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		<title>Billings, Josh -- Josh Billings&#8217; Farmer&#8217;s Allminax, 1872-07 (1872 ed.)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Convince a phool ov hiz errors, and you make him yure enemy.</p>
<p>[Convince a fool of his errors, and you make him your enemy.]</p>
<br><b>Josh Billings</b> (1818-1885) American humorist, aphorist [pseud. of Henry Wheeler Shaw]<br><i>Josh Billings&#8217; Farmer&#8217;s Allminax</i>, 1872-07 (1872 ed.) 
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		<title>Hoover, Herbert -- Memoirs: Years of Adventure, 1874–1920, ch. 11 &#8220;The Profession of Engineering&#8221; (1952)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The great liability of the engineer compared to men of other professions is that his works are out in the open where all can see them. His acts, step by step, are in hard substance. He cannot bury his mistakes in the grave like the doctors. He cannot argue them into thin air or blame [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The great liability of the engineer compared to men of other professions is that his works are out in the open where all can see them. His acts, step by step, are in hard substance. He cannot bury his mistakes in the grave like the doctors. He cannot argue them into thin air or blame the judge like the lawyers. He cannot, like the architects, cover his failures with trees and vines. He cannot, like the politicians, screen his shortcomings by blaming his opponents and hope that the people will forget. The engineer simply cannot deny that he did it. If his works do not work, he is damned. </p>
<br><b>Herbert Hoover</b> (1874-1964) American engineer, bureaucrat, US President (1929-33)<br><i>Memoirs: Years of Adventure, 1874–1920</i>, ch. 11 &#8220;The Profession of Engineering&#8221; (1952) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/memoirsofherbert0000herb/page/132/mode/2up?q=%22great+liability%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
										<br><br><span class="cite">
						

While treating this as the definitive version of this litany, a number of variations can be found in Hoover's writing and speaking prior to this.  The earliest is same text is found in his essay (1916), "<a href="https://archive.org/details/addressesuponame0000unse/page/210/mode/2up?q=%22great+liability%22">Engineering as a Profession</a>" (<a href="https://archive.org/details/addressesuponame0000unse/page/209/mode/1up">reprinted</a> as a 1954 article in <i>Engineer's Week).</i>  Some of the other variants follow.<br><br>

Speech (1950-02-09), "<a href="https://archive.org/details/addressesuponame0000unse_p9o8/page/186/mode/2up?q=%22certain+disadvantages%22">Engineering Society of the Moles</a>," New York City:<br><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">The engineer has certain disadvantages compared to the other professions. His works are out in the open where all men can see them. He cannot deny he did it. The doctors’ mistakes are buried in the grave. The voters forget when the politician changes the alphabetical names of his failing projects. The trees and ivy may cover the architects’ failures. The lawyers can blame the Judge or the Jury. Unlike the clergyman, the engineer cannot blame his failures on the devil.<br>
<span class="tab">Moreover, if his works do not work, he is damned.</blockquote><br>

Speech (1951-11-07), "<a href="https://archive.org/details/addressesuponame0000unse/page/184/mode/2up?q=%22work+is+out+in+the+open%22">Engineers</a>," Columbia University Engineering Campaign Center, New York City: <br><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">The engineer’s work is out in the open where all men can see it. If he makes a mistake, he cannot, like the doctor, bury it in a grave. He cannot, like the architect, obscure it by trees and ivy. He cannot, like the lawyer, blame it on the judge or jury. He cannot, like the politician, claim his constituents demanded it. Nor can he, like the public official, change the name of it and hope the voters will forget. Unlike the clergyman, he cannot blame it on the devil. 
<span class="tab">Worse still, if his works do not work, he is damned.</blockquote><br>

For more discussion of possible precursors of this quotation, see: <a href="https://quoteinvestigator.com/2011/05/03/architect-vines/#f1ac9f1d-1878-4707-a44a-7e5f624a23e6-link" title="Quote Origin: The Architect Can Only Advise His Client to Plant Vines – Quote Investigator®">Quote Origin: The Architect Can Only Advise His Client to Plant Vines – Quote Investigator®</a>. (To which end, see also <a href="/wright-frank-lloyd/19115/">Frank Lloyd Wright</a> (1930).)

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		<title>Dante Alighieri -- The Divine Comedy [Divina Commedia], Book 2 &#8220;Purgatorio,&#8221; Canto 23, l.  97ff (23.97-108) (1314) [tr. Ciardi (1961)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[O my dear brother, what is there to say? In vision I already see a time &#8212; and it is not far distant from this day &#8212; in which the pulpit shall denounce by writ the shameless jades that Florentines call ladies, who go about with breasts bare to the tit. What Moslem woman ever [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O my dear brother, what is there to say?<br />
<span class="tab">In vision I already see a time &#8212;<br />
<span class="tab">and it is not far distant from this day &#8212;<br />
in which the pulpit shall denounce by writ<br />
<span class="tab">the shameless jades that Florentines call ladies,<br />
<span class="tab">who go about with breasts bare to the tit.<br />
What Moslem woman ever has required<br />
<span class="tab">a priestly discipline, or any other,<br />
<span class="tab">before she would go decently attired?<br />
But if the chippies only could foresee<br />
<span class="tab">swift Heaven&#8217;s punishment, they&#8217;d have their mouths<br />
<span class="tab">already open to howl misery.</p>
<p><em>[O dolce frate, che vuo’ tu ch’io dica?<br />
<span class="tab">Tempo futuro m’è già nel cospetto,<br />
<span class="tab">cui non sarà quest’ora molto antica,<br />
nel qual sarà in pergamo interdetto<br />
<span class="tab">a le sfacciate donne fiorentine<br />
<span class="tab">l’andar mostrando con le poppe il petto.<br />
Quai barbare fuor mai, quai saracine,<br />
<span class="tab">cui bisognasse, per farle ir coperte,<br />
<span class="tab">o spiritali o altre discipline?<br />
Ma se le svergognate fosser certe<br />
<span class="tab">di quel che ’l ciel veloce loro ammanna,<br />
<span class="tab">già per urlare avrian le bocche aperte.]</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></em></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<br><b>Dante Alighieri</b> (1265-1321) Italian poet<br><i>The Divine Comedy [Divina Commedia]</i>, Book 2 <i>&#8220;Purgatorio,&#8221;</i> Canto 23, l.  97ff (23.97-108) (1314) [tr. Ciardi (1961)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/purgatorio00dant/page/236/mode/2up?view=theater&q=%22o+my+dear+brother%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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Forese Donati speaking to Dante, anticipating the "future" (already-past) travails of Florence in the early 1300s, apparently brought about (in part) by the city's shameless women being scantily clad (though no such church edict survives in the record).<br><br

(<a href="https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Divina_Commedia/Purgatorio/Canto_XXIII#:~:text=O%20dolce%20frate,le%20bocche%20aperte">Source (Italian)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">O, Brother! shall I tell, or hide my thought? <br>
The horrible display that Fancy views, <br>
Which soon the pregnant moments will produce,<br>
<span class="tab">And Impudence and Pride's disgraceful lot.<br>
<span class="tab">Soon a stern Voice will teach the shameless kind<br>
A decent covering, as they may, to find,<br>
<span class="tab">Their naked shoulders from the Sun to hide!<br>
Was it amongst Barbarians ever known,<br>
That nought but threats can bind the modest Zone,<br>
<span class="tab">On the young virgin and the plighted Bride?<br>
<span class="tab">But if these dainty Dames could read the Skies,<br>
And spy the slumb'ring tempest soon to rise,<br>
<span class="tab">Those lips that whisper Love, would shriek Despair.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinacommediad00unkngoog/page/n292/mode/2up?q=%22hide+my+thought%3F%22&view=theater">Boyd</a> (1802), st. 19-21] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">O sweet brother!<br>
What wouldst thou have me say? A time to come<br>
<span class="tab">Stands full within my view, to which this hour<br>
<span class="tab">Shall not be counted of an ancient date,<br>
When from the pulpit shall be loudly warn’d<br>
<span class="tab">Th’ unblushing dames of Florence, lest they bare<br>
<span class="tab">Unkerchief’d bosoms to the common gaze.<br>
What savage women hath the world e’er seen,<br>
<span class="tab">What Saracens, for whom there needed scourge<br>
<span class="tab">Of spiritual or other discipline,<br>
<span class="tab">To force them walk with cov’ring on their limbs!<br>
But did they see, the shameless ones, that Heav’n<br>
<span class="tab">Wafts on swift wing toward them, while I speak,<br>
<span class="tab">Their mouths were op’d for howling.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/8795/8795-h/8795-h.htm#cantoII.23:~:text=O%20sweet%20brother,op%E2%80%99d%20for%20howling">Cary</a> (1814)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Oh dear brother! what shall I say to thee?<br>
<span class="tab">A future time now within my view,<br>
<span class="tab">To which the present hour will be but new,<br>
When interdict will issue from the chair<br>
<span class="tab">To Florence ladies of effrontery,<br>
<span class="tab">With naked bosoms, where the pays you spy.<br>
Barbarians and Saracens were there e'er<br>
<span class="tab">Forced to go covered, and their right mind in,<br>
<span class="tab">By spiritual or other discipline?<br>
Their future lot could but the shameless see,<br>
<span class="tab">What the swift Heaven is bringing on its wing,<br>
<span class="tab">To howl their mouths would soon be opening.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/comedyofdanteal00dant/page/268/mode/2up?q=%22oh+dear+brother%22">Bannerman</a> (1850)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O brother sweet, what wilt thou have me say?<br>
<span class="tab">A future time is in my sight already,<br>
<span class="tab">To which this hour will not be very old,<br>
When from the pulpit shall be interdicted<br>
<span class="tab">To the unblushing womankind of Florence<br>
<span class="tab">To go about displaying breast and paps.<br>
What savages were e'er, what Saracens,<br>
<span class="tab">Who stood in need, to make them covered go,<br>
<span class="tab">Of spiritual or other discipline?<br>
But if the shameless women were assured<br>
<span class="tab">Of what swift Heaven prepares for them, already<br>
<span class="tab">Wide open would they have their mouths to howl.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Divine_Comedy_(Longfellow_1867)/Volume_2/Canto_23#:~:text=O%20brother%20sweet,mouths%20to%20howl%3B">Longfellow</a> (1867)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O brother dear, what wouldst have further told?<br>
<span class="tab">A future time already do I see,<br>
<span class="tab">In which the present day will not be old. <br>
When in the Church they'll publish a decree<br>
<span class="tab">Against the insolent lady Florentines,<br>
<span class="tab">Not to expose their breasts for all to see. <br>
When were Barbarians seen or Saracens,<br>
<span class="tab">To whom was needed clothing to enforce.<br>
<span class="tab">Or spiritual, or other disciplines?<br>
But if the shameless ones could see the course<br>
<span class="tab">Which Heaven prepareth for them speedily.<br>
<span class="tab">Now would begin their howlings of remorse.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedyofda00dantrich/page/220/mode/2up?q=%22O+brother+dear%2C%22">Minchin</a> (1885)]  </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O sweet brother, what wouldst thou that I say? A future time is already in my sight, to which this hour will not be very old, in which from the pulpit it shall be forbidden to the brazen-faced dames of Florence to go displaying the bosom with the paps. What Barbarian, what Saracen women were there ever who required either spiritual or other discipline to make them go covered? But if the shameless ones were aware of that which the swift heaven is preparing for them, already would they have their mouths open for howling.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1996/1996-h/1996-h.htm#cantoII.XXIII:~:text=O%20sweet%20brother,open%20for%20howling.">Norton</a> (1892)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">O sweet brother, what would st thou have me say? Already in my vision is a time to come to which this hour shall not be very old,<br>
<span class="tab">when the brazen-faced women of Florence shall be forbidden from the pulpit to go abroad showing their breasts with the paps.<br>
<span class="tab">What Barbary, what Saracen women ever lived, to whom either spiritual, or other discipline were necessary, to make them go covered?<br>
<span class="tab">But if the shameless creatures were assured of what swift heaven is preparing for them, already would they have their mouths open to howl.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/purgatorioofdant00dant_0/page/290/mode/2up?q=%22O+sweet+brother%22">Okey</a> (1901)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O sweet brother, what wilt thou have me say? A coming time is already before my eyes to which this hour will not be very old when from the pulpit it shall be forbidden to the brazen women of Florence to go showing the breast with the paps. What barbarous women, what Saracens, ever were there that needed, to make them go covered, spiritual disciplines or any other? But had the shameless creatures knowledge of what the swift heavens prepare for them, they would have their mouths open already for howling.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/iipurgatoriowith00dant/page/300/mode/2up?q=%22o+sweet+brother%22">Sinclair</a> (1939)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O sweet brother, what would'st thou have me say? <br>
<span class="tab">A time to come already I see indeed, <br>
<span class="tab">Wherefrom this hour shall not be far away.<br>
In which from pulpit shall it be forbid<br>
<span class="tab">To the unashamed women of Florence then<br>
<span class="tab">To go showing the breast with paps not hid.<br>
What woman of Barbary, what Saracen,<br>
<span class="tab">did ever need, to make her go covered, <br>
<span class="tab">Spiritual or other regimen?<br>
But if the unabashed ones were assured<br>
<span class="tab">Of what swift heaven prepares for them on high<br>
<span class="tab">Their mouths would open and their howls be heard.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/portabledante00dant/page/308/mode/2up?q=%22o+sweet+brother%22">Binyon</a> (1943)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Brother of mine, what wilt thou have me say?<br>
<span class="tab">This hour shall not be very old perhaps<br>
<span class="tab">Ere time shall bring what I foresee to-day:<br>
A pulpit interdict, no less, which claps<br>
<span class="tab">Down on our brazen jades of Florentines<br>
<span class="tab">Flaunting unveiled the bosom and the paps.<br>
What female Turk or Berber e'er showed signs<br>
<span class="tab">Of needing to be covered up by force<br>
<span class="tab">Of spiritual or other disciplines?<br>
But could these wantons know what Heaven's swift course<br>
<span class="tab">Prepares for them, they'd have their mouths ajar<br>
<span class="tab">Already, fit to bellow themselves hoarse.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedy0002unse/page/248/mode/2up?q=%22brother+of+mine%22">Sayers</a> (1955)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O sweet brother, what would you have me say? Already in my vision is a future time, to which this hour shall not be very old, when the brazen-faced women of Florence shall be forbidden from the pulpit to go displaying their breasts with the papas. What Barbarian, what Saracen women were there ever, who required either spiritual or other discipline to make them go covered? But if the shameless creatures were assured of what swift heaven is preparing for them, already would they have their mouths open to howl.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Divine_Comedy_II_Purgatorio_Vol_II_P/2Q48EAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22o%20sweet%20brother%22">Singleton</a> (1973)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>My dear brother, how can I tell you this:<br>
<span class="tab">I see a future time -- it won't be long --<br>
<span class="tab">in which bans from the pulpit shall clamp down<br>
on those ladies of Florence who, bold-faced,<br>
<span class="tab">now walk our city streets as they parade<br>
<span class="tab">their bosom to the tits! What barbarous girl,<br>
what female Saracen, had to be taught<br>
<span class="tab">spiritual discipline, or anything,<br>
<span class="tab">to keep her body decently concealed?<br>
But if these shameless creatures only knew<br>
<span class="tab">what the swift heavens have in store for them,<br>
<span class="tab">they would by now be screaming their heads off!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/dantealighierisd03dant/page/228/mode/2up?q=%22my+dear+brother%22&view=theater">Musa</a> (1981)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O gentle brother, what do you want me to say? <br>
<span class="tab">Already I can see a time ahead, <br>
<span class="tab">Before the present hour is very old,<br>
In which the impudent women of Florence <br>
<span class="tab">Will be preached against from the pulpit because <br>
<span class="tab">They go about showing their breasts to the nipples.<br>
What women of Barbary, what Saracens <br>
<span class="tab">Ever needed, to make them go covered, <br>
<span class="tab">Either spiritual or other discipline?<br>
But if the shameless creatures were assured <br>
<span class="tab">Of what swift heaven is getting ready for them, <br>
<span class="tab">They would have their mouths open already, to howl.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedy0000dant/page/300/mode/2up?q=%22o+gentle+brother%22">Sisson</a> (1981)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">O <br>
sweet brother, what would you have had me say? <br>
<span class="tab">A future time’s already visible <br>
<span class="tab">to me -- a time not too far-off from now -- <br>
when, from the pulpit, it shall be forbidden <br>
<span class="tab">to those immodest ones -- Florentine women -- <br>
<span class="tab">to go displaying bosoms with bare paps. <br>
What ordinances -- spiritual, civil -- <br>
<span class="tab">were ever needed by barbarian or <br>
<span class="tab">Saracen women to make them go covered? <br>
But if those shameless ones had certain knowledge <br>
<span class="tab">of what swift Heaven’s readying for them, <br>
<span class="tab">then they would have mouths open now to howl.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/purgatorio0000dant_m5q7/page/204/mode/2up?q=barbagia">Mandelbaum</a> (1982)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">O sweet brother, what would you have me say? Already I foresee a time to come, to which this time will not be too distant, when, from the pulpits, the brazen women of Florence will be forbidden to go round displaying their breasts and nipples.<br>
<span class="tab">When was there ever a Saracen woman, or woman of Barbary, who needed disciplining spiritually or otherwise, to force her to cover herself? But the shameless creatures would already have their mouths open to howl.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Italian/DantPurg22to28.php#:~:text=O%20sweet%20brother,open%20to%20howl%2C">Kline</a> (2002)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">O dear brother, what can I say? A future time is already in my sight when this hour will not seem very ancient,
when from the pulpit it will be forbidden to the brazen Florentine women to walk about showing their chests with their breasts.<br>
<span class="tab">What barbarian women, what Saracens ever needed either spiritual or other penalties to make them go covered up?<br>
<span class="tab">But if those shameless ones knew what the swift heavens are preparing for them, they would already have opened their mouths to howl.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedyofda0002dant_d4k9/page/386/mode/2up?q=%22o+dear+brother%22">Durling</a> (2003)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>What, dearest brother, would you have me say? <br>
<span class="tab">A future time, already in my sight, <br>
<span class="tab">will come (when our time’s still not history),<br>
when, from the pulpit, there’ll be issued bans <br>
<span class="tab">forbidding bare-faced Florence girls to go <br>
<span class="tab">with blatant breasts and both their boobs on show.<br>
What mere barbarians or Saracens <br>
<span class="tab">required a priest or threat of on-spot fines <br>
<span class="tab">to make them cover up when they go out!<br>
If, though, these brazen creatures only guessed <br>
<span class="tab">what Heaven so swiftly will bring down on them, <br>
<span class="tab">then they’d already howl with open mouths.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedy2pur0000dant/page/216/mode/2up?q=%22what+dearest+brother%22">Kirkpatrick</a> (2007)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O sweet brother, what would you have me say?<br>
<span class="tab">In my vision even now I see a time,<br>
<span class="tab">before this hour shall be very old,<br>
when from the pulpit it shall be forbidden<br>
<span class="tab">for the brazen ladies of Florence<br>
<span class="tab">to flaunt their nipples with their breasts.<br>
What barbarous women, what Saracens,<br>
<span class="tab">have ever needed spiritual instruction<br>
<span class="tab">or other rules, to walk about in proper dress?<br>
But if these shameless creatures knew<br>
<span class="tab">what the swift heavens are preparing, even now<br>
<span class="tab">their mouths would be spread open in a howl.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://dante.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/dante/campuscgi/mpb/GetCantoSection.pl?INP_POEM=Purg&INP_SECT=23&INP_START=97&INP_LEN=12&LANG=0">Hollander/Hollander</a> (2007)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O, my sweet brother, what can you ask me to say?<br>
<span class="tab">Looking into the future, I already see --<br>
<span class="tab">And the hour will not be long in coming, I believe --<br>
When priests in our pulpits will forbid Florence's lewd<br>
<span class="tab">And insolent women from going about the streets,<br>
<span class="tab">Their breasts bare well below the nipples.<br>
Were there ever barbarian women, or Turks,<br>
<span class="tab">Who needed heavy discipline -- by priests<br>
<span class="tab">Or by law -- to keep them decently covered? But such<br>
Disgraceful creatures, should they realize <br>
<span class="tab">For sure what quick-handed Heaven has ready for them,<br>
<span class="tab">They'd now be ready to open their mouths and howl!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Divine_Comedy/WZyBj-s9PfsC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22my%20sweet%20brother%22">Raffel</a> (2010)] </blockquote><br>
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		<title>Serling, Rod -- Letter to Playboy Magazine (Jun 1966)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a breed of lay and social scientist who will forever cling to a concept of “defeating by ignoring.” Hence, when out of the muck of their own neuroses rise these self-proclaimed Fuhrers, there is this well-meaning body who tell us that if we turn both eyes and cheeks, the nutsies will disappear simply by lack of exposure. </p>
<p>My guess is that, in this case, exposure is tantamount to education; and education here, is a most salutary instruction into the mentalities, the motives and the modus operandi of an animal pack that is discounted by the aged maxim that “it can’t happen here.” So might have said the Goethes and the Einsteins of a pre-war Germany, who thought then, as we do now, that civilization by itself protects against a public acceptance of the uncivilized. </p>
<p>What is desperately needed to combat any ism is precisely what “Playboy” has given us &#8212; an interview in-depth that shows us the facets of the enemy. Yes, gentlemen, you may be knocked for supposedly lending some kind of credence to a brand of lunacy. But my guess is that you should be given a commendation for a public service of infinite value.</p>
<br><b>Rod Serling</b> (1924-1975) American screenwriter, playwright, television producer, narrator <br>Letter to <i>Playboy</i> Magazine (Jun 1966) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/As_I_Knew_Him/N0ohjAK5jwYC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22breed%20of%20lay%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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Addressing criticism of the magazine for running in April 1966 an <a href="https://alexhaley.com/2019/09/10/alex-haley-interviews-george-lincoln-rockwell/">Alex Haley interview of American Nazi Party founder George Lincoln Rockwell</a>. Quoted in Anne Serling, <i>As I Knew Him: My Dad, Rod Serling</i> (2013).

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		<title>Wilson, Woodrow -- Speech, Institute of France, Paris (10 May 1919)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have always been among those who believed that the greatest freedom of speech was the greatest safety, because if a man is a fool, the best thing to do is to encourage him to advertise the fact by speaking. It cannot be so easily discovered if you allow him to remain silent and look [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have always been among those who believed that the greatest freedom of speech was the greatest safety, because if a man is a fool, the best thing to do is to encourage him to advertise the fact by speaking. It cannot be so easily discovered if you allow him to remain silent and look wise, but if you let him speak, the secret is out, and the world knows that he is a fool. So it is by the exposure of folly that it is defeated, not by the seclusion of folly, and, in this free air of free speech, men get into that sort of communication with one another which constitutes the basis of all common achievement.</p>
<br><b>Woodrow Wilson</b> (1856-1924) US President (1913-20), educator, political scientist<br>Speech, Institute of France, Paris (10 May 1919) 
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		<title>Lincoln, Abraham -- Interview (1859-09-17?) with David R. Locke, Columbus, Ohio</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Slavery is doomed, and that within a few years. Even Judge Douglas admits it to be an evil, and an evil can’t stand discussion. In discussing it we have taught a great many thousands of people to hate it who had never given it a thought before. What kills the skunk is the publicity it [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slavery is doomed, and that within a few years. Even Judge Douglas admits it to be an evil, and an evil can’t stand discussion. In discussing it we have taught a great many thousands of people to hate it who had never given it a thought before. What kills the skunk is the publicity it gives itself. What a skunk wants to do is to keep snug under the barn in daytime, when men are around with shotguns.</p>
<br><b>Abraham Lincoln</b> (1809-1865) American lawyer, politician, US President (1861-65)<br>Interview (1859-09-17?) with David R. Locke, Columbus, Ohio 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Reminiscences_of_Abraham_Lincoln_by_Dist/HG8_AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22what%20kills%20the%20skunk%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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After his <a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/l/lincoln/lincoln3/1:137?rgn=div1;sort=occur;subview=detail;type=simple;view=fulltext;q1=columbus">speech in Columbus (1859-09-16)</a>, discussing the effect of drawing attention to the problem of slavery through his speech-making. Recounted by Locke in A. T. Rice (ed.), <em>Reminiscences of Abraham Lincoln by Distinguished Men of His Time</em>, ch. 25 (1883).
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		<description><![CDATA[I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today. Widely attributed to Rogers, but I was unable to find it in any published primary source. That&#8217;s because it appears to have been said by a different Will Rogers. In The Pathfinder, &#8220;Art of Wisecracking Takes on [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today.</p>
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<br><b>Will Rogers</b> (1879-1935) American humorist<br>(Misattributed) 
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Widely attributed to Rogers, but I was unable to find it in any published primary source. That's because it appears to have been said by a different Will Rogers.<br><br>

In <i>The Pathfinder</i>, "Art of Wisecracking Takes on New Significance," Issue 1866 (1929-10-05), the results of "<a href="https://archive.org/details/sim_town-journal_1929-10-05_36_1866/page/n1/mode/2up?q=%22never+expected+to+live%22">Wisecrack Contest</a>" among the weekly periodical's readers provides the following second place winner (earning it $10).<br><br>

<blockquote>Grandpa Wayback rises to remark: “I never expected to live to see the day when the girls would get sunburned on the places they do now.” Won by Will B. Rogers, Atlanta, Ga</blockquote><br>

That is <em>not</em> the famous Oklahoman humorist (William Penn Adair Rogers), though the latter is mentioned (along with Ring Lardner) in the text of the story as a famous wisecracker.<br><br>

This appears to be the origin of the quotation, and an explanation as to why it was quickly associated with the more famous figure by that name, an association that occurred very quickly when the Rogers from Georgia was forgotten.<br><br>

Variants (mostly attributed to Rogers):<br><br>

<blockquote>I never expected to see the day when the girls would get sunburned in the places they do now.<br>
[Albert Shaw, ed., <i><a href="<i>Review of Revews</i>, "Men, Women, and Books" (1935-02)">Review of Reviews</a></i> (1935-02)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do.<br>
[P.G. Wodehouse & Guy Bolton, <em><a href="https://archive.org/details/bringongirlsimpr0000wode/page/138/mode/2up?q=sunburned">Bring on the Girls: The Improbable Story of Our Life in Musical Comedy</a></em> (1953)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Few men expected to see the day when women would get sunburned in the places they do now.<br>
[Louis T. Stanley, <i><a href="https://archive.org/details/londonseason012076mbp/page/n155/mode/2up?q=%22sunburned+in+the+places+they+do%22">The London Season</a></i>, "Feminine Wiles" (1956), used without attribution to Rogers]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I never expected to see the day when the girls would get sunburned in the places they do now.<br>
[John Birch Society, <i><a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/American_Opinion/oFkfAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22sunburned+in+the+places+they+do%22&dq=%22sunburned+in+the+places+they+do%22&printsec=frontcover">American Opinion</a></i>, Vol. 4 (1961)]</blockquote><br>
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		<title>Porter, Cole -- &#8220;Anything Goes&#8221; (1934)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In olden days, a glimpse of stocking<br />
Was looked on as something shocking,<br />
But now, God knows,<br />
Anything goes.</p>
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<br><b>Cole Porter</b> (1891-1964) American composer and songwriter<br>&#8220;Anything Goes&#8221; (1934) 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I expose slavery in this country, because to expose it is to kill it. Slavery is one of the monsters of darkness to whom the light of truth is death.</p>
<br><b>Frederick Douglass</b> (1817-1895) American abolitionist, orator, writer<br>Speech, Moorfields, England (22 May 1846) 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First Shakespeare sonnets seem meaningless; first Bach fugues, a bore; first differential equations, sheer torture. But training changes the nature of our spiritual experiences. In due course, contact with an obscurely beautiful poem, an elaborate piece of counterpoint or of mathematical reasoning, causes us to feel direct intuitions of beauty and significance. It is the same in the moral world.</p>
<br><b>Aldous Huxley</b> (1894-1963) English novelist, essayist and critic<br><i>Ends and Means</i> (1937) 
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		<title>Millay, Edna St. Vincent -- Letter (1927-05-25) to Cora B. Millay</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A person who publishes a book wilfully appears before the populace with his pants down. Letter to her mother trying to calm Cora&#8217;s nerves about sister Kathleen&#8217;s impending first book of poetry. The letter is collected in Letters of Edna St. Vincent Millay (1952) [ed. Allan Ross MacDougall]. This passage is almost universally misquoted as [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<br><b>Edna St. Vincent Millay</b> (1892-1950) American poet<br>Letter (1927-05-25) to Cora B. Millay 
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Letter to her mother trying to calm Cora's nerves about sister Kathleen's impending first book of poetry. The letter is collected in <i>Letters of Edna St. Vincent Millay</i> (1952) [ed. Allan Ross MacDougall].<br><br> 

This passage is almost universally misquoted as "A person who publishes a book wilfully appears before the <em>public</em> with his pants down" (italics mine).<br><br>

Another variant appears <a href="https://archive.org/details/strangerthanfict0000dill/page/46/mode/2up?q=%22public+with+his+pants+down%22">here</a>. It shortens the first sentence, and then pulls in (and re-genders) two sentences from later in the letter:<br><br>

<blockquote>A writer appears before the public with his pants down. If it is a good book, nothing can hurt him. If it is a bad book, nothing can help him.</blockquote><br>









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