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		<title>Ingersoll, Robert Green -- Lecture (1884-01-20), &#8220;Orthodoxy,&#8221; Tabor Opera House, Denver, Colorado</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The doctrine of eternal pain is my trouble with this Christian religion. I reject it on account of its infinite heartlessness. Published as its own book in 1884. See Dante (1309).]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The doctrine of eternal pain is my trouble with this Christian religion. I reject it on account of its infinite heartlessness. </p>
<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833-1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>Lecture (1884-01-20), &#8220;Orthodoxy,&#8221; Tabor Opera House, Denver, Colorado 
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<a href="https://archive.org/details/orthodoxylecture00inge/page/48/mode/2up?q=%22eternal+pain+is+my%22">Published as its own book</a> in 1884. See <a href="https://wist.info/dante-alighieri-poet/56759/">Dante</a> (1309).
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		<description><![CDATA[We are told &#8220;God so loved the world&#8221; that he is going to damn almost everybody. If this orthodox religion be true, some of the greatest, and grandest, and best who ever lived are suffering God&#8217;s torments to-night. It does not appear to make much difference with the members of the church. They go right [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are told &#8220;God so loved the world&#8221; that he is going to damn almost everybody. If this orthodox religion be true, some of the greatest, and grandest, and best who ever lived are suffering God&#8217;s torments to-night. It does not appear to make much difference with the members of the church. They go right on enjoying themselves about as well as ever. If this doctrine is true, Benjamin Franklin, one of the wisest and best of men, who did so much to give us here a free government, is suffering the tyranny of God to-night, although he endeavored to establish freedom among men. If the churches were honest, their preachers would tell their hearers: &#8220;Benjamin Franklin is in hell, and we warn all the youth not to imitate Benjamin Franklin. Thomas Jefferson, author of the Declaration of Independence, with its self-evident truths, has been damned these many years.&#8221;</p>
<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833-1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>Lecture (1884-01-20), &#8220;Orthodoxy,&#8221; Tabor Opera House, Denver, Colorado 
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<a href="https://archive.org/details/orthodoxylecture00inge/page/44/mode/2up?q=%22damn+almost+everybody%22">Published as its own book</a> in 1884.

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		<description><![CDATA[In this world we never will be perfectly civilized as long as a gallows casts its shadow upon the earth. As long as there is a penitentiary, within the walls of which a human being is immured, we are not a perfectly civilized people. We shall never be perfectly civilized until we do away with [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this world we never will be perfectly civilized as long as a gallows casts its shadow upon the earth. As long as there is a penitentiary, within the walls of which a human being is immured, we are not a perfectly civilized people. We shall never be perfectly civilized until we do away with crime.<br />
<span class="tab">And yet, according to this Christian religion, God is to have an eternal penitentiary; he is to be an everlasting jailer, an everlasting turnkey, a warden of an infinite dungeon, and he is going to keep prisoners there forever, not for the purpose of reforming them &#8212; because they are never going to get any better, only worse &#8212; but for the purpose of purposeless punishment. And for what? For something they failed to believe in this world. Born in ignorance, supported by poverty, caught in the snares of temptation, deformed by toil, stupefied by want &#8212; and yet held responsible through the countless ages of eternity! No man can think of a greater horror; no man can dream of a greater absurdity.</span></p>
<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833-1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>Lecture (1884-01-20), &#8220;Orthodoxy,&#8221; Tabor Opera House, Denver, Colorado 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://gutenberg.org/cache/epub/38813/pg38813-images.html#Blink0004:~:text=In%20this%20world%20we%20never%20will%20be%20perfectly%20civilized" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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<a href="https://archive.org/details/orthodoxylecture00inge/page/44/mode/2up?q=%22perfectly+civilized%22">Published as its own book</a> in 1884.						</span>
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		<title>Ingersoll, Robert Green -- Lecture (1872-01-29), &#8220;The Gods,&#8221; Fairbury Hall, Fairbury, Illinois</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Strange! that no one has ever been persecuted by the church for believing God bad, while hundreds of millions have been destroyed for thinking him good. The orthodox church never will forgive the Universalist for saying &#8220;God is love.&#8221; It has always been considered as one of the very highest evidences of true and undefiled [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strange! that no one has ever been persecuted by the church for believing God bad, while hundreds of millions have been destroyed for thinking him good. The orthodox church never will forgive the Universalist for saying &#8220;God is love.&#8221; It has always been considered as one of the very highest evidences of true and undefiled religion to insist that all men, women and children deserve eternal damnation. It has always been heresy to say, &#8220;God will at last save all.&#8221;</p>
<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833-1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>Lecture (1872-01-29), &#8220;The Gods,&#8221; Fairbury Hall, Fairbury, Illinois 
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First given on the 135th birthday of Thomas Paine. <a href="https://archive.org/details/godsotherlectu00inge/page/14/mode/2up?q=%22strange+that+no+one%22">Collected</a> in <i>The Gods and Other Lectures</i> (1876).						</span>
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		<title>Ingersoll, Robert Green -- Lecture (1874-05-03), &#8220;Heretics and Heresies,&#8221; Free Religious Society, Kingsbury Hall, Chicago</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who can estimate the misery that has been caused by this most infamous doctrine of eternal punishment? Think of the lives it has blighted &#8212; of the tears it has caused &#8212; of the agony it has produced. Think of the millions who have been driven to insanity by this most terrible of dogmas. This [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who can estimate the misery that has been caused by this most infamous doctrine of eternal punishment? Think of the lives it has blighted &#8212; of the tears it has caused &#8212; of the agony it has produced. Think of the millions who have been driven to insanity by this most terrible of dogmas. This doctrine renders God the basest and most cruel being in the universe. Compared with him, the most frightful deities of the most barbarous and degraded tribes are miracles of goodness and mercy. There is nothing more degrading than to worship such a god. Lower than this the soul can never sink. If the doctrine of eternal damnation is true, let me share the fate of the unconverted; let me have my portion in hell, rather than in heaven with a god infamous enough to inflict eternal misery upon any of the sons of men.</p>
<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833-1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>Lecture (1874-05-03), &#8220;Heretics and Heresies,&#8221; Free Religious Society, Kingsbury Hall, Chicago 
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Collected in <i>The Gods and Other Lectures</i> (1876).



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