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		<title>Euripides -- Helen [Ἑλένη], l. 1137ff, Stasimon 1, Strophe 2 (412 BC) [tr. Warner (1951)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[CHORUS: Who among men, though he search to the uttermost end, can claim to have found what is meant by god or the absence of god or of something between? For he sees the works of the gods turning now here and now there, now backwards again through a fate beyond calculation or forethought. [ΧΟΡΟΣ: [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">CHORUS: Who among men, though he search to the uttermost end,<br />
can claim to have found what is meant<br />
by god or the absence of god or of something between?<br />
For he sees the works of the gods<br />
turning now here and now there,<br />
now backwards again through a fate<br />
beyond calculation or forethought.</p>
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<p class="hangingindent">[ΧΟΡΟΣ: ὅ τι θεὸς ἢ μὴ θεὸς ἢ τὸ μέσον,<br />
τίς φησ᾽ ἐρευνήσας βροτῶν<br />
μακρότατον πέρας εὑρεῖν<br />
ὃς τὰ θεῶν ἐσορᾷ<br />
δεῦρο καὶ αὖθις ἐκεῖσε<br />
καὶ πάλιν ἀντιλόγοις<br />
πηδῶντ᾽ ἀνελπίστοις τύχαις;]</p>
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<br><b>Euripides</b> (485?-406? BC) Greek tragic dramatist<br><i>Helen [Ἑλένη]</i>, l. 1137ff, Stasimon 1, Strophe 2 (412 BC) [tr. Warner (1951)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015014494374&seq=72&q1=%22turning+now+here%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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On Hera fooling Menelaus with an illusion of Helen.

(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0099%3Acard%3D1137#:~:text=%E1%BD%85%20%CF%84%CE%B9%20%CE%B8%CE%B5%E1%BD%B8%CF%82,%E1%BC%80%CE%BD%CE%B5%CE%BB%CF%80%CE%AF%CF%83%CF%84%CE%BF%CE%B9%CF%82%20%CF%84%CF%8D%CF%87%CE%B1%CE%B9%CF%82%3B">Source (Greek)</a>). Other translations: <br><br>

<blockquote>Was this then human, or divine?<br>
Did it a middle nature share?<br>
<span class="tab">What mortal shall declare?<br>
Who shall the secret bounds define?<br>
When the gods work, we see their pow'r;<br>
We see on their high bidding wait<br>
The prosp'rous gales, the storms of fate:<br>
<span class="tab">But who their awefull cousils shall explore?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.hn6lrk&seq=352&q1=%22was+this+then+human%22">Potter</a> (1783)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">Whether the image was divine,<br>
Drew from terrestrial particles its birth,<br>
Or from the middle region, how define<br>
<span class="tab">By curious search, ye sons of earth?<br>
Far from unravelling Heaven's abstruse intents,<br>
<span class="tab">We view the world tost to and fro,<br>
Mark strange vicissitudes of joy and woe,<br>
Discordant and miraculous events.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015019113177&seq=159&q1=%22world+tost%22">Wodhull</a> (1809)]</blockquote><br> 

<blockquote>Whether it was a God, or not a God, or something between, who of mortals can aver, having searched out to the very end, so as to discover, who [indeed] perceives the counsels of the Gods flitting hither and thither in unexpected, contradictory turns of fate?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=rul.39030018953945&seq=242&q1=%22flitting+hither%22">Buckley</a> (1850)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>What is god, or what is not god, or what is in between -- what mortal says he has found it by searching the farthest limit, when he sees divine affairs leaping here and there again and back, in contradictory and unexpected chances?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0100%3Acard%3D1137#:~:text=What%20is%20god%2C%20or%20what%20is%20not%20god%2C%20or%20what%20is%20in%20between%E2%80%94%20what%20mortal%20says%20he%20has%20found%20it%20by%20searching%20the%20farthest%20limit%2C%20%5B1140%5D%20when%20he%20sees%20divine%20affairs%20leaping%20here%20and%20there%20again%20and%20back%2C%20in%20contradictory%20and%20unexpected%20chances%3F">Coleridge</a> (1891)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>What mortal claims, by searching to the utmost limit, to have found  out the nature of God, or of his opposite, or of that which comes  between, seeing as he doth this world of man tossed to and fro by waves of contradiction and strange vicissitudes?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://sacred-texts.com/cla/eurip/helen.htm#:~:text=What%20mortal%20claims%2C%20by%20searching%20to%20the%20utmost%20limit%2C%20to%20have%20found%0A%20out%20the%20nature%20of%20God%2C%20or%20of%20his%20opposite%2C%20or%20of%20that%20which%20comes%0A%20between%2C%20seeing%20as%20he%20doth%20this%20world%20of%20man%20tossed%20to%20and%20fro%20by%0A%20waves%20of%20contradiction%20and%20strange%20vicissitudes%3F">Coleridge</a>, common variant]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Who among men dare say that he, exploring<br>
<span class="tab">Even to Creation's farthest limit-line,<br>
Ever hath found the God of our adoring,<br>
<span class="tab">That which is not God, or the half-divine --<br>
Who, that beholdeth the decrees of Heaven<br>
<span class="tab">This way and that in hopeless turmoil swayed?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015012280742&seq=587&q1=%22decrees+of+heaven%22">Way</a> (Loeb) (1912)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">Who hath knowledge? Who so wise,<br>
<span class="tab">Can tell us what divinities<br>
<span class="tab">What spirits of a mingled birth,<br>
<span class="tab">Part of heaven and part of earth,<br>
<span class="tab">Shape our mortal destinies,<br>
<span class="tab">Weaving in the web of chance<br>
<span class="tab">Circumstance with circumstance?<br>
Nay, the riddle baffles common wit:<br>
Mortal reason may not compass it.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b4036627&seq=45&q1=%22weaving+in+the+web%22">Sheppard</a> (1925)]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>You who with learned patience plod<br>
Remotest realms of toilsome thought,<br>
Can you by searching find out God,<br>
Or bound his nature? Look at man!<br>
From want to wealth, now forth, now back,<br>
Now tossed from fame to infamy<br>
By unforeseen, ambiguous chance!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchaeotherplay00euri/page/160/mode/2up?q=%22learned+patience+plod%22">Vellacott</a> (1954), Antistrophe 2]</blockquote><br>




<blockquote>What is god, what is not god, what is between man<br>
and god, who shall say? Say he has found<br>
the remote way to the absolute<br>
that he has seen god, and come <br>
back to us, and returned there, and come<br>
back again, reason's feet leaping<br>
the void? Who can hope for such fortune?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/euripidesiicyclo00euri/page/252/mode/2up?q=%22what+is+god+what+is+not%22">Lattimore</a> (1956)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>As for what is god, or not god, or something in between, what mortal having searched can say? The distant end of this enquiry has been found by the man who sees the gods’ fortunes leaping this way and that, and back again in twists of circumstance, contradictory and unforeseen. <br>
[tr. Davie (2002)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Can any man<br>
After profound research<br>
Say he has the answers to these questions:<br>
What is a god?<br>
What is not a god?<br>
Can there be something in between?<br>
Is knowledge of the gods possible<br>
When you see how gods behave -- their actions<br>
Unstable<br>
Undisciplined<br>
Unpredictable<br>
Randomly jumping now this way<br>
Now that?<br>
[tr. <a href="http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~loxias/helen.htm#:~:text=After%20profound%20research">A. Wilson</a> (2007)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">What mortal can possibly claim what is god, what isn’t, what’s in between?<br>
<span class="tab">The most a mortal can do is to understand that whatever the gods deliver will turn this way one minute, the other a minute later, only to turn back this way again, with unfathomable consequences.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://bacchicstage.wpcomstaging.com/euripides/helen/#:~:text=What%20mortal%20can%20possibly%20claim%20what%20is%20god%2C%20what%20isn%E2%80%99t%20what%E2%80%99s%20in%20between%3F%0AThe%20most%20a%20mortal%20can%20do%20is%20to%20understand%20that%20whatever%20the%20gods%20deliver%20will%20turn%20this%20way%20one%20minute%2C%20the%20other%20a%20minute%20later%2C%20only%20to%20turn%20back%20this%20way%20again%2C%20with%20unfathomable%20consequences.">Theodoridis</a> (2011)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>What is god or not god, and what lies in between,<br>
What mortal could discover this?<br>
The furthest limit of certainty one has found when she sees<br>
matters divine leaping here and there, back again, chances contradictory, unexpected.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.uvm.edu/~jbailly/courses/CLAS24TrojanWar/1.%20Helen%20Script.pdf#page=44">Ambrose</a> et al. (2018)]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>What is god, or what is not god, or what is in between -- what mortal says he has found it by searching the farthest limit, when he sees divine affairs leaping here and there again and back, in contradictory and unexpected chances? <br>
[tr. <a href="https://chs.harvard.edu/primary-source/euripides-helen/#:~:text=What%20is%20god%2C%20or%20what%20is%20not%20god%2C%20or%20what%20is%20in%20between%E2%80%94%20what%20mortal%20says%20he%20has%20found%20it%20by%20searching%20the%20farthest%20limit%2C%20%5B1140%5D%20when%20he%20sees%20divine%20affairs%20leaping%20here%20and%20there%20again%20and%20back%2C%20in%20contradictory%20and%20unexpected%20chances%3F">Coleridge / Helen Heroization Team</a>]</blockquote><br>







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		<title>Bierce, Ambrose -- &#8220;Redemption,&#8221; The Devil&#8217;s Dictionary (1911)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[REDEMPTION, n. Deliverance of sinners from the penalty of their sin, through their murder of the deity against whom they sinned. The doctrine of Redemption is the fundamental mystery of our holy religion, and whoso believeth in it shall not perish, but have everlasting life in which to try to understand it. Originally published in [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">REDEMPTION, <i>n.</i> Deliverance of sinners from the penalty of their sin, through their murder of the deity against whom they sinned. The doctrine of Redemption is the fundamental mystery of our holy religion, and whoso believeth in it shall not perish, but have everlasting life in which to try to understand it.</p>
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<br><b>Ambrose Bierce</b> (1842-1914?) American writer and journalist<br>&#8220;Redemption,&#8221; <i>The Devil&#8217;s Dictionary</i> (1911) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Devil%27s_Dictionary/R#:~:text=REDEMPTION%2C%20n,to%20understand%20it." target="_blank">Source</a>)
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<a href="https://archive.org/details/unabridgeddevils00bier/page/376/mode/2up?q=%22redemption+redress%22">Originally published</a> in <i>The Devil's Dictionary</i> [A-Z] as Vol. 7 of his <i>Collected Works</i>.
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		<description><![CDATA[When a fact can be demonstrated, force is unnecessary; when it cannot be demonstrated, an appeal to force is infamous. In the presence of the unknown all have an equal right to think. Full title &#8220;Arraignment of the Church and a Plea for Individuality.&#8221; Collected in The Gods and Other Lectures (1876).]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When a fact can be demonstrated, force is unnecessary; when it cannot be demonstrated, an appeal to force is infamous. In the presence of the unknown all have an equal right to think.</p>
<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833-1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>Lecture (1873-12) &#8220;Individuality,&#8221; Chicago Free Religious Society 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://gutenberg.org/cache/epub/38813/pg38813-images.html#Alink0005:~:text=When%20a%20fact%20can%20be%20demonstrated%2C%20force%20is%20unnecessary%3B%20when%20it%20cannot%20be%20demonstrated%2C%20an%20appeal%20to%20force%20is%20infamous.%20In%20the%20presence%20of%20the%20unknown%20all%20have%20an%20equal%20right%20to%20think." target="_blank">Source</a>)
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Full title "<a href="https://conwayhallcollections.omeka.net/items/show/742">Arraignment of the Church and a Plea for Individuality</a>." <a href="https://archive.org/details/godsotherlectu00inge/page/204/mode/2up?q=%22founded+upon+the+bible%22">Collected</a> in <i>The Gods and Other Lectures</i> (1876).
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		<title>Montaigne, Michel de -- Essays, Book 1, ch. 31 (1.31), &#8220;That a Man Is Soberly to Judge of the Divine Ordinance [Qu’il faut sobrement se mesler de juger des ordonnances divines] (1572) [tr. Ives (1925), ch. 32]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[We must be content with the light that it may please the sun to shed upon us by his beams; and he who shall raise his eyes to bring a brighter beam into his very body, let him not think it strange if, for the punishment of his audacity, he thus lose his sight. [Il [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We must be content with the light that it may please the sun to shed upon us by his beams; and he who shall raise his eyes to bring a brighter beam into his very body, let him not think it strange if, for the punishment of his audacity, he thus lose his sight.</p>
<p><em>[Il se faut contenter de la lumiere qu’il plaist au Soleil nous communiquer par ses rayons, &#038; qui eslevera ses yeux pour en prendre une plus grande dans son corps mesme, qu’il ne trouve pas estrange, si pour la peine de son outrecuidance il y perd la veuë.]</em></p>
<br><b>Michel de Montaigne</b> (1533-1592) French essayist<br><i>Essays</i>, Book 1, ch. 31 (1.31), &#8220;That a Man Is Soberly to Judge of the Divine Ordinance <i>[Qu’il faut sobrement se mesler de juger des ordonnances divines]</i> (1572) [tr. Ives (1925), ch. 32] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Book_I/Myt1MG8XBqYC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22we%20must%20be%20content%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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On discerning God's will.<br><br>

This passage of this essay was in the 1st (1580) edition.<br><br>

(<a href="https://hyperessays.net/gournay/book/I/chapter/31/#:~:text=Il%20se%20faut%20contenter%20de%20la%20lumiere%20qu%E2%80%99il%20plaist%20au%20Soleil%20nous%20communiquer%20par%20ses%20rayons%2C%20%26%20qui%20eslevera%20ses%20yeux%20pour%20en%20prendre%20une%20plus%20grande%20dans%20son%20corps%20mesme%2C%20qu%E2%80%99il%20ne%20trouve%20pas%20estrange%2C%20si%20pour%20la%20peine%20de%20son%20outrecuidance%20il%20y%20perd%20la%20veu%C3%AB.">Source (French)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>A man should be satisfied with the light, which it pleaseth the Sunne to communicate unto us by vertue of his beames; and he that shall lift up his eyes to take a greater within his bodie, let him not thinke it strange, if for a reward of his over-weening and arrogancie he loose his sight.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://hyperessays.net/florio/book/I/chapter/31/#:~:text=A%20man%20should%20be%20satisfied%20with%20the%20light%2C%20which%20it%20pleaseth%20the%20Sunne%20to%20communicate%20unto%20us%20by%20vertue%20of%20his%20beames%3B%20and%20he%20that%20shall%20lift%20up%20his%20eyes%20to%20take%20a%20greater%20within%20his%20bodie%2C%20let%20him%20not%20thinke%2Dit%20strange%2C%20if%20for%20a%20reward%20of%20his%20over%2Dweening%20and%20arrogancie%20he%20loose%20his%20sight">Florio</a> (1603)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>We are to content ourselves with the light it pleases the sun to communicate to us, by virtue of his rays, and he that will lift up his eyes to take in a greater, let him not think it strange if, for the punishment of his presumption, he thereby lose his sight.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/essaysmichaelde01montgoog/page/262/mode/2up?q=%22We+are+to+content%22">Cotton</a> (1686)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>We are to content ourselves with the light it pleases the sun to communicate to us, by virtue of his rays; and who will lift up his eyes to take in a greater, let him not think it strange, if for the reward of his presumption, he there lose his sight.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://hyperessays.net/essays/hazarding-an-opinion-on-gods-plans-demands-caution/#:~:text=We%20are%20to%20content%20ourselves%20with%20the%20light%20it%20pleases%20the%20sun%20to%20communicate%20to%20us%2C%20by%20virtue%20of%20his%20rays%3B%20and%20who%20will%20lift%20up%20his%20eyes%20to%20take%20in%20a%20greater%2C%20let%20him%20not%20think%20it%20strange%2C%20if%20for%20the%20reward%20of%20his%20presumption%2C%20he%20there%20lose%20his%20sight.">Cotton/Hazlitt</a> (1877)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>We must be content with the light that it pleases the sun to communicate to us by its rays; and if anyone raises his eyes to gain a greater light from its very body, let him not find it strange if as a penalty for his presumption he loses his sight.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/completeworksofm0000mont/page/160/mode/2up?q=%22must+be+content%22">Frame</a> (1943), 1.32]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>We must be content with the light which the Sun vouchsafes to shed on us by its rays: were a man to lift up his eyes to seek a greater light in the Sun itself, let him not find it strange if he is blinded as a penalty for his presumption. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/the-complete-essays-montaigne-michel-de-1533-1592/page/243/mode/2up?q=%22content+with+the+light%22">Screech</a> (1987), 1.32]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot say for sure when my reliable ideas about God began to slip away, but the big chest I used to keep them in is smaller than a shoebox now. Most of the time, I feel so ashamed about this that I do not own up to it unless someone else mentions it first. Then we find a quiet place where we can talk about what it is like to feel more and more devoted to a relationship that we are less and less able to say anything about.</p>
<br><b>Barbara Brown Taylor</b> (b. 1951) American minister, academic, author<br><i>Learning to Walk in the Dark</i>, ch.  7 (2014) 
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		<title>Dante Alighieri -- The Divine Comedy [Divina Commedia], Book 3 &#8220;Paradiso,&#8221; Canto  1, l.   4ff (1.4-12) (1320) [tr. Sayers/Reynolds (1962)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Within that heav&#8217;n which most receives His light Was I, and saw such things as man nor knows Nor skills to tell, returning from that height; For when our intellect is drawing close To its desire, its paths are so profound That memory cannot follow where it goes. Yet now, of that blest realm, whate&#8217;er [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Within that heav&#8217;n which most receives His light<br />
<span class="tab">Was I, and saw such things as man nor knows<br />
<span class="tab">Nor skills to tell, returning from that height;<br />
For when our intellect is drawing close<br />
<span class="tab">To its desire, its paths are so profound<br />
<span class="tab">That memory cannot follow where it goes.<br />
Yet now, of that blest realm, whate&#8217;er is found<br />
<span class="tab">Here in my mind still treasured and possessed<br />
<span class="tab">Must set the strain for all my song to sound.<br />
&nbsp;<br />
<em>[Nel ciel che più de la sua luce prende<br />
<span class="tab">fu’ io, e vidi cose che ridire<br />
<span class="tab">né sa né può chi di là sù discende;<br />
perché appressando sé al suo disire,<br />
<span class="tab">nostro intelletto si profonda tanto,<br />
<span class="tab">che dietro la memoria non può ire.<br />
Veramente quant’io del regno santo<br />
<span class="tab">ne la mia mente potei far tesoro,<br />
<span class="tab">sarà ora materia del mio canto.]</span></span></span></span></span></span></em></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<br><b>Dante Alighieri</b> (1265-1321) Italian poet<br><i>The Divine Comedy [Divina Commedia]</i>, Book 3 <i>&#8220;Paradiso,&#8221;</i> Canto  1, l.   4ff (1.4-12) (1320) [tr. Sayers/Reynolds (1962)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/comedyofdanteali0000dant/page/52/mode/2up?q=%22within+that+heav%27n+which%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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Dante breaks the fourth wall again, to apologize for how little he can remember of the ineffable glories of Heaven (which works out to an entire book's worth).<br><br>

(<a href="https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Divina_Commedia/Paradiso/Canto_I#:~:text=Nel%20ciel%20che,12">Source (Italian)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">In daring drains <br>
I sing, admitted to the lofty fanes,<br>
<span class="tab">Fill'd with the Glory of th' Eternal One.<br>
There saw I things beyond Creation's bourne. <br>
Which none who from her flaming bounds return<br>
<span class="tab">Can tell, when soaring Thought is launch'd so far <br>
In Being's vast Abyss, that Mem'ry fails. <br>
Nor dares pursue, altho' with crowded sails<br>
<span class="tab">She tries the Voyage o'er th' eternal Bar.<br>
But some small remnant of that heav'nly Spoil, <br>
From that strange Voyage won with arduous toil,<br>
<span class="tab">To her dear native soil, the Muse shall bear.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinacommediaof03dantuoft/page/30/mode/2up?q=%22canto+the+first%22#:~:text=as%20he%20wills%2C-,in%20daring%20drains,-I%20fmg%2C">Boyd</a> (1802), st. 1-3] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">In heav’n,<br>
<span class="tab">That largeliest of his light partakes, was I,<br>
<span class="tab">Witness of things, which to relate again<br>
Surpasseth power of him who comes from thence;<br>
<span class="tab">For that, so near approaching its desire<br>
<span class="tab">Our intellect is to such depth absorb’d,<br>
That memory cannot follow. Nathless all,<br>
<span class="tab">That in my thoughts I of that sacred realm<br>
<span class="tab">Could store, shall now be matter of my song.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/8799/8799-h/8799-h.htm#cantoIII.1:~:text=In%20heav%E2%80%99n%2C,of%20my%20song.">Cary</a> (1814)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>In heaven, that drinks the deepest of the light,<br>
<span class="tab">Was I, and saw what to recount to sense<br>
<span class="tab">He knows not how, nor can, who comes from thence;<br>
Because, approaching nearer its desire,<br>
<span class="tab">Dives intellect to such a depth profound<br>
<span class="tab">That memory fails, and cannot go beyond<br>
In truth of that dominion's power, whate'er <br>
<span class="tab">I can find room to treasure in my mind,   <br>
<span class="tab">Be now the subject in my song enshrined.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/comedyofdanteal00dant/page/322/mode/2up?q=%22in+heaven+that+drinks%22">Bannerman</a> (1850)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Within that heaven which most his light receives<br>
<span class="tab">Was I, and things beheld which to repeat<br>
<span class="tab">Nor knows, nor can, who from above descends;<br>
Because in drawing near to its desire<br>
<span class="tab">Our intellect ingulphs itself so far,<br>
<span class="tab">That after it the memory cannot go.<br>
Truly whatever of the holy realm<br>
<span class="tab">I had the power to treasure in my mind<br>
<span class="tab">Shall now become the subject of my song.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Divine_Comedy_(Longfellow_1867)/Volume_3/Canto_1#:~:text=Within%20that%20heaven,of%20my%20song.">Longfellow</a> (1867)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>In the heaven which receives most of His light was I, and I beheld things which whoso descends thence has neither knowledge nor power to tell again, seeing that as it draws near to its desire our understanding plunges so deep, that the memory cannot go after it. Howbeit, so much of the holy realm as I could treasure up within my mind shall now be matter for my lay.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/paradisedanteal00aliggoog/page/n22/mode/2up?q=%22in+the+heaven+which%22">Butler</a> (1885)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>In the sky which most partaketh of his light<br>
<span class="tab">Was I, and things I saw, which to repeat <br>
<span class="tab">Knows not, and cannot whoe'er leaves that height. <br>
Because approaching to its yearned-for seat<br>
<span class="tab">The intellect deep diveth there so long<br>
<span class="tab">That memory behind it cannot fleet. <br>
Of what to the holy kingdom doth belong<br>
<span class="tab">Which I had power to treasure in my mind,<br>
<span class="tab">Truly shall now be subject of my song.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedyofda00dantrich/page/262/mode/2up?q=%22in+the+sky+which%22">Minchin</a> (1885)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>In the heaven that receives most of its light I have been, and have seen things which he who descends from thereabove neither knows how nor is able to recount; because, drawing near to its own desire, our understanding enters so deep, that the memory cannot follow. Truly whatever of the Holy Realm I could treasure up in my mind shall now be the theme of my song.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1997/1997-h/1997-h.htm#cantoIII.I:~:text=In%20the%20heaven,of%20my%20song.">Norton</a> (1892)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">In that heaven which most receiveth of his light, have I been ; and have seen things which whoso descendeth from up there hath nor knowledge nor power to re-tell; <br>
<span class="tab">because, as it draweth nigh to its desire, our intellect sinketh so deep, that memory cannot go back upon the track. <br>
<span class="tab">Nathless, whatever of the holy realm I had the power to treasure in my memory, shall now be matter of my song.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/paradisoofdante00dant/page/2/mode/2up?q=%22In+that+heaven%22">Wicksteed</a> (1899)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I was in the heaven that most receives His light and I saw things which he that descends from it has not the knowledge or the power to tell again; for our intellect, drawing near to its desire, sinks so deep that memory cannot follow it. Nevertheless, so much of the holy kingdom as I was able to treasure in my mind shall now be matter of my song.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedyofda0000dant/page/18/mode/2up?q=%22i+was+in+the+heaven%22">Sinclair</a> (1939)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>In that heaven which partakes most of His light <br>
<span class="tab">I have been, and have beheld such things as who<br>
<span class="tab">Comes down thence has no wit nor power to write; <br>
Such depth our understanding deepens to<br>
<span class="tab">When it draws near unto its longing's home<br>
<span class="tab">That memory cannot backward with it go.<br>
Nevertheless what of the blest kingdom<br>
<span class="tab">Could in my memory, for its treasure, stray<br>
<span class="tab">Shall now the matter of my song become.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/portabledante00dant/page/366/mode/2up?q=%22in+that+heaven+which%22">Binyon</a> (1943)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I have been in that Heaven of His most light, <br>
<span class="tab">and what I saw, those who descend from there <br>
<span class="tab">lack both the knowledge and the power to write.<br>
For as our intellect draws near its goal <br>
<span class="tab">it opens to such depths of understanding <br>
<span class="tab">as memory cannot plumb within the soul. <br>
Nevertheless, whatever portion time <br>
<span class="tab">still leaves me of the treasure of that kingdom <br>
<span class="tab">shall now become the subject of my rhyme.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/paradisoverseren00dant/page/24/mode/2up?q=%22i+have+been+in+that+heaven%22">Ciardi</a> (1970)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I have been in the heaven that most receives of his light, and have seen things which whoso descends from up there has niehter the knowledge nor the power to relate, because, as draws near to its desire, our intellect enters so deep that memory cannot go back upon the track. Nevertheless, so much of the holy kingdom as I could treasure up in my mind shall now be the matter of my song.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Divine_Comedy_III_Paradiso_Vol_III_P/4Q48EAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22i%20have%20been%20in%20the%22">Singleton</a> (1975)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I have been in the heaven which takes most of his light, <br>
<span class="tab">And I have seen things which cannot be told, <br>
<span class="tab">Possibly, by anyone who comes down from up there;<br>
Because, approaching the object of its desires, <br>
<span class="tab">Our intellect is so deeply absorbed <br>
<span class="tab">That memory cannot follow it all the way.<br>
Nevertheless, what I was able to store up<br>
<span class="tab">Of that holy kingdom, in my mind,<br>
<span class="tab">Will now be the matter of my poem.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedy0000dant/page/350/mode/2up?q=%22i+have+been+in+the+heaven%22">Sisson</a> (1981)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I was within the heaven that receives more <br>
<span class="tab">of His light; and I saw things that he <br>
<span class="tab">who from that height descends, forgets or can <br>
not speak; for nearing its desired end, <br>
<span class="tab">our intellect sinks into an abyss <br>
<span class="tab">so deep that memory fails to follow it. <br>
Nevertheless, as much as I, within <br>
<span class="tab">my mind, could treasure of the holy kingdom <br>
<span class="tab">shall now become the matter of my song. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/paradiso0000dant_k1w9/page/2/mode/2up?q=%22less+i+was+within+the+heaven%22">Mandelbaum</a> (1984)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I have been in His brightest shining heaven <br>
<span class="tab">and seen such things that no man, once returned <br>
<span class="tab">from there, has wit or skill to tell about;<br>
for when our intellect draws near its goal <br>
<span class="tab">and fathoms to the depths of its desire, <br>
<span class="tab">the memory is powerless to follow;<br>
but still, as much of Heaven’s holy realm <br>
<span class="tab">as I could store and treasure in my mind <br>
<span class="tab">shall now become the subject of my song. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/dantesparadise0000dant/page/n13/mode/2up?q=%22i+have+been+in+his+brightest%22">Musa</a> (1984)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">In the heaven that receives most of his light have I been, and I have seen things that one who comes down from there cannot remember and cannot utter, <br>
<span class="tab">for as it draws near to its desire, our intellect goes so deep that the memory cannot follow it. <br>
<span class="tab">Nevertheless, as much of the holy kingdom as I was able to treasure up in my mind will now become the matter of my song.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedyofda0000dant_e4e9/page/22/mode/2up?q=%22in+the+heaven+that%22">Durling</a> (2011)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">I have been in that Heaven that knows his light most, and have seen things, which whoever descends from there has neither power, nor knowledge, to relate: because as our intellect draws near to its desire, it reaches such depths that memory cannot go back along the track.<br>
<span class="tab">  Nevertheless, whatever, of the sacred regions, I had power to treasure in my mind, will now be the subject of my labour.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Italian/DantPar1to7.php#:~:text=I%20have%20been,of%20my%20labour.">Kline</a> (2002)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>High in that sphere which takes from Him most light<br> 
<span class="tab">I was -- I was! -- and saw things there that no one <br>
<span class="tab">who descends knows how or ever can repeat. <br>
For, drawing near to what it most desires, <br>
<span class="tab">our intellect so sinks into the deep <br>
<span class="tab">no memory can follow it that far. <br>
As much, though, truly of that holy realm <br>
<span class="tab">as I could keep as treasure in my mind <br>
<span class="tab">will now become the substance of my song.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedy3par0000dant/page/n87/mode/2up?q=%22high+in+that+sphere%22">Kirkpatrick</a> (2007)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I was in that heaven which receives<br>
<span class="tab">more of His light. He who comes down from there<br>
<span class="tab">can neither know nor tell what he has seen,<br>
for, drawing near to its desire,<br>
<span class="tab">so deeply is our intellect immersed<br>
<span class="tab">that memory cannot follow after it.<br>
Nevertheless, as much of the holy kingdom<br>
<span class="tab">as I could store as treasure in my mind<br>
<span class="tab">shall now become the subject of my song.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://dante.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/dante/campuscgi/mpb/GetCantoSection.pl?INP_POEM=Par&INP_SECT=1&INP_START=4&INP_LEN=9&LANG=0">Hollander/Hollander</a> (2007)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>And though I saw where most of His brightness falls,<br>
<span class="tab">What I have seen cannot be represented<br>
<span class="tab">Here, for those who have entered Heaven, and descended,<br>
Have come so close to what our minds desire<br>
<span class="tab">They sink far in, and bury their knowledge, their power,<br>
<span class="tab">So deep that memory cannot recover<br>
A thing. But I will try, truly, to present<br>
<span class="tab">Whatever remains in my mind of that holy kingdom<br>
<span class="tab">And make it the substance of this song I will sing.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Divine_Comedy/WZyBj-s9PfsC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22and%20though%20I%20saw%22">Raffel</a> (2010)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I was in the heaven that gets more of its rays<br>
<span class="tab">And saw things that those who come down<br>
<span class="tab">From on high can’t grasp or else can’t say,<br>
Because nearing what one wants,<br>
<span class="tab">Our intellect is so overcome<br>
<span class="tab">That our memory is left behind.<br>
Even so, as much of the Holy Kingdom<br>
<span class="tab">As my mind could hold on to<br>
<span class="tab">Will now be the subject of my song.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://imagejournal.org/article/paradiso-canto-i/#:~:text=I%20was%20in,of%20my%20song.">Bang</a> (2021)]</blockquote><br>
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		<title>Dante Alighieri -- The Divine Comedy [Divina Commedia], Book 2 &#8220;Purgatorio,&#8221; Canto  3, l.  31ff (3.31-39) (1314) [tr. Kirkpatrick (2007)]</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To suffer torments both of heat and chill,<br />
<span class="tab">the Utmost Power gives bodies, fit for that,<br />
<span class="tab">not wishing <i>how</i> it does to be revealed.<br />
It&#8217;s madness if we hope that rational minds<br />
<span class="tab">should ever follow to its end the road<br />
<span class="tab">that one true being in three persons takes.<br />
Content yourselves with <i>quia</i>, human kind.<br />
<span class="tab">Had you been able to see everything,<br />
<span class="tab">Mary need not have laboured to give birth. </p>
<p><em>[A sofferir tormenti, caldi e geli<br />
<span class="tab">simili corpi la Virtù dispone<br />
<span class="tab">che, come fa, non vuol ch’a noi si sveli.<br />
Matto è chi spera che nostra ragione<br />
<span class="tab">possa trascorrer la infinita via<br />
<span class="tab">che tiene una sustanza in tre persone.<br />
State contenti, umana gente, al quia;<br />
<span class="tab">ché, se potuto aveste veder tutto,<br />
<span class="tab">mestier non era parturir Maria.]</span></span></span></span></span></span></em></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<br><b>Dante Alighieri</b> (1265-1321) Italian poet<br><i>The Divine Comedy [Divina Commedia]</i>, Book 2 <i>&#8220;Purgatorio,&#8221;</i> Canto  3, l.  31ff (3.31-39) (1314) [tr. Kirkpatrick (2007)] 
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Virgil chides Dante to stop trying to figure out the biology, let alone divine purpose, of the Afterlife, and just accept the <em>what</em> <em>(quia),</em> the existence of it, rather than the <em>how</em> or <em>why</em>, which are as incomprehensible as the Trinity; if human reason could suffice to understand God, there would have been no reason for Jesus to have been born to save humanity.<br><br>

(<a href="https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Divina_Commedia/Purgatorio/Canto_III#:~:text=A%20sofferir%20tormenti,era%20parturir%20Maria">Source (Italian)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>Why these sky-woven forms, that seem to fly<br>
All mortal sense, can suffer and enjoy<br>
<span class="tab">Heav'n's bliss, and all th' extremes of fire and frost, <br>
That Power that so decrees, can best explain: <br>
Created plummet sounds that depth in vain.<br>
<span class="tab">In <i>that</i>, as in the Trinal Union, lost.<br>
Too anxious mortals! learn to be resign'd;<br>
Could the deep secrets of th' Almighty Mind<br>
<span class="tab">Be seen, nor Sin nor Savior had been known.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinacommediad00unkngoog/page/n88/mode/2up?q=%22Why+tfiefe+flty-woven%22">Boyd</a> (1802), st. 7-8]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">To endure<br>
Torments of heat and cold extreme, like frames<br>
That virtue hath dispos’d, which how it works<br>
Wills not to us should be reveal’d. Insane<br>
Who hopes, our reason may that space explore,<br>
Which holds three persons in one substance knit.<br>
Seek not the wherefore, race of human kind;<br>
Could ye have seen the whole, no need had been<br>
For Mary to bring forth.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/8795/8795-h/8795-h.htm#cantoII.3:~:text=To%20endure%0ATorments,to%20bring%20forth.">Cary</a> (1814)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>To suffer torments, both the cold and hot,<br>
<span class="tab">Bodies alike in form has he annealed --<br>
<span class="tab">The how he wishes not to use revealed.<br>
Foolish! who think our reason can unveil,<br>
<span class="tab">Or hope to pass the infinital way<br>
<span class="tab">To find three persons one Substantiality:<br>
Remain content without the manner how.<br>
<span class="tab">Could you have seen at once the whole of worth, <br>
<span class="tab">Why was it meet Maria should bring forth?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/comedyofdanteal00dant/page/170/mode/2up?q=%22to+suffer+torments%22">Bannerman</a> (1850)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>To suffer torments, both of cold and heat,<br>
<span class="tab">Bodies like this that Power provides, which wills<br>
<span class="tab">That how it works be not unveiled to us.<br>
Insane is he who hopeth that our reason<br>
<span class="tab">Can traverse the illimitable way, ⁠<br>
<span class="tab">Which the one Substance in three Persons follows!<br>
Mortals, remain contented at the <i>Quia;</i><br>
<span class="tab">For if ye had been able to see all,<br>
<span class="tab">No need there were for Mary to give birth.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Divine_Comedy_(Longfellow_1867)/Volume_2/Canto_3#:~:text=To%20suffer%20torments,to%20give%20birth">Longfellow</a> (1867)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>To suffer torments both of heat and cold that Power ordains such bodies, which will not that the manner of its working be revealed to us. Mad is he who hopes that our reason can travel over the boundless way, which one Substance in three Persons holds. Remain content, race of mankind, at the <i>quia,</i> for if you could have seen all no need was there that Mary should bring forth.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/purgatorydantea00aliggoog/page/n44/mode/2up?q=%22suffer+torments%22">Butler</a> (1885)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>To suffer torments, heat, and cold, is given<br>
<span class="tab">To bodies like to this, by high decree,<br>
<span class="tab">The how 'tis done by man cannot be riven. <br>
He's mad who thinks our human reason free <br>
<span class="tab">Along the infinite career to run, <br>
<span class="tab">Of God, the substance one in Persons three. <br>
Be ye content, O man, the Why unknown:<br>
<span class="tab">Had ye been able to behold the whole,<br>
<span class="tab">No need had Mary to bring forth her son.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedyofda00dantrich/page/140/mode/2up?q=%22suffer+torments%22">Minchin</a> (1885)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>To suffer torments, both hot and cold, bodies like this the Power ordains, which wills not that how it acts be revealed to us. Mad is he who hopes that our reason can traverse the infinite way which One Substance in Three Persons holds. Be content, human race, with the <i>quia;</i> for if ye had been able to see everything, need had not been for Mary to bear child.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1996/1996-h/1996-h.htm#cantoII.III:~:text=To%20suffer%20torments,to%20hear%20child">Norton</a> (1892)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">To suffer torments, heat and frost, bodies such as these that power disposes, which will not that its workings be revealed to us. <br>
<span class="tab">Mad is he who hopes that our reason may compass that infinitude which one substance in three persons fills.<br>
<span class="tab">Be ye content, O human race, with the <i>quia!</i> For if ye had been able to see the whole, no need was there for Mary to give birth.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Purgatorio_of_Dante_Alighieri/ygLFmww0EEYC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22suffer%20torments%22">Okey</a> (1901)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The Power fits such bodies as these to suffer torments of heat and frost which wills not that the way of its working should be revealed to us. Foolish is he who hopes that our reason can trace the infinite ways taken by one Substance in three Persons. Rest content, race of men, with the <i>quia;</i> for if you had been able to see all there was no need for Mary to give birth.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/iipurgatoriowith00dant/page/46/mode/2up?q=%22Power+fits+such%22">Sinclair</a> (1939)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>That power disposes bodies like to mine<br>
<span class="tab">In torments both of heat and frost to weep<br>
<span class="tab">Which wills not that its working we divine.<br>
He is mad who hopes that reason in its sweep<br>
<span class="tab">The infinite way can traverse back and forth<br>
<span class="tab">Which the Three Persons in one substance keep.<br>
With the <i>quia</i> stay content, children of earth!<br>
<span class="tab">For if the whole before your eyes had lain,<br>
<span class="tab">No need was there for Mary to give birth.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/portabledante00dant/page/198/mode/2up?q=%22power+disposes%22">Binyon</a> (1943)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Bodies like mine, to bear pain, cold and heat,<br>
<span class="tab">That power ordains, whose will forever spreads<br>
<span class="tab">A veil between its working and our wit.<br>
Madness! that reason lodged in human heads<br>
<span class="tab">should hope to traverse backward and unweave<br>
<span class="tab">The infinite path Three-personed Substance treads.<br>
Content you with the <i>quia,</i> sons of Eve,<br>
<span class="tab">For had you power to see the whole truth plain<br>
<span class="tab">No need had been for Mary to conceive.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/comedyofdanteali00alig/page/88/mode/2up?q=quia">Sayers</a> (1955)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">We react<br>
within these bodies to pain and heat and cold <br>
<span class="tab">according to the workings of That Will <br>
<span class="tab">which does not will that all Its ways be told. <br>
He is insane who dreams that he may learn <br>
<span class="tab">by mortal reasoning the boundless orbit <br>
<span class="tab">Three Persons in One Substance fill and turn.<br>
Be satisfied with the <i>quia</i> of cause unknown,<br>
<span class="tab">O humankind! for could you have seen All,<br>
<span class="tab">Mary need not have suffered to bear a son.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/purgatorio00dant/page/48/mode/2up?q=%22within+these+bodies%22">Ciardi</a> (1961)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>To suffer torments, heat, and frost, bodies such as these that Power ordains, which wills not that the way of its working be revealed to us. Foolish is he who hopes that our reason may compass the infinite course taken by One Substance in Three Persons. Be content, human race, with the <i>quia;</i> for if you had been able to see everything, no need was there for Mary to give birth.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Divine_Comedy_II_Purgatorio_Vol_II_P/2Q48EAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22to%20suffer%20torments%22">Singleton</a> (1973)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Yet bodies such as ours are sensitive<br>
<span class="tab">to pain and cold and heat -- willed by that Power<br>
<span class="tab">which wills its secret not to be revealed;<br>
madness it is to hope that human minds<br>
<span class="tab">can ever understand the Infinite<br>
<span class="tab">that comprehends Three Persons in One Being.<br>
Be staisfied with <i>quia</i> unexplained,<br>
<span class="tab">O human race! If you knew everything,<br>
<span class="tab">no need for Mary to have borne a son.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/dantealighierisd03dant/page/24/mode/2up?q=%22yet+bodies+such%22">Musa</a> (1981)] </blockquote>v

<blockquote>Omnipotence disposes bodies like mine <br>
<span class="tab">To suffer torments both from heat and cold, <br>
<span class="tab">And how it does so, does not see fit to reveal.<br>
Only a madman would expect our reason <br>
<span class="tab">To follow all that infinite approach <br>
<span class="tab">And understand one substance in three persons.<br>
The human race should be content with the <i>quia:</i> <br>
<span class="tab">For if it had been able to see everything, <br>
<span class="tab">No need for Mary to have had a child.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedy0000dant/page/208/mode/2up?q=%22omnipotence+disposes%22">Sisson</a> (1981)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The Power has disposed such bodiless <br>
<span class="tab">bodies to suffer torments, heat and cold: <br>
<span class="tab">how this is done, He would not have us know.<br>
Foolish is he who hopes our intellect <br>
<span class="tab">can reach the end of that unending road <br>
<span class="tab">only one Substance in three Persons follows.<br>
Confine yourselves, o humans, to the <i>quia;</i> <br>
<span class="tab">had you been able to see all, there would <br>
<span class="tab">have been no need for Mary to give birth.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/purgatorio0000dant_m5q7/page/20/mode/2up?q=%22the+power+has+disposed%22">Mandelbaum</a> (1982)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">Such bodies are disposed to suffer torments, heat, and freezings by the Power that does not wish its ways to be unveiled to us.<br>
<span class="tab">He is mad who hopes that our reason can traverse the infinite way taken by one Substance in three Persons.<br>
<span class="tab">Be content, human people, with the <i>quia;</i> for if you had been able to see everything, there was no need for Mary to give birth.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedyofda0002dant_d4k9/page/50/mode/2up?q=%22such+bodies+are+disposed%22">Durling</a> (2003)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>That power, that does not will that its workings should be revealed to us, disposes bodies such as these to suffer torments, fire and ice. He is foolish who hopes that our reason may journey on the infinite road, that one substance in three persons owns. Stay, content, human race, with the <i>‘what’:</i> since if you had been able to understand it all, there would have been no need for Mary to give birth.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Italian/DantPurg1to7.php#anchor_Toc64099526:~:text=That%20power%2C%20that,to%20give%20birth">Kline</a> (2002)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The Power that fits bodies like ours<br>
<span class="tab">to suffer torments, heat, and cold<br>
<span class="tab">does not reveal the secret of its working.<br>
Foolish is he who hopes that with our reason<br>
<span class="tab">we can trace the infinite path<br>
<span class="tab">taken by one Substance in three Persons.<br>
Be content, then, all you mortals, with the <i>quia,</i><br>
<span class="tab">for could you, on your own, have understood,<br>
<span class="tab">there was no need for Mary to give birth.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://dante.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/dante/campuscgi/mpb/GetCantoSection.pl?INP_POEM=Purg&INP_SECT=3&INP_START=31&INP_LEN=9&LANG=0">Hollander/Hollander</a> (2007)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>These bodies were made by God, they endure troubles,<br>
<span class="tab">And heat, and frost -- but we are not informed<br>
<span class="tab">How this is accomplished; He does not want us to know.<br>
You have to be mad, hoping that human reason<br>
<span class="tab">Can ever unravel the infinite things He does,<br>
<span class="tab">Three Persons simultaneously only One.<br>
Be satisfied, O humans, with Reality,<br>
<span class="tab">For had you ever been able to see and know <br>
<span class="tab">It all, why bother with God in Mary's womb?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Divine_Comedy/WZyBj-s9PfsC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22these%20bodies%20were%20made%22">Raffel</a> (2010)] </blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Pratchett, Terry -- Good Omens, 1. &#8220;In the Beginning&#8221; (1990) [with Neil Gaiman]</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“You’ve got to admit it’s a bit of a pantomime, though,” said Crawly. “I mean, pointing out the Tree and saying ‘Don’t Touch’ in big letters. Not very subtle, is it? I mean, why not put it on top of a high mountain or a long way off? Makes you wonder what He’s really planning.”</p>
<br><b>Terry Pratchett</b> (1948-2015) English author<br><i>Good Omens</i>, 1. &#8220;In the Beginning&#8221; (1990) [with Neil Gaiman] 
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Referring to the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil (<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+2%3A16-17&version=NRSVUE">Gen. 2:16-17</a>).						</span>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The benevolent and sublime reformer [Jesus] of that religion [Judaism] has told us only that god is good and perfect, but has not defined him. I am therefore of his theology, believing that we have neither words nor ideas adequate to that definition. and if we could all, after his example, leave the subject as undefinable, we should all be of one sect, doers of good &#038; eschewers of evil. No doctrines of his lead to schism.</p>
<br><b>Thomas Jefferson</b> (1743-1826) American political philosopher, polymath, statesman, US President (1801-09)<br>Letter (1819-06-25) to Ezra Styles Ely 
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		<description><![CDATA[Life can be confusing. Good God, and how. Sometimes it seems like the older I get, the more confused I become. That seems ass-backwards. I thought I was supposed to be getting wiser. Instead, I just keep getting hit over the head with my relative insignificance in the greater scheme of the universe. Confusing, life. [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Life can be confusing. Good God, and how. Sometimes it seems like the older I get, the more confused I become. That seems ass-backwards. I thought I was supposed to be getting wiser. Instead, I just keep getting hit over the head with my relative insignificance in the greater scheme of the universe. Confusing, life. </p>
<p>But it beats the hell out of the alternative.</p>
<br><b>Jim Butcher</b> (b. 1971) American author<br><i>Proven Guilty</i>, ch. 47 (2006) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Proven_Guilty/9Fuc3xWOqBIC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22Life%20can%20be%20confusing%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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		<title>Armstrong, Karen -- Interview with Bill Moyers, &#8220;NOW,&#8221; PBS (9 Apr 2004)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[You shouldn&#8217;t speak glibly about God. In Judaism you may not speak God&#8217;s name as a reminder that any human expression of the divine is likely to be so limited as to be blasphemous. But God should challenge your assumptions &#8212; you shouldn&#8217;t imagine you&#8217;ve got Him in your pocket.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You shouldn&#8217;t speak glibly about God. In Judaism you may not speak God&#8217;s name as a reminder that any human expression of the divine is likely to be so limited as to be blasphemous. But God should challenge your assumptions &#8212; you shouldn&#8217;t imagine you&#8217;ve got Him in your pocket.</p>
<br><b>Karen Armstrong</b> (b. 1944) British author, comparative religion scholar<br>Interview with Bill Moyers, &#8220;NOW,&#8221; PBS (9 Apr 2004) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript315_full.html#nti:~:text=You%20shouldn't%20speak%20glibly%20about%20God.,you've%20got%20Him%20in%20your%20pocket." target="_blank">Source</a>)
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		<title>Armstrong, Karen -- NOW Interview with Bill Moyers, PBS (1 Mar 2002)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;My thoughts are not your thoughts. For as high as the heavens are the above the earth, so are my thoughts above your thoughts, my ways above your ways.&#8221; It should be written over every preacher&#8217;s pulpit. [&#8230;] Because so often we think that God&#8217;s ways are our ways. God&#8217;s thoughts are our thoughts. And [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My thoughts are not your thoughts. For as high as the heavens are the above the earth, so are my thoughts above your thoughts, my ways above your ways.&#8221; It should be written over every preacher&#8217;s pulpit. [&#8230;] Because so often we think that God&#8217;s ways are our ways. God&#8217;s thoughts are our thoughts. And we created God in our own image and likeness saying, &#8220;God approves of this. God forbids that. God desires the other.&#8221; [&#8230;] This is where some of the worst atrocities of religion have come from. Because people have used this to give a sacred seal of a divine approval to some of their worst hatreds, loathings, and fears.</p>
<br><b>Karen Armstrong</b> (b. 1944) British author, comparative religion scholar<br>NOW Interview with Bill Moyers, PBS (1 Mar 2002) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript315_full.html#nti:~:text=My%20thoughts%20are%20not%20your%20thoughts.,most%20worst%20hatreds%2C%20loathings%2C%20and%20fears." target="_blank">Source</a>)
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Quoting <a href="http://bible.cc/isaiah/55-8.htm">Isaiah 55:8</a>.


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		<title>Menen, Aubrey -- Rama Retold, Book 3, ch. 7 [Valmiki] (1954)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are three things which are real: God, human folly, and laughter. Since the first two pass our comprehension, we must do what we can with the third.</p>
<p><a href="https://wist.info/wp/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Menen-There-are-three-things-which-are-real-God-human-folly-and-laughter.png"><img alt="" fetchpriority="high" decoding="async" src="https://wist.info/wp/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Menen-There-are-three-things-which-are-real-God-human-folly-and-laughter.png" alt="" width="800" height="525" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-42326" srcset="https://wist.info/wp/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Menen-There-are-three-things-which-are-real-God-human-folly-and-laughter.png 800w, https://wist.info/wp/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Menen-There-are-three-things-which-are-real-God-human-folly-and-laughter-300x197.png 300w, https://wist.info/wp/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Menen-There-are-three-things-which-are-real-God-human-folly-and-laughter-768x504.png 768w" sizes="(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px" /></a></p>
<br><b>Aubrey Menen</b> (1912-1989) British writer, novelist, satirist, theatre critic<br><i>Rama Retold</i>, Book 3, ch. 7 [Valmiki] (1954) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.124761/page/n241/mode/2up?q=%22God%2C+human+folly%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
										<br><br><span class="cite">
						

This book is a modern retelling of part of the <i>Ramayana</i>. <br><br>

A variant of this was inscribed on a silver beer mug given on a gift that President John F Kennedy gave to David Powers:<br><br>

<blockquote>There are three things which are real:<br>
God, human folly and laughter.<br>
The first two are beyond our comprehension<br>
So we must do what we can with the third.</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Simon, Paul -- &#8220;Slip Slidin&#8217; Away&#8221; (1977)</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2017 17:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[God only knows, God makes his plan, The information&#8217;s unavailable to the mortal man. We&#8217;re working our jobs, collect our pay, Believe we&#8217;re gliding down the highway When in fact we&#8217;re slip slidin&#8217; away.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God only knows, God makes his plan,<br />
The information&#8217;s unavailable to the mortal man.<br />
We&#8217;re working our jobs, collect our pay,<br />
Believe we&#8217;re gliding down the highway<br />
When in fact we&#8217;re slip slidin&#8217; away.</p>
<br><b>Paul Simon</b> (b. 1941) American musician, singer-songwriter.<br>&#8220;Slip Slidin&#8217; Away&#8221; (1977) 
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		<title>Adams, Douglas -- Dirk Gently No. 1, Dirk Gently&#8217;s Holistic Detective Agency, ch. 20 [Dirk] (1987)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let us think the unthinkable, let us do the undoable, let us prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let us think the unthinkable, let us do the undoable, let us prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all.</p>
<br><b>Douglas Adams</b> (1952-2001) English author, humorist, screenwriter<br>Dirk Gently No. 1, <i>Dirk Gently&#8217;s Holistic Detective Agency</i>, ch. 20 [Dirk] (1987) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/dirkgentlysholis00adam/page/150/mode/2up?q=%22think+the+unthinkable%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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		<title>Joubert, Joseph -- Pensées [Thoughts], 1797 [tr. Auster (1983)]</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jun 2013 12:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God made life to be lived (the world to be inhabited) and not to be known.</p>
<br><b>Joseph Joubert</b> (1754-1824) French moralist, philosopher, essayist, poet<br><i>Pensées [Thoughts]</i>, 1797 [tr. Auster (1983)] 
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Not included in standard collections of the <em>Pensées</em>.						</span>
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		<title>Tutu, Desmond -- Wallenberg Lecture, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor (29 Oct 2009)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes, of course, you wish you could whisper in God&#8217;s ear, &#8220;God, we know that you are in charge. Why don&#8217;t you make it slightly more obvious?&#8221;</p>
<br><b>Desmond Tutu</b> (1931-2021) South African cleric, Anglican Archbishop of Cape Town, Nobel Laureate<br>Wallenberg Lecture, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor (29 Oct 2009) 
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Video at 20:37.						</span>
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		<title>Butler, Samuel -- The Note-Books of Samuel Butler (1912)</title>
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<br><b>Samuel Butler</b> (1835-1902) English novelist, satirist, scholar<br><i>The Note-Books of Samuel Butler</i> (1912) 
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		<title>Montaigne, Michel de -- Essays, Book 2, ch. 12 (2.12), &#8220;Apology for Raymond Sebond [Apologie de Raimond de Sebonde]&#8221; (1573) [tr. Cotton (1686)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[What, has God put into our hands the keys and most secret springs of his power? Is he obliged not to exceed the limits of our knowledge? [Quoy, Dieu nous a-il mis en main les clefs &#038; les derniers ressorts de sa puissance? S’est-il obligé à n’outrepasser les bornes de nostre science?] This essay appeared [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What, has God put into our hands the keys and most secret springs of his power? Is he obliged not to exceed the limits of our knowledge?</p>
<p><em>[Quoy, Dieu nous a-il mis en main les clefs &#038; les derniers ressorts de sa puissance? S’est-il obligé à n’outrepasser les bornes de nostre science?]</em></p>
<br><b>Michel de Montaigne</b> (1533-1592) French essayist<br><i>Essays</i>, Book 2, ch. 12 (2.12), &#8220;Apology for Raymond Sebond <i>[Apologie de Raimond de Sebonde]&#8221;</i> (1573) [tr. Cotton (1686)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/essaysmichaelde00montgoog/page/168/mode/2up?q=%22obliged+not%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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This essay appeared in the 1st edition (1580) of the <i>Essays</i>, and was expanded in each subsequent edition. This text was in the original.<br><br>

The same translation is given in <a href="https://hyperessays.net/essays/apology-for-raymond-sebond/#:~:text=What!%20has%20God%20put%20into%20our%20hands%20the%20keys%20and%20most%20secret%20springs%20of%20his%20power%3F%20Is%20he%20obliged%20not%20to%20exceed%20the%20limits%20of%20our%20knowledge%3F">Cotton/Hazlitt</a> (1877).<br><br>

(<a href="https://hyperessays.net/gournay/book/II/chapter/12/#:~:text=Quoy%2C%20Dieu%20nous%20a%2Dil%20mis%20en%20main%20les%20clefs%20%26%20les%20derniers%20ressorts%20de%20sa%20puissance%E2%80%AF%3F%20S%E2%80%99est%2Dil%20oblig%C3%A9%20%C3%A0%20n%E2%80%99outrepasser%20les%20bornes%20de%20nostre%20science%E2%80%AF%3F">Source (French)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>What? Hath God delivered into our handes the keyes, and the strongest wardes of his infinite puissance? Hath hee obliged him-selfe not to exceede the boundes of our knowledge?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://hyperessays.net/florio/book/II/chapter/12/#:~:text=What%3F%20Hath%20God%20delivered%20into%20our%20handes%20the%20keyes%2C%20and%20the%20strongest%20wardes%20of%20his%20infinite%20puissance%3F%20Hath%20hee%20obliged%20him%2Dselfe%20not%20to%20exceede%20the%20boundes%20of%20our%20knowledge%3F">Florio</a> (1603)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>What! has God given us knowledge of the keys and the uttermost extent of his power? has he bound himself not to go beyond the limits of our understanding?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Book_I_continued_Book_II/x5vvSyAeA5AC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22given%20us%20knowledge%22">Ives</a> (1925)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>What! has God put into our hands the keys and most secret springs of His power? Has He bound Himself not to trespass beyond the limits of our knowledge?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Essays_of_Michel_de_Montaigne/cncGAQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22has%20god%22">Zeitlin</a> (1934)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>What! Has God placed in our hands the keys and ultimate springs of his power? Has he pledged himself not to overstep the bounds of our knowledge? <br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/completeworksofm0000mont/page/388/mode/2up?q=%22pledged+himself%22">Frame</a> (1943)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>What! Has God placed in our hands the keys to the ultimate principles of his power? Did he bind himself not to venture beyond the limits of human knowledge?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/the-complete-essays-montaigne-michel-de-1533-1592/page/585/mode/2up?q=%22venture+beyond%22">Screech</a> (1987)]</blockquote><br>
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		<title>Pratchett, Terry -- Good Omens, 6. &#8220;Saturday&#8221; (1990) [with Neil Gaiman]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;From what I remember,&#8221; replied Crowley, thoughtfully, &#8220;&#8211; and we were never actually on what you might call speaking terms &#8212; He wasn&#8217;t exactly one for a straight answer. In fact, in fact, He&#8217;d never answer at all. He&#8217;d just smile, as if He knew something that you didn&#8217;t.&#8221; &#8220;And of course that&#8217;s true,&#8221; said [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="tab">&#8220;From what I remember,&#8221; replied Crowley, thoughtfully, &#8220;&#8211; and we were never actually on what you might call speaking terms &#8212; He wasn&#8217;t exactly one for a straight answer. In fact, in fact, He&#8217;d never answer at all.  He&#8217;d just <i>smile</i>, as if He knew something that you didn&#8217;t.&#8221;<br />
<span class="tab">&#8220;And of course that&#8217;s true,&#8221; said the angel. &#8220;Otherwise, what&#8217;d be the point?&#8221;</p>
<br><b>Terry Pratchett</b> (1948-2015) English author<br><i>Good Omens</i>, 6. &#8220;Saturday&#8221; (1990) [with Neil Gaiman] 
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;I mean, maybe you just want to see how it all turns out. Maybe it&#8217;s all part of a great big ineffable plan. All of it. You, me, him, everything. Some great big test to see if what you&#8217;ve built all works properly, eh? You start thinking: it can&#8217;t be a great cosmic game of [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="tab">&#8220;I mean, maybe you just want to see how it all turns out.  Maybe it&#8217;s all part of a great big ineffable plan.  All of it.  You, me, him, everything.  Some great big test to see if what you&#8217;ve built all works properly, eh?  You start thinking:  it <i>can&#8217;t</i> be a great cosmic game of chess, it <i>has</i> to be just very complicated Solitaire.  And don&#8217;t bother to answer.  If we could understand, we wouldn&#8217;t be us.  Because it&#8217;s all &#8212; all &#8211;&#8221;<br />
<span class="tab">INEFFABLE, said the figure feeding the ducks.</span></span></p>
<br><b>Terry Pratchett</b> (1948-2015) English author<br><i>Good Omens</i>, 7. &#8220;Sunday&#8221; (1990) [with Neil Gaiman] 
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Crowley speculating to Aziraphale about God's motivations in creating a flawed Universe.						</span>
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		<title>Pratchett, Terry -- Good Omens, 2. &#8220;Eleven Years Ago&#8221; (1990) [with Neil Gaiman]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[God moves in extremely mysterious, not to say, circuitous ways. God does not play dice with the universe; He plays an ineffable game of His own devising, which might be compared, from the perspective of any of the other players (i.e., everybody), to being involved in an obscure and complex version of poker in a [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God moves in extremely mysterious, not to say, circuitous ways. God does not play dice with the universe; He plays an ineffable game of His own devising, which might be compared, from the perspective of any of the other players (i.e., everybody), to being involved in an obscure and complex version of poker in a pitch-dark room, with blank cards, for infinite stakes, with a Dealer who won&#8217;t tell you the rules, and who <i>smiles all the time.</i></p>
<br><b>Terry Pratchett</b> (1948-2015) English author<br><i>Good Omens</i>, 2. &#8220;Eleven Years Ago&#8221; (1990) [with Neil Gaiman] 
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		<title>Pratchett, Terry -- Good Omens, 6. &#8220;Saturday&#8221; (1990) [with Neil Gaiman]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you take the long view, the universe is just something small and round, like those water-filled balls which produce a miniature snowstorm when you shake them.* * Although, unless the ineffable plan is a lot more ineffable than it&#8217;s given credit for, it does not have a giant plastic snowman at the bottom.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you take the long view, the universe is just something small and round, like those water-filled balls which produce a miniature snowstorm when you shake them.<sup>*</sup></p>
<p><sup>* Although, unless the ineffable plan is a lot more ineffable than it&#8217;s given credit for, it does not have a giant plastic snowman at the bottom.</sup></p>
<br><b>Terry Pratchett</b> (1948-2015) English author<br><i>Good Omens</i>, 6. &#8220;Saturday&#8221; (1990) [with Neil Gaiman] 
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;But the Great Plan can only be a tiny part of the overall ineffability,&#8221; said Crowley. &#8220;You can&#8217;t be certain that what&#8217;s happening right now isn&#8217;t exactly right, from an ineffable point of view.&#8221; &#8220;It izz written!&#8221; bellowed Beelzebub. &#8220;But it might be written differently somewhere else,&#8221; said Crowley. &#8220;Where you can&#8217;t read it.&#8221; &#8220;In [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="tab">&#8220;But the Great Plan can only be a tiny part of the overall ineffability,&#8221; said Crowley. &#8220;You can&#8217;t be certain that what&#8217;s happening right now isn&#8217;t exactly right, from an ineffable point of view.&#8221;<br />
<span class="tab">&#8220;It izz written!&#8221; bellowed Beelzebub.<br />
<span class="tab">&#8220;But it might be written differently somewhere else,&#8221; said Crowley. &#8220;Where you can&#8217;t read it.&#8221;<br />
<span class="tab">&#8220;In bigger letters,&#8221; said Aziraphale.<br />
<span class="tab">&#8220;Underlined,&#8221; Crowley added.<br />
<span class="tab">&#8220;Twice,&#8221; suggested Aziraphale.</p>
<br><b>Terry Pratchett</b> (1948-2015) English author<br><i>Good Omens</i>, 6. &#8220;Saturday&#8221; (1990) [with Neil Gaiman] 
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