class="tab">To which the present hour will be but new,<br>
When interdict will issue from the chair<br>
<span class="tab">To Florence ladies of effrontery,<br>
<span class="tab">With naked bosoms, where the pays you spy.<br>
Barbarians and Saracens were there e'er<br>
<span class="tab">Forced to go covered, and their right mind in,<br>
<span class="tab">By spiritual or other discipline?<br>
Their future lot could but the shameless see,<br>
<span class="tab">What the swift Heaven is bringing on its wing,<br>
<span class="tab">To howl their mouths would soon be opening.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/comedyofdanteal00dant/page/268/mode/2up?q=%22oh+dear+brother%22">Bannerman</a> (1850)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O brother sweet, what wilt thou have me say?<br>
<span class="tab">A future time is in my sight already,<br>
<span class="tab">To which this hour will not be very old,<br>
When from the pulpit shall be interdicted<br>
<span class="tab">To the unblushing womankind of Florence<br>
<span class="tab">To go about displaying breast and paps.<br>
What savages were e'er, what Saracens,<br>
<span class="tab">Who stood in need, to make them covered go,<br>
<span class="tab">Of spiritual or other discipline?<br>
But if the shameless women were assured<br>
<span class="tab">Of what swift Heaven prepares for them, already<br>
<span class="tab">Wide open would they have their mouths to howl.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Divine_Comedy_(Longfellow_1867)/Volume_2/Canto_23#:~:text=O%20brother%20sweet,mouths%20to%20howl%3B">Longfellow</a> (1867)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O brother dear, what wouldst have further told?<br>
<span class="tab">A future time already do I see,<br>
<span class="tab">In which the present day will not be old. <br>
When in the Church they'll publish a decree<br>
<span class="tab">Against the insolent lady Florentines,<br>
<span class="tab">Not to expose their breasts for all to see. <br>
When were Barbarians seen or Saracens,<br>
<span class="tab">To whom was needed clothing to enforce.<br>
<span class="tab">Or spiritual, or other disciplines?<br>
But if the shameless ones could see the course<br>
<span class="tab">Which Heaven prepareth for them speedily.<br>
<span class="tab">Now would begin their howlings of remorse.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedyofda00dantrich/page/220/mode/2up?q=%22O+brother+dear%2C%22">Minchin</a> (1885)]  </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O sweet brother, what wouldst thou that I say? A future time is already in my sight, to which this hour will not be very old, in which from the pulpit it shall be forbidden to the brazen-faced dames of Florence to go displaying the bosom with the paps. What Barbarian, what Saracen women were there ever who required either spiritual or other discipline to make them go covered? But if the shameless ones were aware of that which the swift heaven is preparing for them, already would they have their mouths open for howling.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1996/1996-h/1996-h.htm#cantoII.XXIII:~:text=O%20sweet%20brother,open%20for%20howling.">Norton</a> (1892)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">O sweet brother, what would st thou have me say? Already in my vision is a time to come to which this hour shall not be very old,<br>
<span class="tab">when the brazen-faced women of Florence shall be forbidden from the pulpit to go abroad showing their breasts with the paps.<br>
<span class="tab">What Barbary, what Saracen women ever lived, to whom either spiritual, or other discipline were necessary, to make them go covered?<br>
<span class="tab">But if the shameless creatures were assured of what swift heaven is preparing for them, already would they have their mouths open to howl.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/purgatorioofdant00dant_0/page/290/mode/2up?q=%22O+sweet+brother%22">Okey</a> (1901)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O sweet brother, what wilt thou have me say? A coming time is already before my eyes to which this hour will not be very old when from the pulpit it shall be forbidden to the brazen women of Florence to go showing the breast with the paps. What barbarous women, what Saracens, ever were there that needed, to make them go covered, spiritual disciplines or any other? But had the shameless creatures knowledge of what the swift heavens prepare for them, they would have their mouths open already for howling.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/iipurgatoriowith00dant/page/300/mode/2up?q=%22o+sweet+brother%22">Sinclair</a> (1939)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O sweet brother, what would'st thou have me say? <br>
<span class="tab">A time to come already I see indeed, <br>
<span class="tab">Wherefrom this hour shall not be far away.<br>
In which from pulpit shall it be forbid<br>
<span class="tab">To the unashamed women of Florence then<br>
<span class="tab">To go showing the breast with paps not hid.<br>
What woman of Barbary, what Saracen,<br>
<span class="tab">did ever need, to make her go covered, <br>
<span class="tab">Spiritual or other regimen?<br>
But if the unabashed ones were assured<br>
<span class="tab">Of what swift heaven prepares for them on high<br>
<span class="tab">Their mouths would open and their howls be heard.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/portabledante00dant/page/308/mode/2up?q=%22o+sweet+brother%22">Binyon</a> (1943)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Brother of mine, what wilt thou have me say?<br>
<span class="tab">This hour shall not be very old perhaps<br>
<span class="tab">Ere time shall bring what I foresee to-day:<br>
A pulpit interdict, no less, which claps<br>
<span class="tab">Down on our brazen jades of Florentines<br>
<span class="tab">Flaunting unveiled the bosom and the paps.<br>
What female Turk or Berber e'er showed signs<br>
<span class="tab">Of needing to be covered up by force<br>
<span class="tab">Of spiritual or other disciplines?<br>
But could these wantons know what Heaven's swift course<br>
<span class="tab">Prepares for them, they'd have their mouths ajar<br>
<span class="tab">Already, fit to bellow themselves hoarse.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedy0002unse/page/248/mode/2up?q=%22brother+of+mine%22">Sayers</a> (1955)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O sweet brother, what would you have me say? Already in my vision is a future time, to which this hour shall not be very old, when the brazen-faced women of Florence shall be forbidden from the pulpit to go displaying their breasts with the papas. What Barbarian, what Saracen women were there ever, who required either spiritual or other discipline to make them go covered? But if the shameless creatures were assured of what swift heaven is preparing for them, already would they have their mouths open to howl.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Divine_Comedy_II_Purgatorio_Vol_II_P/2Q48EAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22o%20sweet%20brother%22">Singleton</a> (1973)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>My dear brother, how can I tell you this:<br>
<span class="tab">I see a future time -- it won't be long --<br>
<span class="tab">in which bans from the pulpit shall clamp down<br>
on those ladies of Florence who, bold-faced,<br>
<span class="tab">now walk our city streets as they parade<br>
<span class="tab">their bosom to the tits! What barbarous girl,<br>
what female Saracen, had to be taught<br>
<span class="tab">spiritual discipline, or anything,<br>
<span class="tab">to keep her body decently concealed?<br>
But if these shameless creatures only knew<br>
<span class="tab">what the swift heavens have in store for them,<br>
<span class="tab">they would by now be screaming their heads off!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/dantealighierisd03dant/page/228/mode/2up?q=%22my+dear+brother%22&view=theater">Musa</a> (1981)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O gentle brother, what do you want me to say? <br>
<span class="tab">Already I can see a time ahead, <br>
<span class="tab">Before the present hour is very old,<br>
In which the impudent women of Florence <br>
<span class="tab">Will be preached against from the pulpit because <br>
<span class="tab">They go about showing their breasts to the nipples.<br>
What women of Barbary, what Saracens <br>
<span class="tab">Ever needed, to make them go covered, <br>
<span class="tab">Either spiritual or other discipline?<br>
But if the shameless creatures were assured <br>
<span class="tab">Of what swift heaven is getting ready for them, <br>
<span class="tab">They would have their mouths open already, to howl.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedy0000dant/page/300/mode/2up?q=%22o+gentle+brother%22">Sisson</a> (1981)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">O <br>
sweet brother, what would you have had me say? <br>
<span class="tab">A future time’s already visible <br>
<span class="tab">to me -- a time not too far-off from now -- <br>
when, from the pulpit, it shall be forbidden <br>
<span class="tab">to those immodest ones -- Florentine women -- <br>
<span class="tab">to go displaying bosoms with bare paps. <br>
What ordinances -- spiritual, civil -- <br>
<span class="tab">were ever needed by barbarian or <br>
<span class="tab">Saracen women to make them go covered? <br>
But if those shameless ones had certain knowledge <br>
<span class="tab">of what swift Heaven’s readying for them, <br>
<span class="tab">then they would have mouths open now to howl.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/purgatorio0000dant_m5q7/page/204/mode/2up?q=barbagia">Mandelbaum</a> (1982)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">O sweet brother, what would you have me say? Already I foresee a time to come, to which this time will not be too distant, when, from the pulpits, the brazen women of Florence will be forbidden to go round displaying their breasts and nipples.<br>
<span class="tab">When was there ever a Saracen woman, or woman of Barbary, who needed disciplining spiritually or otherwise, to force her to cover herself? But the shameless creatures would already have their mouths open to howl.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Italian/DantPurg22to28.php#:~:text=O%20sweet%20brother,open%20to%20howl%2C">Kline</a> (2002)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">O dear brother, what can I say? A future time is already in my sight when this hour will not seem very ancient,
when from the pulpit it will be forbidden to the brazen Florentine women to walk about showing their chests with their breasts.<br>
<span class="tab">What barbarian women, what Saracens ever needed either spiritual or other penalties to make them go covered up?<br>
<span class="tab">But if those shameless ones knew what the swift heavens are preparing for them, they would already have opened their mouths to howl.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedyofda0002dant_d4k9/page/386/mode/2up?q=%22o+dear+brother%22">Durling</a> (2003)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>What, dearest brother, would you have me say? <br>
<span class="tab">A future time, already in my sight, <br>
<span class="tab">will come (when our time’s still not history),<br>
when, from the pulpit, there’ll be issued bans <br>
<span class="tab">forbidding bare-faced Florence girls to go <br>
<span class="tab">with blatant breasts and both their boobs on show.<br>
What mere barbarians or Saracens <br>
<span class="tab">required a priest or threat of on-spot fines <br>
<span class="tab">to make them cover up when they go out!<br>
If, though, these brazen creatures only guessed <br>
<span class="tab">what Heaven so swiftly will bring down on them, <br>
<span class="tab">then they’d already howl with open mouths.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedy2pur0000dant/page/216/mode/2up?q=%22what+dearest+brother%22">Kirkpatrick</a> (2007)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O sweet brother, what would you have me say?<br>
<span class="tab">In my vision even now I see a time,<br>
<span class="tab">before this hour shall be very old,<br>
when from the pulpit it shall be forbidden<br>
<span class="tab">for the brazen ladies of Florence<br>
<span class="tab">to flaunt their nipples with their breasts.<br>
What barbarous women, what Saracens,<br>
<span class="tab">have ever needed spiritual instruction<br>
<span class="tab">or other rules, to walk about in proper dress?<br>
But if these shameless creatures knew<br>
<span class="tab">what the swift heavens are preparing, even now<br>
<span class="tab">their mouths would be spread open in a howl.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://dante.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/dante/campuscgi/mpb/GetCantoSection.pl?INP_POEM=Purg&INP_SECT=23&INP_START=97&INP_LEN=12&LANG=0">Hollander/Hollander</a> (2007)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O, my sweet brother, what can you ask me to say?<br>
<span class="tab">Looking into the future, I already see --<br>
<span class="tab">And the hour will not be long in coming, I believe --<br>
When priests in our pulpits will forbid Florence's lewd<br>
<span class="tab">And insolent women from going about the streets,<br>
<span class="tab">Their breasts bare well below the nipples.<br>
Were there ever barbarian women, or Turks,<br>
<span class="tab">Who needed heavy discipline -- by priests<br>
<span class="tab">Or by law -- to keep them decently covered? But such<br>
Disgraceful creatures, should they realize <br>
<span class="tab">For sure what quick-handed Heaven has ready for them,<br>
<span class="tab">They'd now be ready to open their mouths and howl!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Divine_Comedy/WZyBj-s9PfsC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22my%20sweet%20brother%22">Raffel</a> (2010)] </blockquote><br>
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		<title>Homer -- The Odyssey [Ὀδύσσεια], Book 11, l.  61 (11.61) [Elpenor] (c. 700 BC) [tr. Murray (1919)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[An evil doom of some god was my undoing, and measureless wine. [ἆσέ με δαίμονος αἶσα κακὴ καὶ ἀθέσφατος οἶνος.] Odysseus first encounter in the Underworld is the shade of his comrade Elpenor, whose body had been left on Circe&#8217;s island. This is Elpenor&#8217;s explanation of his death (10.552-560). Drunk with his crew mates, he [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An evil doom of some god was my undoing, and measureless wine.</p>
<p>[ἆσέ με δαίμονος αἶσα κακὴ καὶ ἀθέσφατος οἶνος.]</p>
<br><b>Homer</b> (fl. 7th-8th C. BC) Greek author<br><i>The Odyssey</i> [Ὀδύσσεια], Book 11, l.  61 (11.61) [Elpenor] (c. 700 BC) [tr. Murray (1919)] 
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Odysseus first encounter in the Underworld is the shade of his comrade Elpenor, whose body had been left on Circe's island. This is Elpenor's explanation of his death (10.552-560). Drunk with his crew mates, he climbed a ladder to the roof of Circe's palace to sleep it off. When he heard his friends preparing to leave, he either fell from or forgot about using the ladder, plummeting to his ignominious death.<br><br>

(<a href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=oi%29%3Dnos&la=greek&can=oi%29%3Dnos0&prior=a)qe/sfatos">Source (Greek)</a>). Other translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>In Circe’s house, the spite some spirit did bear,<br>
<span class="tab">And the unspeakable good liquor there,<br>
Hath been my bane.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/48895/48895-h/48895-h.htm#chap11:~:text=In%20Circe%E2%80%99s%20house%2C%20the%20spite%20some%20spirit%20did%20bear%2C%0AAnd%20the%20unspeakable%20good%20liquor%20there%2C%0AHath%20been%20my%20bane">Chapman</a> (1616)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I had come along with th’ bark,<br>
But that the Devil and excess of wine<br>
Made me to fall, and break my neck i’ th’ dark.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://oll.libertyfund.org/title/hobbes-the-english-works-vol-x-iliad-and-odyssey#lf0051-10_head_3025">Hobbes</a> (1675), l. 54ff]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">To hell my doom I owe,<br>
<span class="tab">Demons accursed, dire ministers of woe!<br>
My feet, through wine unfaithful to their weight,<br>
<span class="tab">Betray'd me tumbling from a towery height.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Odyssey_(Pope)/Book_XI#:~:text=To%20hell%20my%20doom%20I%20owe%2C%0ADemons%20accursed%2C%20dire%20ministers%20of%20woe!%0AMy%20feet%2C%20through%20wine%20unfaithful%20to%20their%20weight%2C%0ABetray%27d%20me%20tumbling%20from%20a%20towery%20height">Pope</a> (1725)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Fool’d by some dæmon and the intemp’rate bowl.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/24269/24269-h/24269-h.htm#BOOK_XI:~:text=Fool%E2%80%99d%20by%20some,house%20of%20Circe">Cowper</a> (1792), ll. 69-70]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">I died<br>
By stroke of fate and the dread fumes of wine.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Odyssey_of_Homer/7-Eh5oFk6msC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA258">Worsley</a> (1861), st. 9]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Ill fate destroyed me, and unstinted wine!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Nearly_Literal_Translation_of_Homer_s/44YXAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22unstinted%20wine%22">Bigge-Wither</a> (1869)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>An evil doom of some god was my bane, and wine out of measure.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1728/1728-h/1728-h.htm#chap11:~:text=an%20evil%20doom%20of%20some%20god%20was%20my%20bane%20and%20wine%20out%20of%20measure.">Butcher/Lang</a> (1879)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>God's doom and wine unstinted on me the bane hath brought.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Odyssey_of_Homer/VwcOAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22wine%20unstinted%22">Morris</a> (1887)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Heaven's cruel doom destroyed me, and excess of wine.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Odyssey/KYlBAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22excess%20of%20wine%22">Palmer</a> (1891)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>It was all bad luck, and my own unspeakable drunkenness.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Odyssey_(Butler)/Book_XI#:~:text=%27it%20was%20all%20bad%20luck%2C%20and%20my%20own%20unspeakable%20drunkenness">Butler</a> (1898)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>It was all bad luck of a <em>daimôn</em>, and my own unspeakable drunkenness.<br>
[tr. Butler (1898), rev. <a href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0218%3Abook%3D11%3Acard%3D1#:~:text=%E2%80%98it%20was%20all%20bad%20luck%20of%20a%20daim%C3%B4n%2C%20and%20my%20own%20unspeakable%20drunkenness.">Power/Nagy</a> (1900)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>It was all bad luck of a superhuman force <em>[daimōn],</em> and my own unspeakable drunkenness.<br>
[tr. Butler (1898), rev. <a href="https://chs.harvard.edu/primary-source/homeric-odyssey-sb/#11t:~:text=it%20was%20all%20bad%20luck%20of%20a%20superhuman%20force%20%5Bdaim%C5%8Dn%5D%2C%20and%20my%20own%20unspeakable%20drunkenness.">Kim/McCray/Nagy/Power</a> (2018)]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>The harsh burden of some God sealed my doom, together with my own unspeakable excess in wine.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Odyssey/qhQAywOYz10C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22harsh%20verdict%22">Lawrence</a> (1932)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>It was the malice of some evil power that was my undoing, and all the wine I swilled before I went to sleep in Circe’s palace.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/stream/TheOdyssey/TheOdyssey_djvu.txt#:~:text=it%20was%20the%20malice%20of%20some%20%0Aevil%20power%20that%20was%20my%20undoing%2C%20and%20all%20the%20wine%20I%20swilled%20%0Abefore%20I%20went%20to%20sleep%20in%20Circe%E2%80%99s%20palace.">Rieu</a> (1946)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Bad luck shadowed me, and no kindly power;<br>
ignoble death I drank with so much wine.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/odysseyerni00home/page/186/mode/2up?q=%22bad+luck+shadowed%22">Fitzgerald</a> (1961)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The evil will of the spirit and the wild wine bewildered me.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/odysseyofhomerha00rich/page/168/mode/2up?q=%22wild+wine+bewildered%22">Lattimore</a> (1965)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">My undoing lay<br>
in some god sending down my dismal fate<br>
and in too much sweet wine.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Odyssey_of_Homer/ORyo8qAA-CQC?hl=en&gbpv=1&kptab=overview&bsq=%22my%20undoing%20lay%22">Mandelbaum</a> (1990)]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>The doom of an angry god, and god knows how much wine --<br>
they were my ruin, captain.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/odyssey0000home_i6h2/page/178/mode/2up?q=%22god+knows+how+much+wine%22">Fagles</a> (1996)]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>Bad luck and too much wine undid me.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/essentialodyssey0000home/page/96/mode/2up?q=%22too+much+wine%22">Lombardo</a> (2000)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The malicious decree of some god and too much wine were my undoing.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Odyssey/U2Jovv1NuMsC?gbpv=1&bsq=%22maliciouis%20decree%22">DCH Rieu</a> (2002)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>It was a god-sent evil destiny that ruined me, and too much wine.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Odyssey/o8dLDQAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22destiny%20that%20ruined%22">Verity</a> (2016)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But I had bad luck from some god, and too much wine befuddled me.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Odyssey/PpJYDgAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22but%20i%20had%20bad%20luck%22">Wilson</a> (2017)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Some god's ill-will undid me -- that, and too much wine!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Odyssey/BUFJDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22some%20god%27s%20ill-will%22">Green</a> (2018)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Some fatal deity<br>
has brought me down -- that and too much wine.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://johnstoniatexts.x10host.com/homer/odyssey11html.html#:~:text=some%20fatal%20deity%0Ahas%20brought%20me%20down%E2%80%94that%20and%20too%20much%20wine.">Johnston</a> (2019)]</blockquote><br>
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		<title>Shakespeare, William -- King Lear, Act 3, sc. 2, l.   1ff (3.2.1-11) (1606)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[LEAR: Blow winds, and crack your cheeks! Rage, blow! You cataracts and hurricanoes, spout Till you have drenched our steeples, drowned the cocks. You sulph’rous and thought-executing fires, Vaunt-couriers of oak-cleaving thunderbolts, Singe my white head. And thou, all-shaking thunder, Strike flat the thick rotundity o’ th’ world. Crack nature’s molds, all germens spill at [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">LEAR: Blow winds, and crack your cheeks! Rage, blow!<br />
You cataracts and hurricanoes, spout<br />
Till you have drenched our steeples, drowned the cocks.<br />
You sulph’rous and thought-executing fires,<br />
Vaunt-couriers of oak-cleaving thunderbolts,<br />
Singe my white head. And thou, all-shaking thunder,<br />
Strike flat the thick rotundity o’ th’ world.<br />
Crack nature’s molds, all germens spill at once<br />
That makes ingrateful man.</p>
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<br><b>William Shakespeare</b> (1564–1616) English dramatist and poet<br><i>King Lear</i>, Act 3, sc. 2, l.   1ff (3.2.1-11) (1606) 
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		<title>Euripides -- Bacchæ [Βάκχαι], l. 1325ff [Cadmus/κάδμος] (405 BC) [tr. Vellacott (1973)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[If there be any man who derides the unseen world, let him consider the death of Pentheus, and acknowledge the gods. [εἰ δ᾽ ἔστιν ὅστις δαιμόνων ὑπερφρονεῖ, ἐς τοῦδ᾽ ἀθρήσας θάνατον ἡγείσθω θεούς.] (Source (Greek)). Other translations: If any impious mortal yet contemns The Powers celestial, let him view the death Of Pentheus, to convince [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there be any man who derides the unseen world, let him consider the death of Pentheus, and acknowledge the gods.</p>
<p>[εἰ δ᾽ ἔστιν ὅστις δαιμόνων ὑπερφρονεῖ,<br />
ἐς τοῦδ᾽ ἀθρήσας θάνατον ἡγείσθω θεούς.]</p>
<br><b>Euripides</b> (485?-406? BC) Greek tragic dramatist<br><i>Bacchæ</i> [Βάκχαι], l. 1325ff [Cadmus/κάδμος] (405 BC) [tr. Vellacott (1973)] 
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(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0091%3Acard%3D1280#:~:text=%CE%B5%E1%BC%B0%20%CE%B4%E1%BE%BD%20%E1%BC%94%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%BD%20%E1%BD%85%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B9%CF%82%20%CE%B4%CE%B1%CE%B9%CE%BC%CF%8C%CE%BD%CF%89%CE%BD%20%E1%BD%91%CF%80%CE%B5%CF%81%CF%86%CF%81%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%B5%E1%BF%96%2C%0A%E1%BC%90%CF%82%20%CF%84%CE%BF%E1%BF%A6%CE%B4%E1%BE%BD%20%E1%BC%80%CE%B8%CF%81%CE%AE%CF%83%CE%B1%CF%82%20%CE%B8%CE%AC%CE%BD%CE%B1%CF%84%CE%BF%CE%BD%20%E1%BC%A1%CE%B3%CE%B5%CE%AF%CF%83%CE%B8%CF%89%20%CE%B8%CE%B5%CE%BF%CF%8D%CF%82.">Source (Greek)</a>). Other translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>If any impious mortal yet contemns <br>
The Powers celestial, let him view the death <br>
Of Pentheus, to convince him there are Gods.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/nineteentragedi00wodhgoog/page/406/mode/2up?q=%22impious+mortal%22">Wodhull</a> (1809)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>If anyone scorns the gods, let him look to the death of this man and acknowledge them.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0092%3Acard%3D1280#:~:text=If%20anyone%20scorns%20the%20gods%2C%20let%20him%20look%20to%20the%20death%20of%20this%20man%20and%20acknowledge%20them.">Buckley</a> (1850)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O if there be he who scorneth the great gods,<br>
Gaze on this death, and know that there are gods.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchae0000euri_x9h8/page/52/mode/2up?q=%22o+if+there%22">Milman</a> (1865)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>If there be one who still disdains the gods,<br>
Let him behold this corpse and reverence them.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchaerogers00euri/page/70/mode/2up?q=%22If+there+be+one+who%22">Rogers</a> (1872), l. 1293ff]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Ah! if there be any man that scorns the gods, let him well mark this prince’s death and then believe in them.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Plays_of_Euripides_(Coleridge)/The_Bacchantes#cite_ref-86:~:text=Ah!%20if%20there%20be%20any%20man%20that%20scorns%20the%20gods%2C%20let%20him%20well%20mark%20this%20prince%E2%80%99s%20death%20and%20then%20believe%20in%20them.">Coleridge</a> (1891)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>If any man there be that scorns the Gods,<br>
This man's death let him note, and so believe.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Tragedies_of_Euripides_(Way)/The_Bacchanals#:~:text=If%20any%20man%20there%20be%20that%20scorns%20the%20Gods%2C%0AThis%20man%27s%20death%20let%20him%20note%2C%20and%20so%20believe.">Way</a> (1898)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Oh, whoso walketh not in dread<br>
Of Gods, let him but look on this man dead!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/35173/pg35173-images.html#:~:text=Oh%2C%20whoso%20walketh%20not%20in%20dread%0A%20%20Of%20Gods%2C%20let%20him%20but%20look%20on%20this%20man%20dead!">Murray</a> (1902)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">If there is still any mortal man<br>
who despises or defies the gods, let him look<br>
on this boy's death and believe in the gods.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/euripidesv00euri/page/220/mode/2up?q=%22if+there+is+still+any+mortal%22">Arrowsmith</a> (1960)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>If there is any man who despises deity<br>
let him look on Pentheus’ death, and judge that gods exist!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchae0000euri_w7z7/page/132/mode/2up?q=%22If+there+is+any+man%22">Kirk</a> (1970)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>If any man thinks light of the divine ones, <br>
let him consider this man’s death, and believe in gods.<br>
[tr. <a href="http://pages.sbcglobal.net/mattneub/downloads/bacchae.pdf">Neuburg</a> (1988)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>If there be any man who challenges or scorns<br>
the unseen powers,<br>
let him look on this boy's death and accept<br>
that which is God.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchae0000euri_p3f3/page/76/mode/2up?q=%22if+there+be+any+man%22">Cacoyannis</a> (1982)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>If there is anyone who despises the gods,<br>
Looking on this death, let him believe.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchae0000euri_h0w4/page/44/mode/2up?q=%22despises+the+gods%22">Blessington</a> (1993)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>So if there is anyone who disdains the gods<br>
let him look at the death of this man here and let him believe that gods exist.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchaeofeuripid0000euri/page/90/mode/2up?q=%22so+if+there+is+anyone%22">Esposito</a> (1998)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>If there is anyone who despises the divine,<br>
he should look at this man's death and believe in gods.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchae0000euri_s0g4/page/54/mode/2up?q=%22despises+the+divine%22">Woodruff</a> (1999)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Anyone who feels <br>
Superior to the gods should study this:<br>
Pentheus is dead -- believe in the gods!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchaeotherplay0000euri_p0i4/page/296/mode/2up?q=%22anyone+who+feels%22">Gibbons/Segal</a> (2000)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>If there is anyone who thinks nothing of heaven's power, let him look at this man's death and believe that the gods exist.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchaeiphigenia00euri/page/144/mode/2up">Kovacs</a> (2002)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let he who would defy the gods’ demands <br>
Look at this piteous death and believe.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchai0000euri/page/66/mode/2up?q=%22let+he+who+would%22">Teevan</a> (2002)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>If there’s anyone who insults the gods let him turn his eyes to this and let him believe.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://bacchicstage.wordpress.com/euripides/bacchae/#:~:text=If%20there%E2%80%99s%20anyone%20who%20insults%20the%20gods%20let%20him%20turn%20his%20eyes%20to%20this%20and%20let%20him%20believe.">Theodoridis</a> (2005)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>If there is anyone here who casts a disparaging eye<br>
Upon the Divine, look now on this and know the Gods exist.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://euripidesofathens.blogspot.com/2008/01/scene-7.html#:~:text=If%20there%20is%20anyone%20here%20who%20casts%20a%20disparaging%20eye%0AUpon%20the%20Divine%2C%20look%20now%20on%20this%20and%20know%20the%20Gods%20exist.">Valerie</a> (2005)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>If there's a man who disrespects the gods,<br>
let him think about how this man perished --<br>
then he should develop faith in them.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Bacchae/o4JeCg6u18oC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%20%22disrespects%20the%20gods%22">Johnston</a> (2008)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>If anyone still disputes the power of heaven,<br>
let them look at this boy's death<br>
and they will see that the gods live.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchae0000euri_p3z6/page/80/mode/2up?q=%22still+disputes%22">Robertson</a> (2014)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>If there are any left who would look down on the gods, let them see this.<br>
This death.<br>
And let them know the gods.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://the-mercurian.com/2019/12/13/the-bacchae/#:~:text=If%20there%20are,know%20the%20gods.">Pauly</a> (2019)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">If anyone, anywhere, denies the gods,<br>
seeing this death, let him belisve in them.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Bacchae_of_Euripides/UmCTDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22denies%20the%20gods%22">Behr/Foster</a> (2019)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>If anyone scorns the <i>daimones,</i> let him look to the death of this man and acknowledge them.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://chs.harvard.edu/primary-source/euripides-bacchae-sb/#:~:text=If%20anyone%20scorns%20the%20daimones%20%2C%20let%20him%20look%20to%20the%20death%20of%20this%20man%20and%20acknowledge%20them.">Buckley/Sens/Nagy</a> (2020)]</blockquote><br>
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		<title>Euripides -- Bacchæ [Βάκχαι], l.  882ff (Stasimon 3 (Ode 4), Antistrophe 1) [Chorus/Χορός] (405 BC) [tr. Kirk (1970)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is slow to stir, but nonetheless it never fails, the strength of gods. [ὁρμᾶται μόλις, ἀλλ᾽ ὅμως πιστόν τι τὸ θεῖον σθένος] (Source (Greek)). Other translations: The tardy God arrives at length His steadfast promise to fulfil, Exulting in immortal strength. Tremble, ye ministers of ill! [tr. Wodhull (1809)] Divine strength is roused with [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is slow to stir, but nonetheless<br />
<span class="tab">it never fails, the strength<br />
<span class="tab">of gods.</p>
<p>[ὁρμᾶται μόλις, ἀλλ᾽ ὅμως<br />
πιστόν τι τὸ θεῖον<br />
σθένος]</span></span></p>
<br><b>Euripides</b> (485?-406? BC) Greek tragic dramatist<br><i>Bacchæ</i> [Βάκχαι], l.  882ff (Stasimon 3 (Ode 4), Antistrophe 1) [Chorus/Χορός] (405 BC) [tr. Kirk (1970)] 
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(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0091%3Acard%3D882#:~:text=%E1%BD%81%CF%81%CE%BC%E1%BE%B6%CF%84%CE%B1%CE%B9%20%CE%BC%CF%8C%CE%BB%CE%B9%CF%82%2C%20%E1%BC%80%CE%BB%CE%BB%E1%BE%BD%20%E1%BD%85%CE%BC%CF%89%CF%82%0A%CF%80%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%84%CF%8C%CE%BD%20%CF%84%CE%B9%20%CF%84%E1%BD%B8%20%CE%B8%CE%B5%E1%BF%96%CE%BF%CE%BD%0A%CF%83%CE%B8%CE%AD%CE%BD%CE%BF%CF%82%3A">Source (Greek)</a>). Other translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>The tardy God arrives at length<br>
His steadfast promise to fulfil,<br>
Exulting in immortal strength.<br>
Tremble, ye ministers of ill!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/nineteentragedi00wodhgoog/page/386/mode/2up?q=%22tardy+god%22">Wodhull</a> (1809)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Divine strength is roused with difficulty, but still is sure.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0092%3Acard%3D882#:~:text=Divine%20strength%20is%20roused%20with%20difficulty%2C%20but%20still%20is%20sure.">Buckley</a> (1850)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Slow come, but come at length,<br>
In their majestic strength<br>
Faithful and true, the avenging deities.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchae0000euri_x9h8/page/34/mode/2up?q=%22slow+come%22">Milman</a> (1865)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Although he slowly shews his might,<br>
God ever steadfast is and sure.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchaerogers00euri/page/46/mode/2up?q=%22slowly+shews%22">Rogers</a> (1872), ll. 844-45]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Though slow be its advance, yet surely moves the power of the gods.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Plays_of_Euripides_(Coleridge)/The_Bacchantes#cite_ref-52:~:text=Though%20slow%20be%20its%20advance%2C%20yet%20surely%20moves%20the%20power%20of%20the%20gods">Coleridge</a> (1891)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Slowly on-sweepeth, but unerringly,<br>
⁠<span class="tab">The might of Heaven.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Tragedies_of_Euripides_(Way)/The_Bacchanals#cite_ref-21:~:text=Slowly%20on%2Dsweepeth,might%20of%20Heaven">Way</a> (1898)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O Strength of God, slow art thou and still,<br>
<span class="tab">Yet failest never!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/35173/pg35173-images.html#:~:text=O%20Strength%20of%20God%2C%20slow%20art%20thou%20and%20still%2C%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20Yet%20failest%20never!">Murray</a> (1902)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Slow but unmistakable<br>
the might of the gods moves on.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/euripidesv00euri/page/200/mode/2up?q=%22might+of+the+gods%22">Arrowsmith</a> (1960)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Slow, yet unfailing, move the Powers<br>
of heaven with the moving hours<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchae0000phil/page/208/mode/2up?q=%22yet+unfailing%22">Vellacott</a> (1973)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Scarcely speeding, but all the same<br>
the strength of the gods is certain.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20070928000447/http://pages.sbcglobal.net/mattneub/downloads/bacchae.pdf">Neuburg</a> (1988)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Slowly but implacably,<br>
divine power moves.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchae0000euri_p3f3/page/50/mode/2up?q=%22implacably%22">Cacoyannis</a> (1982)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Scarcely it has started,<br>
Yet still god's might is trust-<br>
Worthy.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchae0000euri_h0w4/page/30/mode/2up?q=%22scarcely%22">Blessington</a> (1993)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>It starts out slowly<br>
but still the strength of the gods<br>
is trustworthy.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchaeofeuripid0000euri/page/66/mode/2up?q=%22starts+out+slowly%22">Esposito</a> (1998)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Never hurried, never<br>
failing, a god's<br>
fist.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchae0000euri_s0g4/page/36/mode/2up?q=%22never+hurried%22">Woodruff</a> (1999)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The unremitting power<br>
Of the divine begins only<br>
Slowly to move, but<br>
Always moves.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchaeotherplay0000euri_p0i4/page/278/mode/2up?q=unremitting">Gibbons/Segal</a> (2000)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Slowly does heaven move, but still<br>
its strength is [something] sure.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchaeiphigenia00euri/page/96/mode/2up">Kovacs</a> (2002)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Slow but unerring move the gods<br>
Against the heedless man.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchai0000euri/page/48/mode/2up?q=unerring">Teevan</a> (2002)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>God’s justice might be late arriving but it does arrive.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://bacchicstage.wordpress.com/euripides/bacchae/#:~:text=God%E2%80%99s%20justice%20might%20be%20late%20arriving%20but%20it%20does%20arrive">Theodoridis</a> (2005)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Th'heavens might is scarcely set in<br>
Motion, but it is not to be<br>
doubted, a beacon to humans.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://euripidesofathens.blogspot.com/2008/01/chorvs-shall-i-ever-in-nightlong-dances.html#:~:text=Th%27heavens%20might%20is%20scarcely%20set%20in%0AMotion%2C%20but%20it%20is%20not%20to%20be%0Adoubted%2C%20a%20beacon%20to%20humans">Valerie</a> (2005)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The power of the gods is difficult to stir -- but it's a power we can count on.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Bacchae/o4JeCg6u18oC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22the%20power%20of%20the%20gods%22&printsec=frontcover">Johnston</a> (2008)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The might of heaven moves slowly, inexorably.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchae0000euri_p3z6/page/52/mode/2up?q=%22might+of+heaven%22">Robertson</a> (2014)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The strength of a god is not roused without need,<br>
But when it is roused, it comes down.<br>
Implacably.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://the-mercurian.com/2019/12/13/the-bacchae/#:~:text=The%20strength%20of%20a%20god%20is%20not%20roused%20without%20need%2C%0ABut%20when%20it%20is%20roused%2C%20it%20comes%20down.%0AImplacably.">Pauly</a> (2019)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Slowly they begin, but always the powers of heaven punish ....<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Bacchae_of_Euripides/UmCTDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22slowly%20they%20begin%22">Behr/Foster</a> (2019)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Divine strength is roused with difficulty, but is trustworthy nevertheless.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://chs.harvard.edu/primary-source/euripides-bacchae-sb/#:~:text=Divine%20strength%20is%20roused%20with%20difficulty%2C%20but%20is%20trustworthy%20nevertheless.">Buckley/Sens/Nagy</a> (2020)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Slow but sure moves the might of the gods.<br>
[<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Bartlett_s_Familiar_Quotations/rZdZEAAAQBAJ? hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22Slow%20but%20sure%20moves%20the%20might%20of%20the%20gods%22&pg=PT316&printsec=frontcover">Bartlett's</a>]</blockquote><br>
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		<title>Martial -- Epigrams [Epigrammata], Book  4, epigram  21 (4.21) (AD 89) [tr. May (1629)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[That in the Heavens no gods there be Selius affirms, and proves, &#8217;cause he Still thinking so lives happily. [Nullos esse deos, inane caelum Adfirmat Segius: probatque, quod se Factum, dum negat haec, videt beatum.] (Source (Latin)). Other translations: That heav&#8217;ns are voide, &#038; that no gods there are, Rich Paulus saith, and all his [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That in the Heavens no gods there be<br />
Selius affirms, and proves, &#8217;cause he<br />
Still thinking so lives happily.</p>
<p><em>[Nullos esse deos, inane caelum<br />
Adfirmat Segius: probatque, quod se<br />
Factum, dum negat haec, videt beatum.]</em></p>
<br><b>Martial</b> (AD c.39-c.103) Spanish Roman poet, satirist, epigrammatist [Marcus Valerius Martialis]<br><i>Epigrams [Epigrammata]</i>, Book  4, epigram  21 (4.21) (AD 89) [tr. May (1629)] 
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(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2008.01.0506%3Abook%3D4%3Apoem%3D21">Source (Latin)</a>). Other translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>That heav'ns are voide, & that no gods there are,<br>
Rich <i>Paulus</i> saith, and all his proofe is this:<br>
That while such blasphemies pronounce he dare,<br>
He liveth here in ease, and earthly blisse.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Epigrams_of_Sir_John_Harington/hZ03AAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22110%20that%22">Harington</a> (1618), ep. 110 (Book 2, ep. 14), 
"Against an Atheist"]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Selius affirms, in heav'n no gods there are:<br>
And while he thrives, and they their thunder spare,<br>
His daring tenet to the world seems fair.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Epigrams_of_Martial/LzXgAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22selius%20affirms%22">Killigrew</a> (1695)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Selius asserts, there is no providence:<br>
Anmd what he thus asserts, he proves from hence;<br>
Tht such a villain as himself still lives;<br>
And, what is more, is courted too, and thrives.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Select_Epigrams_of_Martial/guUNAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22selius%20afferts%22">Hay</a> (1755)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>A Selius swears there is no god,<br>
And thus attests an oath so odd.<br>
Heaven has no habitant, quoth he;<br>
Else how could heaven so smile on me?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Epigrams_of_M_Val_Martial/vksOAAAAQAAJ?gbpv=1&bsq=%22selius%20fwears%22">Elphinston</a> (1782), Book 7, ep. 12]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>That there's no God, John gravely swears,<br>
And quotes, in proof, his own affairs;<br>
For how should such an atheist thrive,<br>
If there was any God alive?<br>
[<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Epigrams_of_Martial/LzXgAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22john%20gravely%22">Anon</a>., <em>Westminster Review,</em> 1853-04]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Selius affirms that there are no Gods, and that Heaven is empty; and he produces a proof of his assertion; viz. that while he denies all Providence, he beholds himself affluent.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/martialmoderns00mart/page/92/mode/2up?q=selius">Amos</a> (1858)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Selius affirms that there are no gods, and that heaven is empty; and thinks he has sufficient proof of his opinion in seeing himself become rich while he maintains it.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.tertullian.org/fathers/martial_epigrams_book04.htm#:~:text=Selius%20affirms%20that%20there%20are%20no%20gods%2C%20and%20that%20heaven%20is%20empty%3B%20and%20thinks%20he%20has%20sufficient%20proof%20of%20his%20opinion%20in%20seeing%20himself%20become%20rich%20while%20he%20maintains%20it.">Bohn's Classical</a> (1859)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>"There are no gods: heaven is empty," Segius asserts; and he proves it, for in the midst of these denials he sees himself made rich!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Epigrams/w4ZfAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22segius%22">Ker</a> (1919)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>When Segius declaims he knows<br>
<span class="tab">That Heaven is void and gods are not,<br>
It is because his record shows<br>
<span class="tab">That knaves may have a prosperous lot.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/martialtwelveboo0000tran/page/112/mode/2up?q=segius">Pott & Wright</a> (1921), "The Test of Facts"]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>"There are no gods," says Segius, "and the blue<br>
Is void." He lives and thrives and proves it true.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Martial_s_Epigrams/g35fAAAAMAAJ?gbpv=1&bsq=segius">Francis & Tatum</a> (1924), ep. 169]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>"There are no gods, and heaven's all a lie!<br>
<span class="tab">No gods," said Segius, "give a damn or care<br>
What happens to us." And he must be right:<br>
<span class="tab">Today the rat's a multi-millionaire.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/martialselectede0000unse/page/42/mode/2up?q=segius">Marcellino</a> (1968)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Sergius swears by the hollow sky that there are no gods,<br>
and the truth is plain, since he,<br>
denouncing them, is wealthy as can be.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/epigramsofmartia0000mart_q2h6/page/172/mode/2up?q=%22sergius+swears%22">Bovie</a> (1970)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">"The skies are empty<br>
<span class="tab">and the gods are dead,"<br>
says Segius, the proof of which<br>
is that he sees himself made rich.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/martialinenglish00mart/page/336/mode/2up?q=%22skies+are+empty%22">Porter</a> (1972)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>"God doesn't exist, there's no one in the skies,"<br>
Says Segius. If it's justice he denies,<br>
He's right: would he be wealthy otherwise?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/epigrams0000mart/page/54/mode/2up?q=segius">Michie</a> (1972)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Segius declares that there are no gods, that the sky is empty; and proves it, for in the course of these denials he sees himself become a rich man.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://dokumen.pub/martial-epigrams-spectacles-books-1-5-1-0674995554-9780674995550.html#:~:text=Segius%20declares%20that%20there%20are%20no%20gods%2C%20that%20the%20sky%20is%20empty%3B%20and%20proves%20it%2C%20for%20in%20the%20course%20of%20these%20denials%20he%20sees%20hirnself%20become%20a%20rich%20man.">Shackleton Bailey</a> (1993)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>This darkling world he claims, with rue<br>
Has run itself into a ditch.<br>
And he can prove his thesis true:<br>
In such a cosmos -- he is rich.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Martial_s_Epigrams/13X80r3_zQIC?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%224.21%22">Wills</a> (2007)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Segius says there are no gods, no heaven.<br>
The proof he offers? He's a rich man.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/martialart0000kenn/page/20/mode/2up?q=segius">Kennelly</a> (2008), "Proof"]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>Segius asserts that there are no gods, that heaven is empty. And he’s the proof, because, even as he denies these things, he sees that he’s become prosperous.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://aleatorclassicus.wordpress.com/2012/09/04/martial-epigrams-4-21/">@aleatorclassicus</a> (2012)]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>Segius claims there are no gods, the skies<br>
are bare. He proves it, too: while he denies<br>
the gods exist, he sees his fortune rise.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/selectedepigrams0000mart_b6d3/page/34/mode/2up?q=%22segius+claims%22">McLean</a> (2014)]</blockquote><br>
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		<title>Dante Alighieri -- The Divine Comedy [Divina Commedia], Book 1 &#8220;Inferno,&#8221; Canto 14, l.  16ff (14.16-18) (1309) [tr. Ciardi (1954), l. 13ff]</title>
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<p>O endless wrath of God: how utterly<br />
<span class="tab">thou shouldst become a terror to all men<br />
<span class="tab">who read the frightful truths revealed to me!</p>
<p><em>[O vendetta di Dio, quanto tu dei<br />
<span class="tab">esser temuta da ciascun che legge<br />
<span class="tab">ciò che fu manifesto a li occhi mei!]</span></span></em></span></span></p>
<br><b>Dante Alighieri</b> (1265–1321) Italian poet<br><i>The Divine Comedy [Divina Commedia]</i>, Book 1 <i>&#8220;Inferno,&#8221;</i> Canto 14, l.  16ff (14.16-18) (1309) [tr. Ciardi (1954), l. 13ff] 
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On entering the Seventh Circle, third ring, and seeing flames drifting down from the sky, landing on the damned trapped there (blasphemers, sodomites, usurers).<br><br>

(<a href="https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Divina_Commedia/Inferno/Canto_XIV#:~:text=O%20vendetta%20di%20Dio%2C%20quanto%20tu%20dei%0Aesser%20temuta%20da%20ciascun%20che%20legge%0Aci%C3%B2%20che%20fu%20manifesto%20a%20li%20occhi%20mei!">Source (Italian)</a>). Other translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>O Vengeance dire of God, how much you should<br>
<span class="tab">By ev'ry one be dreaded, when he reads<br>
<span class="tab">What to my eyes was manifestly shewn!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Inferno_of_Dante_Translated/1ARcAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22vengeance%20dire.%22">Rogers</a> (1782)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Vengeance of Heav'n! I saw thy hand severe<br>
<span class="tab">(Your doom! ye Atheists and Blasphemers, hear!)<br>
<span class="tab">O'er many a naked soul the scourge display!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinacommediaof01dantuoft/page/210/mode/2up?q=%22Vengeance+of+Heav%27n%22">Boyd</a> (1802), st. 4] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Vengeance of Heav’n! Oh! how shouldst thou be fear’d<br>
By all, who read what here my eyes beheld!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/8789/8789-h/8789-h.htm#cantoI.14:~:text=Vengeance%20of%20Heav%E2%80%99n!%20Oh!%20how%20shouldst%20thou%20be%20fear%E2%80%99d%0ABy%20all%2C%20who%20read%20what%20here%20my%20eyes%20beheld!">Cary</a> (1814)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O vengeance of the Eternal! how ought they <br>
<span class="tab">Who read the tale, thy workings mark with awe, <br>
<span class="tab">In that my troubled eyes did here survey!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/infernodanteali02daymgoog/page/n94/mode/2up?q=%22O+vengeance+of+the+Eternal%22">Dayman</a> (1843)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O vengeance of God! how shouldst thou be feared by every one who reads what was revealed to my eyes!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Inferno/WqpEAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22vengeance%20of%20God%22">Carlyle</a> (1849)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Avenging power of God! how should each fear,<br>
<span class="tab">Who reads of this, arresting with surprise,<br>
<span class="tab">The sight which manfestly met mine eyes!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/comedyofdanteal00dant/page/60/mode/2up?q=%22avenging+power%22">Bannerman</a> (1850)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Oh, God's great vengeance! with what heavy dread<br>
<span class="tab">Thou should'st be fear'd by ev'ry one who reads<br>
<span class="tab">What to mine eyes so manifest was made!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Translation_of_Dante_s_Inferno/dzvcz2MMLLMC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22great%20vengeance%22">Johnston</a> (1867), l. 16ff]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Vengeance of God, O how much oughtest thou<br>
<span class="tab">By each one to be dreaded, who doth read<br>
<span class="tab">That which was manifest unto mine eyes!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Divine_Comedy_(Longfellow_1867)/Volume_1/Canto_14#:~:text=Vengeance%20of%20God,unto%20mine%20eyes!">Longfellow</a> (1867)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O vengeance of God, how oughtest thou to be feared by each one who reads that which was manifested to my eyes! <br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/dli.granth.92729/page/160/mode/2up?q=%22O+vengeance+of+God%22">Butler</a> (1885)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O vengeance of great God! with what a fear <br>
<span class="tab">Thou shouldst be held by all who read in awe <br>
<span class="tab">That which before my eyes was visibly clear! <br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedyofda00dantrich/page/52/mode/2up?q=%22vengeance+of+great+god%22">Minchin</a> (1885)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O vengeance of God, how much thou oughtest to be feared by every one who readeth that which was manifest unto mine eyes!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1995/1995-h/1995-h.htm#cantoI.XIV:~:text=O%20vengeance%20of%20God%2C%20how%20much%20thou%20oughtest%20to%20be%20feared%20by%20every%20one%20who%20readeth%20that%20which%20was%20manifest%20unto%20mine%20eyes!">Norton</a> (1892)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O Vengeance of God, how mightily shouldst thou be feared by all who read that which was given mine eyes to look upon!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/comedydantealig00sullgoog/page/n84/mode/2up?q=%22Vengeance+of+God%22">Sullivan</a> (1893)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Vengeance of God! In what great fear and trembling<br>
<span class="tab">Should'st thou be held by each who reads the story <br>
<span class="tab">Of that which to my eyes was manifested. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/infernodanteali00grifgoog/page/n100/mode/2up?q=%22Vengeance+of+God%22">Griffith</a> (1908)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O vengeance of God, how must thou be feared by everyone who reads what was plain before my eyes!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Divine_Comedy_of_Dante_Alighieri/c8ZKnRirTNUC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22vengeance%20of%20god%22">Sinclair</a> (1939)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O chastisement of God, how oughtest thou<br>
<span class="tab">To be of each one feared who reads with awe<br>
<span class="tab">What to my eyes was manifested now.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/portabledante00dant/page/74/mode/2up?q=%22chastisement+of+God%22">Binyon</a> (1943)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Fearful indeed art thou, vengeance of God!<br>
<span class="tab">He that now reads what mine own eyes with awe<br>
<span class="tab">Plainly beheld, well may he dread thy rod!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedy00peng/page/156/mode/2up?q=%22vengeance+of+god%22">Sayers</a> (1949)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O vengeance of God, how much should you be feared by all who read what was revealed to my eyes!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/inferno0000dant/page/n151/mode/2up?q=%22vengeance+of+god%22">Singleton</a> (1970)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O just revenge of God! how awesomely<br>
<span class="tab">you should be feared by everyone who reads<br>
<span class="tab">these truths that were revealed to my own eyes!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/dantesinferno00dant/page/114/mode/2up?q=%22just+revenge%22">Musa</a> (1971)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O vengeance of the Lord, how you should be<br>
<span class="tab">dreaded by everyone who now can read<br>
<span class="tab">whatever was made manifest to me!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/lccn_83048678/page/124/mode/2up?q=%22vengeance+of+the+lord%22">Mandelbaum</a> (1980)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O vengeance of God, how much you ought<br>
<span class="tab">To be feared by everyone who reads<br>
<span class="tab">What was there manifested to my eyes.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedy0000dant/page/102/mode/2up?q=%22vengeance+of+god%22">Sisson</a> (1981)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab">O vengeance of God, how much<br>
Should you be feared by all of those who read<br>
What my eyes saw!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/infernoofdantene00dant/page/110/mode/2up?q=%22vengeance+of+God%22">Pinsky</a> (1994)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O vengeance of God, how much must you be feared by everyone who reads what was made manifest to my eyes!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedyofda0001dant_u1l7/page/218/mode/2up?q=%22vengeance+of+God%22">Durling</a> (1996)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O God’s vengeance, how what was shown to my sight should be feared, by all who read!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Italian/DantInf8to14.php#anchor_Toc64091790:~:text=O%20God%E2%80%99s%20vengeance%2C%20how%20what%20was%20shown%20to%20my%20sight%20should%20be%20feared%2C%20by%20all%20who%20read!">Kline</a> (2002)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Great God! Your vengeance must be rightly feared<br>
<span class="tab">by all who read the verses I compose<br>
<span class="tab">to say what there was straight before my eyes.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedy0000dant_l7y1/page/60/mode/2up?q=%22great+god%22">Kirkpatrick</a> (2006)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O vengeance of God, how much<br>
<span class="tab">should you be feared by all who read<br>
<span class="tab">what now I saw revealed before my eyes!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://dante.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/dante/campuscgi/mpb/GetCantoSection.pl?LANG=2&INP_POEM=Inf&INP_SECT=14&INP_START=16&INP_LEN=3">Hollander/Hollander</a> (2007)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But O God's awful vengeance! Reading this,<br>
<span class="tab">You all should tremble with fear for what my eyes<br>
<span class="tab">Were shown, dark and terrible, a burning brilliance!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Divine_Comedy/WZyBj-s9PfsC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22awful%20vengeance%22">Raffel</a> (2010)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Holy Vengeance, how you must<br>
Be feared by all who read what now I saw!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/inferno0000dant_y2l4/page/72/mode/2up?q=%22holy+vengeance%22">James</a> (2013)]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Virgil -- The Aeneid [Ænē̆is], Book  2, l. 402 (2.402) [Aeneas] (29-19 BC) [tr. Fairclough (1916)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alas! in naught may one trust the gods against their will! [Heu nihil invitis fas quemquam fidere divis!] (Source (Latin)). Other translations: Ah, who may hope if by the Gods deni&#8217;d! [tr. Ogilby (1649)] But, ah! what use of valour can be made, When heav&#8217;n&#8217;s propitious pow&#8217;rs refuse their aid! [tr. Dryden (1697)] Alas! it [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alas! in naught may one trust the gods against their will!</p>
<p><em>[Heu nihil invitis fas quemquam fidere divis!]</em></p>
<br><b>Virgil</b> (70–19 BC) Roman poet [b. Publius Vergilius Maro; also Vergil]<br><i>The Aeneid [Ænē̆is]</i>, Book  2, l. 402 (2.402) [Aeneas] (29-19 BC) [tr. Fairclough (1916)] 
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(<a href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0055%3Abook%3D2%3Acard%3D402#:~:text=Heu%20nihil%20invitis%20fas%20quemquam%20fidere%20divis!">Source (Latin)</a>). Other translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>Ah, who may hope if by the Gods deni'd!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo2/A65106.0001.001/1:6.2?rgn=div2;view=fulltext#:~:text=Ah%2C%20who%20may%20hope%20if%20by%20the%20Gods%20deni%27d!">Ogilby</a> (1649)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But, ah! what use of valour can be made,<br>
When heav'n's propitious pow'rs refuse their aid!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Aeneid_(Dryden)/Book_II#:~:text=But%2C%20ah!%20what%20use%20of%20valour%20can%20be%20made">Dryden</a> (1697)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Alas! it is right for one to trust to nothing when the gods are adverse.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Aene%C3%AFd_of_Virgil/eespAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22gods%20are%20adverse%22">Anthon</a> (1843)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Alas! on nothing ought man to presume, while the gods are against him!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Works_of_Virgil/GuFCAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22while%20the%20gods%20are%20against%22">Davidson/Buckley</a> (1854)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Alas! a mortal may not lean<br>
On Heaven, when Heaven averts its mien.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Aeneid_(Conington_1866)/Book_2#:~:text=Alas!%20a%20mortal%20may%20not%20lean">Conington</a> (1866)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Alas, one ought<br>
To trust in nothing, when the gods oppose.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/aeneidvirgiltra00crangoog/page/n79/mode/2up?q=cassandra">Cranch</a> (1872), ll. 549-550]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Alas that none may trust at all to estranged gods!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/22456/pg22456-images.html#:~:text=Alas%20that%20none%20may%20trust%20at%20all%20to%20estranged%20gods!">Mackail</a> (1885)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Alas! what skills it man to trust in Gods compelled to good?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/29358/pg29358-images.html#:~:text=Alas!%20what%20skills%20it%20man%20to%20trust%20in%20Gods%20compelled%20to%20good%3F">Morris</a> (1900)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Ah! vain to boast, if Heaven refuse to aid!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/18466/pg18466-images.html#:~:text=Ah!%20vain%20to%20boast%2C%20if%20Heaven%20refuse%20to%20aid!">Taylor</a> (1907)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But woe is me! If gods their help withhold,<br>
't is impious to be brave.<br>
[tr. <a href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0054%3Abook%3D2%3Acard%3D402#:~:text=But%20woe%20is%20me!%20If%20gods%20their%20help%20withhold">Williams</a> (1910)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Alas! it is not well for anyone to be confident when the gods are adverse.<br>
[<a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Hoyt%27s_New_Cyclopedia_Of_Practical_Quotations_(1922).djvu/362#:~:text=Alas!%20it%20is%20not%20well%20for%20anyone%20to%20be%20confident">Source</a> (1922)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>It is not for men to trust unwilling gods.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/61596/pg61596-images.html#:~:text=It%20is%20not%20for%20men%20to%20trust%20unwilling%20gods.">Humphries</a> (1951)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Ah, well, there's no trusting the gods for anything, once they're against you!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/aenei00virg/page/46/mode/2up?q=%22no+trusting+the+gods%22">Day Lewis</a> (1952)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But oh, it is not right for anyone<br>
to trust reluctant gods!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/aeneidofvirgil100virg/page/42/mode/2up?q=%22trust+reluctant+gods%22">Mandelbaum</a> (1971), ll. 540-541]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">When gods are contrary<br>
They stand by no one.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/aeneid0000virg_e4b6/page/46/mode/2up?q=%22gods+are+contrary%22">Fitzgerald</a> (1981), ll. 532-533]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But no man can trust in gods who are opposed to him.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/aeneidvirg00virg/page/42/mode/2up?q=%22put+trust+in+gods%22">West</a> (1990)]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>Ah, put no faith in anything the will of the gods opposes!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Latin/VirgilAeneidII.php#anchor_Toc536009309:~:text=Ah%2C%20put%20no%20faith%20in%20anything%20the%20will%20of%20the%20gods%20opposes!">Kline</a> (2008)]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>Never rely on the gods for anything<br>
Against their will.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Aeneid/KGG_69G7uQ0C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22rely%20on%20the%20gods%22">Lombardo</a> (2005), ll. 466-467]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">But, oh<br>
how wrong to rely on gods dead set against you!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Aeneid/okrFGPoJb6cC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22how%20wrong%20to%20rely%22">Fagles</a> (2006), ll. 501-502]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>How wrong it is to trust the gods against their will!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Aeneid/FioVEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=bartsch%20aeneid&pg=PP1&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22trust%20the%20gods%20against%22">Bartsch</a> (2021)]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Virgil -- The Aeneid [Ænē̆is], Book  1, l.   8ff (1.8-11) (29-19 BC) [tr. Bartsch (2021)]</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember for me, Muse. Tell me the reasons. What pain,<br />
what insult to her power, moved the queen of gods<br />
to drive a man famous for piety through misery<br />
on misery? Can such anger grip gods&#8217; minds?</p>
<p><em>[Mūsa, mihī causās memorā, quō nūmine laesō,<br />
quidve dolēns, rēgīna deum tot volvere cāsūs<br />
īnsīgnem pietāte virum, tot adīre labōrēs<br />
impulerit. Tantaene animīs caelestibus īrae?]</em></p>
<br><b>Virgil</b> (70–19 BC) Roman poet [b. Publius Vergilius Maro; also Vergil]<br><i>The Aeneid [Ænē̆is]</i>, Book  1, l.   8ff (1.8-11) (29-19 BC) [tr. Bartsch (2021)] 
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<blockquote>Say Muse the cause, what God prophan'd, or why<br>
Heaven's Queen incens'd, one fam'd for piety<br>
Did to such royles, dangers so great compell?<br>
What I can in heavenly minds such passions dwell?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo2/A65106.0001.001/1:6.1?rgn=div2;view=fulltext#:~:text=Say%20Muse%20the,such%20passions%20dwell%3F">Ogilby</a> (1649)]</blockquote><br>




<blockquote>O Muse! the causes and the crimes relate;<br>
What goddess was provok'd, and whence her hate;<br>
For what offense the Queen of Heav'n began<br>
To persecute so brave, so just a man;<br>
Involv'd his anxious life in endless cares,<br>
Expos'd to wants, and hurried into wars!<br>
Can heav'nly minds such high resentment show,<br>
Or exercise their spite in human woe?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Aeneid_(Dryden)/Book_I#:~:text=O%20Muse!%20the,in%20human%20woe%3F">Dryden</a> (1697)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Declare to me, O Muse! the causes, in what the deity being offended, by what the queen of heaven was provoked to drive a man of distinguished piety to struggle with so many calamities, to encounter so many hardships. Is there such resentment in heavenly minds?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Works_of_Virgil/GuFCAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA103&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22declare%20to%20me%22">Davidson/Buckley</a> (1854)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Say, Muse, for godhead how disdained,<br>
Or wherefore wroth, Heaven’s queen constrained<br>
That soul of piety so long<br>
To turn the wheel, to cope with wrong.<br>
Can heavenly natures nourish hate<br>
So ﬁerce, so blindly passionate?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Aeneid_(Conington_1866)/Book_1#:~:text=Say%2C%20Muse%2C%20for%20godhead%20how%20disdained">Conington</a> (1866)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O Muse, the causes tell, for what affront,<br>
And why incensed, the queen of gods compelled<br>
A hero for his piety renowned<br>
To undergo such sufferings and such toils.<br>
Is there such anger in celestial minds?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/aeneidvirgiltra00crangoog/page/n31/mode/2up">Cranch</a> (1872)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Muse, tell me why, for what attaint of her deity, or in what vexation, did the Queen of heaven drive one so excellent in goodness to circle through so many afflictions, to face so many toils? Is anger so fierce in celestial spirits?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/22456/pg22456-images.html#:~:text=Muse%2C%20tell%20me%20why%2C%20for%20what%20attaint%20of%20her%20deity%2C%20or%20in%20what%20vexation%2C%20did%20the%20Queen%20of%20heaven%20drive%20one%20so%20excellent%20in%20goodness%20to%20circle%20through%20so%20many%20afflictions%2C%20to%20face%20so%20many%20toils%3F%20Is%20anger%20so%20fierce%20in%20celestial%20spirits%3F">Mackail</a> (1885)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Say, Muse, what wound of godhead was whereby all this must come,<br>
How grieving, she, the Queen of Gods, a man so pious drave<br>
To win such toil, to welter on through such a troublous wave:<br>
-- Can anger in immortal minds abide so fierce and fell?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/29358/pg29358-images.html#:~:text=Say%2C%20Muse%2C%20what,fierce%20and%20fell%3F">Morris</a> (1900)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O Muse, assist me and inspire my song,<br>
The various causes and the crimes relate,<br>
For what affronted majesty, what wrong<br>
To injured Godhead, what offence so great<br>
Heaven's Queen resenting, with remorseless hate,<br>
Could one renowned for piety compel<br>
To brave such troubles, and endure the weight<br>
Of toils so many and so huge. O tell<br>
How can in heavenly minds such fierce resentment dwell?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/18466/pg18466-images.html#:~:text=O%20Muse%2C%20assist,fierce%20resentment%20dwell%3F">Taylor</a> (1907), st. 2]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O Muse, the causes tell! What sacrilege,<br>
or vengeful sorrow, moved the heavenly Queen<br>
to thrust on dangers dark and endless toil<br>
a man whose largest honor in men's eyes<br>
was serving Heaven? Can gods such anger feel?<br>
[tr. <a href="http://data.perseus.org/citations/urn:cts:latinLit:phi0690.phi003.perseus-eng2:1.8-1.11">Williams</a> (1910)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Tell me, O Muse, the cause; wherein thwarted in will or wherefore angered, did the Queen of heaven drive a man, of goodness so wondrous, to traverse so many perils, to face so many toils. Can resentment so fierce dwell in heavenly breasts?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/L063NVirgilIEcloguesGeorgicsAeneid16/page/n253/mode/2up">Fairclough</a> (1916)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Help me, O Muse, recall the reasons: why,<br>
Why did the queen of heaven drive a man<br>
So known for goodness, for devotion, through<br>
So many toils and perils? Was there slight,<br>
Affront, or outrage? Is vindictiveness<br>
An attribute of the celestial mind?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/61596/pg61596-images.html#:~:text=Help%20me%2C%20O,the%20celestial%20mind%3F">Humphries</a> (1951)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Where lay the cause of it all? How was her godhead injured?<br>
What grievance made the queen of heaven so harry a man<br>
Renowned for piety, through such toils, such a cycle of calamity?<br>
Can a divine being be so persevering in anger?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/aenei00virg/page/12/mode/2up">Day Lewis</a> (1952)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Tell me the reason, Muse: what was the wound<br>
to her divinity, so hurting her<br>
that she, the queen of gods, compelled a man<br>
remarkable for his goodness to endure<br>
so many crises, meet so many trials? <br>
Can such resentment hold the minds of gods?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/aeneidofvirgil100virg/page/n23/mode/2up">Mandelbaum</a> (1971)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Tell me the causes now, O Muse, how galled<br>
In her divine pride, and how sore at heart<br>
From her old wound, the queen of gods compelled him -- <br>
A man apart, devoted to his mission --<br>
To undergo so many perilous days<br>
And enter on so many trials. Can anger<br>
Black as this prey on the minds of heaven?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/aeneid00virg/page/n15/mode/2up">Fitzgerald</a> (1981)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Tell me, Muse, the causes of her anger. How did he violate the will of the Queen of the Gods? What was his offense? Why did she drive a man famous for his piety to such endless hardship and such suffering? Can there be so much anger in the hearts of the heavenly gods?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/aeneidvirg00virg/page/n17/mode/2up">West</a> (1990)]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>Muse, tell me the cause: how was she offended in her divinity,<br>
how was she grieved, the Queen of Heaven, to drive a man,<br>
noted for virtue, to endure such dangers, to face so many<br>
trials? Can there be such anger in the minds of the gods?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Latin/VirgilAeneidI.php#anchor_Toc535054289:~:text=Muse%2C%20tell%20me,of%20the%20gods%3F">Kline</a> (2002)]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>Muse, tell me why the Queen of Heaven<br>
Was so aggrieved, her godhead so offended,<br>
That she forced a man of faultless devotion<br>
To endure so much hardship. Can there be <br>
Anger so great the hearts of gods on high?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Aeneid/KGG_69G7uQ0C?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=lombardo%20aeneid&pg=PA1&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22was%20so%20aggrieved%22">Lombardo</a> (2005)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Tell me,<br>
Muse, how it all began. Why was Juno outraged?<br>
What could wound the Queen of the Gods with all her power?<br>
Why did she force a man, so famous for his devotion,<br>
to brave such rounds of hardship, bear such trials?<br>
Can such rage inflame the immortals' hearts?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Aeneid/okrFGPoJb6cC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PP1&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22how%20it%20all%20began%22">Fagles</a> (2006)]</blockquote><br>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trouble ain&#8217;t that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain&#8217;t distributed right.</p>
<br><b>Mark Twain</b> (1835–1910) American writer [pseud. of Samuel Clemens]<br>Quoted in Merle Johnson, ed., <i>More Maxims of Mark</i> (1927) 
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Not found in a primary source. Johnson was a rare book collector who published the first thorough bibilography of Twain's works in 1910.  His 1927 work is a 15-page pamphlet, generally considered authentic by scholars, but it provides <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Quotable_Mark_Twain_His_Essential_Ap/NX9dNlcEJfEC?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22too%20many%20fools%22">no other context</a> for the saying.<br><br>

For more information on the history of this quotation, see <a href="https://quoteinvestigator.com/2020/10/06/fools-lightning/" title="Quote Origin: The Trouble Ain’t That There Is Too Many Fools, But That the Lightning Ain’t Distributed Right – Quote Investigator®">Quote Origin: The Trouble Ain’t That There Is Too Many Fools, But That the Lightning Ain’t Distributed Right – Quote Investigator®</a>.<br><br>

Variant: "The trouble isn’t that there are too many fools, but that the lightning isn’t distributed right."



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		<title>Virgil -- The Aeneid [Ænē̆is], Book  1, l.   1ff (1.1-7) (29-19 BC) [tr. Fitzgerald (1981)]</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sing of warfare and a man at war.<br />
From the sea-coast of Troy in early days<br />
He came to Italy by destiny,<br />
To our Lavinian western shore,<br />
A fugitive, this captain, buffeted<br />
Cruelly on land as on the sea<br />
By blows from powers of the air &#8212; behind them<br />
Baleful Juno in her sleepless rage.<br />
And cruel losses were his lot in war,<br />
Till he could found a city and bring home<br />
His gods to Latium, land of the Latin race,<br />
The Alban lords, and the high walls of Rome.</p>
<p><em>[Arma virumque canō, Trōiae quī prīmus ab ōrīs<br />
Ītaliam, fātō profugus, Lāvīniaque vēnit<br />
lītora, multum ille et terrīs iactātus et altō<br />
vī superum saevae memorem Iūnōnis ob īram;<br />
multa quoque et bellō passus, dum conderet urbem,<br />
inferretque deōs Latiō, genus unde Latīnum,<br />
Albānīque patrēs, atque altae moenia Rōmae.]</em></p>
<br><b>Virgil</b> (70–19 BC) Roman poet [b. Publius Vergilius Maro; also Vergil]<br><i>The Aeneid [Ænē̆is]</i>, Book  1, l.   1ff (1.1-7) (29-19 BC) [tr. Fitzgerald (1981)] 
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(<a href="http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/vergil/aen1.shtml#:~:text=Arma%20virumque%20can%C5%8D,altae%20moenia%20R%C5%8Dmae.">Source (Latin)</a>). Other translations:<br><br>



<blockquote>Arms and the man I sing who first did come,<br>
Driven by fate, from Troy to Latium.<br>
And Tyrrhen shores; Much toff'd by Land and Sea<br>
By wrath of Gods, and lasting enmity<br>
Of cruell Juno, suffering much by Wars<br>
Whiles he a Citie builds, and Gods transfers<br>
To Latium whence, Latine Originalls<br>
The Alban fathers, and Romes lofty walls.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo2/A65106.0001.001/1:6.1?rgn=div2;view=fulltext#:~:text=I%2C%20That,Romes%20lofty%20walls.">Ogilby</a> (1649)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Arms, and the man I sing, who, forc'd by fate,<br>
And haughty Juno's unrelenting hate,<br>
Expell'd and exil'd, left the Trojan shore.<br>
Long labours, both by sea and land, he bore,<br>
And in the doubtful war, before he won<br>
The Latian realm, and built the destin'd town;<br>
His banish'd gods restor'd to rites divine,<br>
And settled sure succession in his line,<br>
From whence the race of Alban fathers come,<br>
And the long glories of majestic Rome.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Aeneid_(Dryden)/Book_I#:~:text=Arms%2C%20and%20the,of%20majestic%20Rome.">Dryden</a> (1697)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Arms I sing, and the hero, who first, exiled by fate, came from the coast of Troy to Italy, and by the Lavinian shore: much was he tossed both on sea and land, by the power of those above, on account of the unrelenting rage of cruel Juno: much too he suffered in war till he founded a city, and brought his gods into LatiumL from whence the Latin progeny, the Alban fathers, and the walls of lofty Rome.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Works_of_Virgil/GuFCAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA103&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22arms%20I%20sing%22">Davidson/Buckley</a> (1854)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Arms and the man I sing, who ﬁrst,<br>
By Fate of Ilian realm amerced,<br>
To fair Italia onward bore,<br>
And landed on Lavinium’s shore: --<br>
Long tossing earth and ocean o’er,<br>
By violence of heaven, to sate<br>
Fell Juno’s unforgetting hate:<br>
Much laboured too in battle-ﬁeld,<br>
Striving his city’s walls to build,<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And give his Gods a home:<br>
Thence come the hardy Latin brood,<br>
The ancient sires of Alba’s blood,<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And lofty-rampired Rome.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Aeneid_(Conington_1866)/Book_1#:~:text=Arms%20and%20the,lofty%2Drampired%20Rome.">Conington</a> (1866)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I sing of arms, and of the man who first<br>
Came from the coasts of Troy to Italy<br>
And the Lavinian shores, exiled by fate.<br>
Much was he tossed about upon the lands<br>
And on the ocean by supernal powers,<br>
Because of cruel Juno's sleepless wrath.<br>
Many things also suffered he in war,<br>
Until he built a city, and his gods<br>
Brought into Latium, whence the Latin race,<br>
The Alban sires, and walls of lofty Rome.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/aeneidvirgiltra00crangoog/page/n31/mode/2up">Cranch</a> (1872)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I sing of arms and the man who of old from the coasts of Troy came, an exile of fate, to Italy and the shore of Lavinium; hard driven on land and on the deep by the violence of heaven, for cruel Juno's unforgetful anger, and hard bestead in war also, ere he might found a city and carry his gods into Latium; from whom is the Latin race, the lords of Alba, and the stately city Rome.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/22456/pg22456-images.html#:~:text=I%20sing%20of,stately%20city%20Rome.">Mackail</a> (1885)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I sing of arms, I sing of him, who from the Trojan land<br>
Thrust forth by Fate, to Italy and that Lavinian strand<br>
First came: all tost about was he on earth and on the deep<br>
By heavenly might for Juno's wrath, that had no mind to sleep:<br>
And plenteous war he underwent ere he his town might frame<br>
And set his Gods in Latian earth, whence is the Latin name,<br>
And father-folk of Alba-town, and walls of mighty Rome.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/29358/pg29358-images.html#:~:text=I%20sing%20of,of%20mighty%20Rome.">Morris</a> (1900)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Of arms I sing, and of the man, whom Fate<br>
First drove from Troy to the Lavinian shore.<br>
Full many an evil, through the mindful hate<br>
Of cruel Juno, from the gods he bore,<br>
Much tost on earth and ocean, yea, and more<br>
In war enduring, ere he built a home,<br>
And his loved household-deities brought o'er<br>
To Latium, whence the Latin people come,<br>
Whence rose the Alban sires, and walls of lofty Rome.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/18466/pg18466-images.html#:~:text=Of%20arms%20I,of%20lofty%20Rome.">Taylor</a> (1907), st. 1]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Arms and the man I sing, who first made way,<br>
predestined exile, from the Trojan shore<br>
to Italy, the blest Lavinian strand.<br>
Smitten of storms he was on land and sea<br>
by violence of Heaven, to satisfy<br>
stern Juno's sleepless wrath; and much in war<br>
he suffered, seeking at the last to found<br>
the city, and bring o'er his fathers' gods<br>
to safe abode in Latium; whence arose<br>
the Latin race, old Alba's reverend lords,<br>
and from her hills wide-walled, imperial Rome.<br>
[tr. <a href="http://data.perseus.org/citations/urn:cts:latinLit:phi0690.phi003.perseus-eng2:1.1-1.7">Williams</a> (1910)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Arms I sing and the man who first from the coasts of Troy, exiled by fate, came to Italy and Lavinian shores; much buffeted on sea and land by violence from above, through cruel Juno's unforgiving wrath, and much enduring in war also, till he should build a city and bring his gods ot Latium; whence came the Latin race, the lords of Alba, and the walls of lofty Rome.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/L063NVirgilIEcloguesGeorgicsAeneid16/page/n253/mode/2up">Fairclough</a> (1916)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Arms and the man I sing, the first who came,<br>
Compelled by fate, an exile out of Troy,<br>
To Italy and the Lavinian coast,<br>
Much buffeted on land and on the deep<br>
By violence of the gods, through that long rage,<br>
That lasting hate, of Juno’s. And he suffered<br>
Much, also, in war, till he should build his town<br>
And bring his gods to Latium, whence, in time,<br>
The Latin race, the Alban fathers, rose<br>
And the great walls of everlasting Rome.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/61596/pg61596-images.html#:~:text=Arms%20and%20the%20man%20I,great%20walls%20of%20everlasting%20Rome.">Humphries</a> (1951)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I tell about war and the hero who first from Troy's frontier,<br>
Displaced by destiny, came to the Lavinian shores,<br>
To Italy -- a man much travailed on sea and land<br>
By the powers above, because of the brooding anger of Juno,<br>
Suffering much in war until he could found a city<br>
And march his gods into Latium, whence rose the Latin race,<br>
The royal line of Alba and the high walls of Rome.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/aenei00virg/page/12/mode/2up">Day Lewis</a> (1952)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I sing of arms and of a man: his fate<br>
had made him fugitive; he was the first<br>
to journey from the coasts of Troy as far<br>
as Italy and the Lavinian shores.<br>
Across the lands and waters he was battered<br>
beneath the violence of High Ones, for<br>
the savage Juno's unforgetting anger;<br>
and many sufferings were his in war<br>
until he brought a city into being<br>
and carried in his gods to Latium;<br>
from this have come the Latin race, the lords<br>
of Alba, and the ramparts of high Rome.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/aeneidofvirgil100virg/page/n23/mode/2up">Mandelbaum</a> (1971)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I sing of arms and of the man, fated to be an exile, who long since left the land of Troy and came to Italy to the shores of Lavinium; and a great pounding he took by land and sea at the hands of the heavenly gods because of the fierce and unforgetting anger of Juno. Great too were his suffering in war before he could found his city and carry his gods into Latium. this was the beginning of the Latin race, the Alban fathers and the high walls of Rome. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/aeneidvirg00virg/page/n17/mode/2up">West</a> (1990)]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>I sing of arms and the man, he who, exiled by fate,<br>
first came from the coast of Troy to Italy, and to<br>
Lavinian shores – hurled about endlessly by land and sea,<br>
by the will of the gods, by cruel Juno’s remorseless anger,<br>
long suffering also in war, until he founded a city<br>
and brought his gods to Latium: from that the Latin people<br>
came, the lords of Alba Longa, the walls of noble Rome.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Latin/VirgilAeneidI.php#anchor_Toc535054289:~:text=I%20sing%20of,of%20noble%20Rome.">Kline</a> (2002)]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>Arms I sing -- and a man,<br>
The first to come from the shores<br>
Of Troy, exiled by Fate, to Italy<br>
And the Lavinian coast; a man battered<br>
On land and sea by the powers above<br>
In the face of Juno's relentless wrath;<br>
A man who also suffered greatly in war<br>
Until he could found his city and bring his gods<br>
Into Latium, from which arose<br>
The Latin people, our Alban forefathers,<br>
And the high walls of everlasting Rome.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Aeneid/KGG_69G7uQ0C?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=lombardo%20aeneid&pg=PA1&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22first%20to%20come%22">Lombardo</a> (2005)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Wars and a man I sing -- an exile driven on by Fate,<br>
he was the first to flee the coast of Troy,<br>
destined to reach Lavinian shores and Italian soil,<br>
yet many blows he took on land and sea from the gods above --<br>
thanks to cruel Juno’s relentless rage -- and many losses<br>
he bore in battle too, before he could found a city,<br>
bring his gods to Latium, source of the Latin race,<br>
the Alban lords and the high walls of Rome.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Aeneid/okrFGPoJb6cC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA3&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22wars%20and%20a%20man%20i%20sing%22">Fagles</a> (2006)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>My song is of war and a man: a refugee by fate,<br>
the first from Troy to Italy's Lavinian shores,<br>
battered much on land and sea by blows from gods<br>
obliging brutal Juno's unforgetting rage;<br>
he suffered much in war as well, all to plant<br>
his town and gods in Latium. From here would rise<br>
the Latin race, the Alban lords, and Rome's high walls.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Aeneid/FioVEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=bartsch%20aeneid&pg=PA3&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22song%20is%20of%20war%22">Bartsch</a> (2021)]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Ingersoll, Robert Green -- Lecture (1881-05-01) &#8220;The Great Infidels,&#8221; Booth&#8217;s Theater, New York</title>
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<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833–1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>Lecture (1881-05-01) &#8220;The Great Infidels,&#8221; Booth&#8217;s Theater, New York 
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		<title>Bible, Vol. 1. Old Testament -- Book 38. Zechariah  7: 9ff (Zech 7:9-12) [NRSV (2021 ed.)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thus says the Lord of hosts: Render true judgments, show kindness and mercy to one another; do not oppress the widow, the orphan, the alien, or the poor; and do not devise evil in your hearts against one another. But they refused to listen and turned a stubborn shoulder and stopped their ears in order [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="tab">Thus says the Lord of hosts: Render true judgments, show kindness and mercy to one another; do not oppress the widow, the orphan, the alien, or the poor; and do not devise evil in your hearts against one another.<br />
<span class="tab">But they refused to listen and turned a stubborn shoulder and stopped their ears in order not to hear. They made their hearts adamant in order not to hear the law and the words that the Lord of hosts had sent by his spirit through the former prophets. Therefore great wrath came from the Lord of hosts.</p>
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כֹּ֥ה אָמַ֛ר יְהֹוָ֥ה צְבָא֖וֹת לֵאמֹ֑ר מִשְׁפַּ֤ט אֱמֶת֙ שְׁפֹ֔טוּ וְחֶ֣סֶד וְרַֽחֲמִ֔ים עֲשׂ֖וּ אִ֥ישׁ אֶת־אָחִֽיו׃<br />
וְאַלְמָנָ֧ה וְיָת֛וֹם גֵּ֥ר וְעָנִ֖י אַֽל־תַּעֲשֹׁ֑קוּ וְרָעַת֙ אִ֣ישׁ אָחִ֔יו אַֽל־תַּחְשְׁב֖וּ בִּלְבַבְכֶֽם׃<br />
וַיְמָאֲנ֣וּ לְהַקְשִׁ֔יב וַיִּתְּנ֥וּ כָתֵ֖ף סֹרָ֑רֶת וְאׇזְנֵיהֶ֖ם הִכְבִּ֥ידוּ מִשְּׁמֽוֹעַ׃<br />
וְלִבָּ֞ם שָׂ֣מוּ שָׁמִ֗יר מִ֠שְּׁמ֠וֹעַ אֶת־הַתּוֹרָ֤ה וְאֶת־הַדְּבָרִים֙ אֲשֶׁ֨ר שָׁלַ֜ח יְהֹוָ֤ה צְבָאוֹת֙ בְּרוּח֔וֹ בְּיַ֖ד הַנְּבִיאִ֣ים הָרִֽאשֹׁנִ֑ים וַֽיְהִי֙ קֶ֣צֶף גָּד֔וֹל מֵאֵ֖ת יְהֹוָ֥ה צְבָאֽוֹת׃
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<br><b>The Bible (The Old Testament)</b> (14th - 2nd C BC) Judeo-Christian sacred scripture [Tanakh, Hebrew Bible], incl. the Apocrypha (Deuterocanonicals) <br>Book 38. <i>Zechariah</i>  7: 9ff (Zech 7:9-12) [NRSV (2021 ed.)] 
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(<a href="https://www.sefaria.org/Zechariah.7.9?lang=bi&with=all&lang2=en">Source (Hebrew)</a>). Other translations:<br><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Execute true judgment, and shew mercy and compassions every man to his brother:<br>
<span class="tab">And oppress not the widow, nor the fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor; and let none of you imagine evil against his brother in your heart.<br>
<span class="tab">But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.<br>
<span class="tab">Yea, they made their hearts as an adamant stone, lest they should hear the law, and the words which the Lord of hosts hath sent in his spirit by the former prophets: therefore came a great wrath from the Lord of hosts.<br>
[<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Zechariah+7%3A9-12&version=KJV">KJV</a> (1611)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">Yahweh Sabaoth says this. He said, "Apply the law fairly, and practice kindness and compassion towards one another. Do not oppress the widow and the orphan, the settler and the poor man, and do not secretly plan evil against one another." But they would not pay attention; they turned a petulant shoulder; they stopped their ears rather than hear; they made their hearts adamant rather than listen to the teaching and the words that Yahweh Sabaoth had sent by his spirit through the prophets in the past. This aroused great anger on the part of of Yahweh Sabaoth overtook them.<br>
[<a href="https://archive.org/details/thejerusalembible1966/page/1534/mode/2up">JB</a> (1966)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">“Long ago I gave these commands to my people: ‘You must see that justice is done, and must show kindness and mercy to one another. Do not oppress widows, orphans, foreigners who live among you, or anyone else in need. And do not plan ways of harming one another.’<br>
<span class="tab">“But my people stubbornly refused to listen. They closed their minds and made their hearts as hard as rock. Because they would not listen to the teaching which I sent through the prophets who lived long ago, I became very angry."<br>
[<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Zechariah+7%3A9-12&version=GNT">GNT</a> (1976)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">'Yahweh Sabaoth says this. He said, "Apply the law fairly, and show faithful love and compassion towards one another.<br>
<span class="tab">Do not oppress the widow and the orphan, the foreigner and the poor, and do not secretly plan evil against one another."<br>
<span class="tab">But they would not listen; they turned a rebellious shoulder; they stopped their ears rather than hear;<br>
<span class="tab">they made their hearts adamant rather than listen to the teaching and the words that Yahweh Sabaoth had sent -- by his spirit -- through the prophets in the past; and consequently the fury of Yahweh Sabaoth overtook them.<br>
[<a href="https://www.bibliacatolica.com.br/en/new-jerusalem-bible/zechariah/7/#:~:text=%27Yahweh%20Sabaoth%20says,Sabaoth%20overtook%20them.">NJB</a> (1985)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">The Lord of heavenly forces proclaims:<br>
<span class="tab">Make just and faithful decisions; show kindness and compassion to each other! Don’t oppress the widow, the orphan, the stranger, and the poor; don’t plan evil against each other! But they refused to pay attention. They turned a cold shoulder and stopped listening.<br>
<span class="tab">They steeled their hearts against hearing the Instruction and the words that the Lord of heavenly forces sent by his spirit through the earlier prophets. As a result, the Lord of heavenly forces became enraged.<br>
[<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Zechariah+7%3A9-12&version=CEB">CEB</a> (2011)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">Thus said GOD of Hosts: Execute true justice; deal loyally and compassionately with one another.<br>
<span class="tab">Do not defraud the widow, the orphan, the stranger, and the poor; and do not plot evil against one another. --<br>
<span class="tab">But they refused to pay heed. They presented a balky back and turned a deaf ear.<br>
<span class="tab">They hardened their hearts like adamant against heeding the instruction and admonition that GOD of Hosts sent to them by divine spirit through the earlier prophets; and a terrible wrath issued from GOD of Hosts.<br>
[<a href="https://www.sefaria.org/Zechariah.7.9?lang=bi&with=all&lang2=en">RJPS</a> (2023 ed.)]</blockquote><br>
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		<title>Bible, Vol. 2. New Testament -- Book  6. Letter to the Romans 12:19ff (Rom 12:19–21) [NRSV (2021 ed.)]</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine; I will repay, says the Lord.” Instead, “if your enemies are hungry, feed them; if they are thirsty, give them something to drink, for by doing this you will heap burning coals on their heads.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.</p>
<p>[μὴ ἑαυτοὺς ἐκδικοῦντες, ἀγαπητοί, ἀλλὰ δότε τόπον τῇ ὀργῇ, γέγραπται γάρ, &#8221; Ἐμοὶ ἐκδίκησις, ἐγὼ ἀνταποδώσω,&#8221; λέγει κύριος. ἀλλ᾽ &#8221; ἐὰν πεινᾷ ὁ ἐχθρός σου, ψώμιζε αὐτόν· ἐὰν διψᾷ, πότιζε αὐτόν· τοῦτο γὰρ ποιῶν ἄνθρακας πυρὸς σωρεύσεις ἐπὶ τὴν κεφαλὴν αὐτοῦ.&#8221; μὴ νικῶ ὑπὸ τοῦ κακοῦ ἀλλὰ νίκα ἐν τῷ ἀγαθῷ τὸ κακόν.]</p>
<br><b>The Bible (The New Testament)</b> (AD 1st - 2nd C) Christian sacred scripture<br>Book  6. <i>Letter to the Romans</i> 12:19ff (Rom 12:19–21) [NRSV (2021 ed.)] 
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The two passages quoted are <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deut.32.35&version=AKJV">Deut. 32:35</a> and <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Prov.25.21-Prov.25.22&version=AKJV">Proverbs 25:21-22</a>.<br><br>

(<a href="https://tips.translation.bible/tip_verse/rom-1219/">Source (Greek)</a>). Other translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.<br>
[<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=romans%2012%3A19-21&version=AKJV">KJV</a> (1611)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Never try to get revenge; leave that, my friends, to God's anger. As scripture says: vengeance is mine - I will pay them back, the Lord promises. But there is more: If your enemy is hungry, you should give him food, and if he is thirsty, let him drink. Thus you heap red-hot coals on his head. Resist evil and conquer it with good.<br>
[<a href="https://www.seraphim.my/bible/jb/JB-NT06%20ROMANS.htm#:~:text=Never%20try%20to,it%20with%20good.">JB</a> (1966)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Never try to get revenge: leave that, my dear friends, to the Retribution. As scripture says: Vengeance is mine -- I will pay them back, the Lord promises. And more: If your enemy is hungry, give him something to eat; if thirsty, something to drink. By this, you will be heaping red-hot coals on his head. Do not be mastered by evil, but master evil with good.<br>
[<a href="https://www.bibliacatolica.com.br/en/new-jerusalem-bible/romans/12/#:~:text=Never%20try%20to,evil%20with%20good.">NJB</a> (1985)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Never take revenge, my friends, but instead let God's anger do it. For the scripture says, “I will take revenge, I will pay back, says the Lord.”  Instead, as the scripture says: “If your enemies are hungry, feed them; if they are thirsty, give them a drink; for by doing this you will make them burn with shame.” Do not let evil defeat you; instead, conquer evil with good.<br>
[<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=romans%2012%3A19-21&version=GNT">GNT</a> (1992 ed.)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Don’t try to get revenge for yourselves, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath. It is written, <i>Revenge belongs to me; I will pay it back, says the Lord.</i> Instead, <i>If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him a drink. By doing this, you will pile burning coals of fire upon his head.</i> Don’t be defeated by evil, but defeat evil with good.<br>
[<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=romans%2012%3A19-21&version=CEB">CEB</a> (2011)]</blockquote><br>






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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VENKMAN: This city is headed for a disaster of Biblical proportions.</p>
<p>MAYOR: What do you mean, &#8220;Biblical&#8221;?</p>
<p>RAY: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor, real wrath-of-God type stuff. Fire and brimstone coming down from the sky! Rivers and seas boiling!</p>
<p>EGON: Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes &#8230;</p>
<p>WINSTON: The dead rising from the grave!</p>
<p>VENKMAN: Human sacrifice! Dogs and cats living together! Mass hysteria!</p>
<br><b>Dan Aykroyd</b> (b. 1952) Canadian comedian<br><i>Ghostbusters</i> [with Harold Ramis] (1984) 
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		<title>Bible, Vol. 1. Old Testament -- Book 20. Proverbs 24:17ff (Prov 24:17-18) [tr. RJPS (2023 ed.)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[If your enemies fall, do not exult; If they trip, let your heart not rejoice, Lest GOD see it and be displeased, And avert God’s wrath from them. בִּנְפֹ֣ל (אויביך) [א֭וֹיִבְךָ] אַל־תִּשְׂמָ֑ח וּ֝בִכָּשְׁל֗וֹ אַל־יָגֵ֥ל לִבֶּֽךָ׃ (Source (Hebrew)). Other translations: Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth: [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your enemies fall, do not exult;<br />
If they trip, let your heart not rejoice,<br />
Lest GOD see it and be displeased,<br />
And avert God’s wrath from them.</p>
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בִּנְפֹ֣ל (אויביך) [א֭וֹיִבְךָ] אַל־תִּשְׂמָ֑ח וּ֝בִכָּשְׁל֗וֹ אַל־יָגֵ֥ל לִבֶּֽךָ׃</p>
<br><b>The Bible (The Old Testament)</b> (14th - 2nd C BC) Judeo-Christian sacred scripture [Tanakh, Hebrew Bible], incl. the Apocrypha (Deuterocanonicals) <br>Book 20. <i>Proverbs</i> 24:17ff (Prov 24:17-18) [tr. RJPS (2023 ed.)] 
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(<a href="https://www.sefaria.org/Proverbs.24.17?lang=bi&with=all&lang2=en">Source (Hebrew)</a>). Other translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth:<br>
Lest the Lord see it, and it displease him, and he turn away his wrath from him.<br>
[<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+24%3A17-18&version=KJV">KJV</a> (1611)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Should your enemy fall, do not rejoice, when he stumbles do not let your heart exult; for fear that at the sight Yahweh will be displeased and turn his anger away from him.<br>
[<a href="https://bibledoctrine.us/proverbs/#:~:text=Should%20your%20enemy,away%20from%20him.">JB</a> (1966)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Don't be glad when your enemies meet disaster, and don't rejoice when they stumble. The Lord will know if you are gloating, and he will not like it; and then maybe he won't punish them.<br>
[<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+24%3A17-18&version=GNT">GNT</a> (1976)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Should your enemy fall, do not rejoice, when he stumbles do not let your heart exult: for fear that Yahweh will be displeased at the sight and turn his anger away from him.<br>
[<a href="https://www.bibliacatolica.com.br/en/new-jerusalem-bible/proverbs/24/#:~:text=Should%20your%20enemy,away%20from%20him.">NJB</a> (1985)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>When your enemies fall, don’t rejoice.<br>
<span class="tab">When they stumble, don’t let your heart be glad,<br>
or the Lord will see it and be displeased,<br>
<span class="tab">and he will turn his anger from them.<br>
[<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+24%3A17-18&version=CEB">CEB</a> (2011)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Do not rejoice when your enemies fall,<br>
<span class="tab">and do not let your heart be glad when they stumble,<br>
lest the Lord see it and be displeased<br>
<span class="tab">and turn away his anger from them.<br>
[<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+24%3A17-18&version=NRSVUE">NRSV</a> (2021 ed.)]</blockquote><br>
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		<title>Carlin, George -- Show (1999-02-06), You Are All Diseased, Beacon Theater, New York City (HBO)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Religion &#8212; easily &#8212; has the Greatest Bullshit Story Ever Told! Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there&#8217;s an invisible man &#8212; living in the sky &#8212; who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things He does not want [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Religion &#8212; easily &#8212; has the Greatest Bullshit Story Ever Told! Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there&#8217;s an <em>invisible man &#8212; living in the sky</em> &#8212; who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things He does not want you to do. And if you do <em>any</em> of these ten things, He has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry, forever and ever, till the end of time! But He loves you! He loves you. He loves you and He <i>needs money!</i>  He always needs money! He&#8217;s all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise &#8212; somehow just can&#8217;t handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullshit story, holy shit!</p>
<br><b>George Carlin</b> (1937–2008) American comedian<br>Show (1999-02-06), <i>You Are All Diseased</i>, Beacon Theater, New York City (HBO) 
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(<a href="https://youtu.be/_BFIRgn9OLI?si=heR7J3C0-2n4eEvl&t=22">Source (Video)</a>).

<a href="https://archive.org/details/napalmsillyputty00carl_0/page/28/mode/2up?q=%22bullshit+story%22">Reprinted</a>, slightly edited, in <i>Napalm & Silly Putty</i>, "Bullshit from the Sky" (2001):<br><br>

<blockquote>Religion -- easily -- has the Greatest Bullshit Story Ever Told! Think about it: religion has actually convinced people -- many of them adults -- that there's an invisible man who lives in the sky and watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And who has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do <em>any</em> of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to remain and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry, forever and ever, till the end of time! But he loves you. He loves you and he needs money!  He always needs money. He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, but somehow ... he just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, pays no taxes, and somehow always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullshit story. Holy shit!</blockquote>









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		<title>Ingersoll, Robert Green -- Lecture (1884-01-20), &#8220;Orthodoxy,&#8221; Tabor Opera House, Denver, Colorado</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[They say that God says to me, &#8220;Forgive your enemies.&#8221; I say, &#8220;I do;&#8221; but he says, &#8220;I will damn mine.&#8221; God should be consistent. If he wants me to forgive my enemies he should forgive his. I am asked to forgive enemies who can hurt me. God is only asked to forgive enemies who [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They say that God says to me, &#8220;Forgive your enemies.&#8221; I say, &#8220;I do;&#8221; but he says, &#8220;I will damn mine.&#8221; God should be consistent. If he wants me to forgive my enemies he should forgive his. I am asked to forgive enemies who can hurt me. God is only asked to forgive enemies who cannot hurt him. He certainly ought to be as generous as he asks us to be. And I want no God to forgive me unless I am willing to forgive others, and unless I do forgive others. All I ask, if that be true, is that this God should act according to his own doctrine.</p>
<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833–1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>Lecture (1884-01-20), &#8220;Orthodoxy,&#8221; Tabor Opera House, Denver, Colorado 
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Published as <a href="https://archive.org/details/orthodoxylecture00inge/page/14/mode/2up">its own book</a> in 1884.


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		<title>Ingersoll, Robert Green -- Lecture (1877-01-31) &#8220;The Liberty of Man, Woman, and Child,&#8221; Case Hall, Boston</title>
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<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833–1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>Lecture (1877-01-31) &#8220;The Liberty of Man, Woman, and Child,&#8221; Case Hall, Boston 
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		<title>Ingersoll, Robert Green -- Lecture (1881-05-01) &#8220;The Great Infidels,&#8221; Booth&#8217;s Theater, New York</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is it necessary that Heaven should borrow its light from the glare of Hell? Infinite punishment is infinite cruelty, endless injustice, immortal meanness. To worship an eternal gaoler hardens, debases, and pollutes even the vilest soul. While there is one sad and breaking heart in the universe, no good being can be perfectly happy.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="tab">Is it necessary that Heaven should borrow its light from the glare of Hell?<br />
<span class="tab">Infinite punishment is infinite cruelty, endless injustice, immortal meanness. To worship an eternal gaoler hardens, debases, and pollutes even the vilest soul. While there is one sad and breaking heart in the universe, no good being can be perfectly happy.</p>
<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833–1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>Lecture (1881-05-01) &#8220;The Great Infidels,&#8221; Booth&#8217;s Theater, New York 
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;You heard these words: &#8216;Grant us the victory, O Lord our God!&#8217; That is sufficient. The whole of the uttered prayer is compact into those pregnant words. Elaborations were not necessary. When you have prayed for victory you have prayed for many unmentioned results which follow victory &#8212; must follow it, cannot help but follow [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="tab">&#8220;You heard these words: &#8216;Grant us the victory, O Lord our God!&#8217; That is sufficient. The whole of the uttered prayer is compact into those pregnant words. Elaborations were not necessary. When you have prayed for victory you have prayed for many unmentioned results which follow victory &#8212; <i>must</i> follow it, cannot help but follow it. Upon the listening spirit of God fell also the unspoken part of the prayer. He commandeth me to put it into words. Listen!<br />
<span class="tab">&#8220;O Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth to battle &#8212; be Thou near them! With them &#8212; in spirit &#8212; we also go forth from the sweet peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe. O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with their little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it &#8212; for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.<br />
<span class="tab"><em>(After a pause.)</em> &#8220;Ye have prayed it; if ye still desire it, speak! The messenger of the Most High waits!&#8221;</span></span></span></p>
<br><b>Mark Twain</b> (1835–1910) American writer [pseud. of Samuel Clemens]<br>Story (1905), &#8220;The War Prayer&#8221; 
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A mysterious man speaking to a church congregation gathered to pray for the victory of their local men going off to war.<br><br>

The story was originally written after the Spanish-American War and during the Philippine-American War. It was <a href="https://archive.lewrockwell.com/orig/twain1.html#:~:text=March%2022%2C%201905%2C%20Harper%27s%20Bazaar%20rejected%20it%20as%20%22not%20quite%20suited%20to%20a%20woman%27s%20magazine.%22">rejected</a> at the time by <i>Harper's Bazaar</i> on 1905-03-22 as "too radical" and "not quite suited to a woman's magazine."  He was further <a href="https://archive.org/details/ordealofmark00broorich/page/238/mode/2up?q=%22he+wrote+a+war+prayer%22">discouraged</a> by his family, friends, and publishers from publishing something so "sacrilegious."<br><br>

It's frequently claimed that the story was eventually published in <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015056097440&seq=897&q1=DCCXCVIII"><i>Harper's Magazine</i>, Vol 80, No. 798 (1916-11)</a>, during World War I. In reality, that issue only contains <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015056097440&seq=987&q1=%22twain+part+vii%22">Part 7 (the last installment) of his <i>The Mysterious Stranger</i></a> (a different story).<br><br>

It was not published until <a href="https://archive.org/details/europeelsewhere0000mark/page/394/mode/2up?q=%22war+prayer%22">collected</a> in <i>Europe and Elsewhere</i> (1923) [ed. Paine].



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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="tab">As the time drew near when Jesus would be taken up to heaven, he made up his mind and set out on his way to Jerusalem. He sent messengers ahead of him, who went into a village in Samaria to get everything ready for him. But the people there would not receive him, because it was clear that he was on his way to Jerusalem.<br />
<span class="tab">When the disciples James and John saw this, they said, “Lord, do you want us to call fire down from heaven to destroy them?”<br />
<span class="tab">Jesus turned and rebuked them. Then Jesus and his disciples went on to another village.</p>
<p><span class="tab">[Ἐγένετο δὲ ἐν τῷ συμπληροῦσθαι τὰς ἡμέρας τῆς ἀναλήμψεως αὐτοῦ καὶ αὐτὸς τὸ πρόσωπον ἐστήρισεν τοῦ πορεύεσθαι εἰς Ἰερουσαλήμ. καὶ ἀπέστειλεν ἀγγέλους πρὸ προσώπου αὐτοῦ. καὶ πορευθέντες εἰσῆλθον εἰς κώμην Σαμαριτῶν ὡς ἑτοιμάσαι αὐτῷ· καὶ οὐκ ἐδέξαντο αὐτόν, ὅτι τὸ πρόσωπον αὐτοῦ ἦν πορευόμενον εἰς Ἰερουσαλήμ.<br />
<span class="tab">ἰδόντες δὲ οἱ μαθηταὶ Ἰάκωβος καὶ Ἰωάννης εἶπαν, Κύριε, θέλεις εἴπωμεν πῦρ καταβῆναι ἀπὸ τοῦ οὐρανοῦ καὶ ἀναλῶσαι αὐτούς;<br />
<span class="tab">στραφεὶς δὲ ἐπετίμησεν αὐτοῖς. καὶ ἐπορεύθησαν εἰς ἑτέραν κώμην.]</span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<br><b>The Bible (The New Testament)</b> (AD 1st - 2nd C) Christian sacred scripture<br>Book  3. <i>Gospel of Luke</i>  9:51ff (Luke 9:51–56) [GNT (1992 ed.)] 
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No Synoptic parallels.  Only Luke and John (<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%204&version=GNT">John 9:4-42</a>) mention Jesus preaching in Samaritan lands. In <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matt%2010%3A5&version=NRSVUE">Matthew 10:5</a>, the disciples are explicitly warned not to enter Samaritan towns. <br><br>

The primary outward dispute between the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaritans">Samaritans</a> and the Jews was (and is) over the former's venerating Mount Gerizim and the latter Jerusalem as the holiest site, each claiming the location for where the Binding of Isaac occurred.  A pilgrim passing through Samaria headed for Jerusalem would not receive a warm welcome.  <br><br>


The GNT, NRSV, and NIV note that in some manuscripts, John and James recommend calling down fire to destroy them "as Elijah did" (<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Kings%201%3A10&version=AKJV">2 Kings 1:10</a>). The GNT and NRSV note some manuscripts give Jesus' actual rebuke: "You don't know what kind of a Spirit you belong to; for the Son of Man did not come to destroy human lives, but to save them."  Both additional texts were included in the KJV.<br><br>

(<a href="https://tips.translation.bible/tip_verse/luke-951/">Source (Greek)</a>). Other translations:<br><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he steadfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem, and sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him. And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem. <br>
<span class="tab">And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? <br>
<span class="tab">But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.<br>
[<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%20%209%3A%20%2051-56&version=AKJV">KJV</a> (1611)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">Now as the time drew near for him to be taken up to heaven, he resolutely took the road for Jerusalem and sent messengers ahead of him. These set out, and they went into a Samaritan village to make preparations for him, but the people would not receive him because he was making for Jerusalem.<br>
<span class="tab">Seeing this, the disciples James and John said, "Lord, do you want us to call down fire from heaven to burn them up?"<br>
<span class="tab">But he turned and rebuked them, and they went off to another village.<br>
[<a href="https://www.seraphim.my/bible/jb/JB-NT03%20LUKE.htm#:~:text=Now%20as%20the,to%20another%20village.">JB</a> (1966)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">Now it happened that as the time drew near for him to be taken up, he resolutely turned his face towards Jerusalem and sent messengers ahead of him. These set out, and they went into a Samaritan village to make preparations for him, but the people would not receive him because he was making for Jerusalem.<br>
<span class="tab">Seeing this, the disciples James and John said, "Lord, do you want us to call down fire from heaven to burn them up?"<br>
<span class="tab">But he turned and rebuked them, and they went on to another village.<br>
[<a href="https://www.bibliacatolica.com.br/en/new-jerusalem-bible/luke/9/#:~:text=Now%20it%20happened%20that%20as,went%20on%20to%20another%20village.">NJB</a> (1985)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">As the time approached when Jesus was to be taken up into heaven, he determined to go to Jerusalem. He sent messengers on ahead of him. Along the way, they entered a Samaritan village to prepare for his arrival, but the Samaritan villagers refused to welcome him because he was determined to go to Jerusalem. <br>
<span class="tab">When the disciples James and John saw this, they said, “Lord, do you want us to call fire down from heaven to consume them?” <br>
<span class="tab">But Jesus turned and spoke sternly to them, and they went on to another village.<br>
[<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%20%209%3A%20%2051-56&version=CEB">CEB</a> (2011)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">As the time approached for him to be taken up to heaven, Jesus resolutely set out for Jerusalem. And he sent messengers on ahead, who went into a Samaritan village to get things ready for him; but the people there did not welcome him, because he was heading for Jerusalem. <br>
<span class="tab">When the disciples James and John saw this, they asked, “Lord, do you want us to call fire down from heaven to destroy them?” <br>
<span class="tab">But Jesus turned and rebuked them, and they went to another village.<br>
[<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%20%209%3A%20%2051-56&version=NIV">NIV</a> (2011 ed.)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">When the days drew near for him to be taken up, he set his face to go to Jerusalem. And he sent messengers ahead of him. On their way they entered a village of the Samaritans to prepare for his arrival, but they did not receive him because his face was set toward Jerusalem. <br>
<span class="tab">When his disciples James and John saw this, they said, “Lord, do you want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them?”<br>
<span class="tab">But he turned and rebuked them. Then they went on to another village.<br>
[<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%20%209%3A%20%2051-56&version=NRSVUE">NRSV</a> (2021 ed.)]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<description><![CDATA[When the Egyptians were drowning in the Red Sea, the angels in heaven began to break forth in songs of jubilation, but the Holy One, blessed be He, silenced them: &#8220;My creatures are perishing — and ye are ready to sing!&#8221; בִּקְּשׁוּ מַלְאֲכֵי הַשָּׁרֵת לוֹמַר שִׁירָה, אָמַר הַקָּדוֹשׁ בָּרוּךְ הוּא: מַעֲשֵׂה יָדַי טוֹבְעִין בַּיָּם, וְאַתֶּם [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the Egyptians were drowning in the Red Sea, the angels in heaven began to break forth in songs of jubilation, but the Holy One, blessed be He, silenced them: &#8220;My creatures are perishing — and ye are ready to sing!&#8221;</p>
<p align="right">בִּקְּשׁוּ מַלְאֲכֵי הַשָּׁרֵת לוֹמַר שִׁירָה, אָמַר הַקָּדוֹשׁ בָּרוּךְ הוּא: מַעֲשֵׂה יָדַי טוֹבְעִין בַּיָּם, וְאַתֶּם אוֹמְרִים שִׁירָה</p>
<br><b>The Talmud</b> (AD 200–500) Collection of Jewish rabbinical writings<br>Babylonian Talmud, Seder Moed, Megillah 10b.26 [Rosten (1972)] 
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A comment from Rabbi Johanan (d. AD 179), discussing the question whether God rejoices in the downfall of the wicked, referencing the destruction of the pursuing Egyptian army at the Red Sea (<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2014%3A21-31&version=NRSVUE">Exodus 14:21-31</a>). Some sources suggest the song to be sung was <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=isaiah%206%3A3&version=NRSVUE">Isaiah 6:3</a>.<br><br>

In addition to Megillah 10b, this passage is echoed in Seder Nezikin, <a href="https://www.sefaria.org/Sanhedrin.39b.5?lang=bi&with=all&lang2=en">Sanhedrin 39b.5</a>: <br><br>

<blockquote><p align="right">בְּאוֹתָהּ שָׁעָה בִּקְּשׁוּ מַלְאֲכֵי הַשָּׁרֵת לוֹמַר שִׁירָה לִפְנֵי הַקָּדוֹשׁ בָּרוּךְ הוּא. אָמַר לָהֶן הַקָּדוֹשׁ בָּרוּךְ הוּא: מַעֲשֵׂה יָדַי טוֹבְעִין בַּיָּם וְאַתֶּם אוֹמְרִים שִׁירָה לְפָנַי</p></blockquote>

(<a href="https://www.sefaria.org/Megillah.10b.26?lang=bi&with=all&lang2=en#:~:text=%D7%91%D6%BC%D6%B4%D7%A7%D6%BC%D6%B0%D7%A9%D7%81%D7%95%D6%BC%20%D7%9E%D6%B7%D7%9C%D6%B0%D7%90%D6%B2%D7%9B%D6%B5%D7%99%20%D7%94%D6%B7%D7%A9%D6%BC%D7%81%D6%B8%D7%A8%D6%B5%D7%AA%20%D7%9C%D7%95%D6%B9%D7%9E%D6%B7%D7%A8%20%D7%A9%D7%81%D6%B4%D7%99%D7%A8%D6%B8%D7%94%2C%20%D7%90%D6%B8%D7%9E%D6%B7%D7%A8%20%D7%94%D6%B7%D7%A7%D6%BC%D6%B8%D7%93%D7%95%D6%B9%D7%A9%D7%81%20%D7%91%D6%BC%D6%B8%D7%A8%D7%95%D6%BC%D7%9A%D6%B0%20%D7%94%D7%95%D6%BC%D7%90%3A%20%D7%9E%D6%B7%D7%A2%D6%B2%D7%A9%D7%82%D6%B5%D7%94%20%D7%99%D6%B8%D7%93%D6%B7%D7%99%20%D7%98%D7%95%D6%B9%D7%91%D6%B0%D7%A2%D6%B4%D7%99%D7%9F%20%D7%91%D6%BC%D6%B7%D7%99%D6%BC%D6%B8%D7%9D%2C%20%D7%95%D6%B0%D7%90%D6%B7%D7%AA%D6%BC%D6%B6%D7%9D%20%D7%90%D7%95%D6%B9%D7%9E%D6%B0%D7%A8%D6%B4%D7%99%D7%9D%20%D7%A9%D7%81%D6%B4%D7%99%D7%A8%D6%B8%D7%94%3F">Source (Hebrew; Megillah)</a>). Other translations: <br><br>

<blockquote>The angels of heaven wanted to sing the usual song, and the Holy One, blessed be He, said to them: My creatures are drowning in the sea, and you want to sing songs!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/the-babylonian-talmud-all-20-volumes-ill-michael-rodkinson/page/n1819/mode/2up?q=%22creatures+are+drowning%22">Rodkinson / Wise</a> (1896); Megillah 10b]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>At that time the angels wanted to sing their song before the Holy One, blessed be He, but He said to them: my creatures are sinking into the sea, and ye want to sing."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/the-babylonian-talmud-all-20-volumes-ill-michael-rodkinson/page/n3585/mode/2up?q=%22wanted+to+sing+their+song%22">Rodkinson / Wise</a> (1896); Sanhedrin 39b]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>When the Egyptian hosts were drowning in the Red Sea, the angels in heaven were about to break forth in songs of jubilation. But the Holy One, blessed be He, silenced them with the words: "My creatures are perishing, and ye are ready to sing!"<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bookofjewishthou00hertrich/page/210/mode/2up?q=%22and+ye+are+ready+to+sing%22">Hertz</a> (1921)]</blockquote><br> 

<blockquote>When the Egyptians were drowning in the Red Sea, the angels in Heaven were about to break forth in songs of jubiliation. God silenced them with the words, My creatures are perishing, and ye are ready to sing!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bwb_p8-bxm-104/page/n19/mode/2up?q=%22creatures+are+perishing%22">Hertz</a> (1935)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>When the Egyptians were drowning, the angels wished to sing. But God said, "My children are dying, and you would sing?"<br>
[comp. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bwb_S0-CUD-358/page/144/mode/2up?q=drowning">Newman</a> (1945); Megillah 10b]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The ministering angels sought to recite a song, [but] the Holy One, Blessed Be He said: The work of My hands is drowning in the sea, and you are reciting a song???<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.sefaria.org/Megillah.10b.26?lang=bi&with=all&lang2=en">Steinsaltz</a> (2010), Willam Davidson Talmud; Megillah 10b]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>At that time the ministering angels desired to recite a song before the Holy One, Blessed be He. The Holy One, Blessed be He, said to them: My handiwork, i.e., the Egyptians, are drowning in the sea, and you are reciting a song before Me? <br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.sefaria.org/Sanhedrin.39b.5?lang=bi">Steinsaltz</a> (2010), Willam Davidson Talmud; Sanhedrin 39b]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The ministering angels wanted to chant their hymns, but the Holy One, blessed be He, said, The work of my hands is being drowned in the sea, and shall you chant hymns?<br>
[<a href="https://archive.org/details/complete-babylonian-talmud-english#page=2717">Source</a>; Megillah 10b]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>In that hour the ministering angels wished to utter the song [of praise] before the Holy One, blessed be He, but He rebuked them, saying: My handiwork [the Egyptians] is drowning in the sea; would ye utter song before me!<br>
[<a href="https://archive.org/details/complete-babylonian-talmud-english#page=6746">Source</a>; Sanhedrin 39b]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The ministering angels wanted to sing their song, for the angels would sing songs to each other, as it states: “And they called out to each other and said”, but the Holy One, Blessed be He, said: The work of My hands, the Egyptians, are drowning at sea, and you wish to say songs? <br>
[<a href="https://www.chabad.org/torah-texts/5447930/Talmud/Megillah/Chapter-1/10b#:~:text=The%20ministering%20angels%20wanted%20to%20sing%20their%20song%2C%20for%20the%20angels%20would%20sing%20songs%20to%20each%20other%2C%20as%20it%20states%3A%20%E2%80%9CAnd%20they%20called%20out%20to%20each%20other%20and%20said%E2%80%9D%20(Isaiah%206%3A3)%2C%20but%20the%20Holy%20One%2C%20Blessed%20be%20He%2C%20said%3A%20The%20work%20of%20My%20hands%2C%20the%20Egyptians%2C%20are%20drowning%20at%20sea%2C%20and%20you%20wish%20to%20say%20songs%3F">Koren Talmud Bavli</a>; Megillah 10b]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>At that time the ministering angels desired to recite a song before the Holy One, Blessed be He. The Holy One, Blessed be He, said to them: My handiwork, i.e., the Egyptians, are drowning in the sea, and you are reciting a song before Me?<br>
[<a href="https://www.chabad.org/torah-texts/5458128/Talmud/Sanhedrin/Chapter-4/39b#:~:text=At%20that%20time%20the%20ministering%20angels%20desired%20to%20recite%20a%20song%20before%20the%20Holy%20One%2C%20Blessed%20be%20He.%20The%20Holy%20One%2C%20Blessed%20be%20He%2C%20said%20to%20them%3A%20My%20handiwork%2C%20i.e.%2C%20the%20Egyptians%2C%20are%20drowning%20in%20the%20sea%2C%20and%20you%20are%20reciting%20a%20song%20before%20Me%3F">Koren Talmud Bavli</a>; Sanhedrin 39b]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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