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		<title>Greenwood, Kerry -- Phryne Fisher, Book 18, Dead Man&#8217;s Chest, ch. 13 (2010)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lust was a reliable emotion, but greed was altogether simpler to satisfy and you got to keep your clothes on.</p>
<br><b>Kerry Greenwood</b> (b. 1954) Australian author and lawyer<br>Phryne Fisher, Book 18, <i>Dead Man&#8217;s Chest</i>, ch. 13 (2010) 
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		<title>Euripides -- Medea [Μήδεια], l.  633ff, Second Stasimon, Strophe 1 (431 BC) [tr. Luschnig (2007)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[CHORUS: Never, oh goddess, let fly at me an inescapable arrow from your golden bow, after you drench it in desire. [ΚΥΚΛΩΨ: μήποτ᾽, ὦ δέσποιν᾽, ἐπ᾽ ἐμοὶ χρυσέων τόξων ἀφείης ἱμέρῳ χρίσασ᾽ ἄφυκτον οἰστόν.] Addressing Aphrodite/Venus. (Source (Greek)). Other translations: Thy wrath, O Venus, still forbear, Nor at my tender bosom aim That venom&#8217;d arrow, [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">CHORUS: Never, oh goddess, let fly at me an inescapable arrow<br />
from your golden bow, after you drench it in desire.</p>
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<p class="hangingindent">[ΚΥΚΛΩΨ: μήποτ᾽, ὦ δέσποιν᾽, ἐπ᾽ ἐμοὶ χρυσέων<br />
τόξων ἀφείης ἱμέρῳ<br />
χρίσασ᾽ ἄφυκτον οἰστόν.]</p>
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<br><b>Euripides</b> (485?-406? BC) Greek tragic dramatist<br><i>Medea</i> [Μήδεια], l.  633ff, Second Stasimon, Strophe 1 (431 BC) [tr. Luschnig (2007)] 
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Addressing Aphrodite/Venus.<br><br>

(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0113%3Acard%3D627#:~:text=%CE%BC%CE%AE%CF%80%CE%BF%CF%84%E1%BE%BD%2C,%E1%BC%84%CF%86%CF%85%CE%BA%CF%84%CE%BF%CE%BD%20%CE%BF%E1%BC%B0%CF%83%CF%84%CF%8C%CE%BD.">Source (Greek)</a>). Other translations: <br><br>

<blockquote>Thy wrath, O Venus, still forbear, <br>
Nor at my tender bosom aim <br>
That venom'd arrow, ever wont to inspire, <br>
Wing'd from thy golden bow, the pangs of keen desire.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/nineteentragedi01wodhgoog/page/276/mode/2up?q=%22May+I+in+modesty+delight%22#:~:text=Thy%20wrath%2C,tender%20bosom%20aim">Wodhull</a> (1782)]  </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But, never from thy golden bow, <br>
May I beneath the shaft expire! <br>
Whose creeping venom, sure and slow, <br>
Awakes an all-consuming fire: <br>
Ye racking doubts! ye jealous fears! <br>
With others wage internal war; <br>
Repentance! source of future tears, <br>
From me be ever distant far!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/completepoetical0000byro/page/56/mode/2up?q=%22+golden+bow%2C%22">Byron</a> (1807)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Ne'er from thy golden bow, Queen of soft joy,<br>
Steep'd in desire thy shafts 'gainst me employ!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Bacch%C3%A6_Ion_Alcestis_Medea_Hippolytu/L8tCAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22from%20thy%20golden%20bow%22">Potter</a> (1814)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Oh never, queen, I pray,<br>
Drive from thy golden bow into my heart<br>
The escapeless passion-poisoned dart.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Medea_(Webster_1868)#:~:text=Oh%20never%2C%20queen%2C%20I%20pray%2C%0ADrive%20from%20thy%20golden%20bow%20into%20my%20heart%0AThe%20escapeless%20passion%2Dpoisoned%20dart.">Webster</a> (1868)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Never, O never, lady mine, discharge at me from thy golden bow a shaft invincible, in passion’s venom dipped.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Plays_of_Euripides_(Coleridge)/Medea#:~:text=Never%2C%20O%20never%2C%20lady%20mine%2C%20discharge%20at%20me%20from%20thy%20golden%20bow%20a%20shaft%20invincible%2C%20in%20passion%E2%80%99s%20venom%20dipped.">Coleridge</a> (1891)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Never, O my mistress, mayest thou send forth against me from thy golden bow thy inevitable shaft, having steeped it in desire. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/15081/pg15081-images.html#MEDEA:~:text=Never%2C%20O%20my%20mistress%2C%20mayest%20thou%20send%20forth%20against%20me%20from%20thy%20golden%20bow%20thy%20inevitable%20shaft%2C%20having%20steeped%20it%20in%20desire.">Buckley</a> (1892)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Not upon me, O Queen, do thou aim from thy bow all-golden<br>
The arrow desire-envenomed that none may avoid -- not on me!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Tragedies_of_Euripides_(Way)/Medea#:~:text=Not%20upon%20me%2C%20O%20Queen%2C%20do%20thou%20aim%20from%20thy%20bow%20all%2Dgolden%0AThe%20arrow%20desire%2Denvenomed%20that%20none%20may%20avoid%E2%80%94not%20on%20me!">Way</a> (Loeb) (1894)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Loose not on me, O Holder of man's heart,<br>
<span class="tab">Thy golden quiver,<br>
Nor steep in poison of desire the dart<br>
<span class="tab">That heals not ever.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/35451/pg35451-images.html#:~:text=Loose%20not%20on%20me%2C%20O%20Holder%20of%20man%27s%20heart%2C%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20Thy%20golden%20quiver%2C%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20Nor%20steep%20in%20poison%20of%20desire%20the%20dart%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20That%20heals%20not%20ever.">Murray</a> (1906)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O goddess, never on me let loose the unerring<br>
Shaft of your bow in the poison of desire.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/euripides-medea-warner.ocr/page/78/mode/2up?q=%22me+let+loose%22">Warner</a> (1944)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Never, Queen Aphrodite,<br>
Loose against me from your golden bow,<br>
Dipped in sweetness of desire,<br>
Your inescapable arrow!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/medeaotherplays0000euri/page/36/mode/2up?q=%22Queen+Aphrodite%22">Vellacott</a> (1963)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Mistress, never use me as a target, shooting golden arrows<br>
Tipped with desire, unerring in aim.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/euripides-medea-podlecki_20220818/page/41/mode/2up?q=shooting">Podlecki</a> (1989)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Never, o goddess, may you smear with desire one of your ineluctable arrows and let it fly against my heart from your golden bow!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0114%3Acard%3D627#:~:text=Never%2C%20o%20goddess%2C%20may%20you%20smear%20with%20desire%20one%20of%20your%20ineluctable%20arrows%20and%20let%20it%20fly%20against%20my%20heart%20%5B635%5D%20from%20your%20golden%20bow!">Kovacs</a> (Loeb) (1994)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Oh never, my lady, may you fire at me from your golden bow the unerring arrow you have poisoned with desire!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/medeaotherplays0000euri_d3q9/page/66/mode/2up?q=%22golden+bow%22">Davie</a> (1996)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Oh, Lady Aphrodite!<br>
I sincerely hope you don’t shoot any of your unfailing golden arrows, dipped in lust, at me!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://bacchicstage.wpcomstaging.com/euripides/medea/#:~:text=Oh%2C%20Lady%20Aphrodite!%0AI%20sincerely%20hope%20you%20don%E2%80%99t%20shoot%20any%20of%20your%20unfailing%20golden%20arrows%2C%20dipped%20in%20lust%20at%20me!">Theodoridis</a> (2004)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Goddess, I pray you never strike me<br>
with one of those poisoned arrows<br>
shot from your golden bow.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://johnstoniatexts.x10host.com/euripides/medeahtml.html#:~:text=Goddess%2C%20I%20pray%20you%20never%20strike%20me%0Awith%20one%20of%20those%20poisoned%20arrows%0Ashot%20from%20your%20golden%20bow.">Johnston</a> (2008)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Mistress, never shoot me from your golden bow an inescapable arrow anointed with desire. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Euripides_Medea/kNBUEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22mistress%20never%20shoot%22">Ewans</a> (2022)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Never, mistress, discharge at me from your golden bow a shaft inescapable, in passion’s venom dipped.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://chs.harvard.edu/primary-source/euripides-medea/#:~:text=When%20loves%20come,passion%E2%80%99s%20venom%20dipped.">Coleridge / Ceragioli / Nagy / Hour25</a>]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Never, o goddess, may you smear with desire one of your inescapable arrows and let it fly against my heart from your golden bow!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://pressbooks.bccampus.ca/greekromanmyth/chapter/medea/#euripides:~:text=Never%2C%20o%20goddess%2C%20may%20you%20smear%20with%20desire%20one%20of%20your%20inescapable%20arrows%20and%20let%20it%20fly%20against%20my%20heart%20%5B635%5D%20from%20your%20golden%20bow!">Kovacs / Zhang / Rogak</a>]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Euripides -- Medea [Μήδεια], l.  627ff, Second Stasimon, Strophe 1 (431 BC) [tr. Vellacott (1963)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[CHORUS: Visitations of love that come Raging and violent on a man Bring him neither good repute nor goodness. But if Aphrodite descends in gentleness No other goddess brings such delight. [ΚΥΚΛΩΨ: ἔρωτες ὑπὲρ μὲν ἄγαν ἐλθόντες οὐκ εὐδοξίαν οὐδ᾽ ἀρετὰν παρέδωκαν ἀνδράσιν: εἰ δ᾽ ἅλις ἔλθοι Κύπρις, οὐκ ἄλλα θεὸς εὔχαρις οὕτως.] (Source (Greek)). [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">CHORUS: Visitations of love that come<br />
Raging and violent on a man<br />
Bring him neither good repute nor goodness.<br />
But if Aphrodite descends in gentleness<br />
No other goddess brings such delight.</p>
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<p class="hangingindent">[ΚΥΚΛΩΨ: ἔρωτες ὑπὲρ μὲν ἄγαν ἐλθόντες οὐκ εὐδοξίαν<br />
οὐδ᾽ ἀρετὰν παρέδωκαν ἀνδράσιν: εἰ δ᾽ ἅλις ἔλθοι<br />
Κύπρις, οὐκ ἄλλα θεὸς εὔχαρις οὕτως.]</p>
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<br><b>Euripides</b> (485?-406? BC) Greek tragic dramatist<br><i>Medea</i> [Μήδεια], l.  627ff, Second Stasimon, Strophe 1 (431 BC) [tr. Vellacott (1963)] 
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(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0113%3Acard%3D627#:~:text=%E1%BC%94%CF%81%CF%89%CF%84%CE%B5%CF%82%20%E1%BD%91%CF%80%E1%BD%B2%CF%81%20%CE%BC%E1%BD%B2%CE%BD,%CE%B5%E1%BD%94%CF%87%CE%B1%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%82%20%CE%BF%E1%BD%95%CF%84%CF%89%CF%82.">Source (Greek)</a>). Other translations: <br><br>

<blockquote>Th' immoderate Loves in their career, <br>
Nor glory nor esteem attends, <br>
But when the Cyprian Queen descends <br>
Benignant from her starry sphere. <br>
No Goddess can more justly claim<br>
<span class="tab">From man the grateful prayer. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/nineteentragedi01wodhgoog/page/276/mode/2up?q=%22Th%27+immoderate+Loves%22">Wodhull</a> (1782)]  </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>When fierce conflicting passions urge <br>
<span class="tab">The breast where love is wont to glow,<br>
What mind can stem the stormy surge <br>
<span class="tab"><span class="tab">Which rolls the tide of human woe?<br>
The hope of praise, the dread of shame, <br>
<span class="tab">Can rouse the tortur’d breast no more;<br>
The wild desire, the guilty flame, <br>
<span class="tab"><span class="tab">Absorbs each wish it felt before.<br>
But if Affection gently thrills<br>
<span class="tab">The soul, by purer dreams possest, <br>
The pleasing balm of mortal ills<br>
<span class="tab"><span class="tab">In love can sooth the aching breast: <br>
If thus thou comest in disguise,<br>
<span class="tab">Fair Venus! from thy native heaven,<br>
What heart, unfeeling, would despise<br>
<span class="tab"><span class="tab">The sweetest boon the Gods have given?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/completepoetical0000byro/page/56/mode/2up?q=%22fierce+conflicting%22">Byron</a> (1807)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>When with a wild impetuous sway<br>
<span class="tab">The Loves come rushing on the breast,<br>
Each virtuous thought is rent away,<br>
<span class="tab">Each breath of fame supprest.<br>
But when, confess'd her gentle reign,<br>
<span class="tab">Enchanting Venus deigns t'appear,<br>
<span class="tab">Of all the pow'rs of heav'n most dear,<br>
She leads the Graces in her train.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Bacch%C3%A6_Ion_Alcestis_Medea_Hippolytu/L8tCAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22impetuous%20sway%22">Potter</a> (1814)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The wild loves that force eager way<br>
Nor worth nor fame on man confer,<br>
But if come Cypris with meet sway<br>
There is no gracious god like her.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Medea_(Webster_1868)#:~:text=The%20wild%20loves,god%20like%20her.">Webster</a> (1868)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>When in excess and past all limits Love doth come, he brings not glory or repute to man; but if the Cyprian queen in moderate might approach, no goddess is so full of charm as she. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Plays_of_Euripides_(Coleridge)/Medea#:~:text=When%20in%20excess%20and%20past%20all%20limits%20Love%20doth%20come%2C%20he%20brings%20not%20glory%20or%20repute%20to%20man%3B%20but%20if%20the%20Cyprian%20queen%20in%20moderate%20might%20approach%2C%20no%20goddess%20is%20so%20full%20of%20charm%20as%20she.">Coleridge</a> (1891)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The loves, when they come too impetuously, have given neither good report nor virtue among men, but if Venus come with moderation, no other Goddess is so benign.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/15081/pg15081-images.html#MEDEA:~:text=The%20loves%2C%20when%20they%20come%20too%20impetuously%2C%20have%20given%20neither%20good%20report%20nor%20virtue%20among%20men%2C%20but%20if%20Venus%20come%20with%20moderation%2C%20no%20other%20Goddess%20is%20so%20benign.">Buckley</a> (1892)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Love bringeth nor glory nor honour to men when it cometh restraining<br>
Not its unscanted excess: but if Kypris, in measure raining<br>
<span class="tab">Her joy, cometh down, there is none other Goddess so winsome as she.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Tragedies_of_Euripides_(Way)/Medea#:~:text=Love%20bringeth%20nor,winsome%20as%20she.">Way</a> (Loeb) (1894)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Alas, the Love that falleth like a flood,<br>
<span class="tab">Strong-winged and transitory:<br>
Why praise ye him? What beareth he of good<br>
<span class="tab">To man, or glory?<br>
Yet Love there is that moves in gentleness,<br>
Heart-filling, sweetest of all powers that bless.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/35451/pg35451-images.html#:~:text=Alas%2C%20the%20Love%20that%20falleth%20like%20a%20flood%2C%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20Strong%2Dwinged%20and%20transitory%3A%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20Why%20praise%20ye%20him%3F%20What%20beareth%20he%20of%20good%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20To%20man%2C%20or%20glory%3F%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20Yet%20Love%20there%20is%20that%20moves%20in%20gentleness%2C%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20Heart%2Dfilling%2C%20sweetest%20of%20all%20powers%20that%20bless.">Murray</a> (1906)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>When love is in excess<br>
It brings a man no honor<br>
Nor any worthiness.<br>
But if in moderation Cypris comes,<br>
There is no other power at all so gracious.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/euripides-medea-warner.ocr/page/78/mode/2up?q=%22love+is+in+excess%22">Warner</a> (1944)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>When the Loves descend in full force they never enhance <br>
Men’s fame or virtue, but if Aphrodite approaches <br>
With reserve, there is no more gracious goddess.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/euripides-medea-podlecki_20220818/page/41/mode/2up?q=%22full+force%22">Podlecki</a> (1989)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Loves that come to us in excess bring no good name or goodness to men. If Aphrodite comes in moderation, no other goddess brings such happiness.<br> 
[tr. <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0114%3Acard%3D627#:~:text=Loves%20that%20come%20to%20us%20in%20excess%20bring%20no%20good%20name%20or%20goodness%20to%20men.%20%5B630%5D%20If%20Aphrodite%20comes%20in%20moderation%2C%20no%20other%20goddess%20brings%20such%20happiness.">Kovacs</a> (Loeb) (1994)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>When passions come upon men in strength beyond due measure, their gift is neither one of glory nor of greatness. But if the Cyprian tempers her visit, no other goddess is so gracious. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/medeaotherplays0000euri_d3q9/page/66/mode/2up?q=%22when+passions+come+upon%22">Davie</a> (1996)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>When Aphrodite arrives in the hearts of people, with no fuss and with no exaggerated madness, she is a very enjoyable visitor but, alas, overwhelming lust brings neither honour nor glory to any one.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://bacchicstage.wpcomstaging.com/euripides/medea/#:~:text=When%20Aphrodite%20arrives%20in%20the%20hearts%20of%20people%2C%20with%20no%20fuss%20and%20with%20no%20exaggerated%20madness%2C%20she%20is%20a%20very%20enjoyable%20visitor%20but%2C%20alas%2C%20overwhelming%20lust%20brings%20neither%20honour%20nor%20glory%20to%20any%20one.">Theodoridis</a> (2004)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Love coming on too strong <br>
does not give glory or virtue <br>
to men. But if Kypris comes in moderation, <br>
no other goddess is so gracious. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://diotima-doctafemina.org/translations/greek/euripides-medea/#:~:text=Love%20coming%20on%20too%20strong%C2%A0%0Adoes%20not%20give%20glory%20or%20virtue%C2%A0%0Ato%20men.%5B27%5D%C2%A0But%20if%20Kypris%20comes%20in%20moderation%2C%C2%A0630%0Ano%20other%20goddess%20is%20so%20gracious.%C2%A0">Luschnig</a> (2007)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Erotic love with too much passion<br>
brings with it no fine reputation,<br>
and nothing virtuous to men. <br>
But if Aphrodite comes in smaller doses,<br>
no other god is so desirable.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://johnstoniatexts.x10host.com/euripides/medeahtml.html#:~:text=Erotic%20love%20with%20too%20much%20passion%0Abrings%20with%20it%20no%20fine%20reputation%2C%0Aand%20nothing%20virtuous%20to%20men.%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%20%C2%A0750%0ABut%20if%20Aphrodite%20comes%20in%20smaller%20doses%2C%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%20%5B630%5D%0Ano%20other%20god%20is%20so%20desirable.">Johnston</a> (2008)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Excess of passion brings no glory or honour to men.<br>
[ed. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Dictionary_of_Classical_Greek_Quotatio/knv1DwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22excess%20of%20passion%20brings%20no%20glory%22">Yeroulanos</a> (2016)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Love that comes in great excess does not grant reputation or excellence; but if Aphrodite comes more gently, there is no other god who gives such great pleasure. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Euripides_Medea/kNBUEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22love%20that%20comes%20in%22">Ewans</a> (2022)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>When loves come excessive and past all limit, they bring neither good repute nor high ideals <em>[aretē]</em> to men; but if Aphrodite approaches in moderate strength, no goddess is so full of charm as she. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://chs.harvard.edu/primary-source/euripides-medea/#:~:text=When%20loves%20come,passion%E2%80%99s%20venom%20dipped.">Coleridge / Ceragioli / Nagy / Hour25</a>]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Montaigne, Michel de -- Essays, Book 3, ch.  5 (3.5), &#8220;Of Some Verses of Virgil [Sur des vers de Virgile]&#8221; (1586) [tr. Cotton/Hazlitt (1877)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see no marriages where the conjugal compatibility sooner fails than those that we contract upon the account of beauty and amorous desires; there should be more solid and constant foundation, and they should proceed with greater circumspection; this furious ardor is worth nothing. [Je ne voy point de mariages qui faillent plustost, &#038; se [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see no marriages where the conjugal compatibility sooner fails than those that we contract upon the account of beauty and amorous desires; there should be more solid and constant foundation, and they should proceed with greater circumspection; this furious ardor is worth nothing.</p>
<p><em>[Je ne voy point de mariages qui faillent plustost, &#038; se troublent, que ceux qui s’acheminent par la beauté, &#038; desirs amoureux : Il y faut des fondemens plus solides, &#038; plus constans, &#038; y marcher d’aguet : cette bouillante allegresse n’y vaut rien. ]</em></p>
<br><b>Michel de Montaigne</b> (1533–1592) French essayist<br><i>Essays</i>, Book 3, ch.  5 (3.5), &#8220;Of Some Verses of Virgil <i>[Sur des vers de Virgile]</i>&#8221; (1586) [tr. Cotton/Hazlitt (1877)] 
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This essay (and passage) first appeared in the 2nd (1588) edition.<br><br>

(<a href="https://hyperessays.net/gournay/book/III/chapter/5/#:~:text=Je%20ne%20voy%20point%20de%20mariages%20qui%20faillent%20plustost%2C%20%26%20se%20troublent%2C%20que%20ceux%20qui%20s%E2%80%99acheminent%20par%20la%20beaut%C3%A9%2C%20%26%20desirs%20amoureux%C2%A0%3A%20Il%20y%20faut%20des%20fondemens%20plus%20solides%2C%20%26%20plus%20constans%2C%20%26%20y%20marcher%20d%E2%80%99aguet%C2%A0%3A%20cette%20bouillante%20allegresse%20n%E2%80%99y%20vaut%20rien.">Source (French)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>I see no mariages faile sooner, or more troubled, then such as are concluded for beauties sake, and hudled up for amorous desires. There are required more solide foundations, and more constant grounds, and a more warie marching to it: this earnest youthly heate serveth to no purpose.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://hyperessays.net/florio/book/III/chapter/5/#:~:text=I%20see%20no%20mariages%20faile%20sooner%2C%20or%20more%20troubled%2C%20then%20such%20as%20are%20concluded%20for%20beauties%20sake%2C%20and%20hudled%20up%20for%20amorous%20desires.">Florio</a> (1603)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I see no Marriages where the conjugal Intelligence sooner fails, than those that we contract upon the account of Beauty and amorous Desires; there should be more solid and constant Foundation, and they should proceed with greater Cicumspection; this furious Ardour is worth nothing.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/essaysmichaelse00cottgoog/page/86/mode/2up?q=%22I+fee+up+M%5E%5Eges+where%22">Cotton</a> (1686)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I see no marriages that sooner are troubled and fail than those that progress by means of beauty and amorous desires. It needs more solid and stable foundations, and we need to go at it circumspectly; this ebullient ardor is no good for it.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/completeworksofm0000mont/page/646/mode/2up?q=%22i+see+no+marriages%22">Frame</a> (1943)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I know no marriages which fail and come to grief more quickly than those which are set on foot by beauty and amorous desire. Marriage requires foundations which are solid and durable; and we must keep on the alert. That boiling rapture is no good at all.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/the-complete-essays-montaigne-michel-de-1533-1592/page/959/mode/2up?q=%22know+no+marriages%22">Screech</a> (1987)]</blockquote><br>




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		<title>Horace -- Epistles [Epistularum, Letters], Book 1, ep.  1 &#8220;To Maecenas,&#8221; l.  38ff (1.1.38-40) (20 BC) [tr. Creech (1684)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Rash, the Lazy, Lover, none&#8217;s so wild, But may be tame, and may be wisely mild, If they consult true Vertue&#8217;s Rules with care, And lend to good advice a patient ear. [Invidus, iracundus, iners, vinosus, amator, nemo adeo ferus est, ut non mitescere possit, si modo culturae patientem commodet aurem.] (Source (Latin)). Other [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Rash, the Lazy, Lover, none&#8217;s so wild,<br />
But may be tame, and may be wisely mild,<br />
If they consult true Vertue&#8217;s Rules with care,<br />
And lend to good advice a patient ear.</p>
<p><em>[Invidus, iracundus, iners, vinosus, amator,<br />
nemo adeo ferus est, ut non mitescere possit,<br />
si modo culturae patientem commodet aurem.]</em></p>
<br><b>Horace</b> (65–8 BC) Roman poet, satirist, soldier, politician [Quintus Horatius Flaccus]<br><i>Epistles [Epistularum, Letters]</i>, Book 1, ep.  1 &#8220;To Maecenas,&#8221; l.  38ff (1.1.38-40) (20 BC) [tr. Creech (1684)] 
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(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2008.01.0539%3Abook%3D1%3Apoem%3D1#:~:text=invidus%2C%20iracundus,commodet%20aurem.">Source (Latin)</a>). Other translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>Th'envyouse, angrye, drunken, slowe, the lover lewde and wylde<br>
None so outeragiouse, but in tyme he maye become full mylde.<br>
If he to good advertisemente will retche his listenyng eare,<br>
And meekely byde with pacience the counsaile he shall heare.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A03670.0001.001/1:7?rgn=div1;view=fulltext#:~:text=Th%27enuyouse%2C%20angrye%2C%20drunken,he%20shall%20heare.">Drant</a> (1567)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The Envious, Wrathful, Sluggish, Drunkard, Lover:<br>
No Beast so wild, but may be tam'd, if he<br>
Will unto Precepts listen patiently.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?cc=eebo;c=eebo;idno=a44478.0001.001;node=A44478.0001.001:8;seq=1;rgn=div1;view=text#:~:text=T%E2%80%A2e,Precepts%20listen%20patiently.">Fanshawe</a>; ed. Brome (1666)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The slave to envy, anger, wine, or love, <br>
The wretch of sloth, its excellence shall prove: <br>
Fierceness itself shall hear its rage away. <br>
When listening calmly to the instructive lay.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/satiresepistlesi00hora/page/164/mode/2up?q=%22envy%2C+anger%22">Francis</a> (1747)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The heart with envy cold -- with anger hot, <br>
The libertine, the sluggard and the sot -- <br>
No wretch so savage, but, if he resign <br>
His soul to culture, wisdom can refine.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Epodes_Satires_and_Epistles_of_Horac/TPgDAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22vice%20to%20renounce%22">Howes</a> (1845)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The envious, the choleric, the indolent, the slave to wine, to women -- none is so savage that he can not be tamed, if he will only lend a patient ear to discipline.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_works_of_Horace/First_Book_of_Epistles#:~:text=The%20envious%2C%20the%20choleric%2C%20the%20indolent%2C%20the%20slave%20to%20wine%2C%20to%20women%E2%80%94none%20is%20so%20savage%20that%20he%20can%20not%20be%20tamed%2C%20if%20he%20will%20only%20lend%20a%20patient%20ear%20to%20discipline.">Smart/Buckley</a> (1853)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Run through the list of faults; whate'er you be,<br>
Coward, pickthank, spitfire, drunkard, debauchee,<br>
Submit to culture patiently, you'll find<br>
Her charms can humanize the rudest mind.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Satires,_Epistles_%26_Art_of_Poetry_of_Horace/Ep1-1#:~:text=Run%20through%20the%20list%20of%20faults%3B%20whate%27er%20you%20be%2C%0ACoward%2C%20pickthank%2C%20spitfire%2C%20drunkard%2C%20debauchee%2C%0ASubmit%20to%20culture%20patiently%2C%20you%27ll%20find%0AHer%20charms%20can%20humanize%20the%20rudest%20mind.">Conington</a> (1874)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>However coarse in grain a man may be,<br>
Drone, brawler, makebate, drunkard, debauchee,<br>
A patient ear to culture let him lend,<br>
He's sure to turn out gentler in the end.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/worksofhorace02horauoft/page/266/mode/2up?q=%22coarse+in+grain%22">Martin</a> (1881)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Are you envious, irascible, inert, given to wine or immorality? No person is so savage that he cannot grow milder, provided he lend a patient ear to civilization's culture.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Works_of_Horace/-f8pAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22unable%20to%20see%22">Elgood</a> (1893)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The slave to envy, anger, sloth, wine, lewdness -- no one is so savage that he cannot be tamed, if only he lend to treatment a patient ear.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/satiresepistlesa00horauoft/page/254/mode/2up?q=%22slave+to+envy%22">Fairclough</a> (Loeb) (1926)]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>The envious, passionate, slothful, drunken, lewd — <br>
No man so savage but he drops the mood,<br>
Lend he but patient ear to counsel good.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/completeworksofh0000casp_g2w3/page/306/mode/2up?q=%22the+envious%2C+passionate%22">Murison</a>, ed. Kraemer (1936)]</blockquote><br>





<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">The envious man,<br>
The sorehead, the lazy lout, the drinker, the lover:<br>
No one is such a beast as not to be tamed<br>
By lending a patient ear to moral advice.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/satiresanndepist0000hora/page/166/mode/2up?q=sorehead">Palmer Bovie</a> (1959)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Envious, wrathful, lazy, drunken men, lewd lovers too, <br>
none is so thoroughly wild a beast he can't be tamed, <br>
if only he'll lend for cultivation's sake an open ear.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/horacessatiresep0000hora/page/50/mode/2up?q=%22envious%2C+wrathful%22">Fuchs</a> (1977)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Jealousy,<br>
Anger, laziness, drunkenness, lust: everything<br>
Can be cured, nothing is so wild <br>
That patient teaching will ever fail you.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/essentialhoraceo0000hora/page/198/mode/2up?q=%22anger%2C+laziness%22">Raffel</a> (1983)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Nobody's so far gone in savagery --<br>
A slave of envy, wrath, lust, drunkenness, sloth --<br>
That he can't be civilized, if he'll only listen<br>
Patiently to the doctor's good advice.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Epistles_of_Horace/FUyHO-GZ9A8C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22gone%20in%20savagery%22">Ferry</a> (2001)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Whether he’s envious, choleric, indolent, drunken or lustful -- <br>
no one is so unruly that he can’t become more gentle,<br>
if only he listens with care to what his trainer tells him.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/satiresofhoracep00hora/page/78/mode/2up?q=%22envious%2C+choleric%22">Rudd</a> (2005 ed.)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Envious, irascible, idle, drunken, lustful,<br>
No man’s so savage he can’t be civilised,<br>
If he’ll attend patiently to self-cultivation.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Latin/HoraceEpistlesBkIEpI.php#anchor_Toc98156301:~:text=Envious%2C%20irascible%2C%20idle,to%20self%2Dcultivation.">Kline</a> (2015)]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Moliere -- Tartuffe, or the Hypocrite [Le Tartuffe, ou L&#8217;Imposteur], Act 3, sc. 3 (1669) [tr. Frame (1967)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[My first reaction was to be afraid This ardor was a snare the Devil had laid; And I avoided you as a temptation That might stand in the way of my salvation. But finally I knew, O gracious beauty, That passion need not be at odds with duty, That I can reconcile it with propriety; [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first reaction was to be afraid<br />
This ardor was a snare the Devil had laid;<br />
And I avoided you as a temptation<br />
That might stand in the way of my salvation.<br />
But finally I knew, O gracious beauty,<br />
That passion need not be at odds with duty,<br />
That I can reconcile it with propriety;<br />
And so I yield to it without anxiety.<br />
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<em>[D’abord j’appréhendai que cette ardeur secrète<br />
Ne fût du noir esprit une surprise adroite;<br />
Et même à fuir vos yeux mon cœur se résolut,<br />
Vous croyant un obstacle à faire mon salut.<br />
Mais enfin je connus, ô beauté tout aimable!<br />
Que cette passion peut n’être point coupable,<br />
Que je puis l’ajuster avecque la pudeur;<br />
Et c’est ce qui m’y fait abandonner mon cœur.]</em></p>
<br><b>Molière</b> (1622–1673) French playwright, actor [stage name for Jean-Baptiste Poquelin]<br><i>Tartuffe, or the Hypocrite [Le Tartuffe, ou L&#8217;Imposteur]</i>, Act 3, sc. 3 (1669) [tr. Frame (1967)] 
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Tartuffe plays the "It can't be wrong if it feels so right" seduction card. "<a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/modesty">Modesty</a>" is used here in many of the translations in its meaning of moderate behavior or avoidance of sexual explicitness.<br><br>

(<a href="https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Tartuffe_ou_l%E2%80%99Imposteur/%C3%89dition_Chasles,_1888#:~:text=D%E2%80%99abord%20j%E2%80%99appr%C3%A9hendai%20que,abandonner%20mon%20c%C5%93ur.">Source (French)</a>).  Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>At first I was under Apprehension lest this secret Flame might be a dexterous Surprize of the foul Fiend; and my Heart even resolv'd to avoid your Eyes, believing you an Obstacle to my future Happiness. But at length I perceiv'd, most lovely Beauty, that my passion could not be blameable, that I could reconcile it with Modesty, and this made me abandon my Heart to it.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Works_of_Moliere/6GEzAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22foul%20fiend%22">Clitandre</a> (1672)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>At first I feared that this secret ardour might be nothing but a cunning snare of the foul fiend; and my heart even resolved to fly your presence, thinking that you might be an obstacle to my salvation. But at last I found, oh most lovely beauty, that my passion could not be blameable; that I could reconcile it with modesty; and this made me feely indulge it.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Dramatic_Works_of_Moli%C3%A8re_M%C3%A9licert/vdFMAQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22secret%20ardour%22">Van Laun</a> (1876)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>At first I feared that this secret tenderness might be a skilful assault of the evil one; I event hought I would avoid your presence, fearing you might prove a stumbling-block to my salvation. But I have learnt, O adorable beauty, that my passion need not be a guilty one; that i can reconcile it with modesty; and I have given up my whole soul to it.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Dramatic_Works_of_Moli%C3%A8re_The_force/9KRiy5RyJ-cC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22at%20first%20i%20feared%22">Wall</a> (1879)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>At first I was afraid lest this secret flame might be a subtle surprise of the evil one; and my heart resolved to avoid your eyes as an obstacle to my future happiness; but at length I perceived, most lovely beauty, that: my passion could not be guilty; that I could reconcile it with the rules of modesty, and this made me yield my heart to it. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/comedies00molirich/page/458/mode/2up?q=%22evil+one%22">Mathew</a> (1890)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>At first I feared lest this secret tenderness might be but an artful assault of the evil one; and my heart even resolved to flee from your eyes, fearing you might be a stumbling-block in the way of my salvation. But at last I learnt, ah! most entrancing beauty, that this passion need not be a guilty one, that I cuold reconcile it with modesty, and so I have let my heart give way to it.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Plays_of_Moli%C3%A8re_in_French/ry1zVvUyoCgC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22at%20first%20i%20feared%22">Waller</a> (1903)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>At first I trembled lest this secret love<br>
Might be the Evil Spirit's artful snare;<br>
I even schooled my heart to flee your beauty,<br>
Thinking it was a bar to my salvation.<br>
But soon, enlightened, O all lovely one,<br>
I saw how this my passion may be blameless,<br>
How I may make it fit with modesty,<br>
And thus completely yield my heart to it.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Tartuffe_or_the_Hypocrite#:~:text=At%20first%20I,heart%20to%20it.">Page</a> (1909)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>At first I trembled, lest my secret flame <br>
Should be a stratagem of the Evil One; <br>
Even, I was resolved to flee your presence, <br>
A possible obstacle to my salvation. <br>
But finally I realized, my fair one, <br>
That there need be no guilt in such a passion. <br>
That I can make it chime with modesty; <br>
And so I let my heart follow its bent.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/eightplaysbymoli00moli/page/186/mode/2up?q=%22at+first+i+trembled%22">Bishop</a> (1957)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>At first, I trembled, lest that love should be<br>
A subtle snare that Hell had laid for me;<br>
I vowed to flee the sight of you, eschewing<br>
A rapture that might prove my soul's undoing;<br>
But soon, fair being, I became aware<br>
That my deep passion could be made to square<br>
With rectitude, and with my bounden duty.<br>
I thereupon surrendered to your beauty.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/misanthropetartu00moli/page/252/mode/2up?q=%22i+trembled%22">Wilbur</a> (1963)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>At first I feared that this secret passion was a clever temptation of the Evil One, and I even tried to avoid you, thinking you might be an obstacle to my salvation. But at last, most adorable beauty, I recognized that such love need not be sinful, that I could reconcile it with decency, and I surrendered to it.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/tartuffeandmisan0000moli/page/66/mode/2up?q=%22at+first+i+feared%22">Steiner</a> (2008)] </blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Moliere -- Tartuffe, or the Hypocrite [Le Tartuffe, ou L&#8217;Imposteur], Act 4, sc. 3 (1669) [tr. Wilbur (1963)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[ELMIRE: No, amorous men are gullible. Their conceit So blinds them that they&#8217;re never hard to cheat. [Non; on est aisément dupé par ce qu’on aime. Et l’amour-propre engage à se tromper soi-même.] When her maid is concerned that Tartuffe will see through Elmire&#8217;s stratagem. (Source (French)). Other translations: No, People are easily Dup&#8217;d by [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">ELMIRE: No, amorous men are gullible. Their conceit<br />
So blinds them that they&#8217;re never hard to cheat.</p>
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<p><em>[Non; on est aisément dupé par ce qu’on aime.<br />
Et l’amour-propre engage à se tromper soi-même.]</em></p>
<br><b>Molière</b> (1622–1673) French playwright, actor [stage name for Jean-Baptiste Poquelin]<br><i>Tartuffe, or the Hypocrite [Le Tartuffe, ou L&#8217;Imposteur]</i>, Act 4, sc. 3 (1669) [tr. Wilbur (1963)] 
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When her maid is concerned that Tartuffe will see through Elmire's stratagem.<br><br>

(<a href="https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Tartuffe_ou_l%E2%80%99Imposteur/%C3%89dition_Chasles,_1888#:~:text=Non%C2%A0%3B%20on%20est%20ais%C3%A9ment%20dup%C3%A9%20par%20ce%20qu%E2%80%99on%20aime.%0AEt%20l%E2%80%99amour%2Dpropre%20engage%20%C3%A0%20se%20tromper%20soi%2Dm%C3%AAme.">Source (French)</a>).  Other translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>No, People are easily Dup'd by what they love, and Self-love helps 'em to deceive themselves.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Works_of_Moliere/6GEzAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22no%20people%20are%22">Clitandre</a> (1672)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No; people are easily duped by those whom they love, and conceit is apt to deceive itself.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Dramatic_Works_of_Moli%C3%A8re_M%C3%A9licert/vdFMAQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22easily%20duped%22">Van Laun</a> (1876)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No, we are easily duped by those we love, and we deceive ourselves through our own conceit.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Dramatic_Works_of_Moli%C3%A8re_The_force/9KRiy5RyJ-cC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA322&printsec=frontcover">Wall</a> (1879)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No, people are easily duped by what they like; and self-love helps them to deceive themselves.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/comedies00molirich/page/466/mode/2up?q=%22easily+duped%22">Mathew</a> (1890), 4.2]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No; people are easily duped by those whom they love. Self-love leads the way to self-deceit.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Plays_of_Moli%C3%A8re_in_French/ry1zVvUyoCgC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22easily%20duped%22">Waller</a> (1903)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Oh no! A lover's never hard to cheat,<br>
And self-conceit leads straight to self-deceit.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Tartuffe_or_the_Hypocrite#:~:text=A%20lover%27s%20never%20hard%20to%20cheat%2C%0AAnd%20self%2Dconceit%20leads%20straight%20to%20self%2Ddeceit.">Page</a> (1909)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No, one is easily fooled by one's belovèd,<br>
And self-conceit will end in self-deception.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/eightplaysbymoli00moli/page/200/mode/2up?q=%22one+is+easily+fooled%22">Bishop</a> (1957)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Oh, no! A lover is not hard to cheat,<br>
And self-deception springs from self-conceit.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/tartuffeotherpla0000moli_t9a5/page/304/mode/2up?q=%22lover+is+not%22">Frame</a> (1967)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>He loves me, and he's also vain,<br>
That double drug will dull his brain.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Tartuffe/B4oHEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22elmire%20oh%20yes%22">Bolt</a> (2002)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No, it's easy to be fooled by what we want; our vanity is always ready to betray us.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/tartuffeandmisan0000moli/page/86/mode/2up?q=%22fooled+by+what%22">Steiner</a> (2008)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>We long to be fooled by the one we love,<br>
And pride lends a hand in its own downfall.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Tartuffe/HZ78DwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22elmire%20we%20long%22">Campbell</a> (2013)]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Joubert, Joseph -- Pensées [Thoughts], 1805 entry [tr. Auster (1983)]</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dreams are more amorous than my actions have ever been. </p>
<br><b>Joseph Joubert</b> (1754–1824) French moralist, philosopher, essayist, poet<br><i>Pensées [Thoughts]</i>, 1805 entry [tr. Auster (1983)] 
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I could not find an analog in other translations of the Pensées.
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		<title>Moffat, Steven -- Coupling, 03&#215;02 &#8220;Faithless&#8221; (2002-09-30)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[STEVE: (to Susan) It is not scientifically possible for a man to know what a woman wants. And that&#8217;s not fair, because you always know what we want. PATRICK: We always have the decency to only want one thing. STEVE: And do you ever thank us for making it so simple? PATRICK: Never! (Source (Video) [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">STEVE: <i>(to Susan)</i> It is not scientifically possible for a man to know what a woman wants. And that&#8217;s not fair, because you always know what <em>we</em> want.</p>
<p class="hangingindent">PATRICK: We always have the decency to only want one thing.</p>
<p class="hangingindent">STEVE: And do you ever thank us for making it so simple?</p>
<p class="hangingindent">PATRICK: Never!</p>
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<br><b>Steven Moffat</b> (b. 1961) Scottish television writer, producer<br><i>Coupling</i>, 03&#215;02 &#8220;Faithless&#8221; (2002-09-30) 
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		<description><![CDATA[ELMIRE: However high the passion which inflames us, Still, to confess its power somehow shames us. [Quelque raison qu&#8217;on trouve à l&#8217;amour qui nous dompte, On trouve à l&#8217;avouer toujours un peu de honte.] On women modestly protesting against the advances of lovers. (Source (French)). Alternate translations: Whatever Reason we may find for the Passion [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">ELMIRE: However high the passion which inflames us,<br />
Still, to confess its power somehow shames us.</p>
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<p><em>[Quelque raison qu&#8217;on trouve à l&#8217;amour qui nous dompte,<br />
On trouve à l&#8217;avouer toujours un peu de honte.]</em></p>
<br><b>Molière</b> (1622–1673) French playwright, actor [stage name for Jean-Baptiste Poquelin]<br><i>Tartuffe, or the Hypocrite [Le Tartuffe, ou L&#8217;Imposteur]</i>, Act 4, sc. 5 (1669) [tr. Wilbur (1963)] 
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On women modestly protesting against the advances of lovers.<br><br>

(<a href="https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Tartuffe_ou_l%E2%80%99Imposteur/%C3%89dition_Chasles,_1888#:~:text=Quelque%20raison%20qu%E2%80%99on%20trouve%20%C3%A0%20l%E2%80%99amour%20qui%20nous%20dompte%2C%0AOn%20trouve%20%C3%A0%20l%E2%80%99avouer%20toujours%20un%20peu%20de%20honte.">Source (French)</a>).  Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>Whatever Reason we may find for the Passion that subdues us, we shall always be a little ashm'd to own it.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Works_of_Moliere/6GEzAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22whatever%20reafon%20we%22">Clitandre</a> (1672)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Whatever reason we may find for the passion that subdues us, we always feel some shame in owning it.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Dramatic_Works_of_Moli%C3%A8re_M%C3%A9licert/vdFMAQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22passion%20that%20subdues%22">Van Laun</a> (1876)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Whatever reasons we may find to justify the love that conquers us, there is always a certain shame attached to the avowal of it.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Dramatic_Works_of_Moli%C3%A8re_The_force/9KRiy5RyJ-cC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22certain%20shame%22">Wall</a> (1879)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Whatever gratification we may find for the passion that subdues us, we shall always be rather ashamed to own it.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/comedies00molirich/page/468/mode/2up?q=%22Whatever+gratification%22">Mathew</a> (1890). 4.4]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Whatever reasons we may find for the love which conquers us, there is always a little shame in the avowal of it.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Plays_of_Moli%C3%A8re_in_French/ry1zVvUyoCgC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22whatever%20reasons%20we%22">Waller</a> (1903)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Whatever cause we find to justify<br>
The love that masters us, we still must feel<br>
Some little shame in owning it.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Tartuffe_or_the_Hypocrite#:~:text=Whatever%20cause%20we%20find%20to%20justify%0AThe%20love%20that%20masters%20us%2C%20we%20still%20must%20feel%0ASome%20little%20shame%20in%20owning%20it">Page</a> (1909)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Even though overmastered by our feelings,<br>
We always find it shameful to admit them.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/eightplaysbymoli00moli/page/202/mode/2up?q=overmastered">Bishop</a> (1957)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>However strong and justified our flame, <br>
We never can admit it without shame.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/tartuffeotherpla0000moli_t9a5/page/306/mode/2up?q=%22strong+and+justified%22">Frame</a> (1967)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No matter how much love persuades us, <br>
we always feel a tiny bit of shame.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Tartuffe/p8pgDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22no%20matter%20how%20much%22">Steiner</a> (2008)] </blockquote><br>

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		<title>Moffat, Steven -- Coupling, 01&#215;05 &#8220;The Girl with Two Breasts&#8221; (2000-06-09)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">JEFF: See, women think we&#8217;re normal, like them, &#8217;cause we talk to them like normal people, you know, we say, &#8220;Hello. How are you? Haven&#8217;t seen you in this place before. What kind of music do <i>you</i> like?&#8221; But all the time in our brains, we&#8217;ve got the word &#8220;breasts&#8221; on a loop. If we ever lost control for a second, we&#8217;d all start shouting &#8220;Breasts! Breasts! Breasts! Breasts!&#8221;</p>
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<br><b>Steven Moffat</b> (b. 1961) Scottish television writer, producer<br><i>Coupling</i>, 01&#215;05 &#8220;The Girl with Two Breasts&#8221; (2000-06-09) 
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		<title>Shakespeare, William -- Merry Wives of Windsor, Act 5, sc. 5, l.   4ff (5.5.4-6) (1597)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">FALSTAFF:<span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">O powerful love,<br />
that in some respects makes a beast a man, in<br />
some other a man a beast! </p>
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<br><b>William Shakespeare</b> (1564–1616) English dramatist and poet<br><i>Merry Wives of Windsor</i>, Act 5, sc. 5, l.   4ff (5.5.4-6) (1597) 
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		<title>Catullus -- Carmina #  64 &#8220;The Nuptuals of Peleus and Thetis,&#8221; ll. 144-149 [tr. Lamb (1821)]</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then let no woman hence in man believe,<br />
<span class="tab">Or think a lover speaks but to deceive.<br />
He, while ungratified desire is high,<br />
<span class="tab">Shrinks from no oath, no promise will deny;<br />
Soon as his lust is satiate with its prize,<br />
<span class="tab">He spurns his vows and perjury&#8217;s curse defies.<br />
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<em>[Nunc iam nulla viro iuranti femina credat,<br />
nulla viri speret sermones esse fideles;<br />
quis dum aliquid cupiens animus praegestit apisci,<br />
nil metuunt iurare, nihil promittere parcunt:<br />
sed simul ac cupidae mentis satiata libido est,<br />
dicta nihil metuere, nihil periuria curant.]</em></span></span></span></p>
<br><b>Catullus</b> (c. 84 BC – c. 54 BC) Latin poet [Gaius Valerius Catullus]<br>Carmina #  64 &#8220;The Nuptuals of Peleus and Thetis,&#8221; ll. 144-149 [tr. Lamb (1821)] 
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Ariadne lamenting Theseus' faithlessness.<br><br>

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<blockquote><span class="tab">Hear this, and wisdom learn, ye witless fair!<br>
Ne'er let false man with empty oaths deceive,<br>
<span class="tab">No protestations of the sex believe!<br>
Is there a wish their ardent souls would gain;<br>
<span class="tab">they swear, they promise, and at length obtain;<br>
The wish obtain'd, they fearless break their word,<br>
<span class="tab">Nor plighted faith, nor solemn vows regard.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc2.ark:/13960/t6154g976&seq=294&q1=%22let+false+man%22">Nott</a> (1795), # 61; ll. 173ff.]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Henceforth let woman; never trust the oaths that man shall make, <br>
<span class="tab">Nor ever more his honeyed speech within her bosom take! <br>
While yet the fire of his desire is hot within his breast, <br>
<span class="tab">What will he not to woman swear, to heav'n what not protest?<br>
But let her in an evil hour resign her maiden trust,<br>
<span class="tab">And yield the blossom of her youth to sate his selfish lust,<br>
Then what recks he of lavish oath, or vow, or whisper'd pray'r?<br>
<span class="tab">He triumphs in his perjuries, and spurns at her despair.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31175007358511&seq=124&q1=%22henceforth+let+woman%22">T. Martin</a> (1861)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Henceforth let never woman trust an oath than man shall swear,<br>
<span class="tab">Nor count the tender speeches true his lying lips declare:<br>
For when with lusting soul he yearns some object to enjoy,<br>
<span class="tab">No oath, no promise then he deems too sacred to employ;<br>
But when his soul is sated, and his burning passion dies,<br>
<span class="tab">He fears to break no plighted vows, cares nought for perjuries.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=loc.ark:/13960/t1hh7rq7f&seq=126">Cranstoun</a> (1867)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let not a woman trust, since that first treason, a lover's<br>
Desperate oath, none hope true lover's promise is earnest.<br>
They, while fondly to win their amorous humour essayeth,<br>
Fear no covetous oath, all false free promises heed not;<br>
They if once lewd pleasure attain unruly possession,<br>
Lo they fear not promise, of oath or perjury reck not.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/18867/pg18867-images.html#:~:text=Let%20not%20a,perjury%20reck%20not.">Ellis</a> (1871)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Now, let woman no more trust her to man when he sweareth,<br>
Ne'er let her hope to find or truth or faith in his pleadings,<br>
Who when lustful thought forelooks to somewhat attaining,<br>
Never an oath they fear, shall spare no promise to promise.<br>
Yet no sooner they sate all lewdness and lecherous fancy,<br>
Nothing remember of words and reck they naught of fore-swearing.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0005%3Apoem%3D64#:~:text=Now%2C%20let%20woman,of%20fore%2Dswearing.">Burton</a> (1893)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Now, now, let no woman give credence to man's oath, let none hope for faithful vows from mankind; for while their eager desire strives for its end, nothing fear they to swear, nothing of promises forbear they: but instantly their lusting thoughts are satiate with lewdness, nothing of speech they remember, nothing of perjuries care.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0006%3Apoem%3D64#:~:text=Now%2C%20now%2C%20let,of%20perjuries%20care.">Smithers</a> (1894)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Henceforth let no woman believe a man's oath, let none believe that a man's speeches can be trustworthy. They, while their mind desires something and longs eagerly to gain it, nothing fear to swear, nothing spare to promise; but as soon as the lust of their greedy mind is satisfied, they fear not then their words, they heed not their perjuries.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924074296397&seq=106&q1=%22henceforth+let%22">Warre Cornish</a> (1904)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Hereafter let; no woman trust man's promises, or hope for faithful words; for when they wish to attain their desires, there is nothing they will not swear, no promise do they scruple to make: but once their desires have been satisfied, they fear no broken words and care nothing for their perjuries.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924074296397&seq=106&q1=%22henceforth+let%22">Stuttaford</a> (1912)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Never let maid believe a lover's oath; <br>
<span class="tab">Nor hope a man be faithful to his troth; <br>
Long as men's hearts are spurred by keen desire, <br>
No oath they shrink from and no promise spare; <br>
<span class="tab">Soon as their sated lust begins to tire <br>
<span class="tab">No oath they heed and nought for falsehood care.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.$b311029&seq=108&q1=%22never+let+maid%22">Symons-Jeune</a> (1923)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Henceforth, no woman trust the oath of man, <br>
No woman dream the word of man is true: <br>
They, whensoe'er they lust for anything, <br>
Swear every oath and every promise make, <br>
But, when their eager lust is satisfied, <br>
Nor reck of oaths nor promises regard.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.$b267122&seq=108&q1=%22henceforth+no+woman%22">MacNaghten</a> (1925)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Henceforth let never listening maid believe <br>
<span class="tab">Protesting man! When their false hearts conceive <br>
The selfish wish, to all but pleasure blind, <br>
<span class="tab">No words they spare, no oaths unuttered leave.<br>
But when possession cloys their pampered mind,<br>
<span class="tab">No care have they for oaths, no words their honour bind.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.32106015467548&seq=248&q1=%22henceforth%22">Wright</a> (1926)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">From this hour<br>
<span class="tab">may no woman believe what men say, for men (minds set upon a single end) will promise everything,<br>
<span class="tab">but once the shrewd mind satisfies its passion, it plunges forward (the broken promise merely words that trail behind tall bravery).<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.32106001542577&seq=224&q1=%22from+this+hour%22">Gregory</a> (1931)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let no woman ever believe any oath that a man swears,<br>
or ever expect him to keep faith with his fine speeches!<br>
When they want something, when they are anxious to get it,<br>
they take oaths without fear, and pour out promises freely;<br>
but just as soon as their hot desire is sated,<br>
none of their lies & deceptions ever disturb them.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Poems_of_Catullus/y_HafujaJM4C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22let%20no%20woman%20every%20believe%22">C. Martin</a> (1979)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>From now on let no woman believe a man's sworn promises. <br>
From now on let no woman hope a man's talk is true. <br>
So long as their desiring minds are eager to get something, <br>
they swear to anything. No promise do they spare. <br>
But as soon as the lust in their desirous intent is gratified, <br>
they remember nothing they said, they care nothing for their lies. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://diotima-doctafemina.org/translations/latin/catullus-64-the-wedding-of-peleus-and-thetis/#:~:text=From%20now%20on%20let%20no%20woman%20believe%20a%20man%27s%20sworn%20promises">Banks</a> (1997)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Now, no woman should believe a man’s pledges,<br>
or believe there’s any truth in a man’s words:<br>
when their minds are intent on their desire,<br>
they have no fear of oaths, don’t spare their promises:<br>
but as soon as the lust of their eager mind is slaked<br>
they fear no words, they care nothing for perjury.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Latin/Catullus.php#:~:text=Now%2C%20no%20woman,nothing%20for%20perjury.">Kline</a> (2001)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Henceforth let no woman trust a man's sworn promise,<br>
or hope that he'll ever be true to his given word,<br>
for as long as his lustful heart is bent on possession<br>
he'll shrink from no oath, stop short at no promises,<br>
but the moment hte urge of his ardent mind is sated<br>
he forgets all he's said, breaks oaths without a tremor.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Poems_of_Catullus/4qsYinaVXQ8C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=oath">Green</a> (2005)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Now already let no woman trust a man swearing,<br>
let none hope that the speeches of man are faithful,<br>
for whom while the desiring mind is eager to grasp something,<br>
They fear to swear nothing, they spare to promise nothing.<br>
But as soon as the lust of the desiring mind has been satisfied,<br>
They feared the words as nothing, they care for the false oaths not at all.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Translation:Catullus_64#:~:text=Now%20already%20let,not%20at%20all.">Wikisource</a> (2018)]</blockquote><br>
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<p>[σὺ δ’ ὦ θεῶν τύραννε κἀνθρώπων ῎Ερως]</p>
<br><b>Euripides</b> (485?-406? BC) Greek tragic dramatist<br><i>Andromeda</i> [Ανδρομέδα], frag. 136 (TGF) (412 BC) 
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Lucian, in <i>How to Write History</i>, says the people of Abdera, Thrace, were so affected by a mid-summer performance of this play that they stumbled about, bemusedly repeating the the first line, until restored to their senses by a severe winter (see <a href="https://archive.org/details/euripideanfragme00euriuoft/page/6/mode/2up?q=%22Fr.+136.%22">1</a>, <a href="https://sententiaeantiquae.com/2015/11/30/a-plague-like-no-otherthe-seven-day-tragic-fever/">2</a>, <a href="https://sententiaeantiquae.com/2022/07/14/dismal-despite-democritus/">3</a>).<br><br>

<a href="https://archive.org/details/tragicorumgraeco00naucuoft/page/398/mode/2up?q=%226%CE%BD+%CE%AF%27+%CF%8E+%CF%8B-%CE%B5%CF%8E%CE%BD+%CF%84%CF%8D%CF%81%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%BD%CE%B5+%CE%BA%CE%AC%CE%BD%26%CF%81%CF%8E%CF%80%CF%89%CE%BD%22">Nauck frag. 136</a>, Barnes Addenda p519, Musgrave frag. 17. (<a href="https://sententiaeantiquae.com/2015/11/30/a-plague-like-no-otherthe-seven-day-tragic-fever/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CLust%2C%20you%20tyrant%20of%20gods%20and%20men!%E2%80%9D">Source (Greek)</a>). Other translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>Tyrant of Gods, and men, O Love.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/nineteentragedi02wodhgoog/page/n378/mode/2up?q=%22tyrant+of+gods%22">Wodhall</a> (1809)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>You, Eros, tyrant over gods and men.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Dictionary_of_Classical_Greek_Quotatio/knv1DwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=383%20%22you%20eros%22">Collard/Cropp</a> (2008)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Lust, you tyrant of gods and men!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://sententiaeantiquae.com/2015/11/30/a-plague-like-no-otherthe-seven-day-tragic-fever/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CLust%2C%20you%20tyrant%20of%20gods%20and%20men!%E2%80%9D">@sentantiq</a> (2015)]</blockquote><br>
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		<description><![CDATA[What a mystery this is, desire. The love sickness, the sensitivity, the obsession, the flutter of the heart, the ebb and flow of the blood. There is no drug and no alcohol to equal it.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a mystery this is, desire. The love sickness, the sensitivity, the obsession, the flutter of the heart, the ebb and flow of the blood. There is no drug and no alcohol to equal it.</p>
<br><b>Anaïs Nin</b> (1903–1977) Catalan-Cuban-French author, diarist<br>Diary (1943-04) 
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		<title>Byron, George Gordon, Lord -- Don Juan, Canto  1, st. 216 (1818)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[My days of love are over; me no more The charms of maid, wife, and still less of widow, Can make the fool of which they made before, &#8212; In short, I must not lead the life I did do; The credulous hope of mutual minds is o&#8217;er, The copious use of claret is forbid [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My days of love are over; me no more<br />
<span class="tab">The charms of maid, wife, and still less of widow,<br />
Can make the fool of which they made before, &#8212;<br />
<span class="tab">In short, I must not lead the life I did do;<br />
The credulous hope of mutual minds is o&#8217;er,<br />
<span class="tab">The copious use of claret is forbid too,<br />
So for a good old-gentlemanly vice,<br />
I think I must take up with avarice.</p>
<br><b>George Gordon, Lord Byron</b> (1788–1824) English poet<br><i>Don Juan</i>, Canto  1, st. 216 (1818) 
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		<title>Augustine of Hippo -- On Christian Doctrine [De Doctrina Christiana], Book 3, ch. 10 / § 15 (3.10.15) (AD 397) [tr. Shaw (1858)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now Scripture enjoins nothing except charity, and condemns nothing except lust, and in that way fashions the lives of men. [Non autem praecipit Scriptura nisi caritatem, nec culpat nisi cupiditatem, et eo modo informat mores hominum.] On how people treat Scripture as literal when it agrees with their and their culture&#8217;s judgment, and figurative when [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now Scripture enjoins nothing except charity, and condemns nothing except lust, and in that way fashions the lives of men.</p>
<p><em>[Non autem praecipit Scriptura nisi caritatem, nec culpat nisi cupiditatem, et eo modo informat mores hominum.]</em></p>
<br><b>Augustine of Hippo</b> (354–430) Christian church father, philosopher, saint [b. Aurelius Augustinus]<br><i>On Christian Doctrine [De Doctrina Christiana]</i>, Book 3, ch. 10 / § 15 (3.10.15) (AD 397) [tr. Shaw (1858)] 
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On how people treat Scripture as literal when it agrees with their and their culture's judgment, and figurative when not.<br><br>

(<a href="https://la.wikisource.org/wiki/De_Doctrina_Christiana/III#:~:text=Non%20autem%20praecipit%20Scriptura%20nisi%20caritatem%2C%20nec%20culpat%20nisi%20cupiditatem%2C%20et%20eo%20modo%20informat%20mores%20hominum.">Source (Latin)</a>). Other translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>But Scripture teaches nothing but charity, nor condemns anything except cupidity, and in this way shapes the minds of men. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/onchristiandoct000augu/page/88/mode/2up?q=%22scripture+teaches%22">Robertson</a> (1958)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Scripture enjoins nothing but love, and centures nothing but lust, and moulds men's minds accordingly.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/De_Doctrina_Christiana/CMARDAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22scripture%20enjoins%20nothing%22">Green</a> (1995)]</blockquote><br>
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		<title>Chamfort, Nicolas -- Products of Perfected Civilization [Produits de la Civilisation Perfectionée], Part 1 &#8220;Maxims and Thoughts [Maximes et Pensées],&#8221; ch.  1, ¶  70 (1795) [tr. Parmée (2003), ¶ 58]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The fable of Tantalus has generally been regarded as symbolizing avarice. It&#8217;s at least equally applicable to ambition, love of fame, indeed to almost every passion. &#160; [La fable de Tantale n’a presque jamais servi d’emblème qu’à l’avarice. Mais elle est, pour le moins, autant celui de l’ambition, de l’amour de la gloire, de presque [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fable of Tantalus has generally been regarded as symbolizing avarice. It&#8217;s at least equally applicable to ambition, love of fame, indeed to almost every passion.<br />
&nbsp;<br />
<em>[La fable de Tantale n’a presque jamais servi d’emblème qu’à l’avarice. Mais elle est, pour le moins, autant celui de l’ambition, de l’amour de la gloire, de presque toutes les passions.]</em></p>
<br><b>Nicolas Chamfort</b> (1741–1794) French writer, epigrammist (b. Nicolas-Sébastien Roch)<br><i>Products of Perfected Civilization [Produits de la Civilisation Perfectionée]</i>, Part 1 &#8220;Maxims and Thoughts <i>[Maximes et Pensées],&#8221;</i> ch.  1, ¶  70 (1795) [tr. Parmée (2003), ¶ 58] 
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(<a href="https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Maximes_et_Pens%C3%A9es_(Chamfort)/%C3%89dition_Bever/1#:~:text=La%20fable%20de%20Tantale%20n%E2%80%99a%20presque%20jamais%20servi%20d%E2%80%99embl%C3%A8me%20qu%E2%80%99%C3%A0%20l%E2%80%99avarice.%20Mais%20elle%20est%2C%20pour%20le%20moins%2C%20autant%20celui%20de%20l%E2%80%99ambition%2C%20de%20l%E2%80%99amour%20de%20la%20gloire%2C%20de%20presque%20toutes%20les%20passions.">Source (French)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>The fable of Tantalus is hardly ever applied except to the passion of avarice; but it is at least as applicable to ambition, to the love of glory, and to nearly all the other passions.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015014501913&view=2up&seq=40&q1=tantalus">Mathers</a> (1926)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The fable of Tantalus has been used almost exclusively as an emblem of avarice, but it is at least as applicable to ambition, the love of fame, and virtually all the passions.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/productsofperfec0000seba_s1c9/page/122/mode/2up?q=tantalus">Merwin</a> (1969)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The fable of Tantalus has almost never served as a precept except in the case of avarice. But it is, at all events, a precept attaching no wit less to ambition, to love of glory, to almost all passions.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Chamfort_Maxims/J9vwAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=tantalus">Pearson</a> (1973)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The fable of Tantalus has nearly only ever served as an emblem of avarice. However, it is at least as much a symbol of ambition, of the love of glory, and of nearly every passion.<br>
[tr. <a href="http://frenchphilosophes.weebly.com/chamfort.html#:~:text=%C2%A0The%20fable%20of%20Tantalus%20has%20nearly%20only%20ever%20served%20as%20an%20emblem%20of%20avarice.%20However%2C%20it%20is%20at%20least%20as%20much%20a%20symbol%20of%20ambition%2C%20of%20the%20love%20of%20glory%2C%20and%C2%A0of%20nearly%20every%20passion.">Siniscalchi</a> (1994)]</blockquote><br>
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		<title>Moliere -- Tartuffe, or the Hypocrite [Le Tartuffe, ou L&#8217;Imposteur], Act 4, sc. 5 (1669) [tr. Wilbur (1963)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[TARTUFFE: Some joys, it&#8217;s true, are wrong in Heaven&#8217;s eyes; Yet Heaven is not averse to compromise; There is a science, lately formulated. Whereby one&#8217;s conscience may be liberated, And any wrongful act you care to mention May be redeemed by purity of intention. I&#8217;ll teach you. Madam, the secrets of that science; Meanwhile, just [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">TARTUFFE: Some joys, it&#8217;s true, are wrong in Heaven&#8217;s eyes;<br />
Yet Heaven is not averse to compromise;<br />
There is a science, lately formulated.<br />
Whereby one&#8217;s conscience may be liberated,<br />
And any wrongful act you care to mention<br />
May be redeemed by purity of intention.<br />
I&#8217;ll teach you. Madam, the secrets of that science;<br />
Meanwhile, just place on me your full reliance.<br />
Assuage my keen desires, and feel no dread:<br />
The sin, if any, shall be on my head.</p>
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<p><em>[Le ciel défend, de vrai, certains contentements;<br />
Mais on trouve avec lui des accommodements.<br />
Selon divers besoins, il est une science<br />
D’étendre les liens de notre conscience,<br />
Et de rectifier le mal de l’action<br />
Avec la pureté de notre intention.<br />
De ces secrets, madame, on saura vous instruire ;<br />
Vous n’avez seulement qu’à vous laisser conduire.<br />
Contentez mon désir, et n’ayez point d’effroi ;<br />
Je vous réponds de tout, et prends le mal sur moi.]</em></p>
<br><b>Molière</b> (1622–1673) French playwright, actor [stage name for Jean-Baptiste Poquelin]<br><i>Tartuffe, or the Hypocrite [Le Tartuffe, ou L&#8217;Imposteur]</i>, Act 4, sc. 5 (1669) [tr. Wilbur (1963)] 
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The pious fraud, Tartuffe, attempting to seduce Orgon's wife, Elmire. Moliere does a certain amount of CYA by inserts a note at this line, "A scoundrel is speaking <i>[C’est un scélérat qui parle.]"</i><br><br>

The passage mirrors Pascal's assertion in the seventh <i>Provinciale</i> that "When we cannot prevent the action, we at least purify the intention' and thus we correct vice by means of the purity of the end."<br><br>

(<a href="https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Tartuffe_ou_l%E2%80%99Imposteur/%C3%89dition_Louandre,_1910/Acte_IV#cite_ref-6:~:text=Le%20ciel%20d%C3%A9fend,mal%20sur%20moi.">Source (French)</a>). Other translations:<br><br>



<blockquote>Heav'n 'tis true, forbids certain Gratifications. But then there are ways of compounding those Matters. It is a Science to stretch the Strings of Conscience according to the different Exigences of the Cawe, and to rectify the Immorality of the Action by the Purity of our Intention. These are Secrets, Madam, I can instruct you in; you have nothing to do, but passively to be conducted. Satisfy my Desire, and fear nothing, I'll answer for you, and will take the Sin upon myself.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Works_of_Moliere/6GEzAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22forbids%20certain%22">Clitandre</a> (1672)]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>Heaven, it is true, forbids certain gratifications, but there are ways and means of compounding such matters. According to our different wants, there is a science which loosens that which binds our conscience, and which rectifies the evil of the act with the purity of our intentions. We shall be able to initiate you into these secrets, Madam; you have only to be led by me. Satisfy my desires, and have no fear; I shall be answerable for everything, and shall take the sin upon myself.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/dramaticworksofm04moliiala/dramaticworksofm04moliiala/page/146/mode/2up?view=theater&q=%22forbids+certain%22">Van Laun</a> (c. 1870), 4.5]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>It is true that Heaven forbids certain gratifications, but there are means of compounding with it upon such matters., and of rectifying the evil fo the act by the purity of the intention. We shall be able to initiate you into all those secrets, madam; all you have to do is to suffer yourself to be led by me. Satisfy my wishes, and be without fear. I will be answerable for everything and take the sin upon myself.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Dramatic_Works_of_Moli%C3%A8re_The_force/9KRiy5RyJ-cC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22purity%20of%20the%20intention%22">Wall</a> (1879), 4.5]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>Heaven, it is true, forbids certain gratifications; but there are ways of compounding these matters. There is a science of stretching the strings of our conscience, according to different exigencies, and of rectifying the wrongness of the action by the purity of our intention. In these secrets, madame, I know how to instruct you, and all you have to do is to let me guide you. Satisfy my wishes, madame, and have no fear. I will answer for you, and take any wrong on myself. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/comedies00molirich/page/470/mode/2up?view=theater&q=%22heaven%2C+it+is+true%22">Mathew</a> (1890), 4.4]</blockquote><br>





<blockquote>Heaven, it is true, forbids certain gratifications; but there are ways of compounding with it. It is a science to stretch the string of our conscience according to divers needs and to rectify the immorality of the act with the purity of our intention. I can initiate you into these secrets, Madam; you have only to allow yourself to be led. Satisfy my desire, and do not be afraid: I will be answerable for you in everything, and I will take the sin upon myself.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Plays_of_Moli%C3%A8re_in_French/ry1zVvUyoCgC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=compounding">Waller</a> (1903), 4.5]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Heaven forbids, 't is true, some satisfactions;<br>
But we find means to make things right with Heaven.<br>
There is a science, madam, that instructs us<br>
How to enlarge the limits of our conscience<br>
According to our various occasions,<br>
And rectify the evil of the deed<br>
According to our purity of motive.<br>
I'll duly teach you all these secrets, madam;<br>
You only need to let yourself be guided.<br>
Content my wishes, have no fear at all;<br>
I answer for't, and take the sin upon me.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Tartuffe_or_the_Hypocrite#cite_ref-5:~:text=Heaven%20forbids%2C%20%27tis,sin%20upon%20me.">Page</a> (1909), 4.5]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>It's true that heaven forbids some satisfactions,<br>
But there are possible ways to understandings.<br>
To suit our various needs, there is a science<br>
Of loosening the bonds of human conscience, <br>
And rectifying the evil of an action<br>
By means of the purity of our intention.<br>
Madame, I shall instruct you in these secrets,<br>
If you will put your confidence in me.<br>
Content my longings, do not be afraid; <br>
All the responsibility is mine ...<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/eightplaysbymoli00moli/page/204/mode/2up?view=theater&q=%22heaven+forbids%22">Bishop</a> (1957)]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>It's true, there are some pleasures Heaven denies;<br>
But there are ways to reach a compromise.<br>
Yes, now there is a science that succeeds <br>
In stretching consciences to meet our needs, <br>
And can correct, by a sublime invention, <br>
An evil deed just by a pure intention. <br>
To all this there are keys I can provide you; <br>
All you need do, Madame, is let me guide you. <br>
Content my longings, free yourself of dread: <br>
If there is sin, I’ll take it on my head. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Tartuffe_and_Other_Plays/Gxx0BQAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22it%27s%20true%20there%20are%22">Frame</a> (1967), 4.5]</blockquote><br> 



<blockquote>It's true that Heaven forbids certain pleasures,<br>
but it's possible to make bargains.<br>
Depending on what's needed, <br>
there are ways to accommodate our consciences<br>
and to justify bad acts<br>
by the purity of our intentions.<br>
I can be your teacher, Madame;<br>
you have only to let me be your guide.<br>
Satisfy my desire; never fear,<br>
I'll answer for it all and take you sin on.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Tartuffe/p8pgDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22it%27s%20true%20that%20heaven%22">Steiner</a> (2008), 4.5]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>Heaven forbids certain pleasures, in theory;<br>
But one can always get round that;<br>
According to requirement, it is a science<br>
To stretch the limits of our conscience<br>
And to balance out the evil of the deed<br>
With the purity of the intention.<br>
Nothing simpler, My Lady, than to instruct you in these mysteries;<br>
You need only let yourself be led.<br>
Give me what I want and have no fear:<br>
I'll take the sin upon myself.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Tartuffe/HZ78DwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=heaven%20forbids">Campbell</a> (2013)]</blockquote><br>




<blockquote>Heaven forbids, in truth, certain contentments;<br>
But we find with him accomodations;<br>
According to various needs, it is a science<br>
To extend the bonds of our consciousness<br>
And to rectify the evil of action <br>
With the purity of our intention.<br>
Of these secrets, Madam, we will know how to instruct you;<br>
You just have to let yourself be driven.<br>
Satisfy my desire, and have no fear:<br>
I answer you for everything, and take evil on me.<br>
[<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Tartuffe/EsjDEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=heaven%20forbids%20in%20truth">Source</a>]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>It's true Heaven forbids some pleasures, but a compromise can usually be found.<br>
[<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Concise_Columbia_Dictionary_of_Quota/bs0J36MpieIC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22Heaven+forbids+some+pleasures%22&pg=PA310&printsec=frontcover">E.g.</a>]</blockquote><br>
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		<title>Virgil -- Georgics [Georgica], Book 3, l. 242ff (3.242-244) (29 BC) [tr. Dryden (1709), l. 375ff]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thus every Creature, and of every Kind, The secret Joys of sweet Coition find: Not only Man&#8217;s Imperial Race; but they That wing the liquid Air; or swim the Sea, Or haunt the Desert, rush into the flame: For Love is Lord of all; and is in all the same. [Omne adeo genus in terris [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thus every Creature, and of every Kind,<br />
<span class="tab">The secret Joys of sweet Coition find:<br />
Not only Man&#8217;s Imperial Race; but they<br />
<span class="tab">That wing the liquid Air; or swim the Sea,<br />
Or haunt the Desert, rush into the flame:<br />
<span class="tab">For Love is Lord of all; and is in all the same.</p>
<p><em>[Omne adeo genus in terris hominumque ferarumque,<br />
Et genus aequoreum, pecudes, pictaeque volucres,<br />
In furias ignemque ruunt. Amor omnibus idem.]</em></span></span></span></p>
<br><b>Virgil</b> (70–19 BC) Roman poet [b. Publius Vergilius Maro; also Vergil]<br><i>Georgics [Georgica]</i>, Book 3, l. 242ff (3.242-244) (29 BC) [tr. Dryden (1709), l. 375ff] 
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(<a href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0059%3Abook%3D3%3Acard%3D242#:~:text=Omne%20adeo%20genus%20in%20terris%20hominumque%20ferarumque%2C%0Aet%20genus%20aequoreum%2C%20pecudes%20pictaeque%20volucres%2C%0Ain%20furias.%20ignemque%20ruunt.%20Amor%20omnibus%20idem.">Source (Latin)</a>). Other translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>All men on earth, and beasts, both wilde and tame,<br>
<span class="tab">Sea-monsters, gaudy fowle, rush to this flame:<br>
The same love works in all; with love ingag'd.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo2/A65106.0001.001/1:5.3?rgn=div2;view=fulltext#:~:text=All%20men%20on,with%20love%20ingag%27d.">Ogilby</a> (1649)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Nor they alone: but beasts that haunt the woods,<br>
<span class="tab">The painted birds, the people of the floods, <br>
Cattle, and men, to frenzy and to flame<br>
<span class="tab">Start wild: Love's empire is in all the same.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Georgics_(Nevile)/Book_3#:~:text=Nor%20they%20alone,all%20the%20same.">Nevile</a> (1767), l. 289ff] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Thus all that wings the air and cleaves the flood, <br>
<span class="tab">Herds that or graze the plain or haunt the wood, <br>
Rush to like flames, when kindred passions move, <br>
<span class="tab">And man and brute obey the power of love.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/georgicsofvirgil00virg/page/74/mode/2up?q=%22Thus+all+that+wings%22">Sotheby</a> (1800)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Indeed every kind on earth, both of men and wild beasts, the fish, the cattle, and painted birds, rush into maddening fires; love is in all the same.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Works_of_Virgil/GuFCAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22Indeed%20every%20kind%22">Davidson</a> (1854)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>So then all kinds on earth of men and herds,<br>
<span class="tab">The ocean tribes, the beasts, the painted birds,<br>
Rush all alike to frenzy and to flame;<br>
<span class="tab">Love rules them all, and love is still the same.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Georgics_of_Virgil/q3MQAQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22So%20then%20all%20kinds%22">Blackmore</a> (1871), l. 293ff]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Nay, every race on earth, whether of men or beasts, the watery tribes, the herds, the painted birds, rush headlong into this fiery phrenzy; love sways all alike.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Literal_Translation_of_the_Eclogues_an/ZghPAQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22Nay,%20every%20race%20on%20earth%22">Wilkins</a> (1873)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Nay, every race on earth of men, and beasts,<br>
And ocean-folk, and flocks, and painted birds,<br>
Rush to the raging fire: love sways them all.<br>
[tr. <a href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0058%3Abook%3D3%3Acard%3D242#:~:text=Nay%2C%20every%20race%20on%20earth%20of%20men%2C%20and%20beasts%2C%0AAnd%20ocean%2Dfolk%2C%20and%20flocks%2C%20and%20painted%20birds%2C%0ARush%20to%20the%20raging%20fire%3A%20love%20sways%20them%20all.">Rhoades</a> (1881)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Thus all alike the slaves of love remain,<br>
<span class="tab">That haunt the woodland, or that graze the plain.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/dli.bengal.10689.18134/page/n117/mode/2up?q=%22TLofs+all+alike+the+slaves%22">King</a> (1882)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>In truth, every kind on the earth, both of men and wild beasts, the fish, the cattle, and plumaged birds, rush to the frenzy and the fire of love: in all there is the same love. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bucolicsgeorgics0000aham/page/106/mode/2up?q=%22every+kind+on+the+earth%22">Bryce</a> (1897)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Yes all on earth, the race of man and beast, the tribes of the sea, cattle and coloured birds break into fury and fire; in all love is the same.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Eclogues_and_Georgics_(Mackail_1910)/Georgics_3#:~:text=Yes%20all%20on%20earth%2C%20the%20race%20of%20man%20and%20beast%2C%20the%20tribes%20of%20the%20sea%2C%20cattle%20and%20coloured%20birds%20break%20into%20fury%20and%20fire%3B%20in%20all%20love%20is%20the%20same.">Mackail</a> (1899)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Yea, all -- all tribes of earth, all men, all cattle-herds,<br>
<span class="tab">Wild beasts of the forest, the brood of the sea, plume-painted birds,<br>
Into flames of passion rush' all hearts are in one net taken.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Georgics_of_Virgil_in_English_Verse/tYFgMng6wfMC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22all%20tribes%20of%20earth%22">Way</a> (1912)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>For all terrestrial kinds, or beast or man,<br>
All Ocean's brood and flocks of bright-hued birds<br>
Haste to the same fierce fire. One power of love<br>
Possesses all. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Georgics_and_Eclogues_of_Virgil/dxcRFAjbB_4C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22terrestrial%20kinds%22">Williams</a> (1915)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Every single race on earth, man and beast, the tribes of the sea, cattle and birds brilliant of hue, rush into fires of passion: all feel the same Love.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.theoi.com/Text/VirgilGeorgics2.html#:~:text=Every%20single%20race%20on%20earth%2C%20man%20and%20beast%2C%20the%20tribes%20of%20the%20sea%2C%20cattle%20and%20birds%20brilliant%20of%20hue%2C%20rush%20into%20fires%20of%20passion%3A%20all%20feel%20the%20same%20Love.">Fairclough</a> (Loeb) (1916)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>All manner of life on earth -- men, fauna of land and sea, <br>
Cattle and coloured birds -- <br>
Run to this fiery madness: love is alike for all.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/georgicsofvirgil0000cday/page/50/mode/2up?q=%22all+manner+of+life%22">Day-Lewis</a> (1940)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Thus, every living creature, man and beast, <br>
The ocean’s tribes, the herds, the colorful birds, <br>
Rush toward the furious flames: love levels all.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/virgilsgeorgics0000unse/page/68/mode/2up?q=%22thus+every+living%22">Bovie</a> (1956)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Or, better, make it fire, the tongues of flame<br>
burning like waves in a sunset, while all of life,<br>
birds, fish, beasts of the fields, and men,<br>
maddened, leap like lemmings into the sea,<br>
that searing sea, that terrible tide of lust<br>
to be like -- to become --<br>
<span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">each, the fabulolus phoenix,<br>
and rise renewed.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/ecloguesgeorgics0000slav/page/100/mode/2up?q=%22make+it+fire%22">Slavitt</a> (1971)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Indeed all species in the world, of men, <br>
Wild beasts and fish, cattle and coloured birds <br>
Rush madly into the furnace: love is common <br>
To all.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/georgics00virg/page/106/mode/2up?q=%22indeed+all+species%22">Wilkinson</a> (1982)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Every species on earth, man and creature, and the species<br>
of the sea, and cattle and bright-feathered birds,<br>
rush about in fire and frenzy: love’s the same for all.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Latin/VirgilGeorgicsIII.php#anchor_Toc534252743:~:text=Every%20species%20on,same%20for%20all.">Kline</a> (2001)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Every last species on earth, man and beast alike, <br>
the vast schools of the sea, the cattle and bright-colored birds <br>
fall helpless into passion’s fire: love is the same for all.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/virgilsgeorgicsn0000virg_i3n1/page/48/mode/2up?q=%22every+last+species%22">Lembke</a> (2004)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Indeed, all species on the earth, both man and beast,<br>
the kingdom undersea, cattle and painted birds<br>
into this hot lunacy rush: love strikes all the same.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/georgicspoemofla0000virg/page/92/mode/2up?q=%22hot+lunacy+rush%22">Johnson</a> (2009)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>All living creatures on earth, no matter whether<br>
It's human beings or other kinds -- fish, cattle,<br>
Beautiful birds -- they all rush into the fire:<br>
Love is the same for all.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Georgics_of_Virgil/HTbFCgAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22all%20living%20creatures%22">Ferry</a> (2015)]</blockquote><br>
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		<title>Cicero, Marcus Tullius -- De Senectute [Cato Maior; On Old Age], ch. 12 / sec. 39ff (12.39-41) (44 BC) [tr. Falconer (1923)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[We come now to the third ground for abusing old age, and that is, that it is devoid of sensual pleasures. O glorious boon of age, if it does indeed free us from youth&#8217;s most vicious fault! Now listen, most noble young men, to what that remarkably great and distinguished man, Archytas of Tarentum, said [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We come now to the third ground for abusing old age, and that is, that it is devoid of sensual pleasures. O glorious boon of age, if it does indeed free us from youth&#8217;s most vicious fault! Now listen, most noble young men, to what that remarkably great and distinguished man, Archytas of Tarentum, said in an ancient speech repeated to me when I was a young man serving with Quintus Maximus at Tarentum: “No more deadly curse,” said he, &#8220;has been given by nature to man than carnal pleasure, through eagerness for which the passions are driven recklessly and uncontrollably to its gratification. From it come treason and the overthrow of states; and from it spring secret and corrupt conferences with public foes. In short, there is no criminal purpose and no evil deed which the lust for pleasure will not drive men to undertake. Indeed, rape, adultery, and every like offence are set in motion by the enticements of pleasure and by nothing else; and since nature &#8212;  or some god, perhaps &#8212; has given to man nothing more excellent than his intellect, therefore this divine gift has no deadlier foe than pleasure; for where lust holds despotic sway self-control has no place, and in pleasure&#8217;s realm there is not a single spot where virtue can put her foot.&#8221;</p>
<p><em>[Sequitur tertia vituperatio senectutis, quod eam carere dicunt voluptatibus. O praeclarum munus aetatis, si quidem id aufert a nobis, quod est in adulescentia vitiosissimum! Accipite enim, optimi adulescentes, veterem orationem Archytae Tarentini, magni in primis et praeclari viri, quae mihi tradita est cum essem adulescens Tarenti cum Q. Maximo. Nullam capitaliorem pestem quam voluptatem corporis hominibus dicebat a natura datam, cuius voluptatis avidae libidines temere et effrenate ad potiendum incitarentur. Hinc patriae proditiones, hinc rerum publicarum eversiones, hinc cum hostibus clandestina colloquia nasci; nullum denique scelus, nullum malum facinus esse, ad quod suscipiendum non libido voluptatis impelleret; stupra vero et adulteria et omne tale flagitium nullis excitari aliis illecebris nisi voluptatis; cumque homini sive natura sive quis deus nihil mente praestabilius dedisset, huic divino muneri ac dono nihil tam esse inimicum quam voluptatem. Nec enim lubidine dominante temperantiae locum esse, neque omnino in voluptatis regno virtutem posse consistere.]</em></p>
<br><b>Marcus Tullius Cicero</b> (106–43 BC) Roman orator, statesman, philosopher<br><i>De Senectute [Cato Maior; On Old Age]</i>, ch. 12 / sec. 39ff (12.39-41) (44 BC) [tr. Falconer (1923)] 
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(<a href="http://data.perseus.org/citations/urn:cts:latinLit:phi0474.phi051.perseus-lat1:39">Source (Latin)</a>). Other translations:<br><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">Nowe folowith the iij vituperacion & defaute by the which yong men seyne that olde age is noiouse myschaunte & wretchid by cause it hath almost no flesshely delectacyons or sensualitees as for to gete with childeren and yssue to encrece and multiplie the world. To whom I answere forwith that it is right a noble gyfte rewarde & the right grete worship of olde age that it be sequestred depryved and dischargid of the delectacyons of sensualitee of the body or flesshely lustis for ys it be so that olde age be pryved and sequestred of such delectacyons It had takin awey from us olde men  that thyng whiche is right vicious & right foule in the age of adolescence & yongthe.<br> 
<span class="tab">And neverthelesshe my right good and lovyng yong men Scipion and Lelius an auncyent senatour purposid an oracion that a philosopher callid Archites made whiche was takyn of Haniballe duc of Cartage when he werrid in Ytaile. He was recoverde by Quintus Fabius the noble senatour when he recoverd Tarente, takyn by the said Haniballe. Archites was pryncypally a grete man connyngly lernyd in sciences and in vertues and was right famous and noble. This oracion purposid which Archites made was yeven to me when I adolescent and yong of age was at Tarente with the seid Fabius, and by this oracyon seid Archites that nature which ordeyned to men complexions gave nevir no pestelence peyne nor turment more damageable to yong men than is flesshely delectacyon. The coveitous playsirs of delectacyon moven tyce and steeren men over boldely and withoute bridell of reason or shame or any restraynt to execute and make an ende of their foule lustys. For thought delectacy∣ons ben made and conspired treasons divisions and dissencyons of countrees & the destruccions of their comon profite, and the secretes of parlementys disclosed to our ennemyes and adversarye partye there is noon untrou∣the there is noon evyll werke but pleasyre of delectacyon which shall constrayne men to encline therto, by cause that they enioyen owt of mesure of spousehode brekyng & that so fervently the cause of defoulyng of maydens virgins the anontry of weddyd women & all such corrupte untrew werkys, whiche ben nevir mevid nor undirtakyn but by the insolence & wantownes & wenlacys of flesshely delectacyon.  Archites also saide that as nature by power of which god hath yeven to men noth̄yng bettir than is the soule by the which they have undirstondyng & mynde, also to that soule which is an office & a gift dyvine nothyng is so grete ennemye nor so contrary as ben flesshely delectacyons, for sith delectacyon & flesshely pleasir have dominacyon in the regyon of man. That is to witt in the courage of his body, the vertue of attemperance may not be lodgid therin & wthin the regyon of man which is yeven to delectacyon may not abyde any wisedome nor vertue.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A69111.0001.001?rgn=main;view=fulltext#:~:text=Nowe%20folo%E2%88%A3with,wisedome%20nor%20vertue">Worcester/Worcester/Scrope</a> (1481)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">Now followeth the third dispraise and fault which is laid in old age, because (say they) it is without pleasure, and must forego voluptuous appetites. O noble and excellent gift, wherewith old age is so blessed, if it take from us that thing, which is in youth most vicious and detestable. But you (noble and virtuous gentlemen, Scipio and Laelius) hear what Archytas, the famous philosopher of Tarentum, was wont to say, whose oration touching on the same matter was lent and delivered to me, when I was a young man and served under Quintus Maximus at the siege of Tarentum. He said that no plague was given by nature so great and pernicious unto men, as the bestial pleasures and voluptuousness of the body: which which pleasures the dissolute and libidinous lusts of men do so much affect and desire, that with all licentious profanation and outrage, their minds be incited and stirred to pursue the same, thinking all things lawful for their unbridled appetites, so that they may enjoy their beastly desires and still wallow in the filthy puddle of their hellish sensuality. Hence (said he_ as from a fountain do spring out all kinds of mischief, as treason, betraying of countries, the ruin and subversion of commonwealths, secret conventicles, and privy conferences with the enemies; finally (he said), there was none so great a villainy, nor any so flagitious and horrible an enormity, which the inordinate desire of pleasure would not egg and prick forward men's froward wills to enterprise: furthermore, that whoredom, adultery, and all such like heinous facts of carnal concupiscency were by none other lures or enticements provoked but by pleasure. And whereas either nature or God hath given unto man nothing of so noble excellency as the mind or reasonable soul, there is nothing so great an enemy until this inestimable and divine gift as pleasure. <br>
<span class="tab">For where pleasure beareth away and ruleth the roast, there is no mansion or dwelling-place left for temperance and sobriety, and, to be short, virtue cannot remain where pleasure reigneth.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/cicerosbooksfri00harrgoog/page/n130/mode/2up?q=%22Now+followeth+the+third%22">Newton</a> (1569)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>There followeth the third Objection to age; they say that it wanteth pleasures. Oh excellent gift of age, if it take away that which makes our youth vitious; therefore hear now, O yee excellent young men, the old oration of Architas the Tarentine, a singular and worthy man, which was delivered me when I was a young man with Q. Maximus at Tarentum. He said that there was no deadlier plague given by nature to men, then the pleasure of the body, the greedy lusts whereof are rash and unbrideledly, stirred up to get and gain. From hence are derived treasons, from hence arise the overthrowes of Commonwealths, and the privy conspiracies and whisperings with the enemies. That to conclude, there was no wickednesse, nor no evill deed, to the undertaking of which, the lust of pleasure did not incite a man; and that whoredome, adultery, and all such evill was stirred up by no other bait then pleasure. And forasmuch as nature, or some God, hath given nothing more excellent to a man, then his minde; to this divine gift, there is no greater enemy then pleasure. For lust bearing rule, there is no place for temperance, neither in the Kingdome of pleasure can virtue consist.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A33149.0001.001/1:4.12?rgn=div2;view=fulltext#:~:text=THere%20followeth,can%20virtue%20consist">Austin</a> (1648)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Now must I draw my forces 'gainst that Host<br>
Of Pleasures, which i'th' Sea of age are lost.<br>
Oh, thou most high transcendent gift of age!<br>
Youth from its folly thus to disengage.<br>
And now receive from me that most divine<br>
Oration of that noble Tarentine,<br>
Which at Tarentum I long since did hear;<br>
When I attended the great Fabius there.<br>
Yee Gods, was it man's Nature? or his Fate?<br>
Betray'd him with sweet pleasures poyson'd bait?<br>
Which he, with all designs of art, or power,<br>
Doth with unbridled appetite devour;<br>
And as all poysons seek the noblest part,<br>
Pleasure possesses first the head and heart;<br>
Intoxicating both, by them, she finds,<br>
And burns the Sacred Temples of our Minds.<br>
Furies, which Reasons divine chains had bound,<br>
(That being broken) all the World confound.<br>
Lust, Murder, Treason, Avarice, and Hell<br>
It self broke loose; in Reason's Pallace dwell,<br>
Truth, Honour, Justice, Temperance, are fled,<br>
All her attendants into darkness led.<br>
But why all this discourse? when pleasure's rage<br>
Hath conquer'd reason, we must treat with age.<br>
Age undermines, and will in time surprize<br>
Her strongest Forts, and cut off all supplies.<br>
And joyn'd in league with strong necessity,<br>
Pleasure must flie, or else by famine die.v
[tr. <a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo2/B21163.0001.001/1:4.4?rgn=div2;view=fulltext#:~:text=NOw%20must%20I,by%20famine%20die.">Denham</a> (1669)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">The <i>third</i> Accusation against Old Age is, that <i>it deprives us of the Enjoyments of Pleasure.</i>  
<span class="tab">O glorious Priviledge of Age, if through thy means we can get rid of the most pernicious Bane, to which our You is liable! Give me leave to repeat to you, what a great Orator has said upon this Subject. <br> 
<span class="tab">"Nature has not implanted in Man any more execrable Curse, than that of bodily Pleasures; to the gratification of which we are hurried on, wich such unbounded and licentious Appetites. For to what else is oweing the Subversion of so many States and Kingdoms? What Villainy too daring, what Undertaking too hazardous, which the Desire of satisfying our unbounded Lusts will not instigate us to attempt? To what are Rapes, Adulteries, or such like abominable Enormities owing, but to the gratification of our Appetites? And since the Faculties of Reason, and Judgment, are the most excellent Qualities, which Nature, or Providence, has conferred upon us; it is certain that nothing can be more destructive, more pernicious to this <i>divine Gift,</i> than the Indulging bodily Pleasures? For it is impossible to observe an Degrees of Temperance, while we are under the Dominion of our unruly Passions, nor can Virtue consiste with the pursuit of such Enjoyments."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Cicero_on_Old_Age_a_Dialogue/-DVcAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=third">Hemming</a> (1716)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>We come now to the Third Objection, which is, That <i>Old Age is deprived of Pleasure.</i> O excellent State! if it deprives us of what is most vitious in You! For, hear ye well-disposed young Men, the old Remark of <i>Architas</i> the <i>Tarentine,</i> a most ingenious Man, which was given to me when I was a young Fellow at <i>Tarentum,</i> with <i>Q. Maximus.</i>  He said, "That Nature had not given Mankind a greater Plague than the Pleasure of the body, whose eager Desires for the Enjoyment of it, are altogether loose and unbridled: That from hence arise Conspiracies against our Country, Subversions of the Commonwealth, and treasonable Conferences with the Enemy. In short, that there was no Wickedness nor Capital Crime, but this Lust after Pleasure would put a man upon undertaking; that Whoredom, Adultery, and all such Vices, were excited by no other Allurements than those of Pleasure. That as Nature, or some God, had given to Man nothing more valuable than his Mind, so to that Gift was joined nothing so much its Enemy as Pleasure; for when Lust is predominant, there is no Room for Temperance; nor can Virtue possibly consist in Pleasure's Throne."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Cato_Major_Or_Marcus_Tullius_Cicero_s_Tr/dehhAAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22to%20the%20third%20objection%22">J. D.</a> (1744)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The third Charge against Old-Age was, That it is (they say) insensible to Pleasure, and the Enjoyments arising from the Gratifications of the Senses. And a most blessed and heavenly Effect it truly is, if it eases of what in Youth was the sorest and cruellest Plague of Life. Pray listen, my good Friends, to an old Discourse of Archytas the Tarentine, a great and excellent Man in his Time, which I learned when I was but young myself, at Tarentum, under Fabius Maximus, at the Time he recovered that Place. The greatest Curse, the heaviest Plague, said he, derived on Man from Nature, is bodily Pleasure, when the Passions are indulged, and strong inordinate Desires are raised and set in Motion for obtaining it. For this have Men betray'd their Country; for this have States and Governments been plunged in Ruin; for this have treacherous Correspondences been held with publick Enemies: In short, there is no Mischief so horrid, no Villany so execrable, that this will not prompt to perpetrate. And as Adultery, and all the Crimes of that Tribe, are the natural Effects of it; so of course are all the fatal Consequences that ensue on them. 'Tis owned, that the most noble and excellent Gift of Heaven to Man, is his Reason: And 'tis as sure, that of all the Enemies Reason has to engage with, Pleasure is the most capital, and the most pernicious: For where its great Incentive, Lust, prevails, Temperance can have no Place; nor under the Dominion of Pleasure, can Virtue possibly subsist.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?cc=evans;c=evans;idno=N04335.0001.001;node=N04335.0001.001:5.12;seq=1;rgn=div2;view=text#:~:text=THE%20third%20Charge,Virtue%20possibly%20subsist.">Logan</a> (1750)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let us now proceed to examine the third article of complaint against old age, as "bereaving us," it seems, "of the sensual gratifications." Happy effect indeed, if it deliver us from those snares which allure youth into some of the worst vices to which that age is addicted. Suffer me upon this occasion, my excellent young friends, to acquaint vou with the substance of a discourse which was held many years since by that illustrious philosopher Archytas, of Tarentum, as it was related to me when I was a young man in the army of Quintus Maximus, at the siege of that city. "Nature," said this illustrious sage, "has not conferred on mankind a more dangerous present than those pleasures which attend the sensual indulgences; as the passions they excite are too apt to run away with reason, in a lawless and unbridled pursuit of their respective enjoyments. It is in order to gratify inclinations of this ensnaring kind that men are tempted to hold clandestine correspondence with the enemies of the state, to subvert governments, and turn traitors to their country. In short, there is no sort of crimes that afiect the public welfare to which an inordinate love of the sensual pleasures may not directly lead. And as to vices of a more private tendency -- rapes, adulteries and every other flagitious violation of the moral duties -- are they not perpetrated solely from this single motive? Reason, on the other hand," continued Archytas," is the noblest gift which God, or nature, has bestowed on the sons of men. Now nothing is so great an enemy to that divine endowment, as the pleasures of sense. For neither temperance, nor any other of the more exalted virtues, can find a place in that breast which is under the dominion of the voluptuous passions."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/oldageandfriends00ciceuoft/page/50/mode/2up?q=third">Melmoth</a> (1773)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The third charge against old age comes next, namely, that they say that it is without pleasures. O glorious privilege of old age, if indeed it takes away from us that which in youth is most faulty! For listen, excellent young men, to an ancient discourse of Archytas of Tarentum, a singularly great and renowned man, which was delivered to me when I was a young man with Quintus Maximus: He said, that no deadlier plague than the pleasure of the body was given to men by Nature; of which pleasure the passions being excessively fond, impelled men to enjoy them rashly and precipitously. That hence rose betrayals of country, hence subversions of states, hence clandestine correspondence with enemies. In a word, that there is no atrocity, no wicked deed, to the undertaking of which the lust of pleasure did not incite; and that seductions and adulteries, and every such crime, are called into existence by no other allurements but pleasure; and whereas, whether Nature or some deity had given nothing to man more excellent than the understanding, nothing was more hostile to this divine gift and endowment than pleasure. For neither, when lust bore sway, was there room for temperance, nor could virtue hold any place at all in the reign of pleasure.<br>
[<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Cicero_on_Old_Age_Literally_Translated_E/OKb5knapj7IC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=archytas">Cornish Bros.</a> ed. (1847)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Then follows the third topic of blame against old age, that they say it has no pleasures. Oh, noble privilege of age! if indeed it takes from us that which is in youth the greatest defect. For listen, most excellent young men, to the ancient speech of Archytas of Tarentum, a man eminently great and illustrious, which was reported to me when I, a young man, was at Tarentum with Quintus Maximus. He said that no more deadly plague than the pleasure of the body was inflicted on men by nature; for the passions, greedy of that pleasure, were in a rash and unbridled manner incited to possess it;  that hence arose treasons against one's country, hence the ruining of states, hence clandestine conferences with enemies: in short, that there was no crime, no wicked act, to the undertaking of which the lust of pleasure did not impel; but that fornications and adulteries and every such crime, were provoked by no other allurements than those of pleasure. And whereas either nature or some god had given to man nothing more excellent than his mind; that to this divine function and gift, nothing was so hostile as pleasure: since where lust bore sway, there was no room for self-restraint; and in the realm of pleasure, virtue could by no possibility exist.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/cicerosthreeboo00cice/page/234/mode/2up?q=archytas">Edmonds</a> (1874)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I come now to the third charge against old age, that, as it is alleged, it lacks the pleasures of sense. O admirable service of old age, if indeed it takes from us what in youth is more harmful than all things else! For I would have you hear, young men, an ancient discourse of Archytas of Tarentum, a man of great distinction and celebrity, as it was repeated to me when in my youth I was at Tarentum with Quintus Maximus. "Man has received from nature," said he, "no more fatal scourge than bodily pleasure, by which the passions in their eagerness for gratification are made reckless and are released from all restraint. Hence spring treasons against one's country; hence, overthrows of states; hence, clandestine plottings with enemies. In fine, there is no form of guilt, no atrocity of evil, to the accomplishment of which men are not driven by lust for pleasure. Debaucheries, adulteries, and all enormities of that kind have no other inducing cause than the allurements of pleasure. Still more, while neither Nature nor any god has bestowed upon man aught more noble than mind, nothing is so hostile as pleasure to this divine endowment and gift. Nor while lust bears sway can self-restraint find place, nor under the reign of pleasure can virtue have any foothold whatever."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Cicero_de_Senectute/Text#:~:text=I%20come%20now,any%20foothold%20whatever.%22">Peabody</a> (1884)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The third charge against old age is that it LACKS SENSUAL PLEASURES. What a splendid service does old age render, if it takes from us the greatest blot of youth! Listen, my dear young friends, to a speech of Archytas of Tarentum, among the greatest and most illustrious of men, which was put into my hands when as a young man I was at Tarentum with Q. Maximus. "No more deadly curse than sensual pleasure has been inflicted on mankind by nature, to gratify which our wanton appetites are roused beyond all prudence or restraint. Fornications and adulteries, and every abomination of that kind, are brought about by the enticements of pleasure and by them alone. Intellect is the best gift of nature or God: to this divine gift and endowment there is nothing so inimical as pleasure. For when appetite is our master, there is no place for self-control; nor where pleasure reigns supreme can virtue hold its ground."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/2808/pg2808-images.html#:~:text=The%20third%20charge,hold%20its%20ground.">Shuckburgh</a> (1895)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Thirdly, it is alleged against old age, <br>
It has no sensual pleasures to enjoy.  <br>
Divinest gift of age, to take away sensual pleasures. <br>
What is the greatest blot on youthful years! <br>
Hear, my dear friends, a speech Archytas made <br>
(Who was a very old and famous man), <br>
And told me at Tarentum, where I was <br>
With Quintus Maximus, when quite a youth: <br>
'No greater curse than sensuality <br>
Has Nature given to man: its foul desires <br>
To feed, lust grows unbridled and unwise; <br>
Hence countries are betrayed, states overthrown, <br>
Secret arrangements with our foes are made. <br>
There is no crime, no ill deed to which lust<br>
Cannot entice : abominable vice <br>
Of every kind is due to this alone. <br>
Nature herself, or some kind deity <br>
Has given to man no greater gift than mind: <br>
But to this gift, this faculty divine, <br>
No greater enemy can be than lust. <br>
When that bears sway, all moderation's gone, <br>
And 'neath its rule virtue cannot survive.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo1.ark%3A%2F13960%2Ft70v9281n&view=1up&seq=44&q1=archytas">Allison</a> (1916)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">Next we come to the third allegation against old age. This was its deficiency in sensual pleasures. But if age really frees us from youth's most dangerous failing, then we are receiving a most blessed gift. <br>
<span class="tab">Let me tell you, my dear friends, what was said years ago by that outstandingly distinguished thinker, Archytas of Tarentum, the city at which I heard of his words when I was a young soldier serving under Fabius. "The most fatal curse given by nature to mankind," said Archytas, "is sensual greed: this incites men to gratify their lusts heedlessly and uncontrollably, thus bringing about national betrayals, revolutions, and secret negotiations with the enemy. Lust will drive men to every sin and crime under the sun. Mere lust, without any additiona impulse, is the cause of rape, adultery, and every other sexual outrage. Nature, or a god, has given human beings a mind as their outstanding possession, and this divine gift and endowment has no worse foe than sensuality. For in the realm of the physical passions there can be no room for self-control; where self-indulgence reigns, decent behavior is excluded.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Selected_Works_Cicero_Marcus_Tullius/7g1OF04FoW8C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22third%20allegation%20against%22">Grant</a> (1960, 1971 ed.)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">I turn now to the third charge against old age -- one commonly leveled with vehemence: men say that it is cut off from pleasures. What a glorious blessing the years confer if they take away from us the greatest weakness that afflicts our younger days! Let me repeat to you, my dear young friends, what Archytas of Tarentum said many, many years ago. (He was one of the truly great -- a distinguished man -- and his discourse was reported to me when as a young man I visited Tarentum in the company of Quintus Maximus.) Archytas declared that nature had afflicted man with no plague more deadly than physical pleasure, since the hope of pleasure roused men’s desires to fever-pitch and spurred them on, like wild, unbridled beasts, to attainment.<br>
<span class="tab">Pleasure, he said, was the ultimate source of treason, of riot and rebellion, of clandestine negotiations with an enemy; to sum it up, there was no crime, no foul perversion, which men were not led to commit by the desire for pleasure. As for crimes of passion, adultery, and the like, he declared that pleasure and its blandishments were the sole cause of them "Here is man," said he. "Nature, or if you will, God, has given him nothing more precious and distinctive than his mind, yet nothing is so hostile to this blessing -- this godlike power -- as pleasure."<br>
<span class="tab">Further, he asserted that when the appetites had the upper hand there was no room left for self-discipline -- in fact, to put it generally, virtue could find no foothold anywhere in the kingdom of pleasure.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/onoldageonfriend0000unse/page/20/mode/2up?q=%22third+charge+against%22">Copley</a> (1967)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Now I come to the third reason why old age is so strenuously condemned: that when we are old we can’t enjoy sensual pleasures. On the contrary, what a gift it is that age takes away from us the most objectionable vices of the young! When I was a young man in the army, someone quoted to me from a speech -- and it is well worth listening to it today -- that was delivered long ago by a distinguished philosopher, Archytas of Tarentum. “Nature,” he said, “has never visited on man a more virulent pestilence than sex. There is nothing we will not do, however rash and ill-considered, in order to satisfy our desires. Sex has impelled men to treason, to revolution, to collusion with the enemy. Under the influence of sex, there is no criminal enterprise they will not undertake, no sin they will not commit. Infidelity, of course, and then any kind of depraved perversion you can think of -- all are driven by the search for sexual pleasure. Nature -- or perhaps some god -- has given us nothing more valuable than the power to reason; but there is nothing more inimical to reason than sex. Lust will always overcome self-control; there is no moral value that can stand up to the attacks of unbridled desire.”<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/redflareciceroso0000cice/page/32/mode/2up?q=archytas">Cobbold</a> (2012)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>THEY SAY OLD AGE DEPRIVES US OF ALMOST ALL OF THE PLEASURES.  Oh, this is a wonderful gift of old age, if it does indeed relieve us of most of the reasons youth gets itself into trouble. Remember, you young folks, the famous warning from Dr. Johnson, the especially great and famous eighteenth century savant. I came to admire him when I was a young man at Oxford. He said that the body is all vice. The body's avid desire for the pleasures makes it seek them rashly and without control until it finds gratification. Oh the trouble! These things often create traitors of their countries: they ruin governments and cause secret dealings with enemies. The desire for bodily pleasure drives people to commit debauchery, adultery, and crimes of all sorts. Since nature's (or God's) greatest gift to mankind is our reason, nothing is so harmful to God's gift than the desire for pleasure because it makes us act so irrationally. By golly, when we are in hot pursuit of pleasure, there is no place for modration or good sense. If the pleasure is too great and lasts too long, it will blot out any trace of rational thinking.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/How_To_Be_Old/OREcBAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22OLD%20AGE%20DEPRIVES%22">Gerberding</a> (2014)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Again old age is given a third censure.<br>
It is devoid, they say, of sensual pleasure,<br>
But that’s also a wonderful gift without price<br>
Taking from us youth’s most wicked vice!<br>
Listen, my good lads, to the time-honoured advice<br>
Of Archytas from Tarentum, great and blessed,<br>
Who in my young days his thoughts expressed,<br>
While I was in Tarentum with Q. Maximus:<br>
No evildoing can be worse than the voluptuous<br>
Pleasure of the senses was his complaint<br>
Which makes men blind and act with no restraint.<br>
From it descend treason, revolution and<br>
Pacts with the enemies of the Fatherland.<br>
All evil actions and crimes combined<br>
Have an urge for lust not far behind,<br>
And then adultery and lewdness<br>
Are set on fire by voluptuousness.<br>
There must have been some god who gave mankind,<br>
Or maybe it wasn’t a god but nature,<br>
The divine privilege of the mind<br>
Which is the enemy of pleasure.<br>
Indeed under the rule of passion<br>
Temperance has no place at all,<br>
And virtue can be kept in thrall<br>
By sensuality’s enticing coils.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.crtpesaro.it/Materiali/Latino/De%20Senectute.php#:~:text=Again%20old%20age,with%20no%20restraint.">Bozzi</a> (2015)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>We come now to the third objection to growing older -- that the pleasures of the flesh fade away. But if this is true, I say it is indeed a glorious gift that age frees us from youth's most destructive failing. Now listen, my most noble young friends, to the ancient words of that excellent and most distinguished young man, Archytas of Tarentum, repeated to me when I was serving as a young soldier in that very city with Quintus Maximus. He said the most fatal curse given to men by nature is sexual desire. From it spring passions of uncontrollable and reckless lust seeking gratification. From it come secret plotting with enemies, betrayals of one's country, and teh voer throw of governments. Indeed, there is no evil act, no unscrupulous deed that a man driven by lust will not perform. Uncontrolled sensuality will drive men to rape, adultery, and every other sexual outrage. And since nature -- or perhaps some god -- has given men no finer gift than human intelligence, this divine endowment has no greater foe than naked sensuality. Where lust rules, there is no place for self-control. And in the kingdom of self-indulgence, there is no room for decent behavior.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/How_to_Grow_Old/AW2YDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22third%20objection%20to%20growing%22">Freeman</a> (2016)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The third typical criticism of old age follows this, and that is that people complain that it lacks [sexual] pleasures. Oh! Glorious wealth of age, if it takes that from us, the most criminal part of youth! Take this from me, most noble young men, this is the ancient speech of Archytas of Tarentum, which was repeated to me when I was a young man working for Quintus Maximus there: “Nature has given man no deadlier a curse than sexual desire.”<br>
[tr. <a href="https://sententiaeantiquae.com/2019/09/03/a-not-so-tawdry-tuesday-cicero-talks-about-sex/#:~:text=De,datam">@sentantiq</a> (2019)]</blockquote><br>
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		<title>Augustine of Hippo -- Confessions, Book  2, ch.  2 / ¶  2 (2.2.2) (c. AD 398) [tr. Outler (1955)]</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what was it that delighted me save to love and to be loved? Still I did not keep the moderate way of the love of mind to mind &#8212; the bright path of friendship. Instead, the mists of passion steamed up out of the puddly concupiscence of the flesh, and the hot imagination of puberty, and they so obscured and overcast my heart that I was unable to distinguish pure affection from unholy desire. Both boiled confusedly within me, and dragged my unstable youth down over the cliffs of unchaste desires and plunged me into a gulf of infamy.</p>
<p><em>[Et quid erat quod me delectabat, nisi amare et amari? Sed non tenebatur modus ab animo usque ad animum quatenus est luminosus limes amicitiae, sed exhalabantur nebulae de limosa concupiscentia carnis et scatebra pubertatis, et obnubilabant atque obfuscabant cor meum, ut non discerneretur serenitas dilectionis a caligine libidinis. Utrumque in confuso aestuabat et rapiebat inbecillam aetatem per abrupta cupiditatum atque mersabat gurgite flagitiorum.]</em></p>
<br><b>Augustine of Hippo</b> (354–430) Christian church father, philosopher, saint [b. Aurelius Augustinus]<br><i>Confessions</i>, Book  2, ch.  2 / ¶  2 (2.2.2) (c. AD 398) [tr. Outler (1955)] 
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Agonizing over how horny he was at age 16.<br><br>

(<a href="https://faculty.georgetown.edu/jod/conf/text2.html#:~:text=et%20quid%20erat,mersabat%20gurgite%20flagitiorum.">Source (Latin)</a>). Other translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>And what was it that I delighted in, but to love, and be loved? but I kept not the measure of love, of mind to mind, friendship's bright boundary: but out of the muddy concupiscence of the flesh, and the bubblings of youth, mists fumed up which beclouded and overcast my heart, that I could not discern the clear brightness of love from the fog of lustfulness. Both did confusedly boil in me, and hurried my unstayed youth over the precipice of unholy desires, and sunk me in a gulf of flagitiousnesses.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://faculty.georgetown.edu/jod/augustine/Pusey/book02#:~:text=but%20out%20of,gulf%20of%20flagitiousnesses.">Pusey</a> (1838)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But what was it that I delighted in save to love and to be beloved? But I held it not in moderation, mind to mind, the bright path of friendship, but out of the dark concupiscence of the flesh, and the effervescence of youth exhalations came forth which obscured and overcast my heart, so that I was unable to discern pure affection from unholy desire. Both boiled confusedly within me, and dragged away my unstable youth into the rough places of unchaste desires, and plunged me into a gulf of infamy.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Nicene_and_Post-Nicene_Fathers:_Series_I/Volume_I/Confessions/Book_II/Chapter_2#:~:text=But%20what%20was,gulf%20of%20infamy.">Pilkington</a> (1876)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>And what was it that delighted me, but to love and to be loved? But the intercourse of mind with mind was not restricted within the clear bounds of honest love; but dense vapours arose from the miry lusts of the flesh, and the bubblings of youth, and clouded and darkened my heart; so that the clearness of true love could not be discerned from the thick mist of sensuality. Both boiled together confusedly within me, and carried away my weak young life over the precipices of passion, and merged me in a whirlpool of disgrace.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://hdl.handle.net/2027/hvd.hnfge9?urlappend=%3Bseq=50%3Bownerid=115683374-54">Hutchings</a> (1890)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Now what was it that gave me pleasure, save to love and to be loved? But I could not keep within the kingdom of light, where friendship binds soul to soul. From the quagmire of concupiscence, from the well of puberty, exhaled a mist which clouded and befogged my heart, so that I could not distinguish between the clear shining of affection and the darkness of lust. Both stormed confusedly within me, whirling my thoughtless youth over the precipices of desire, drowning it in the eddying pool of shame. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/confessionsofsai0000augu_z6r1/page/70/mode/2up?q=%22that+gave+me+pleasure%22">Bigg</a> (1897)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>My one delight was to love and to be loved. But in this I did not keep the measure of mind to mind, which is the luminous line of friendship; but from the muddy concupiscence of the flesh and the hot imagination of puberty mists steamed up to becloud and darken my heart so that I could not distinguish the white light of love from the fog of lust. Both love and lust boiled within me, and swept my youthful immaturity over the precipice of evil desires to leave me half drowned in a whirlpool of abominable sins.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/confessionsofsta0000augu_y4p5/page/26/mode/2up?q=%22my+one+delight%22">Sheed</a> (1943)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>What was there to bring me delight except to love and be loved? But that due measure between soul and soul, wherein lie the bright boundaries of friendship, was not kept. Clouds arose from the slimy desires of the flesh and from youth’s seething spring. They clouded over and darkened my soul, so that I could not distinguish the calm light of chaste love from the fog of lust. Both kinds of affection burned confusedly within me and swept my feeble youth over the crags of desire and plunged me into a whirlpool of shameful deeds.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/confessionsofsta0000augu_f2a7/page/22/mode/2up?q=%22What+was+there+to+bring%22">Ryan</a> (1960)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I cared for nothing but to love and be loved. But my love went beyond the affection of one mind for another, beyond the arc of the bright beam of friendship. Bodily desire, like a morass, and adolescent sex welling up within me exuded mists which clouded over and obscured my heart, so that I could not distinguish the clear light of true love from the murk of lust. Love and lust together seethed within me. In my tender youth they swept me away over the precipice of my body’s appetites and plunged me in the whirlpool of sin. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/saintaugustineco0000unse/page/42/mode/2up?q=%22i+cared+for+nothing%22">Pine-Coffin</a> (1961)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>And what was it that delighted me? Only this -- to love and be loved. But I could not keep that true measure of love, from one mind to another mind, which marks the bright and glad area of friendship. Instead I was among the foggy exhalations which proceed from the muddy cravings of the flesh and bubblings of first manhood. These so clouded over my heart and darkened it that I was unable to distinguish between the clear calm of love and the swirling mists of lust. I was storm-tossed by a confused mixture of the two and, in my weak, unstable age, swept over the precipices of desire and thrust into the whirlpools of vice.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/confessions0000augu_w6j8/page/40/mode/2up?q=%22what+was+it+that+delighted%22'">Warner</a> (1963)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>And what was it that gave me joy but to love and to be loved, love that was not held by that restraint which lies between mind and mind, where runs the boundary of friendship? From the miry, bubbling fleshly lust of youth, fogs arose which overclouded and darkened my heart, so that the difference between a tranquil affection and the blackness of lust was blurred. They boiled together in confusion, and snatched my weak years down the screes of impure desires to plunge me in a whirlpool of manifold wickedness.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/confessionsofsai0000augu_s6o1/page/40/mode/2up?q=%22and+what+was+it%22">Blaiklock</a> (1983)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>What was it that delighted me? Only loving and being loved. But there was no proper restraint, as in the union of mind with mind, where a bright boundary regulates friendship. From teh mud of my fleshly desires, and my erupting puberty, belched out murky clouds that obscured and darkened my heart, until I could not distinguish the clam light of love from the fog of lust. The two swirled about together and dragged me, young and weak as I was, over the cliffs of my desires, and engulfed me in a whirlpool of sins.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Confessions/7y6YJGRrXiQC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22What%20was%20it%20that%20delighted%20me%22">Boulding</a> (1997)]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Cicero, Marcus Tullius -- De Legibus [On the Laws], Book 1, ch. 19 / sec. 51 (1.19/1.51) [Marcus] (c. 51 BC) [tr. Barham/Yonge (1878)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[For what is there more hideous than avarice, more brutal than lust, more contemptible than cowardice, more base than stupidity and folly? Well, then, are we to call those persons unhappy, who are conspicuous for one or more of these, on account of some injuries, or disgraces, or sufferings to which they are exposed, or [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what is there more hideous than avarice, more brutal than lust, more contemptible than cowardice, more base than stupidity and folly? Well, then, are we to call those persons unhappy, who are conspicuous for one or more of these, on account of some injuries, or disgraces, or sufferings to which they are exposed, or on account of the moral baseness of their sins?</p>
<p><em>[Quid enim foedius auaritia, quid immanius libidine, quid contemptius timiditate, quid abiectius tarditate et stultitia dici potest? Quid ergo? Eos qui singulis uitiis excellunt aut etiam pluribus, propter damna aut detrimenta aut cruciatus aliquos miseros esse dicimus, an propter uim turpitudinemque uitiorum?]</em></p>
<br><b>Marcus Tullius Cicero</b> (106–43 BC) Roman orator, statesman, philosopher<br><i>De Legibus [On the Laws]</i>, Book 1, ch. 19 / sec. 51 (1.19/1.51) [Marcus] (c. 51 BC) [tr. Barham/Yonge (1878)] 
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(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2007.01.0030%3Abook%3D1%3Asection%3D51#:~:text=Quid%20enim%20foedius,turpitudinemque%20uitiorum%3F">Source (Latin)</a>). Other translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>For what is there more hideous than avarice, more ferocious than lust, more contemptible than cowardice, more base than stupidity and folly? Well, therefore, may we style unhappy, those persons in whom any one of these vices is conspicuous, not on account of the disgraces or losses to which they are exposed, but on account of the moral baseness of their sins.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/_/7C-1pvEYmIQC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=hideous">Barham</a> (1842)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>For what can be thought of that is more loathsome than greed, what more inhuman than lust, what more contemptible than cowardice, what more degraded than stupidity and folly? Well, then, shall we say that those who are sunk deepest in a single vice, or in several, are wretched on account of any penalties or losses or tortures which they incur, or on account of the base nature of the vices themselves?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/derepublicadeleg0000cice/page/354/mode/2up?q=lust">Keyes</a> (1928)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>What can be called more revolting than greed, more bestial than lust, more despicable than cowardice, more abject than dullness and stupidity? What then? Take those people who are conspicuous for one (or more than one) vice. Do we call them wretched because of the losses or damages or pain they suffer, or because of the power and ugliness of their vices?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/republicandlaws0000cice/page/114/mode/2up?q=%22more+revolting%22">Rudd</a> (1998)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>What is uglier than greed, what is more horrible than lust, what is more contemptible than cowardice, what is lower than sloth and stupidity? What then? People who are remarkable for single vices or even for several -- do we call them wretched because of material losses or torture, or because of the great dishonor from the vices themselves?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Cicero_On_the_Commonwealth_and_On_the_La/mwQvDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22uglier%20than%20greed%22">Zetzel</a> (1999)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>What could be called fouler than avarice, what more monstrous than lust, what more scorned than cowardice, what more despicable than dullness and foolishness? What then? Do we say about those who are conspicuous for their individual vices, or even many vices, that they are wretched because of losses or damages or tortures, or because of the significance and the disgrace of their vices? <br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/On_the_Republic_and_On_the_Laws/Rm1UAgAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22fouler%20than%20avarice%22">Fott</a> (2013)]</blockquote><br>
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		<title>Swift, Jonathan -- &#8220;Thoughts on Religion&#8221; (1726)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Although reason were intended by Providence to govern our passions; yet it seems that in two points of the greatest moment to the being and continuance of the world, God has intended our passions to prevail over reason. The first is, the propagation of our species; since no wise man ever married from the dictates [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although reason were intended by Providence to govern our passions; yet it seems that in two points of the greatest moment to the being and continuance of the world, God has intended our passions to prevail over reason. The first is, the propagation of our species; since no wise man ever married from the dictates of reason. The other is, the love of life; which, from the dictates of reason, every man would despise, and wish it at an end, or that it never had a beginning.</p>
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		<title>Dante Alighieri -- The Divine Comedy [Divina Commedia], Book 1 &#8220;Inferno,&#8221; Canto  5, l. 127ff (5.127-138) [Francesca] (1309) [tr. Binyon (1943)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[One day together, for pastime, we read Of Lancelot, and how Love held him in thrall. We were alone, and without any dread. Sometimes our eyes, at the word&#8217;s secret call, Met, and our cheeks a changing color wore. But it was one page only that did all. When we read how that smile, so [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p>One day together, for pastime, we read<br />
<span class="tab">Of Lancelot, and how Love held him in thrall.<br />
<span class="tab">We were alone, and without any dread.<br />
Sometimes our eyes, at the word&#8217;s secret call,<br />
<span class="tab">Met, and our cheeks a changing color wore.<br />
<span class="tab">But it was one page only that did all.<br />
When we read how that smile, so thirsted for,<br />
<span class="tab">Was kissed by such a lover, he that may<br />
<span class="tab">Never from me be separated more<br />
All trembling kissed my mouth. The book I say<br />
<span class="tab">Was a Galahalt to us, and he beside<br />
<span class="tab">that wrote that book. We read no more that day.</p>
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<p><em>[Noi leggiavamo un giorno per diletto<br />
<span class="tab">di Lancialotto come amor lo strinse;<br />
<span class="tab">soli eravamo e sanza alcun sospetto.<br />
Per più fïate li occhi ci sospinse<br />
<span class="tab">quella lettura, e scolorocci il viso;<br />
<span class="tab">ma solo un punto fu quel che ci vinse.<br />
Quando leggemmo il disïato riso<br />
<span class="tab">esser basciato da cotanto amante,<br />
<span class="tab">questi, che mai da me non fia diviso,<br />
la bocca mi basciò tutto tremante.<br />
<span class="tab">Galeotto fu &#8216;l libro e chi lo scrisse:<br />
<span class="tab">quel giorno più non vi leggemmo avante.]</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></em></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<br><b>Dante Alighieri</b> (1265–1321) Italian poet<br><i>The Divine Comedy [Divina Commedia]</i>, Book 1 <i>&#8220;Inferno,&#8221;</i> Canto  5, l. 127ff (5.127-138) [Francesca] (1309) [tr. Binyon (1943)] 
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In the Old French romance of Lancelot du Lac they were reading, Sir Gallehault (spelled variously) serves as go-between for Lancelot and Guinevere (a couple not able to express their love because of her marriage to King Arthur), and ultimately persuades the Queen to give Lancelot a first, dooming kiss. Similarly, Paolo was the intermediary to arrange the marriage of his brother, Gianciotto, and Francesca. After the marriage, reading together that racy tale of Lancelot seduced Paolo and Francesca into pursuing their carnal affair.<br><br>

The Italian form of Gallehault -- "Galeotto" or "Galleot" -- became Middle Ages Italian slang for a panderer or pimp, and Francesca draws on this meaning in her chat with the Pilgrim, blaming the book and its writer for her damning sins with Paolo. See also, earlier, <a href="https://wist.info/dante-alighieri-poet/57895/">here</a>.<br><br>

(<a href="https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Divina_Commedia/Inferno/Canto_V#:~:text=Noi%20leggiavamo%20un,vi%20leggemmo%20avante">Source (Italian)</a>). Other translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>Together we, for pleasure, one day read<br>
How strictly Lancelot was bound by love;<br>
We, then alone, without suspicion were:<br>
T'admire each other, often from the book<br>
Our eyes were ta'en, and oft our colour chang'd;<br>
That was the point of time which conqurer'd us,<br>
When, reading that her captivating smile<br>
Was by the Lover the adored kiss'd;<br>
This, my Companion, always with me seen,<br>
Fearful, and trembling, also kiss'd my mouth.<br>
The Writer, Galeotto, nam;d the Book.<br>
But from that day we never read in't more.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Inferno_of_Dante_Translated/1ARcAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22together%20we%22">Rogers</a> (1782), l. 113ff]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>One day (a day I ever must deplore!)<br>
The gentle youth, to spend a vacant hour,<br>
To me the soft seducing story read,<br>
Of Launcelot and fair Geneura's love,<br>
While fascinating all the quiet grove<br>
Fallacious Peace her snares around us spread.<br>
Too much I found th' insidious volume charm,<br>
And Paulo's mantling blushes rising warm;<br>
Still as he read the guilty secret told:<br>
Soon from the line his eyes began to stray;<br>
Soon did my yielding looks my heart betray,<br>
Nor needed words our wishes to unfold.<br>
Eager to realize the story'd bless,<br>
Trembling he snatch'd the half resented kiss,<br>
To ill soon lesson'd by the pandar-page!<br>
Vile pandar-page! it smooth'd the paths of shame.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinacommediaof01dantuoft/page/138/mode/2up?q=%22one+day+a+day%22">Boyd</a> (1802), st. 24-26]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">One day<br>
For our delight we read of Lancelot,<br>
<span class="tab">How him love thrall’d. Alone we were, and no<br>
<span class="tab">Suspicion near us. Ofttimes by that reading<br>
Our eyes were drawn together, and the hue<br>
<span class="tab">Fled from our alter’d cheek. But at one point<br>
<span class="tab">Alone we fell. When of that smile we read,<br>
The wished smile, rapturously kiss’d<br>
<span class="tab">By one so deep in love, then he, who ne’er<br>
<span class="tab">From me shall separate, at once my lips<br>
All trembling kiss’d. The book and writer both<br>
<span class="tab">Were love’s purveyors. In its leaves that day<br>
<span class="tab">We read no more.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/8789/8789-h/8789-h.htm#cantoI.6:~:text=One%20day%0AFor,read%20no%20more.">Cary</a> (1814)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>'Twas on a day when we for pastime read <br>
<span class="tab">Of Lancelot, whom love ensnared to ruin:<br> 
<span class="tab">We were alone, nor knew suspicious dread.<br>
That lesson oft, the conscious look renewing, <br>
<span class="tab">Held us suspense, and turned our cheeks to white; <br>
<span class="tab">But one sole moment wrought for our undoing:<br>
When of the kiss we read, from smile so bright. <br>
<span class="tab">So coveted, that such true-lover bore. <br>
<span class="tab">He, from my side who ne'er may disunite,<br>
Kissed me upon the mouth, trembling all o'er. <br>
<span class="tab">The broker of our Vows, it was the lay, <br>
<span class="tab">And he who wrote -- that day we read no more.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/infernodanteali02daymgoog/page/n42/mode/2up?q=%22when+we+for+pastime%22">Dayman</a> (1843)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">One day, for pastime, wwe read of Lancelot, how love restrained him; we were alone, and without all suspicion.<br>
<span class="tab">Several times that reading urged our eyes to meet, and changed the color of our faces; but one moment alone it was that overcame us.<br>
<span class="tab">When we read how the fond smile was kissed by such a lover, he, who shall never be divided from me,<br>
<span class="tab">kissed my mouth all trembling: the book, and he who wrote it, was a Galeotto; that day we read in it no farther.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Inferno/WqpEAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22one%20day%20for%20pastime%22">Carlyle</a> (1849)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>We were reading one day, for our delight,<br>
In Lancilotto, bound in love so strict.<br>
We were alone, and neither could suspect<br>
Suspended were our eyes, and more than once,<br>
In reading, and the visage colorless;<br>
One point it was lone that conquered us.<br>
When we read first of that -- the longed-for smile<br>
At being kissed by one who loved so well;<br>
Galeotti was the book -- he wrote it:<br>
That Day we read not there any farther.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/comedyofdanteal00dant/page/24/mode/2up?q=%22we+were+reading%22">Bannerman</a> (1850)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>One day we read, to pass a pleasant time,<br>
<span class="tab">How Lancelot was bound in chains of love;<br>
<span class="tab">Alone we were and no suspicion knew.<br>
often we sigh'd; and as we read our eyes<br>
<span class="tab">Each other sought, the color fled our cheeks;<br>
<span class="tab">But we were vanquish'd by one point alone.<br>
When we had read how the smile long desir'd<br>
<span class="tab">Was kiss'd by him who lov'd with such deep love,<br>
<span class="tab">This one, from me no more to be apart,<br>
Trembling all over, kiss'd me on the mouth.<br>
<span class="tab">Galeotto was the writer and the book;<br>
<span class="tab">In it we read no further on that day.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Translation_of_Dante_s_Inferno/dzvcz2MMLLMC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22one%20day%20we%20read%22">Johnston</a> (1867)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>One day we reading were for our delight<br>
<span class="tab">⁠Of Launcelot, how Love did him enthrall.<br>
<span class="tab">⁠Alone we were and without any fear.<br>
Full many a time our eyes together drew<br>
<span class="tab">⁠That reading, and drove the color from our faces;<br>
<span class="tab">⁠But one point only was it that o'ercame us.<br>
Whenas we read of the much longed-for smile<br>
<span class="tab">⁠Being by such a noble lover kissed,<br>
<span class="tab">⁠This one, who ne'er from me shall be divided,<br>
Kissed me upon the mouth all palpitating.<br>
<span class="tab">⁠Galeotto was the book and he who wrote it.<br>
<span class="tab">⁠That day no farther did we read therein.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Divine_Comedy_(Longfellow_1867)/Volume_1/Canto_5#:~:text=One%20day%20we,we%20read%20therein.">Longfellow</a> (1867)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>We were reading one day, for delight, of Lancelot, how Love constrained him; alone were we, and without any suspicion. Many times did that reading impel our eyes, and change the hue of our visages; but one point only was it that overcame us. When we read that the wished-for smile was kissed by such a lover, this one who never from me shall be parted kissed me on the mouth all trembling. A Gallehault was the book, and he who wrote it. That day we read no further in it.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/dli.granth.92729/page/62/mode/2up?q=%22how+love+constrained%22">Butler</a> (1885)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>We read one day for pleasure, in the song<br>
<span class="tab">Of Launcelot, how Love him captive made;<br>
<span class="tab">We were alone without one thought of wrong. <br>
Many and many a time our eyes delayed<br>
<span class="tab">The reading, and our faces paled apart;<br>
<span class="tab">One point alone it was that us betrayed. <br>
In reading of that worshipt smile o' the heart,<br>
<span class="tab">Kissed by such lover on her lips' red core.<br>
<span class="tab">This one, who never more from me must part,<br>
Kissed me upon the mouth, trembling all o'er:<br>
<span class="tab">For us our Galeotto was that book;<br>
<span class="tab">That day we did not read it any more.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedyofda00dantrich/page/20/mode/2up?q=%22we+read+one+day%22">Minchin</a> (1885)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>We were reading one day, for delight, of Lancelot, how love constrained him. We were alone and without any suspicion. Many times that reading made us lift our eyes, and took the color from our faces, but only one point was that which overcame us. When we read of the longed-for smile being kissed by such a lover, this one, who never from me shall be divided, kissed my mouth all trembling. Galahaut was the book, and he who wrote it. That day we read in it no farther.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1995/1995-h/1995-h.htm#cantoI.V:~:text=We%20were%20reading,it%20no%20farther.">Norton</a> (1892)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>We read one day, to while the hour, of Lancelot, how love enthralled him: we were alone, with never a thought of harm. And oft and oft that reading brought our eyes together and drave the colour to our cheeks ; but one point, only one, it was that overcame us. When that we came to read of how the smiling lips he loved were kissed by lover such as he, he that no more shall e'er be parted from me, kissed my mouth trembling through. Our Galahad was the book and he that penned it: that day we read in it no more.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/comedydantealig00sullgoog/page/n40/mode/2up?q=%22we+read+one+day%22">Sullivan</a> (1893)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>One day, by way of pastime, we were reading <br>
<span class="tab">Of Lancelot, how love in fetters held him: <br>
<span class="tab">We were alone, and without thought of danger.<br>
Full often did that reading bring together <br>
<span class="tab">Our glances, and made colourless our visage; <br>
<span class="tab">But just one point was that which overcame us:<br>
When as we read how that the smile much longed for <br>
<span class="tab">Was kissed by one so passionately loving, <br>
<span class="tab">He who from me shall never be divided<br>
Kissed me upon the mouth, all, all a-quiver: -- <br>
<span class="tab">A Galehalt was the book and he who wrote it: --<br>
<span class="tab">Upon that day we read therein no further.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/infernodanteali00grifgoog/page/n46/mode/2up?q=%22by+way+of+pastime%22">Griffith</a> (1908)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>We read one day for pastime of Lancelot, how love constrained him. We were alone and had no misgiving. Many times that reading drew our eyes together and changed the color in our faces, but one point alone it was that mastered us; when we read that the longed-fro smile was kissed by so great a lover, he who never shall be parted from me, all trembling, kissed my mouth. A Galeotto was the book and he that wrote it; that day we read in it no farther.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Divine_Comedy/7I7_cvKw8xkC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22we%20read%20one%20day%22">Sinclair</a> (1939)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>One day we read for pastime how in thrall<br>
<span class="tab">Lord Lancelot lay to love, who loved the Queen;<br>
<span class="tab">We were alone -- we thought no harm at all.<br>
As we read on, our eyes met now and then,<br>
<span class="tab">And to our cheeks the changing color started,<br>
<span class="tab">But just one moment overcame us -- when<br>
We read of the smile, desired of lips long-thwarted,<br>
<span class="tab">Such smile, by such a lover kissed away,<br>
<span class="tab">He that may never more from me be parted<br>
Trembling all over, kissed my mouth. I say<br>
<span class="tab">The book was Galleot, Galleot the complying<br>
<span class="tab">Ribald who wrote; we read no more that day.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedy00peng/page/100/mode/2up?q=%22one+day+we+read%22">Sayers</a> (1949)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>One day for dalliance we read the rhyme<br>
<span class="tab">of Lancelot, how love had mastered him.<br>
<span class="tab">We were alone with innocence and dim time.<br>
Pause after pause that high old story drew<br>
<span class="tab">our eyes together while we blushed and paled;<br>
<span class="tab">but it was one soft passage overthrew<br>
our caution and our hearts. For when we read<br>
<span class="tab">how her fond smile was kissed by such a lover,<br>
<span class="tab">he who is one with me alive and dead<br>
breathed on my lips the tremor of his kiss.<br>
<span class="tab">That book, and he who wrote it, was a pander.<br>
<span class="tab">That day we read no further.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/infernoverserend00dantrich/page/60/mode/2up?q=%22day+for+dalliance%22">Ciardi</a> (1954), l. 124ff] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>One day, for pastime, we reqd of Lancelot, how love constrained him; we were alone, suspecting nothing. Several times that reading urged our eyes to meet and too the color from our faces, but one moment alone it was that overcame us. When we read how the longed-for smile was kissed by so great a lover, this one, who never shll be parted from me, kissed my mouth all trembling. A Gallehault was the book and he who wrote it; that day we read no farther in it.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/inferno0000dant/page/n65/mode/2up?q=%22one+day+for+pastime%22">Singleton</a> (1970)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>One day we read, to pass the time away,<br>
<span class="tab">of Lancelot, how he had fallen in love;<br>
<span class="tab">we were alone, innocent of suspicion.<br>
Time and again our eyes were brought together<br>
<span class="tab">by the book we read; our faces flushed and paled.<br>
<span class="tab">To the moment of one line alone we yielded:<br>
it was when we read about those longed-for lips<br>
<span class="tab">now being kissed by such a famous lover,<br>
<span class="tab">that this one (who shall never leave my side)<br>
then kissed my mouth, and trembled as he did.<br>
<span class="tab">The book and its author was our galehot!<br>
<span class="tab">That day we read no further.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/dantesinferno00dant/page/40/mode/2up?q=%22one+day+we+read%22">Musa</a> (1971)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>One day, to pass the time away, we read<br>
<span class="tab">of Lancelot -- how love had overcome him.<br>
<span class="tab">We were alone, and we suspected nothing.<br>
And time and time again that reading led<br>
<span class="tab">our eyes to meet, and made our faces pale,<br>
<span class="tab">and yet one point alone defeated us.<br>
When we had read how the desired smile<br>
<span class="tab">was kissed by one who was so true a lover,<br>
<span class="tab">this one, who never shall be parted from me,<br>
while all his body trembled, kissed my mouth.<br>
<span class="tab">A Gallehault indeed, that book and he<br>
<span class="tab">who wrote it, too; that day we read no more.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/lccn_83048678/page/46/mode/2up?q=%22one+day+to+pass%22">Mandelbaum</a> (1980)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>One day, when we were reading, for distraction,<br>
<span class="tab">How Lancelot was overcome by love --<br>
<span class="tab">We were alone, without any suspicion;<br>
Several times, what we were reading forced<br>
<span class="tab">Our eyes to meet, and then we changed color:<br>
<span class="tab">But one page only was more than we could bear.<br>
When we read how that smile, so much desired,<br>
<span class="tab">Was kissed by such a lover, in the book,<br>
<span class="tab">He, who will never be divided from me,<br>
Kissed my mouth, he was trembling as he did so;<br>
<span class="tab">The book, the writer played the part of Galahalt:<br>
<span class="tab">That day we got no further with our reading.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedy0000dant/page/68/mode/2up?q=%22when+we+were+reading%22">Sisson</a> (1981)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>One day, for pleasure,<br>
We read of Lancelot, by love constrained:<br>
Alone, suspecting nothing, at our leisure.<br>
Sometimes at what we read our glances joined,<br>
Looking from the book each to the other's eyes,<br>
And then the color in our faces drained.<br>
But one particular moment alone it was<br>
Defeated us: <i>the longed-for smile,</i> it said,<br>
<i>Was kissed by that most noble lover:</i> at this,<br>
This one, who now will never leave my side,<br>
Kissed my mouth, trembling. A Galeotto, that book!<br>
And so was he who wrote it; that day we read<br>
No further.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/infernoofdantene00dant/page/42/mode/2up?q=%22one+day+for+pleasure%22">Pinsky</a> (1994), l. 112ff]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">We were reading one day, for pleasure, of Lancelot, how Love beset him; we were alone and without any suspicion.<br>
<span class="tab">Many times that reading drove our eyes together and turned our faces pale; but one point alone was the one that overpowered us.<br>
<span class="tab">When we read that the yearned-for smile was kissed by so great a lover, he, who will never be separated from me,<br>
<span class="tab">kissed my mouth all trembling. Galeotto was the book and he who wrote it: that day we read there no further.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedyofda0001dant_u1l7/page/92/mode/2up?q=%22reading+one+day%22">Durling</a> (1996)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>We read, one day, to our delight, of Lancelot and how love constrained him: we were alone and without suspicion. Often those words urged our eyes to meet, and coloured our cheeks, but it was a single moment that undid us. When we read how that lover kissed the beloved smile, he who will never be separated from me, kissed my mouth all trembling. That book was a Galeotto, a <i>pandar,</i> and he who wrote it: that day we read no more.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Italian/DantInf1to7.php#anchor_Toc64090929:~:text=We%20read%2C%20one,read%20no%20more.">Kline</a> (2002)]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>One day, to pass the time, we read of<br>
<span class="tab">Lancelot, who loved illicitly.<br>
<span class="tab">Just the two of us; we had not thought of what, as yet, was not.<br>
From time to time that reading urged our eyes to meet.<br>
<span class="tab">and made our faces flush and pale,<br>
<span class="tab">but one point in the story changed our lives;<br>
for when we read of how the longed-for smile<br>
<span class="tab">was kissed by such a noble knight,<br>
<span class="tab">the one who for eternity is by my side all trembling<br>
kissed my trembling mouth.<br>
<span class="tab">The man who wrote this was a Galeotto; so was the book.<br>
<span class="tab">That day the rest of it remained unscanned.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Inferno_of_Dante_Alighieri/B8DHyhZK8ZQC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22one%20day%20to%20pass%22">Carson</a> (2002)]</blockquote><br>


<blockquote>One day we read together for pure joy<br>
<span class="tab">how Lancelot was taken in Love's palm.<br>
<span class="tab">We were alone. We knew no suspicion.<br>
Time after time, the words we read would lift<br>
<span class="tab">our eyes and drawn all color from our faces.<br>
<span class="tab">A single point, however, vanquished us.<br>
For when at last we read the longed-for smile <br>
<span class="tab">of Guinevere -- at last her lover kissed --<br>
<span class="tab">he, who from me will never now depart,<br>
touched his kiss, trembling to my open mouth.<br>
<span class="tab">This book was <i>Galehault</i> -- pander-penned, the pimp!<br>
<span class="tab">That day we read no further down those lines.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedy0000dant_l7y1/page/24/mode/2up?q=%22one+day+we+read%22">Kirkpatrick</a> (2006)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>One day, to pass the time in pleasure,<br>
<span class="tab">we read of Lancelot, how love enthralled him.<br>
<span class="tab">We were alone, without the least misgiving.<br>
More than once that reading made our eyes meet<br>
<span class="tab">and drained the color from our faces.<br>
<span class="tab">Still, it was a single instant overcame us:<br>
When we read how the longed-for smile<br>
<span class="tab">was kissed by so renowned a lover, this man,<br>
<span class="tab">who never shall be parted from me,<br>
all trembling, kissed me on my mouth.<br>
<span class="tab">A Galeotto was the book and he that wrote it.<br>
<span class="tab">That day we read in it no further.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://dante.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/dante/campuscgi/mpb/GetCantoSection.pl?LANG=2&INP_POEM=Inf&INP_SECT=5&INP_START=127&INP_LEN=12">Hollander/Hollander</a> (2007)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>One day we read the story of Lancelot<br>
<span class="tab">And how his love attacked and held him tight.<br>
<span class="tab">We were alone and unaware of our thoughts.<br>
More than once the story forced our eyes<br>
<span class="tab">To meet, and as we looked our faces turned pale,<br>
<span class="tab">But just one single moment hung and decided<br>
Us. We read how a smile we longed for stayed<br>
<span class="tab">On her lips until the greatest of lovers kissed them,<br>
<span class="tab">And then this man, who cannot be taken away<br>
From me, kissed my mouth, his body trembling.<br>
<span class="tab">A famous go-between had written that tale.<br>
<span class="tab">That day, our time for reading suddenly ended.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Divine_Comedy/WZyBj-s9PfsC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22one%20day%20we%20read%22">Raffel</a> (2010)] </blockquote><br>






<blockquote>One day, to amuse ourselves, we were reading<br>
<span class="tab">The tales of love-struck Lancelot; we were all alone,<br>
<span class="tab">And naively unaware of what could happen.<br>
More than once, while reading, we looked up<br>
<span class="tab">And saw the other looking back. We'd blush, then pale,<br>
<span class="tab">Then look down again. Until a moment did us in.<br>
We were reading about the longed-for kiss<br>
<span class="tab">The great lover gives his Guinevere, when that one<br>
<span class="tab">From whom I'll now never be parted,<br>
Trembling, kissed my lips. <br>
<span class="tab">That author and his book played the part <br>
<span class="tab">Of Gallehault. We read no more that day.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://auhumanitieslab.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Mary-Jo-Bang-trans_Dante-Inferno_Cantos-5-through-9.pdf">Bang</a> (2012)]</blockquote><br>






<blockquote>Reading together one day for delight<br>
Or Lancelot, caught up in Love's sweet snare,<br>
We were alone, with no thought of what might<br>
Occur to us, although we stopped to stare<br>
Sometimes at what we read, and even paled.<br>
But then the moment came we turned a page<br>
And all our powers of resistance failed:<br>
When we read of that great knight in a rage<br>
To kiss the smile he so desired. Paolo,<br>
This one so quiet now, made my mouth still --<br>
Which, loosened by those words, had trembled so --<br>
With his mouth. And right then we lost the will --<br>
For Love can will will's loss, as well you know --<br>
To read on. But let that man take a bow<br>
Who wrote the book we called our Galahad,<br>
The reason nothing can divide us now.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/inferno0000dant_y2l4/page/30/mode/2up?q=%22reading+together%22">James</a> (2013), l. 149ff]</blockquote><br>
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		<title>Dante Alighieri -- The Divine Comedy [Divina Commedia], Book 1 &#8220;Inferno,&#8221; Canto  5, l.  37ff (5.37-45) (1309) [tr. Ciardi (1954)]</title>
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<p>And this, I learned, was the never ending flight<br />
<span class="tab">of those who sinned in the flesh, the carnal and lusty<br />
<span class="tab">who betrayed reason to their appetite.<br />
As the wings of wintering starlings bear them on<br />
<span class="tab">in their great wheeling flights, just so the blast<br />
<span class="tab">wherries these evil souls through time foregone.<br />
Here, there, up, down, they whirl, and whirling, strain<br />
<span class="tab">with never a hope of hope to comfort them,<br />
<span class="tab">not of release, but even of less pain.</p>
<p><em>[Intesi ch’a così fatto tormento<br />
<span class="tab">enno dannati i peccator carnali,<br />
<span class="tab">che la ragion sommettono al talento.<br />
E come li stornei ne portan l’ali<br />
<span class="tab">nel freddo tempo, a schiera larga e piena,<br />
<span class="tab">così quel fiato li spiriti mali<br />
di qua, di là, di giù, di sù li mena;<br />
<span class="tab">nulla speranza li conforta mai,<br />
<span class="tab">non che di posa, ma di minor pena.]</span></span></span></span></span></span></em></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<br><b>Dante Alighieri</b> (1265–1321) Italian poet<br><i>The Divine Comedy [Divina Commedia]</i>, Book 1 <i>&#8220;Inferno,&#8221;</i> Canto  5, l.  37ff (5.37-45) (1309) [tr. Ciardi (1954)] 
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(<a href="https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Divina_Commedia/Inferno/Canto_V#:~:text=Intesi%20ch%E2%80%99a%20cos%C3%AC,di%20minor%20pena.">Source (Italian)</a>). Other translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>Those who such torments suffered, I learnt,<br>
<span class="tab">Were condemn'd to them for their carnal Sins,<br>
<span class="tab">Their reason by their Passion being subdued.<br>
And as the Birds, who at the first approach<br>
<span class="tab">Of cold, take wing, and gather in thick clouds,<br>
<span class="tab">So does the Storm these wretched Spirits drive,<br>
From 'bove, below, and ev'ry side around.<br>
<span class="tab">They have no hope of ever being releas'd:<br>
<span class="tab">And e'en of lighter punishments despair.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Inferno_of_Dante_Translated/1ARcAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1bsq=%22torments%20fuffered%22">Rogers</a> (1782), l. 32ff]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>These were the hapless slaves of lawless love,<br>
Soft pleasure's vot'ries in the world above,<br>
Who the still voice of reason held in scorn;<br>
And as a flight of starlings wing their way,<br>
Riding the wintry blast in long array,<br>
<span class="tab">The phantoms fleet, in airy tumult borne.<br>
Aloft we saw the moody revel ride,<br>
Then, in long eddies, like the swallowing tide,<br>
With its full freight the hurricane descends:<br>
Around the sinner sweep, above, below,<br>
Nor respite of their cares rest they, nor refuge know<br>
<span class="tab">From the resistless storm that never ends.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinacommediaof01dantuoft/page/130/mode/2up?q=%22Thefe+were+the+haplefs%22">Boyd</a> (1802), st. 8-9]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I understood that to this torment sad<br>
<span class="tab">The carnal sinners are condemn'd, in whom<br>
<span class="tab">Reason by lust is sway'd. As in large troops<br>
And multitudinous, when winter reigns,<br>
<span class="tab">The starlings on their wings are borne abroad;<br>
<span class="tab">So bears the tyrannous gust those evil souls.<br>
On this side and on that, above, below,<br>
<span class="tab">It drives them: hope of rest to solace them<br>
<span class="tab">Is none, nor e'en of milder pang.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/8789/8789-h/8789-h.htm#link5:~:text=I%20understood%20that,of%20milder%20pang.">Cary</a> (1814)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Then understood I of that woe's intent,<br>
<span class="tab">How framed with sinners in the flesh to deal<br>
<span class="tab">Who to their passion have their reason bent.<br>
And like as starlings in their aery wheel<br>
<span class="tab">Some winter's day float wide upon the wing.<br>
<span class="tab">So doth those guilty souls the whirlwind's reel<br>
Now up, now down, now this, now that way fling;<br>
<span class="tab">Nor aught to comfort them may soothing hope.<br>
<span class="tab">If not of rest, of milder sufferance bring.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/infernodanteali02daymgoog/page/n38/mode/2up?q=%22then+understood+i%22">Dayman</a> (1843)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">I learnt that to such torment [are] doomed the carnal sinners, who subject reason to lust.<br>
<span class="tab">And as their wings bear along the starlings, at the cold season, in large and crowded troop: so that blast, the evil spirits;<br>
<span class="tab">hither, thither, down, up, it leads them. No hope ever comforts them, not of rest, but even of less pain.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Inferno/WqpEAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22i%20learnt%20that%22">Carlyle</a> (1849)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Of torment such as this, I understood,<br>
<span class="tab">Were carnal sinners made to drink their fill,<br>
<span class="tab">Their reason who subject unto their will.<br>
And as the starlings spread their wings aloft<br>
<span class="tab">In the cold time, in long and crowded flock,<br>
<span class="tab">Such are the evil spirits to the shock:<br>
From here to there, from low to high, it leads;<br>
<span class="tab">Nor hope nor comfort in their breast remain,<br>
<span class="tab">Not of a pause, but even of lesser pain.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/comedyofdanteal00dant/page/20/mode/2up?q=%22torment+such+as+this%22">Bannerman</a> (1850)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Then I perceiv'd this torment was to those<br>
<span class="tab">Whose condemnation was for carnal sins,<br>
<span class="tab">Who made their reason subject to their lusts.<br>
As starlings in their wingèd strength are borne<br>
<span class="tab">In winter season, flocking wide and deep;<br>
<span class="tab">So are the wicked spirits by this blast<br>
Upwards and downwards, hither, thither swept,<br>
<span class="tab">Having to comfort them of no hope of rest<br>
<span class="tab">From their great woe, nor e'en of lesser pain.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Translation_of_Dante_s_Inferno/dzvcz2MMLLMC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22Then%20I%20perceiv%27d%22">Johnston</a> (1867)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I understood that unto such a torment<br>
<span class="tab">The carnal malefactors were condemned,<br>
<span class="tab">Who reason subjugate to appetite.<br>
And as the wings of starlings bear them on<br>
<span class="tab">In the cold season in large band and full,<br>
<span class="tab">So doth that blast the spirits maledict;<br>
It hither, thither, downward, upward, drives them;<br>
<span class="tab">No hope doth comfort them forevermore,<br>
<span class="tab">Not of repose, but even of lesser pain.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Divine_Comedy_(Longfellow_1867)/Volume_1/Canto_5#:~:text=I%20understood%20that,subjugate%20to%20appetite.">Longfellow</a> (1867)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I was aware that to a torment thus fashioned are condemned the carnal sinners who made their reason subject to their inclination. And as their wings bear away the starlings in the cold season, in a broad and thick flock, so did that blast the evil spirits. On this side, on that, up and down it sways them; no hope ever comforts them, I say not of rest, but of a lesser penalty.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/dli.granth.92729/page/54/mode/2up?q=%22i+was+aware+that+to%22">Butler</a> (1885)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Then did I understand that this was pain<br>
<span class="tab">Reserved for those who sin in carnal things,<br>
<span class="tab">And over reason their desires maintain.<br>
And, like the summer starlings, stretch their wings<br>
<span class="tab">In the cold time, in large and ample train,<br>
<span class="tab">So that wild wind those evil spirits swings<br>
Hither and thither, up and down again;<br>
<span class="tab">No hope can comfort them of far repose<br>
<span class="tab">For evermore, nor even of lesser pain.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedyofda00dantrich/page/18/mode/2up?q=%22then+did+i+understand%22">Minchin</a> (1885)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I understood that to such torment are condemned the carnal sinners who subject reason to appetite. And as their wings bear along the starlings in the cold season in a troop large and full, so that blast the evil spirits; hither, thither, down, up it carries them; no hope ever comforts them, not of repose, but even of less pain.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1995/1995-h/1995-h.htm#cantoI.V:~:text=I%20understood%20that,of%20less%20pain.">Norton</a> (1892)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I came to know that to tortures of such a kind were doomed sinners in the flesh, who make their better judg- ment the thrall of lust. And as in winter time starlings are borne on their wings, in large and crowded flock; even so beareth this blast these sinful spirits. Hither and thither, high and low, it whirleth them, nor ever cometh hope of any rest to cheer them, nor even of lesser punishment.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/comedydantealig00sullgoog/page/n38/mode/2up?q=%22i+came+to+know%22">Sullivan</a> (1893)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I understood that unto such like torment<br>
<span class="tab">Are damned eternally the carnal sinners.<br>
<span class="tab">Who make their reason subject to their passions.<br>
And as their pinions bear along the starlings,<br>
<span class="tab">In the chill time, in wide and full battahon,<br>
<span class="tab">In such wise doth that blast the wicked spirits:<br>
Hither and thither, up and down, it bears them;<br>
<span class="tab">Nor any hope encourages them ever.<br>
<span class="tab">Not to say hope of rest, but of less torment.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/infernodanteali00grifgoog/page/n42/mode/2up?q=%22such+like+torment%22">Griffith</a> (1908)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I learned that to such torment are condemned the carnal sinners who subject reason to desire. As in the cold season their wings bear the starlings along in a broad, dense flock, so does that blast the wicked spirits. Hither, thither, downward, upward, it drives them; no hope ever comforts them, not to say of rest, but of less pain.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Divine_Comedy/7I7_cvKw8xkC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22i%20learned%20that%20to%20such%22">Sinclair</a> (1939)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I learnt that in such restless violence blown<br>
<span class="tab">This punishment the carnal sinners share<br>
<span class="tab">Whose reason by desire was over thrown.<br>
And as their beating wings the starlings bear<br>
<span class="tab">At the cold season, in broad, flocking flight,<br>
<span class="tab">So those corrupted spirits were rapt in air<br>
To and fro, down, up, driven in helpless plight<br>
<span class="tab">Comforted by no hope ever to lie<br>
<span class="tab">At rest, nor even to bear a pain more light.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/portabledante00dant/page/26/mode/2up?q=%22I+learnt+that%22">Binyon</a> (1943)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Into this torment carnal sinners are thrust,<br>
<span class="tab">So I was told -- the sinners who make their reason<br>
<span class="tab">Bond thrall under the yoke of their lust.<br>
Like as the starlings wheel in the wintry season<br>
<span class="tab">In wide and clustering flocks wing-borne, wind-borne,<br>
<span class="tab">Even so they go, the souls who did this treason,<br>
Hither and thither, and up and down, outworn,<br>
<span class="tab">Hopeless of any rest -- rest, did I say?<br>
<span class="tab">Of the least minishing of their pangs forlorn.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedy00peng/page/98/mode/2up?q=%22into+this+torment%22">Sayers</a> (1949)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">I learned that to such torment are condemned the carnal sinners, who subject reason to desire.<br>
<span class="tab">And as their wings bear the starlings along in the cold season, in wide, dense flocks, so does that blast the sinful spirits; hither, thither, downward, upward, it drives them. No hope of less pain, not to say of rest, ever comforts them.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/inferno0000dant/page/n59/mode/2up?q=%22i+learned+that+to+such%22">Singleton</a> (1970)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I learned that to this place of punishment<br>
<span class="tab">all those who sin in lust have been condemned,<br>
<span class="tab">those who make reason slave to appetite;<br>
and as the wings of starlings in the winter<br>
<span class="tab">bear them along in wide-spread crowded flocks,<br>
<span class="tab">so does that wind propel the evil spirits:<br>
here, then there, and up and down, it sweeps them<br>
<span class="tab">forever, without hope to comfort them<br>
<span class="tab">(hope, not of taking rest, but of suffering less).<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/dantesinferno00dant/page/38/mode/2up?q=%22i+learned+that+to%22">Musa</a> (1971)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I learned that those who undergo this torment<br>
<span class="tab">are damned because they sinned within the flesh,<br>
<span class="tab">subjecting reason to the rule of lust.<br>
And as, in the cold season, starlings' wings<br>
<span class="tab">bear them along in broad and crowded ranks,<br>
<span class="tab">so does that blast bear on the guilty spirits:<br>
now here, now there, now down, now up, it drives them.<br>
<span class="tab">There is no hope that ever comforts them --<br>
<span class="tab">no hope for rest and none for lesser pain.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/lccn_83048678/page/42/mode/2up?q=%22i+learned+that+those%22">Mandelbaum</a> (1980)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I understood it is to this torment<br>
<span class="tab">That are condemned those who sin in the flesh,<br>
<span class="tab">And let their reason give way to their wishes.<br>
And, as starlings are carried on their wings<br>
<span class="tab">In the cold weather, in a vast wavering troop,<br>
<span class="tab">So that breath carries the unfortunate spirits:<br>
It drives them here and there, now down, now up;<br>
<span class="tab">There is no hope ever to comfort them;<br>
<span class="tab">They cannot stop, or ever suffer less pain.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedy0000dant/page/64/mode/2up?q=%22i+understood+it+is+to+this+torment%22">Sisson</a> (1981)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab">I learned<br>
<span class="tab">They suffer here who sinned in carnal things --<br>
<span class="tab">Their reason mastered by desire, suborned.<br>
As winter starlings ride on their wings<br>
<span class="tab">Form crowded flocks, so spirits dip and veer<br>
<span class="tab">Foundering in the wind's rough buffetings,<br>
Upward or downward, driven here and there<br>
<span class="tab">With never ease from pain nor hope of rest.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/infernoofdantene00dant/page/38/mode/2up?q=%22sinned+in+carnal+things%22">Pinsky</a> (1994), l. 34ff]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">I understood that to this torment were damned the carnal sinners, who subject their reason to their lust.<br>
<span class="tab">nd as their wings carry off the starlings in the cold season, in large, full flocks, so does that breath carry the evil spirits<br>
<span class="tab">here, there, down, up; no hope ever comforts them, not of lessened suffering, much less of rest.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedyofda0001dant_u1l7/page/88/mode/2up?q=%22i+understood+that+to%22">Durling</a> (1996)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">I learnt that the carnal sinners are condemned to these torments, they who subject their reason to their lust.<br>
<span class="tab">And, as their wings carry the starlings, in a vast, crowded flock, in the cold season, so that wind carries the wicked spirits, and leads them here and there, and up and down. No hope of rest, or even lesser torment, comforts them.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Italian/DantInf1to7.php#anchor_Toc64090927:~:text=I%20learnt%20that,torment%2C%20comforts%20them.">Kline</a> (2002)]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>And then I learned such torments are incurred<br>
<span class="tab">by those who like to practice carnal sin, <br>
<span class="tab">when reason is by furtive lust ensnared.<br>
As starlings, when the evenings draw in, <br>
<span class="tab">assemble in  tremendous seething flocks,<br>
<span class="tab">so are those dark souls gathered by the wind,<br>
and hurtled to and fro in random flecks<br>
<span class="tab">devoid of hope of rest, or rest from pain<br>
<span class="tab">to which they are eternally affixed.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Inferno_of_Dante_Alighieri/B8DHyhZK8ZQC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22learned%20such%20torments%22">Carson</a> (2002)]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>Caught in this torment, as I understood,<br>
<span class="tab">were those who -- here condemned for carnal sin --<br>
<span class="tab">made reason bow to their instinctual bent.<br>
As starlings on the wing in winter chills<br>
<span class="tab">are borne along in wide and teeming flocks,<br>
<span class="tab">so on these breathing gusts the evil souls.<br>
This way and that and up and down they're borne.<br>
<span class="tab">Here is no hope of any comfort ever,<br>
<span class="tab">neither of respite nor of lesser pain.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedy0000dant_l7y1/page/22/mode/2up?q=%22caught+in+this+torment%22">Kirkpatrick</a> (2006)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I understood that to such torment<br>
<span class="tab">the carnal sinners are condemned,<br>
<span class="tab">they who make reason subject to desire.<br>
As, in cold weather, the wings of starlings<br>
<span class="tab">bear them up in wide, dense flocks,<br>
<span class="tab">so does that blast propel the wicked spirits.<br>
Here and there, down and up, it drives them.<br>
<span class="tab">Never are they comforted by hope<br>
<span class="tab">of rest or even lesser punishment.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://dante.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/dante/campuscgi/mpb/GetCantoSection.pl?LANG=2&INP_POEM=Inf&INP_SECT=5&INP_START=37&INP_LEN=9">Hollander/Hollander</a> (2007)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I learned that sinners blown, tormented in bursting<br>
<span class="tab">Gales, are those condemned by acts of lust,<br>
<span class="tab">Which melt our reason down in desire and thirst.<br>
Just as their wings, stretched wide, hold starlings up<br>
<span class="tab">In great, wide flocks fleeing freezing weather,<br>
<span class="tab">So those windstorms force the wicked souls<br>
This way, that way, down and up together.<br>
<span class="tab">No hope can ever ease their pain, giver comfort;<br>
<span class="tab">They never rest, never suffer less.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Divine_Comedy/WZyBj-s9PfsC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22I%20learned%20that%20sinners%22">Raffel</a> (2010)]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>I learned this special kind of torment is reserved<br>
<span class="tab">For those whose ravenous appetite for carnal knowledge<br>
<span class="tab">Allowed lust to triumph over reason.<br>
Like wings carry starlings off in crowded flocks<br>
<span class="tab">When the end of October hints at winter, so the wind<br>
<span class="tab">Carried these sinners: up, down, and at an angle.<br>
In broad and compact masses.<br>
<span class="tab">What is there to comfort them? Neither more peace<br>
<span class="tab">Nor less pain, although they beg for both.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://auhumanitieslab.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Mary-Jo-Bang-trans_Dante-Inferno_Cantos-5-through-9.pdf">Bang</a> (2012)]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote><span class="tab">I understood this was the punishment<br>
For carnal sinners, who let appetite<br>
Rule reason, and who, once drawn, are now sent --<br>
Like winter starlings by their wings in flight --<br>
Across the bleak sky in a broad, thick flock:<br>
Here, there, now up, now down, the winds dictate<br>
Their track. Small hope of pausing to take stock<br>
Of whether anguish might not soon abate<br>
At least a little, and no hope at all<br>
Of peace.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/inferno0000dant_y2l4/page/26/mode/2up?q=%22i+understood+this+was%22">James</a> (2013), l. 47ff]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Shakespeare, William -- All&#8217;s Well That Ends Well, Act 1, sc. 3, l.  28ff (1.3.28-31) (1602?)</title>
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<br><b>William Shakespeare</b> (1564–1616) English dramatist and poet<br><i>All&#8217;s Well That Ends Well</i>, Act 1, sc. 3, l.  28ff (1.3.28-31) (1602?) 
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		<description><![CDATA[Wretchedness is caused by emotional disturbances, and the happy life by calmness, and disturbance takes two forms &#8212; anxiety and fear in expecting evils, ecstatic joy and lustful thoughts in misunderstanding good things, all of which are at variance with with wisdom and reason. Accordingly, if a man possesses self-control and consistency, and is without [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wretchedness is caused by emotional disturbances, and the happy life by calmness, and disturbance takes two forms &#8212; anxiety and fear in expecting evils, ecstatic joy and lustful thoughts in misunderstanding good things, all of which are at variance with with wisdom and reason. Accordingly, if a man possesses self-control and consistency, and is without fear, distress, excitability, or lust, is he not happy? But this is the nature of the wise man always, so he is happy always.</p>
<p><em>[Atque cum perturbationes animi miseriam, sedationes autem vitam efficiant beatam, duplexque ratio perturbationis sit, quod aegritudo et metus in malis opinatis, in bonorum autem errore laetitia gestiens libidoque versetur, quae omnia cum consilio et ratione pugnent, his tu tam gravibus concitationibus tamque ipsis inter se dissentientibus atque distractis quem vacuum solutum liberum videris, hunc dubitabis beatum dicere? atqui sapiens semper ita adfectus est; semper igitur sapiens beatus est.]</em></p>
<br><b>Marcus Tullius Cicero</b> (106–43 BC) Roman orator, statesman, philosopher<br><i>Tusculan Disputations [Tusculanae Disputationes]</i>, Book 5, ch. 15 (5.15) / sec. 43 (45 BC) [tr. Davie (2017)] 
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(<a href="http://data.perseus.org/citations/urn:cts:latinLit:phi0474.phi049.perseus-lat1:5.43">Source (Latin)</a>). Other translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>Now since the Disturbances of the Soul render the Life miserable, but the composure of them happy; and there is a double rank of Passions; in that, Discontent and Fear are terminated on Evils conceiv'd; but excessive Mirth and Lust arise from the misapprehension of good things, since all are inconsistent with Advice and Reason, if you shall see any one clear, emancipated, free from these emotions so vehement, so discordant one with the other, and so distracting, can you make any question of calling him Happy? But the Wise man is always so dispos'd, therefore the Wise man is always Happy.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A33161.0001.001/1:7.15?rgn=div2;view=fulltext#:~:text=NOW%20since%20the,is%20always%20Happy.">Wase</a> (1643)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But as the perturbations of the mind make life miserable, and tranquility renders it happy: and as these perturbations are of two sorts; grief and fear, proceeding from imagined evils, immoderate joy and lust, from the mistake of what is good; and all these are in opposition to reason and counsel; when you see a man at ease, quite free and disengaged from such troublesome commotions, which are so much at variance with one another, can you hesitate to pronounce such a one a happy man? Now the wise man is always in such a disposition: therefore the wise man is always happy.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://hdl.handle.net/2027/umn.31951002010497y?urlappend=%3Bseq=257%3Bownerid=13510798902007260-291">Main</a> (1824)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But when the perturbations render life unhappy, while their repose makes it happy -- and since the mode of perturbation is twofold -- sorrow and fear having birth from reputed evils -- the delirium of joy and desire, from the delusion of good, -- when all these are repugnant to counsel and reason, and you see a man void, exempt, free from these excitements, so vehement, so discordant, so distracted by mutual conflicts, -- will you hesitate to pronounce him happy? But the wise man is always thus, and therefore always happy.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://hdl.handle.net/2027/hvd.32044085192730?urlappend=%3Bseq=287%3Bownerid=3325270-311">Otis</a> (1839)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But as the perturbations of the mind make life miserable, and tranquillity renders it happy; and as these perturbations are of two sorts, grief and fear, proceeding from imagined evils, and as immoderate joy and lust arise from a mistake about what is good, and as all these feelings are in opposition to reason and counsel; when you see a man at ease, quite free and disengaged from such troublesome commotions, which are so much at variance with one another can you hesitate to pronounce such an one a happy man? Now the wise man is always in such a disposition, therefore the wise man is always happy.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/29247/29247-h/29247-h.html#:~:text=But%20as%20the%20perturbations,man%20is%20always%20happy.">Yonge</a> (1853)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Now since perturbations of mind create misery, while quietness of mind makes life happy, and since there are two kinds of perturbations, grief and fear having their scope in imagined evils, inordinate joy and desire in mistaken notions of the good, all being repugnant to wise counsel and reason, will you hesitate to call him happy whom you see relieved, released, free from these excitements so oppressive, and so at variance and divided among themselves? Indeed one thus disposed is always happy. Therefore the wise man is always happy.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/stream/cicerostusculand00ciceiala/cicerostusculand00ciceiala_djvu.txt#:~:text=Now%20since%20perturbations,is%20always%20happy.">Peabody</a> (1886)]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Cicero, Marcus Tullius -- Tusculan Disputations [Tusculanae Disputationes], Book 4, ch. 32 (4.32) / sec. 68 (45 BC) [tr. Peabody (1886)]</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And as those are base who are transported with gladness in the enjoyment of sensual pleasure, so are those scandalously vile whose minds are inflamed with desire for such indulgence. Indeed, all of what is commonly called &#8220;love&#8221; (nor, by Hercules, can I find any other name for it) is so trivial that I can see nothing to be compared with it.</p>
<p><em>[Et ut turpes sunt qui efferunt se laetitia tum, cum fruuntur Veneriis voluptatibus, sic flagitiosi, qui eas inflammato animo concupiscunt. Totus vero iste, qui vulgo appellatur amor &#8212; nec hercule invenio quo nomine alio possit appellari &#8212; tantae levitatis est, ut nihil videam quod putem conferendum.]</em></p>
<br><b>Marcus Tullius Cicero</b> (106–43 BC) Roman orator, statesman, philosopher<br><i>Tusculan Disputations [Tusculanae Disputationes]</i>, Book 4, ch. 32 (4.32) / sec. 68 (45 BC) [tr. Peabody (1886)] 
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(<a href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2007.01.0044%3Abook%3D4%3Asection%3D68#:~:text=Et%20ut%20turpes,quod%20putem%20conferendum.">Source (Latin)</a>). Other translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>And as those are base who are elevated in Mirth, upon the satisfaction of their Lust, so are they scandalous, who are carried forth after it with an enflamed Concupiscence, and that whole affection commonly called Love (nor in truth do I find by what other name it may be call'd) hath so much of Levity in it, that I know nothing which I can think comparable to it.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A33161.0001.001/1:6.32?rgn=div2;view=fulltext#:~:text=And%20as%20those,comparable%20to%20it">Wase</a> (1643)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>And as they are very shameful, who are immoderately delighted with enjoyment of venereal pleasures; so are they very scandalous, who lust vbehemently after them. And all that which is commonly called love (and believe me I can find no other name to call it by) is of such levity that nothing, I think, is to be compared to it.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://hdl.handle.net/2027/umn.31951002010497y?urlappend=%3Bseq=224%3Bownerid=13510798902007260-242">Main</a> (1824)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>And, as the brand of baseness attaches to those who glory in the shame of forbidden pleasures; so they are flagitious, who covet them with unbridled appetite. And, indeed, the whole of what vulgarly passes under the name of love -- and, by Hercules, I find no other name by which it can be called -- is of a levity which sets all comparison at defiance.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://hdl.handle.net/2027/hvd.32044085192730?urlappend=%3Bseq=251%3Bownerid=3326625-255">Otis</a> (1839)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>And as they are very shameful who are immoderately delighted with the enjoyment of venereal pleasures, so are they very scandalous who lust vehemently after them. And all that which is commonly called love (and, believe me, I can find out no other name to call it by) is of such a trivial nature that nothing, I think, is to be compared to it.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/29247/29247-h/29247-h.html#:~:text=And%20as%20they%20are,be%20compared%20to%20it">Yonge</a> (1853)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Not only is it shameful to be carried away with gladness when enjoying the pleasures of Venus, but it is also disgraceful to have the mind aflame with desire for those pleasures. Indeed, speaking of what is popularly called love (not that I have any other name to call it!), all of it is so frivolous that I scarcely know what to compare with it.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Cicero_on_the_Emotions/73XTBKpemPwC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA60&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22shameful%20to%20be%20carried%20away%22">Graver</a> (2002)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>And as those who are carried away with joy when they enjoy Venus’ pleasures are filthy, those who share their desire with a burning spirit are criminal. Indeed, the whole thing which is commonly called "love" -- and by god it is impossible to name it anything else -- is of such meaninglessness that I know of nothing I think is comparable.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://sententiaeantiquae.com/2019/09/03/a-not-so-tawdry-tuesday-cicero-talks-about-sex/#:~:text=Tusculan,conferendum">@sentantiq</a> (2019)]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Butler, Octavia -- Imago, ch. 2, sec. 9 (1989)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helpless lust and unreasoning anxiety were just part of growing up.</p>
<br><b>Octavia Butler</b> (1947–2006) American writer<br><i>Imago</i>, ch. 2, sec. 9 (1989) 
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		<description><![CDATA[Virtuous love consists in decorous desire for the beautiful. [Δίκαιος ἔρως ἀνυβρίστως ἐφίεσθαι τῶν καλῶν] Diels citation &#8220;73. (87 N.) DEMOKRATES. 38.&#8221;; collected in Joannes Stobaeus (Stobaios) Anthologium III, 5, 23. Freeman notes this as one of the Gnômae, from a collection called &#8220;Maxims of Democratês,&#8221; but because Stobaeus quotes many of these as &#8220;Maxims [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p>[Δίκαιος ἔρως ἀνυβρίστως ἐφίεσθαι τῶν καλῶν]</p>
<br><b>Democritus</b> (c. 460 BC - c. 370 BC) Greek philosopher <br>Frag.  73 (Diels) [tr. Freeman (1948)] 
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<a href="http://remacle.org/bloodwolf/philosophes/democrite/diels.htm#table6:~:text=73.%20(87%20N.)%20DEMOKRATES.%2038.%20(Stob.,%CE%94%E1%BD%B7%CE%BA%CE%B1%CE%B9%CE%BF%CF%82%20%E1%BC%94%CF%81%CF%89%CF%82%20%E1%BC%80%CE%BD%CF%85%CE%B2%CF%81%E1%BD%B7%CF%83%CF%84%CF%89%CF%82%20%E1%BC%90%CF%86%E1%BD%B7%CE%B5%CF%83%CE%B8%CE%B1%CE%B9%20%CF%84%E1%BF%B6%CE%BD%20%CE%BA%CE%B1%CE%BB%E1%BF%B6%CE%BD.">Diels</a> citation "73. (87 N.) DEMOKRATES. 38."; collected in Joannes Stobaeus (Stobaios) <i>Anthologium</i> III, 5, 23. Freeman notes this as one of the Gnômae, from a collection called "Maxims of Democratês," but because Stobaeus quotes many of these as "Maxims of Democritus," they are generally attributed to the latter. Other translations:<br><br>
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	<li>"Rightful love is longing without violence for the noble." [tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Early_Greek_Philosophy/9mDuAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22rightful%20love%22&kptab=overview">Barnes</a> (1987)]</li>


	<li>"Just lust is longing for noble things without arrogance." [tr. <a href="https://sententiaeantiquae.com/2018/04/27/fragmentary-friday-just-lust-experience-and-shame-more-from-democritus/#post-20258:~:text=Fr.%2073,%CE%B4%E1%BD%B7%CE%BA%CE%B1%CE%B9%CE%BF%CF%82%20%E1%BC%94%CF%81%CF%89%CF%82%20%E1%BC%80%CE%BD%CF%85%CE%B2%CF%81%E1%BD%B7%CF%83%CF%84%CF%89%CF%82%20%E1%BC%90%CF%86%E1%BD%B7%CE%B5%CF%83%CE%B8%CE%B1%CE%B9%20%CF%84%E1%BF%B6%CE%BD%20%CE%BA%CE%B1%CE%BB%E1%BF%B6%CE%BD">@sententiq</a> (2018)]</li>
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		<title>Homer -- The Iliad [Ἰλιάς], Book 14, l. 216ff (14.216) (c. 750 BC) [tr. Fagles (1990), l. 259ff]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is the heat of Love, the pulsing rush of Longing, the lover&#8217;s whisper, irresistible &#8212; magic to make the sanest man go mad. [Ἔνθ&#8217; ἔνι μὲν φιλότης, ἐν δ&#8217; ἵμερος, ἐν δ&#8217; ὀαριστὺς πάρφασις, ἥ τ&#8217; ἔκλεψε νόον πύκα περ φρονεόντων.] Referring to Venus&#8217; girdle (cestus). Original Greek. Other translations: In whose sphere Were [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is the heat of Love,<br />
the pulsing rush of Longing, the lover&#8217;s whisper,<br />
irresistible &#8212; magic to make the sanest man go mad.</p>
<p>[Ἔνθ&#8217; ἔνι μὲν φιλότης, ἐν δ&#8217; ἵμερος, ἐν δ&#8217; ὀαριστὺς<br />
πάρφασις, ἥ τ&#8217; ἔκλεψε νόον πύκα περ φρονεόντων.]</p>
<br><b>Homer</b> (fl. 7th-8th C. BC) Greek author<br><i>The Iliad</i> [Ἰλιάς], Book 14, l. 216ff (14.216) (c. 750 BC) [tr. Fagles (1990), l. 259ff] 
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Referring to Venus' girdle (cestus). <a href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0133%3Abook%3D14%3Acard%3D193#text_main:~:text=%E1%BC%94%CE%BD%CE%B8%E1%BE%BD%20%E1%BC%94%CE%BD%CE%B9%20%CE%BC%E1%BD%B2%CE%BD%20%CF%86%CE%B9%CE%BB%CF%8C%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20%E1%BC%90%CE%BD%20%CE%B4%E1%BE%BD,%CF%84%E1%BE%BD%20%E1%BC%94%CE%BA%CE%BB%CE%B5%CF%88%CE%B5%20%CE%BD%CF%8C%CE%BF%CE%BD%20%CF%80%CF%8D%CE%BA%CE%B1%20%CF%80%CE%B5%CF%81%20%CF%86%CF%81%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%B5%CF%8C%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%89%CE%BD.">Original Greek</a>. Other translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>In whose sphere<br>
Were all enticements to delight, all loves, all longings were,<br>
Kind conference, fair speech, whose pow’r the wisest doth inflame.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://fiftywordsforsnow.com/ebooks/chapman/iliad2.html#page2_39:~:text=in%20whose%20sphere,whose%20pow%E2%80%99r%20the%20wisest%20doth%20inflame.">Chapman</a> (1611), l. 181ff]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>In this was every art, and every charm,<br>
To win the wisest, and the coldest warm:<br>
Fond love, the gentle vow, the gay desire,<br>
The kind deceit, the still reviving fire,<br>
Persuasive speech, and more persuasive sighs,<br>
Silence that spoke, and eloquence of eyes.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Iliad_of_Homer_(Pope)/Book_14#pageindex_261:~:text=In%20this%20was%20every%20art%2C%20and,that%20spoke%2C%20and%20eloquence%20of%20eyes.">Pope</a> (1715-20)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>It was an ambush of sweet snares, replete<br>
With love, desire, soft intercourse of hearts,<br>
And music of resistless whisper’d sounds<br>
That from the wisest steal their best resolves<br>
[tr. <a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/files/16452/16452-h/16452-h.htm#page_348:~:text=It%20was%20an%20ambush%20of%20sweet,the%20wisest%20steal%20their%20best%20resolves">Cowper</a> (1791), l. 256ff]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>In it were love, and desire, converse, seductive speech, which steals away the mind even of the very prudent. <br>
[tr. <a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/files/22382/22382-h/22382-h.htm#footnote467:~:text=In%20it%20were%20love%2C%20and%20desire%2C,mind%20even%20of%20the%20very%20prudent.">Buckley</a> (1860)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>There Love, there young Desire,<br>
There fond Discourse, and there Persuasion dwelt,<br>
Which oft enthralls the mind of wisest men. <br>
[tr. <a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/files/6150/6150-h/6150-h.htm#linknoteref-4:~:text=there%20Love%2C%20there%20young%20Desire%2C,enthralls%20the%20mind%20of%20wisest%20men.">Derby</a> (1864)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Therein are love, and desire, and loving converse, that steals the wits even of the wise.<br>
[tr. <a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/files/3059/3059-h/3059-h.htm#:~:text=therein%20are%20love%2C%20and%20desire%2C%20and%20loving%20converse%2C%20that%20steals%20the%20wits%20even%20of%20the%20wise.">Leaf/Lang/Myers</a> (1891)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Love, desire, and that sweet flattery which steals the judgement even of the most prudent.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Iliad_(Butler)/Book_XIV#navigationNotes:~:text=love%2C%20desire%2C%20and%20that%20sweet%20flattery%20which%20steals%20the%20judgement%20even%20of%20the%20most%20prudent.">Butler</a> (1898)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Therein is love, therein desire, therein dalliance -- beguilement that steals the wits even of the wise.<br>
[tr. <a href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0134%3Abook%3D14%3Acard%3D193#text_main:~:text=therein%20is%20love%2C%20therein%20desire%2C%20therein%20dalliance%E2%80%94beguilement%20that%20steals%20the%20wits%20even%20of%20the%20wise">Murray</a> (1924)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Allurement of the eyes, hunger of longing, and the touch of lips that steals all wisdom from the coolest men.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Iliad/SZ0LrX2UOuUC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PP1&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22allurement%20of%20the%20eyes%22">Fitzgerald</a> (1974)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>There upon it is affection, upon it desire and seductive dalliance with robs even a sensible person of wisdom.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Iliad/sos0paw_-cEC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PP1&printsec=frontcover&bsq=even%20a%20sensible">Merrill</a> (2007)]</blockquote><br>

 
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		<title>Malory, Thomas -- Le Morte d&#8217;Arthur, Book 18, ch. 25 (1485)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[And thus it passed on from Candlemass until after Easter, that the month of May was come, when every lusty heart beginneth to blossom, and to bring forth fruit; for like as herbs and trees bring forth fruit and flourish in May, in likewise every lusty heart that is in any manner a lover, springeth [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And thus it passed on from Candlemass until after Easter, that the month of May was come, when every lusty heart beginneth to blossom, and to bring forth fruit; for like as herbs and trees bring forth fruit and flourish in May, in likewise every lusty heart that is in any manner a lover, springeth and flourisheth in lusty deeds. For it giveth unto all lovers courage, that lusty month of May &#8230;.</p>
<br><b>Thomas Malory</b> (c. 1415–1471) English writer<br><i>Le Morte d&#8217;Arthur</i>, Book 18, ch. 25 (1485) 
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		<title>Shakespeare, William -- Antony and Cleopatra, Act 2, sc. 2, l. 276ff (2.2.276-279) (1607)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">ENOBARBUS: Age cannot wither her, nor custom stale<br />
Her infinite variety; other women cloy<br />
The appetites they feed, but she makes hungry<br />
Where most she satisfies.</p>
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<br><b>William Shakespeare</b> (1564–1616) English dramatist and poet<br><i>Antony and Cleopatra</i>, Act 2, sc. 2, l. 276ff (2.2.276-279) (1607) 
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		<title>Otway, Thomas -- The History and Fall of Caius Marius, Act 5, sc. 4 (1680)</title>
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Grows more inflam&#8217;d and madder by Enjoyment. </p>
<br><b>Thomas Otway</b> (1652–1685) English dramatist<br><i>The History and Fall of Caius Marius</i>, Act 5, sc. 4 (1680) 
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		<title>Greenwood, Kerry -- Phryne Fisher, Book  3, Murder on the Ballarat Train (1991)</title>
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<br><b>Kerry Greenwood</b> (b. 1954) Australian author and lawyer<br>Phryne Fisher, Book  3, <i>Murder on the Ballarat Train</i> (1991) 
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		<title>Heinlein, Robert A. -- Stranger in a Strange Land, ch. 27 [Patty] (1961)</title>
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<br><b>Robert A. Heinlein</b> (1907–1988) American writer<br><i>Stranger in a Strange Land</i>, ch. 27 [Patty] (1961) 
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		<title>Greenwood, Kerry -- Phryne Fisher, Book  1, Cocaine Blues (1989)</title>
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<br><b>Kerry Greenwood</b> (b. 1954) Australian author and lawyer<br>Phryne Fisher, Book  1, <i>Cocaine Blues</i> (1989) 
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		<title>Naylor, James Ball -- &#8220;King David and King Solomon&#8221; (1935)</title>
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Led merry merry lives,<br />
With many, many lady friends,<br />
And many many wives;<br />
But when old age crept over them &#8212;<br />
With many, many qualms! &#8212;<br />
King Solomon wrote the Proverbs<br />
And King David wrote the Psalms.</p>
<br><b>James Ball Naylor</b> (1860–1945) American physician, writer, poet, politician<br>&#8220;King David and King Solomon&#8221; (1935) 
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		<title>Brust, Steven -- The Phoenix Guards (1991)</title>
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<br><b>Steven Brust</b> (b. 1955) American writer, systems programmer<br><i>The Phoenix Guards</i> (1991) 
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		<title>Lewis, C.S. -- Mere Christianity, Book 3, ch. 6 &#8220;Christian Marriage&#8221; (1952)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[What we call &#8216;being in love&#8217; is a glorious state, and, in several ways, good for us. It helps to make us generous and courageous, it opens our eyes not only to the beauty of the beloved but to all beauty, and it sub-ordinates (especially at first) our merely animal sexuality; in that sense, love [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What we call &#8216;being in love&#8217; is a glorious state, and, in several ways, good for us. It helps to make us generous and courageous, it opens our eyes not only to the beauty of the beloved but to all beauty, and it sub-ordinates (especially at first) our merely animal sexuality; in that sense, love is the great conqueror of lust. No one in his senses would deny that being in love is far better than either common sensuality or cold self-centredness. </p>
<p>But, as I said before, &#8216;the most dangerous thing you can do is to take any one impulse of our own nature and set it up as the thing you ought to follow at all costs&#8217;. Being in love is a good thing, but it is not the best thing. There are many things below it, but there are also things above it. You cannot make it the basis of a whole life. It is a noble feeling, but it is still a feeling. Now no feeling can be relied on to last in its full intensity, or even to last at all. Knowledge can last, principles can last, habits can last; but feelings come and go. And in fact, whatever people say, the state called &#8216;being in love&#8217; usually does not last.</p>
<br><b>C. S. Lewis</b> (1898–1963) English writer, literary scholar, lay theologian [Clive Staples Lewis]
<br><i>Mere Christianity</i>, Book 3, ch. 6 &#8220;Christian Marriage&#8221; (1952) 
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		<title>Sterne, Laurence -- Tristam Shandy, Book 1, ch. 3 (1760-1767)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The desire of knowledge, like the thirst of riches, increases ever with the acquisition of it.</p>
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<br><b>Laurence Sterne</b> (1713–1786) Anglo-Irish novelist, Anglican clergyman<br><i>Tristam Shandy</i>, Book 1, ch. 3 (1760-1767) 
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		<title>Lewis, C.S. -- Letter (27 Sep 1954)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8216;Why has sex become man’s chief stumbling block?&#8217; But has it? Or is it only the most recognisable of the stumbling blocks? I mean, we can mistake pride for a good conscience, and cruelty for zeal, and idleness for the peace of God et cetera. But when lust is upon us, then, owing to the [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Why has sex become man’s chief stumbling block?&#8217; But has it? Or is it only the most <i>recognisable</i> of the stumbling blocks? I mean, we can mistake pride for a good conscience, and cruelty for zeal, and idleness for the peace of God <i>et cetera.</i> But when lust is upon us, then, owing to the obvious physical symptoms, we can’t pretend it is anything else. Is it perhaps only the least <i>disguisable</i> of our dangers.</p>
<br><b>C. S. Lewis</b> (1898–1963) English writer, literary scholar, lay theologian [Clive Staples Lewis]
<br>Letter (27 Sep 1954) 
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		<title>Williams, Robin -- (Attributed)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that God gives men a brain and a penis, and only enough blood to run one at a time.</p>
<br><b>Robin Williams</b> (1951–2014) American comedian and actor<br>(Attributed) 
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		<title>Tacitus -- Annals, 15.53 (AD 117)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lust of absolute power is more burning than all the passions.</p>
<p><em>[Cupido dominandi cunctis affectibus flagrante est.]</em></p>
<br><b>Tacitus</b> (c.56-c.120) Roman historian, orator, politician [Publius or Gaius Cornelius Tacitus]<br><i>Annals</i>, 15.53 (AD 117) 
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		<title>Berlin, Irving -- &#8220;A Pretty Girl is Like a Melody&#8221; (1919)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A pretty girl is like a melody<br />
That haunts you night and day,<br />
Just like the strain of a haunting refrain,<br />
She&#8217;ll start upon a marathon<br />
And run around your brain. </p>
<br><b>Irving Berlin</b> (1888–1989) American songwriter [b.  Isidore Beilin]<br>&#8220;A Pretty Girl is Like a Melody&#8221; (1919) 
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		<title>Huxley, Aldous -- Ends and Means (1937)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is only when it takes the form of physical addiction that sex is evil. It is also evil when it manifests itself as a way of satisfying the lust for power or the climber&#8217;s craving for position and social distinction.</p>
<br><b>Aldous Huxley</b> (1894–1963) English novelist, essayist and critic<br><i>Ends and Means</i> (1937) 
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		<title>Keillor, Garrison -- Lake Wobegon Days (1985)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think if the church put in half the time on covetousness that it does on lust, this would be a better world for all of us.</p>
<br><b>Garrison Keillor</b> (b. 1942) American entertainer, author<br><i>Lake Wobegon Days</i> (1985) 
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		<title>Emerson, Ralph Waldo -- Essay (1860), &#8220;Wealth,&#8221; The Conduct of Life, ch.  3</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Want</em> is a growing giant whom the coat of <em>Have</em> was never large enough to cover.</p>
<br><b>Ralph Waldo Emerson</b> (1803–1882) American essayist, lecturer, poet<br>Essay (1860), &#8220;Wealth,&#8221; <i>The Conduct of Life</i>, ch.  3 
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		<title>Confucius -- The Analects [論語, 论语, Lúnyǔ], Book  9, verse 18 (9.18) and Book 15, verse 13 (15.13) (6th C. BC &#8211; AD 3rd C.) [tr. Huang (1997)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have never seen anyone who loves virtue as much as he loves beautiful women. [吾未見好德、如好色者也。] The two analects are the same in Chinese, although the second is prefaced by an expression of despair or exasperation (e.g., &#8220;It&#8217;s hopeless!&#8221; or &#8220;I should just give up!&#8221;). In both instances, it is attributed by Sima Qian to [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never seen anyone who loves virtue as much as he loves beautiful women.</p>
<p>[吾未見好德、如好色者也。]</p>
<br><b>Confucius</b> (c. 551- c. 479 BC) Chinese philosopher, sage, politician [孔夫子 (Kǒng Fūzǐ, K'ung Fu-tzu, K'ung Fu Tse), 孔子 (Kǒngzǐ, Chungni), 孔丘 (Kǒng Qiū, K'ung Ch'iu)]<br><i>The Analects</i> [論語, 论语, <i>Lúnyǔ]</i>, Book  9, verse 18 (9.18) and Book 15, verse 13 (15.13) (6th C. BC &#8211; AD 3rd C.) [tr. Huang (1997)] 
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The two analects are the same in Chinese, although the second is prefaced by an expression of despair or exasperation (e.g., "It's hopeless!" or "I should just give up!"). In both instances, it is attributed by Sima Qian to Confucius' irritation while riding behind Duke Ling of Wei and his beautiful wife, Nan Tzu.<br><br>

Legge and other early translators number these as 9.17 and 15.12, as shown below.<br><br>

(Source: <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Analects_of_Confucius/wqym0cOd33MC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%229.18%20the%20master%22&printsec=frontcover">9.18</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Analects_of_Confucius/wqym0cOd33MC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22loves%20beautiful%20women.%201%201%20cf%22&printsec=frontcover">15.13</a>, <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Chinese_Classics/Volume_1/Confucian_Analects/IX#:~:text=%E5%8D%81%E4%B8%83%E7%AB%A0%E3%80%91%E5%AD%90%E6%9B%B0%E3%80%81-,%E5%90%BE%E6%9C%AA%E8%A6%8B%E5%A5%BD%E5%BE%B7%E3%80%81%E5%A6%82%E5%A5%BD%E8%89%B2%E8%80%85%E4%B9%9F%E3%80%82,-%E3%80%90%E5%8D%81%E5%85%AB%E7%AB%A0%E3%80%91%E5%AD%90%E6%9B%B0">Chinese</a>). Other translations:<br><br> 

<blockquote>I have not seen one who loves virtue as he loves beauty.<br>
[tr. Legge (1861), <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Chinese_Classics/Volume_1/Confucian_Analects/IX#plainSister:~:text=%22I%20have%20not%20seen%20one%20who%20loves%20virtue%20as%20he%20loves%20beauty.%22">9.17</a>, <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Chinese_Classics/Volume_1/Confucian_Analects/XV#plainSister:~:text=I%20have%20not%20seen%20one%20who%20loves%20virtue%20as%20he%20loves%20beauty.%22">15.12</a>]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I have not yet met with the man who loves Virtue as he loves Beauty<br>
[tr. Jennings (1895), <a href="https://archive.org/details/dli.ministry.25525/page/109/mode/2up?q=%22Ihave+not+yet+met%22">9.17</a>, <a href="https://archive.org/details/dli.ministry.25525/page/173/mode/2up?q=%22I+have+not+yet+met%22">15.12</a>]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I do not now see a man who can love moral worth in man as he loves beauty in woman. (<a href="https://archive.org/details/TheDiscoursesAndSayingsOfConfucius/page/n91/mode/2up?q=%22I+do+not+now+see%22">9.17</a>)<br>
I do not now see a man who loves moral worth as he loves beauty in women. (<a href="https://archive.org/details/TheDiscoursesAndSayingsOfConfucius/page/n157/mode/2up?q=%22I+do+not+now+see%22">15.12</a>)<br>
[tr. Ku Hung-Ming (1898)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I have never yet seen a man whose love of virtue equaled his love of woman. (<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Analects_of_Confucius/I-O4nmWeSnwC?gbpv=1&bsq=%22never%20yet%20seen%20a%20man%20whose%20love%22">9.17</a>)<br>
I have never yet seen as man as fond of virtue as of beauty. (<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Analects_of_Confucius/I-O4nmWeSnwC?gbpv=1&bsq=%22never%20yet%20seen%20a%20man%20as%20fond%22">15.12</a>)<br>
[tr. Soothill (1910)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I do not see love of looking into the mind and acting on what one sees there to match love of someone having beauty. (<a href="https://archive.org/details/in.gov.ignca.4505/page/n55/mode/2up?q=%22I+do+not+see+love%22">9.17</a>)<br>
I have not seen anyone who loves acting from inwit as they love a beautiful person. (<a href="https://archive.org/details/in.gov.ignca.4505/page/n101/mode/2up?q=%22seen+anyooe+who+loves+acting%22%22">15.12</a>)<br>
[tr. Pound (1933)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I have never seen anyone whose desire to build up his moral power was as strong as sexual desire. (<a href="https://archive.org/details/analects0000conf_a6y6/page/134/mode/2up?q=%22never+yet+seen+anyone%22">9.17</a>)<br>
In vain have I looked for one whose desire to build up his moral power was as strong as sexual desire. (<a href="https://archive.org/details/analects0000conf_a6y6/page/184/mode/2up?q=%22looked+for+one+whose+desire%22">15.12</a>)<br>
[tr. Waley (1938)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I have never yet seen people attracted by virtuous scholars as they are by beautiful women. (<a href="https://archive.org/details/in.gov.ignca.1464/page/n91/mode/2up?q=%22have+never+yet+seen%22">Reference</a>)<br>
I haven't yet seen people who love virtue as they love beauty. (<a href="https://archive.org/details/in.gov.ignca.1464/page/n175/mode/2up?q=beauty">Reference</a>)<br>
[tr. Lin Yutang (1938)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I have yet to meet a man as fond of high moral conduct as he is of outward appearances. <br>
[tr. Ware (1950), <a href="https://archive.org/details/dli.ernet.20677/page/84/mode/2up?q=%22I+have+yet+to+meet%22">9.18</a>, <a href="https://archive.org/details/dli.ernet.20677/page/148/mode/2up?q=%22I+have+yet+to+meet%22">15.13</a>]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I have yet to meet the man who is as fond of virtue as he is of beauty in women.<br>
[tr. Lau (1979), <a href="https://archive.org/details/analectslunyu00conf/page/98/mode/2up?q=%22as+fond+of+virtue%22">9.18</a>, <a href="https://archive.org/details/analectslunyu00conf/page/134/mode/2up?q=%22as+fond+of+virtue%22">15.13</a>]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I have never come across anyone who admires virtue as much as he admires sexual attraction.<br>
[tr. Dawson (1993), <a href="https://archive.org/details/analects0000conf_d2c3/page/32/mode/2up?q=%22admires+virtue+as+much%22">9.18</a>, <a href="https://archive.org/details/analects0000conf_d2c3/page/60/mode/2up?q=%22admires+virtue+as+much%22">15.13</a>]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I have never seen anyone who loved virtue as much as sex. (<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Analects_of_Confucius/kj_Kl9l0RZQC?gbpv=1&bsq=%22anyone%20who%20loved%20virtue%22">9.18</a>)<br>
I have never seen a man who loved virtue as much as sex. (<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Analects_of_Confucius/kj_Kl9l0RZQC?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22a%20man%20who%20loved%20virtue%22">15.13</a>)<br>
[tr. Leys (1997)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I have not seen one person who likes the virtuousness as likes the beauteousness. (<a href="https://archive.org/details/analectsofconfuc00conf_1/page/96/mode/2up?q=%22likes+the+virtuousness%22">9.18</a>)<br>
I cannot see the person who likes the virtuousness as likes the beauteousness. (<a href="https://archive.org/details/analectsofconfuc00conf_1/page/182/mode/2up?q=%22likes+the+virtuousness%22">15.13</a>)<br>
[tr. Cai/Yu (1998)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I have yet to meet the person who is fonder of excellence <i>(de)</i> than of physical beauty.<br>
[tr. Ames/Rosemont (1998), <a href="https://archive.org/details/analectsofconfuc0000conf_e9q2/page/130/mode/2up?q=%22person+who+is+fonder%22">9.18</a>, <a href="https://archive.org/details/analectsofconfuc0000conf_e9q2/page/186/mode/2up?q=%22person+who+is+fonder%22">15.13</a>]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I have never seen anyone who loves virtue the way he loves beauty.<br>
[tr. Brooks/Brooks (1998), <a href="https://archive.org/details/originalanalects0000conf/page/54/mode/2up?q=%229%3A18%22">9.18</a>, <a href="https://archive.org/details/originalanalects0000conf/page/140/mode/2up?q=%229%3A18%22">15.13</a>]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I've never seen anyone for whom loving Integrity is like loving a beautiful woman.<br>
[tr. Hinton (1998), <a href="https://archive.org/details/analects0000conf/page/94/mode/2up?q=%22whom+loving+Integrity%22">9.18</a>, <a href="https://archive.org/details/analects0000conf/page/174/mode/2up?q=%22whom+loving+Integrity%22">15.13</a>]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I have yet to meet a man who loves Virtue as much as he loves female beauty.<br>
[tr. Slingerland (2003), <a href="https://confucius.page/category/analects/analects-book-nine/page/2/#:~:text=I%20have%20yet%20to%20meet%20a%20man%20who%20loves%20Virtue%20as%20much%20as%20he%20loves%20female%20beauty.">9.18</a>, <a href="https://confucius.page/category/analects/analects-book-fifteen/page/3/#:~:text=I%20have%20yet%20to%20meet%20a%20man%20who%20loves%20Virtue%20as%20much%20as%20female%20beauty.">15.13</a>]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I have never seen the person who loved virtue the way he loved physical beauty.<br>
[tr. Watson (2007), <a href="https://confucius.page/category/analects/analects-book-nine/page/2/#:~:text=I%20have%20never%20seen%20the%20person%20who%20loved%20virtue%20the%20way%20he%20loved%20physical%20beauty.">9.18</a>, <a href="https://confucius.page/category/analects/analects-book-fifteen/page/3/#:~:text=It%E2%80%99s%20hopeless!%20I%20have%20never%20seen%20the%20person%20who%20loved%20virtue%20the%20way%20he%20loved%20physical%20beauty.">15.13</a>]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I have never met a person who loved virtue as much as he loved physical beauty.<br>
[tr. Chin (2014), <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Analects/7czwAAAAQBAJ?gbpv=1&bsq=%229.18%20the%20master%20said%22">9.18</a>]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I have never seen anyone who loves virtues as much as sexy women.<br>
[tr. Li (2020), <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Confucius_Analects_%E8%AB%96%E8%AA%9E/Z_AFEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover&bsq=18%20%22sexy%20women%22">9.18</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Confucius_Analects_%E8%AB%96%E8%AA%9E/Z_AFEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover&bsq=18%20%22sexy%20women%22">15.13</a>]</blockquote><br>
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		<title>Augustine of Hippo -- Confessions, Book  8, ch.  5 / ¶ 10 (8.5.10) (c. AD 398) [tr. Pine-Coffin (1961)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The enemy held my will in his power and from it he had made a chain and shackled me. My will was perverse and lust had grown from it, and when I gave in to lust habit was born, and when I did not resist the habit it became a necessity. These were the links [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The enemy held my will in his power and from it he had made a chain and shackled me. My will was perverse and lust had grown from it, and when I gave in to lust habit was born, and when I did not resist the habit it became a necessity. These were the links which together formed what I have called my chain, and it held me fast in the duress of servitude.</p>
<p><em>[Velle meum tenebat inimicus et inde mihi catenam fecerat et constrinxerat me. Quippe ex voluntate perversa facta est libido, et dum servitur libidini, facta est consuetudo, et dum consuetudini non resistitur, facta est necessitas. Quibus quasi ansulis sibimet innexis (unde catenam appellavi) tenebat me obstrictum dura servitus.]</em></p>
<br><b>Augustine of Hippo</b> (354–430) Christian church father, philosopher, saint [b. Aurelius Augustinus]<br><i>Confessions</i>, Book  8, ch.  5 / ¶ 10 (8.5.10) (c. AD 398) [tr. Pine-Coffin (1961)] 
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Sometimes paraphrased "Habit, if not resisted, soon becomes necessity."<br><br>

(<a href="https://faculty.georgetown.edu/jod/conf/text8.html#:~:text=velle%20meum%20tenebat,obstrictum%20dura%20servitus.">Source (Latin)</a>). Other translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>My will the enemy held, and thence had made a chain for me, and bound me. For of a forward will, was a lust made; and a lust served, became custom; and custom not resisted, became necessity. By which links, as it were, joined together (whence I called it a chain) a hard bondage held me enthralled.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://faculty.georgetown.edu/jod/augustine/Pusey/book08#:~:text=My%20will%20the,held%20me%20enthralled.">Pusey</a> (1838), and ed. <a href="https://archive.org/details/confessionsofaug00auguiala/page/186/mode/2up?q=%22My+will+the+enemy+held%22">Shedd</a> (1860)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>My will was the enemy master of, and thence had made a chain for me and bound me. Because of a perverse will was lust made; and lust indulged in became custom; and custom not resisted became necessity. By which links, as it were, joined together (whence I term it a “chain”), did a hard bondage hold me enthralled.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Nicene_and_Post-Nicene_Fathers:_Series_I/Volume_I/Confessions/Book_VIII/Chapter_5#:~:text=My%20will%20was,hold%20me%20enthralled.">Pilkington</a> (1876)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The enemy held my will , and with me made a chain for me and bound me. For from a perverse will, lust was made; and in obeying lust, habit was formed, and habit not resisted, became necessity. By which links, as it were, joined together -- therefore I call it a chain -- was I held shackled with a hard bondage.<br> 
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.hnfge9&view=2up&seq=220&q1=%22The%20enemy%20held%20my%20will%22">Hutchings</a> (1890)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The enemy held fast my will, and had made of it a chain, and bound me tight therewith. For from a perverse will came lust, and the service of lust ended in habit, and acquiescence in habit produced necessity. These were the links of what I call my chain, and they held me bound in hard slavery. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/confessionsofsai0000augu_z6r1/page/268/mode/2up?q=%22The+enemy+held+fast+my+will%22">Bigg</a> (1897)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The enemy held my will; and of it he made a chain and bound me. Because my will was perverse it changed to lust, and lust yielded to became habit, and habit not resisted became necessity. These were like links hanging one on another -- which is why I have called it a chain -- and their hard bondage held me bound hand and foot.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/confessionsofsta0000augu_y4p5/page/164/mode/2up?q=%22enemy+held+my+will%22">Sheed</a> (1943)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The enemy held fast my will, and had made of it a chain, and had bound me tight with it. For out of the perverse will came lust, and the service of lust ended in habit, and habit, not resisted, became necessity. By these links, as it were, forged together--which is why I called it “a chain”--a hard bondage held me in slavery.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Confessions_of_Saint_Augustine_(Outler)/Book_VIII#Chapter_V:~:text=The%20enemy%20held,me%20in%20slavery.">Outler</a> (1955)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The enemy had control of my will, and out of it he fashioned a chain and fettered me with it. For in truth lust is made out of a perverse will, and when lust is served, it becomes habit, and when habit is not resisted, it becomes necessity. By such links, joined one to another, as it were -- for this reason I have called it a chain -- a harsh bondage held me fast.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/confessionsofsta0000augu_f2a7/page/150/mode/2up?q=%22enemy+had+control+of+my+will%22">Ryan</a> (1960)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The enemy held my will and made a chain out of it and bound me with it. From a perverse will came lust, and slavery to lust became a habit, and the habit, being constantly yielded to, became a necessity. These were like links, hanging each to each (which is why I called it a chain), and they held me fast in a hard slavery.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/confessions0000augu_w6j8/page/168/mode/2up?q=%22enemy+held+my+will%22">Warner</a> (1963)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>My willingness the enemy held, and out of it had made me a chain and bound me. Of stubborn will ios a lust made. When a lust is served, a custom is made, and when a custom is not resisted a necessity is made. It was as though link was bound to link (hence what I called a chain) and hard bondage held me bound.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/confessionsofsai0000augu_s6o1/page/190/mode/2up?q=%22willingness+the+enemy+held%22">Blailock</a> (1983)]</blockquote><br>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">PORTER: Drink, sir, is a great provoker of three things.</p>
<p class="hangingindent">MACDUFF: What three things does drink especially provoke?</p>
<p class="hangingindent">PORTER: Marry, sir, nose-painting, sleep, and urine.<br />
Lechery, sir, it provokes, and unprovokes;<br />
it provokes the desire, but it takes away the performance:<br />
therefore, much drink may be said<br />
to be an equivocator with lechery:<br />
it makes him, and it mars him;<br />
it sets him on, and it takes him off;<br />
it persuades him, and disheartens him;<br />
makes him stand to, and not stand to;<br />
in conclusion, equivocates him in a sleep,<br />
and, giving him the lie, leaves him.</p>
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<br><b>William Shakespeare</b> (1564–1616) English dramatist and poet<br><i>Macbeth</i>, Act 2, sc. 3, l.  27ff (2.3.27-38) (1606) 
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		<title>Publilius Syrus -- Sententiae [Moral Sayings], # 559</title>
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<br><b>Publilius Syrus</b> (d. 42 BC) Assyrian slave, writer, philosopher [less correctly Publius Syrus]<br><i>Sententiae [Moral Sayings]</i>, # 559 
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		<title>Augustine of Hippo -- De Ordine, 2.4.12</title>
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<br><b>Augustine of Hippo</b> (354–430) Christian church father, philosopher, saint [b. Aurelius Augustinus]<br><i>De Ordine</i>, 2.4.12 
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						Variant translation: "If you do away with harlots, the world will be convulsed with lust."						</span>
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		<title>Augustine of Hippo -- Confessions, Book  8, ch.  7 / ¶ 17 (8.7.17) (c. AD 398) [tr. Pusey (1838)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[But I wretched, most wretched, in the very commencement of my early youth, had begged chastity of Thee, and said, &#8220;Give me chastity and continency, only not yet.&#8221; [At ego adulescens miser ualde, miser in exordio ipsius adulescentiae, etiam petieram a te castitatem et dixeram, &#8216;Da mihi castitatem et continentiam, sed noli modo.&#8217;] Augustine describing [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But I wretched, most wretched, in the very commencement of my early youth, had begged chastity of Thee, and said, &#8220;Give me chastity and continency, only not yet.&#8221;</p>
<p><em>[At ego adulescens miser ualde, miser in exordio ipsius adulescentiae, etiam petieram a te castitatem et dixeram, &#8216;Da mihi castitatem et continentiam, sed noli modo.&#8217;]</em></p>
<br><b>Augustine of Hippo</b> (354–430) Christian church father, philosopher, saint [b. Aurelius Augustinus]<br><i>Confessions</i>, Book  8, ch.  7 / ¶ 17 (8.7.17) (c. AD 398) [tr. Pusey (1838)] 
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Augustine describing his youth when he wanted God to remove his sinful sexual desires -- but not before he could satisfy them.<br><br>

(<a href="https://faculty.georgetown.edu/jod/conf/text8.html#:~:text=at%20ego%20adulescens%20miser%20valde%2C%20miser%20in%20exordio%20ipsius%20adulescentiae%2C%20etiam%20petieram%20a%20te%20castitatem%20et%20dixeram%2C%20%60da%20mihi%20castitatem%20et%20continentiam%2C%20sed%20noli%20modo.%27">Source (Latin)</a>). Other translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>But I, miserable young man, supremely miserable even in the very outset of my youth, had entreated chastity of Thee, and said, “Grant me chastity and continency, but not yet.”<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Nicene_and_Post-Nicene_Fathers:_Series_I/Volume_I/Confessions/Book_VIII/Chapter_7#:~:text=But%20I%2C%20miserable%20young%20man%2C%20supremely%20miserable%20even%20in%20the%20very%20outset%20of%20my%20youth%2C%20had%20entreated%20chastity%20of%20Thee%2C%20and%20said%2C%20%E2%80%9CGrant%20me%20chastity%20and%20continency%2C%20but%20not%20yet.%E2%80%9D">Pilkington</a> (1876)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But I, miserable youth, most miserable, in the very beginning of my youth had sought from Thee chastity, and said, “Give me chastity and continency, but not now.”<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.hnfge9&view=2up&format=plaintext&seq=228&q1=chastity">Hutchings</a> (1890)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Yea, wretched, O wretched youth that I had been, on the very threshold of my youth, I had even begged of Thee the gift of chastity; but I had said “Give me chastity and self- control, but not just yet.”<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/confessionsofsai0000augu_z6r1/page/276/mode/2up?q=chastity">Bigg</a> (1897), 8.7.2]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But I in my great worthlessness -- for it was greater thus early -- had begged You for chastity, saying: “Grant me chastity and continence, but not yet.”<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/confessionsofsta0000augu_y4p5/page/170/mode/2up?q=chastity">Sheed</a> (1943)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But, wretched youth that I was -- supremely wretched even in the very outset of my youth -- I had entreated chastity of thee and had prayed, “Grant me chastity and continence, but not yet.”<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Confessions_of_Saint_Augustine_(Outler)/Book_VIII#:~:text=But%2C%20wretched%20youth%20that%20I%20was%2D%2Dsupremely%20wretched%20even%20in%20the%20very%20outset%20of%20my%20youth%2D%2DI%20had%20entreated%20chastity%20of%20thee%20and%20had%20prayed%2C%20%E2%80%9CGrant%20me%20chastity%20and%20continence%2C%20but%20not%20yet.%E2%80%9D">Outler</a> (1955)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But I, a most wretched youth, most wretched from the very start of my youth, had even sought chastity from you, and had said, "Give me chastity and continence, but not yet!"<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/confessionsofsta0000augu_f2a7/page/156/mode/2up?q=chastity">Ryan</a> (1960)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>As a youth I had been woefully at fault, particularly in early adolescence. I had prayed to you for chastity and said, "Give me chastity and continence, but not yet."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/saintaugustineco0000unse/page/168/mode/2up?q=%22woefully+at+fault%22">Pine-Coffin</a> (1961)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But I, wretched young man that I was -- even more wretched at the beginning of my youth -- had begged you for chastity and had said, "Make me chaste and continent, but not yet."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/confessions0000augu_w6j8/page/172/mode/2up?q=%22wretched+young+man%22">Warner</a> (1963)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But I, most wretched youth, and more wretched at my youth’s beginning, had even sought chastity at your hands and said: 'Give me chastity and self-control but not yet.'<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/confessionsofsai0000augu_s6o1/page/196/mode/2up?q=chastity">Blaiklock</a> (1983)]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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