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		<title>Euripides -- Medea [Μήδεια], l.  791ff (431 BC) [tr. Vellacott (1963)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[MEDEA:What makes me cry with pain Is the next thing I have to do. I will kill my sons. No one shall take my children from me. [ΜΉΔΕΙΑ: ᾤμωξα δ᾿ οἷον ἔργον ἔστ᾿ ἐργαστέον τοὐντεῦθεν ἡμῖν· τέκνα γὰρ κατακτενῶ τἄμ᾿· οὔτις ἔστιν ὅστις ἐξαιρήσεται·] This is the first time Medea directly announces her intent; scholars [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">MEDEA:<span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">What makes me cry with pain<br />
Is the next thing I have to do. I will kill my sons.<br />
No one shall take my children from me.</span></span></span></span></span></p>
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<p class="hangingindent">[ΜΉΔΕΙΑ: ᾤμωξα δ᾿ οἷον ἔργον ἔστ᾿ ἐργαστέον<br />
τοὐντεῦθεν ἡμῖν· τέκνα γὰρ κατακτενῶ<br />
τἄμ᾿· οὔτις ἔστιν ὅστις ἐξαιρήσεται·]</p>
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<br><b>Euripides</b> (485?-406? BC) Greek tragic dramatist<br><i>Medea</i> [Μήδεια], l.  791ff (431 BC) [tr. Vellacott (1963)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/medeaotherplays0000euri/page/40/mode/2up?q=%22cry+with+pain%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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This is the first time Medea directly announces her intent; scholars debate whether it's where she actually first thinks of it.<br><br>

The most interesting divergence in translations here is whether Medea is asserting that nobody can save the children from her plan to kill them, or that nobody will take them from her because she will kill them first. The former seems to me more in keeping with the rest of the passage, but some translators disagree. Though her sons were to have been exiled with her, some scholars believe Medea was concerned that they might be killed (taken from her) once she murdered Glauce, Jason's new wife.<br><br>

(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0113%3Acard%3D790#:~:text=%E1%BE%A4%CE%BC%CF%89%CE%BE%CE%B1%20%CE%B4%E1%BE%BD%20%CE%BF%E1%BC%B7%CE%BF%CE%BD%20%E1%BC%94%CF%81%CE%B3%CE%BF%CE%BD%20%E1%BC%94%CF%83%CF%84%E1%BE%BD%20%E1%BC%90%CF%81%CE%B3%CE%B1%CF%83%CF%84%CE%AD%CE%BF%CE%BD%0A%CF%84%CE%BF%E1%BD%90%CE%BD%CF%84%CE%B5%E1%BF%A6%CE%B8%CE%B5%CE%BD%20%E1%BC%A1%CE%BC%E1%BF%96%CE%BD%3A%20%CF%84%CE%AD%CE%BA%CE%BD%CE%B1%20%CE%B3%E1%BD%B0%CF%81%20%CE%BA%CE%B1%CF%84%CE%B1%CE%BA%CF%84%CE%B5%CE%BD%E1%BF%B6%0A%CF%84%E1%BC%84%CE%BC%E1%BE%BD%3A%20%CE%BF%E1%BD%94%CF%84%CE%B9%CF%82%20%E1%BC%94%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%BD%20%E1%BD%85%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B9%CF%82%20%E1%BC%90%CE%BE%CE%B1%CE%B9%CF%81%CE%AE%CF%83%CE%B5%CF%84%CE%B1%CE%B9">Source (Greek)</a>). Other translations: <br><br>

<blockquote>But I with anguish think upon a deed <br>
Of more than common horror, which remains <br>
By me to be accomplish'd: for my Sons <br>
Am I resolved to slay, them from this arm <br>
Shall no man rescue.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/nineteentragedi01wodhgoog/page/284/mode/2up?q=%22But+I+with+anguish%22">Wodhull</a> (1782)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">But what a deed,<br>
Ay, there my heart is anguish'd, what a deed<br>
Must next be done! My sons -- I'll kill them both,<br>
And who shall save them from me?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Bacch%C3%A6_Ion_Alcestis_Medea_Hippolytu/L8tCAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22but%20what%20a%20deed%22">Potter</a> (1814)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">But I am woe for what a deed<br>
Needs must be done: for I shall slay my sons.<br>
No one there is who may deliver them.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Medea_(Webster_1868)#:~:text=But%20I%20am%20woe%20for%20what%20a%20deed%0ANeeds%20must%20be%20done%3A%20for%20I%20shall%20slay%20my%20sons.%0ANo%20one%20there%20is%20who%20may%20deliver%20them.">Webster</a> (1868)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But I shudder at the deed I must do next; for I will slay the children I have borne; there is none shall take them from my toils.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Plays_of_Euripides_(Coleridge)/Medea#:~:text=but%20I%20shudder%20at%20the%20deed%20I%20must%20do%20next%3B%20for%20I%20will%20slay%20the%20children%20I%20have%20borne%3B%20there%20is%20none%20shall%20take%20them%20from%20my%20toils">Coleridge</a> (1891)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But I bewail the deed such as must next be done by me; for I shall slay my children; there is no one who shall rescue them from me.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/15081/pg15081-images.html#MEDEA:~:text=but%20I%20bewail%20the%20deed%20such%20as%20must%20next%20be%20done%20by%20me%3B%20for%20I%20shall%20slay%20my%20children%3B%20there%20is%20no%20one%20who%20shall%20rescue%20them%20from%20me">Buckley</a> (1892)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>And wail the deed that yet for me remains<br>
To bring to pass; for I will slay my children,<br>
Yea, mine: no man shall pluck them from mine hand.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Tragedies_of_Euripides_(Way)/Medea#:~:text=And%20wail%20the%20deed%20that%20yet%20for%20me%20remains%0ATo%20bring%20to%20pass%3B%20for%20I%20will%20slay%20my%20children%2C%0AYea%2C%20mine%3A%20no%20man%20shall%20pluck%20them%20from%20mine%20hand.">Way</a> (Loeb) (1894)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">I gnash my teeth<br>
Thinking on what a path my feet must tread<br>
Thereafter. I shall lay those children dead --<br>
Mine, whom no hand shall steal from me away!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/35451/pg35451-images.html#:~:text=I%20gnash%20my%20teeth%0AThinking%20on%20what%20a%20path%20my%20feet%20must%20tread%0AThereafter.%20I%20shall%20lay%20those%20children%20dead%E2%80%94%0AMine%2C%20whom%20no%20hand%20shall%20steal%20from%20me%20away!">Murray</a> (1906)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Oh, my heart<br>
Cries at the thought of what a deed I must<br>
Do after that. For I must kill my children,<br>
Mine own. There lives not who shall rescue them.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/oxfordbookofgree0000tfcm/page/396/mode/2up?q=%22oh+my+heart%22">Lucas</a>; ed. Higham (1938)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I weep to think of what a deed I have to do<br>
Next after that; for I shall kill my own children.<br>
My children, there is none who can give them safety.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/euripides-medea-warner.ocr/page/86/mode/2up?q=%22i+weep+to+think%22">Warner</a> (1944)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I moan for the kind of task that I must proceed<br>
To accomplish. For I shall put the children to death --<br>
<i>My</i> children. No one will save them from me.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/euripides-medea-podlecki_20220818/page/49/mode/2up?q=%22moan+for+the+kind%22">Podlecki</a> (1989)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Ah me, I groan at what a deed I must do next! I shall kill my children: there is no one who can rescue them.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0114%3Acard%3D790#:~:text=Ah%20me%2C%20I%20groan%20at%20what%20a%20deed%20I%20must%20do%20next.%20I%20shall%20kill%20my%20children%3A%20there%20is%20no%20one%20who%20can%20rescue%20them.">Kovacs</a> (Loeb) (1994)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>It makes me groan to think what deed I must do net. For I shall kill my own children; no one shall take them from me.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/medeaotherplays0000euri_d3q9/page/70/mode/2up?q=%22makes+me+groan%22">Davie</a> (1996)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">Ah! How I shudder with fear for the monstrous deed that I must do!<br>
<span class="tab">Immediately after the murder of the Princess I will have to murder my own children. No one can save them, now, no one!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://bacchicstage.wpcomstaging.com/euripides/medea/#:~:text=Ah!%20How%20I%20shudder%20with%20fear%20for%20the%20monstrous%20deed%20that%20I%20must%20do!%0AImmediately%20after%20the%20murder%20of%20the%20Princess%C2%A0%20I%20will%20have%20to%20murder%20my%20own%20children.%C2%A0%20No%20one%20can%20save%20them%2C%20now%2C%20no%20one!">Theodoridis</a> (2004)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I grieve over the deed I must do <br>
after this. For I shall kill my children. <br>
There is no one who will rescue them. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://diotima-doctafemina.org/translations/greek/euripides-medea/#:~:text=I%20grieve%20over%20the%20deed%20I%20must%20do%C2%A0%0Aafter%20this.%20For%20I%20shall%20kill%20my%20children.%C2%A0%0AThere%20is%20no%20one%20who%20will%20rescue%20them.%C2%A0">Luschnig</a> (2007)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But the next thing I’ll do fills me with pain -- <br>
I’m going to kill my children. There’s no one<br>
can save them now.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://johnstoniatexts.x10host.com/euripides/medeahtml.html#:~:text=But%20the%20next%20thing%20I%E2%80%99ll%20do%20fills%20me%20with%20pain%E2%80%94%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%20940%0AI%E2%80%99m%20going%20to%20kill%20my%20children.%20There%E2%80%99s%20no%20one%0Acan%20save%20them%20now.">Johnston</a> (2008), l. 940ff]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Now hear what follows:  I weep for what I must do; for then I'll kill my children. No one will give relief.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Greek_Plays/P5O5DAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22now%20hear%20what%22">Kovacs / Kitzinger</a> (2016)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I have mourned the kind of thing that I need to do<br>
After this: For I will kill my children.<br>
There is no one who will save them.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://sententiaeantiquae.com/2020/11/11/no-one-righteous-without-fear-reading-aeschylus-eumenides-online-2/#:~:text=Euripides%2C%20Medea%20790,%CE%BF%E1%BD%94%CF%84%CE%B9%CF%82%20%E1%BC%94%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%BD%20%E1%BD%85%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B9%CF%82%20%E1%BC%90%CE%BE%CE%B1%CE%B9%CF%81%E1%BD%B5%CF%83%CE%B5%CF%84%CE%B1%CE%B9%CE%87">@sentantiq</a> (2020)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">But then<br>
I'm miserable about what I must do.<br>
I have to kill my children; no one<br>
will take them from my hands.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Euripides_Medea/kNBUEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22but%20then%20790%22">Ewans</a> (2022)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I grieve at the deed I must do next; for I will slay my own children. No one will take them from me!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://chs.harvard.edu/primary-source/euripides-medea/#:~:text=I%20grieve%20at%20the%20deed%20I%20must%20do%20next%3B%20for%20I%20will%20slay%20my%20own%20children.%20No%20one%20will%20take%20them%20from%20me!">Coleridge / Ceragioli / Nagy / Hour25</a>]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Ah me, I groan at what a deed I must do next. I will kill my children: there is no one who can rescue them.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://pressbooks.bccampus.ca/greekromanmyth/chapter/medea/#euripides:~:text=Ah%20me%2C%20I%20groan%20at%20what%20a%20deed%20I%20must%20do%20next.%20I%20will%20kill%20my%20children%3A%20there%20is%20no%20one%20who%20can%20rescue%20them.">Kovacs / Zhang / Rogak</a>]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Shakespeare, William -- Macbeth, Act 4, sc. 3, l. 252ff (4.3.252-261) (1606)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[MALCOLM: Be comforted. Let&#8217;s make us med&#8217;cines of our great revenge, To cure this deadly grief. MACDUFF: He has no children. All my pretty ones? Did you say &#8220;all&#8221;? O hell-kite! All? What, all my pretty chickens and their dam At one fell swoop? MALCOLM: Dispute it like a man. MACDUFF: I shall do so, [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">MALCOLM: Be comforted.<br />
Let&#8217;s make us med&#8217;cines of our great revenge,<br />
To cure this deadly grief.</p>
<p class="hangingindent">MACDUFF: He has no children. All my pretty ones?<br />
Did you say &#8220;all&#8221;? O hell-kite! All?<br />
What, all my pretty chickens and their dam<br />
At one fell swoop?</p>
<p class="hangingindent">MALCOLM: Dispute it like a man.</p>
<p class="hangingindent">MACDUFF: I shall do so,<br />
But I must also feel it as a man.</p>
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<br><b>William Shakespeare</b> (1564-1616) English dramatist and poet<br><i>Macbeth</i>, Act 4, sc. 3, l. 252ff (4.3.252-261) (1606) 
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Macduff, learning his family and household have been killed on Macbeth's orders.						</span>
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		<title>Shakespeare, William -- Richard II, Act 5, sc. 6, l.  39ff (5.6.39-40) (1595)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">KING HENRY: <span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Though I did wish him dead,<br />
I hate the murderer, love him murderèd.</p>
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<br><b>William Shakespeare</b> (1564-1616) English dramatist and poet<br><i>Richard II</i>, Act 5, sc. 6, l.  39ff (5.6.39-40) (1595) 
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		<description><![CDATA[If I solve my dispute with my neighbor by killing him, I have certainly solved the immediate dispute. If my neighbor was a scoundrel, then the world is no doubt better for his absence. But in killing my neighbor, though he may have been a terrible man who did not deserve to live, I have [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I solve my dispute with my neighbor by killing him, I have certainly solved the immediate dispute. If my neighbor was a scoundrel, then the world is no doubt better for his absence. But in killing my neighbor, though he may have been a terrible man who did not deserve to live, I have made myself a killer &#8212; and the life of my next neighbor is in greater peril than the life of the last.</p>
<br><b>Wendell Berry</b> (b. 1934) American farmer, educator, poet, conservationist<br>Speech (1968-02-10), &#8220;A Statement Against the War in Vietnam,&#8221; Kentucky Conference on the War and the Draft, University of Kentucky 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/longleggedhouse00ball/page/72/mode/2up?q=%22solve+my+dispute%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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Collected in <i>The Long-Legged House</i>, Part 2 (1969).

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		<title>Adams, Douglas -- Dirk Gently No. 1, Dirk Gently&#8217;s Holistic Detective Agency, ch.  7 (1987)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gordon Way&#8217;s astonishment at being suddenly shot dead was nothing to his astonishment at what happened next.</p>
<br><b>Douglas Adams</b> (1952-2001) English author, humorist, screenwriter<br>Dirk Gently No. 1, <i>Dirk Gently&#8217;s Holistic Detective Agency</i>, ch.  7 (1987) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/dirkgentlysholis00adam/page/50/mode/2up?q=%22suddenly+shot+dead%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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		<title>Euripides -- Hecuba [Hekabe; Ἑκάβη], l. 1247ff (c. 424 BC) [tr. Theodoridis (2007)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[AGAMEMNON: Perhaps, for you, barbarians, it is easy to kill your guests but for us, Greeks, this is a thing of shame. How, then can I escape blame if I do not judge you guilty? I can’t do it. Since you could endure performing such a dishonourable deed, then you must also endure its awful [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">AGAMEMNON: Perhaps, for you, barbarians, it is easy to kill your guests but for us, Greeks, this is a thing of shame. How, then can I escape blame if I do not judge you guilty? I can’t do it. Since you could endure performing such a dishonourable deed, then you must also endure its awful consequences.</p>
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<p class="hangingindent">[ἈΓΑΜΈΜΝΩΝ: τάχ᾽ οὖν παρ᾽ ὑμῖν ῥᾴδιον ξενοκτονεῖν:<br />
ἡμῖν δέ γ᾽ αἰσχρὸν τοῖσιν Ἕλλησιν τόδε.<br />
πῶς οὖν σε κρίνας μὴ ἀδικεῖν φύγω ψόγον;<br />
οὐκ ἂν δυναίμην. ἀλλ᾽ ἐπεὶ τὰ μὴ καλὰ<br />
πράσσειν ἐτόλμας, τλῆθι καὶ τὰ μὴ φίλα.]</p>
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<br><b>Euripides</b> (485?-406? BC) Greek tragic dramatist<br><i>Hecuba</i> [Hekabe; Ἑκάβη], l. 1247ff (c. 424 BC) [tr. Theodoridis (2007)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://bacchicstage.wordpress.com/euripides/hekabe-aka-hecuba/#:~:text=Perhaps%2C%20for%20you%2C%20barbarians%2C%20it%20is%20easy%20to%20kill%20your%20guests%20but%20for%20us%2C%20Greeks%2C%20this%20is%20a%20thing%20of%20shame.%20How%2C%20then%20can%20I%20escape%20blame%20if%20I%20do%20not%20judge%20you%20guilty%3F%20I%20can%E2%80%99t%20do%20it.%C2%A0%20Since%20you%20could%20endure%20performing%20such%20a%20dishonourable%20deed%2C%20then%20you%20must%20also%20endure%20its%20awful%20consequences." target="_blank">Source</a>)
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Passing judgment on Polymestor for the death of Hecuba's son and theft of the Trojan treasure entrusted to him.<br><br>

(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0097%3Acard%3D1217#:~:text=%CF%84%CE%AC%CF%87%E1%BE%BD%20%CE%BF%E1%BD%96%CE%BD,%CE%BC%E1%BD%B4%20%CF%86%CE%AF%CE%BB%CE%B1.">Source (Greek)</a>). Alternate translations: <br><br>

<blockquote>Perhaps the murder of your guests seems light,<br>
We Greeks esteem it base. If I acquit thee<br>
How shall I scape reproach? Indeed, I cannot:<br>
since thou hast dar'd to perpetrate the crime,<br>
Endure the consequences.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/nineteentragedi01wodhgoog/page/54/mode/2up?q=%22%C2%A3nd9i%5Ds%28%C2%BB+%7CI%7Ce+c%3C9Dseqence%22">Wodhull</a> (1809)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Perhaps with you it is a slight thing to kill your guests; but with us Grecians this thing is abhorred. How then, in giving my decision that thou hast not injured, can I escape blame? I can not; but as thou hast dared to do things dishonorable, endure now things unpleasant.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://topostext.org/work/38#:~:text=Perhaps%20with%20you%20it%20is%20a%20slight%20thing%20to%20kill%20your%20guests%3B%20but%20with%20us%20Grecians%20this%20thing%20is%20abhorred.%20How%20then%2C%20in%20giving%20my%20decision%20that%20thou%20hast%20not%20injured%2C%20can%20I%20escape%20blame%3F%20I%20can%20not%3B%20but%20as%20thou%20hast%20dared%20to%20do%20things%20dishonorable%2C%20endure%20now%20things%20unpleasant.">Edwards</a> (1826)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Haply with you guest-murder is as nought,<br>
But to us which be Greeks foul shame is this.<br>
How can I uncondemned adjudge thee guiltless?<br>
I cannot. Forasmuch as thou hast dared<br>
To do foul deeds, even drain thy bitter cup.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Tragedies_of_Euripides_(Way)/Hecuba#:~:text=Haply%20with%20you,thy%20bitter%20cup.">Way</a> (Loeb) (1894)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Perhaps among you it is a light thing to murder guests, but with us in Hellas it is a disgrace. How can I escape reproach if I judge you not guilty? I could not. No, since you endured your horrid crime, endure as well its painful consequence.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0098%3Acard%3D1217#:~:text=Perhaps%20among%20you%20it%20is%20a%20light%20thing%20to%20murder%20guests%2C%20but%20with%20us%20in%20Hellas%20it%20is%20a%20disgrace.%20How%20can%20I%20escape%20reproach%20if%20I%20judge%20you%20not%20guilty%3F%20%5B1250%5D%20I%20could%20not.%20No%2C%20since%20you%20endured%20your%20horrid%20crime%2C%20endure%20as%20well%20its%20painful%20consequence.">Coleridge</a> (1938)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Perhaps you think it is a trifling matter<br>
to kill a guest.<br>
<span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">We Greeks call it murder.<br>
How, therefore, could I acquit you now<br>
without losing face among men?<br>
<span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">I could not do it.<br>
You committed a brutal crime; therefore accept<br>
the consequences of your act.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/euripidesiiihecu00euri/page/68/mode/2up?q=%22trifling+matter%22">Arrowsmith</a> (1958)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Perhaps for lesser breeds it's no great thing to kill a guest, but to us Greeks it is. If I say you did no wrong I can't escape the censure and the blame that I'll incur. Since you were tough enough to do such deeds be tough enough to suffer the results.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hecuba/94JBBAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22perhaps%20for%20lesser%20breeds%22">Harrison</a> (2005)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Maybe you think<br>
killing a guest -- in this case a child who’d been<br>
put in your care -- is a small matter in the larger<br>
scheme of things. But we Greeks think of it<br>
as heinous murder. How could I rule you innocent<br>
and maintain a shred of credibility? I can’t.<br>
You committed a brutal crime; be prepared, <br>
therefore, for a justly brutal punishment. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.didaskalia.net/issues/8/32/HecubaKardanStreet.pdf#page=38">Karden/Street</a> (2011)]</blockquote><br>
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		<title>Cicero, Marcus Tullius -- Philippics [Philippicae; Antonian Orations], No.  2, ch.  3 / sec.  5 (3.3/3.5) (44-10-24 BC) [tr. Grant (1960)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[That, Senators, is what a favour from gangsters amounts to. They refrain from murdering someone; then they boast that they have spared him! [Quod est aliud, patres conscripti, beneficium latronum, nisi ut commemorare possint iis se dedisse vitam, quibus non ademerint?] (Source (Latin)). Other translations: What other services, my lords, can robbers render, save that [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That, Senators, is what a favour from gangsters amounts to. They refrain from murdering someone; then they boast that they have spared him! </p>
<p><em>[Quod est aliud, patres conscripti, beneficium latronum, nisi ut commemorare possint iis se dedisse vitam, quibus non ademerint?]</em></p>
<br><b>Marcus Tullius Cicero</b> (106-43 BC) Roman orator, statesman, philosopher<br><i>Philippics [Philippicae; Antonian Orations]</i>, No.  2, ch.  3 / sec.  5 (3.3/3.5) (44-10-24 BC) [tr. Grant (1960)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Selected_Works_Cicero_Marcus_Tullius/7g1OF04FoW8C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22that%20senators%22%20%22from%20gangsters%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0011%3Atext%3DPhil.%3Aspeech%3D2%3Asection%3D5#:~:text=quod%20est%20aliud%2C%20patres%20conscripti%2C%20beneficium%20latronum%20nisi%20ut%20commemorare%20possint%20eis%20se%20dedisse%20vitam%20quibus%20non%20ademerint%3F">Source (Latin)</a>). Other translations: <br><br>

<blockquote>What other services, my lords, can robbers render, save that they can claim to have given life to those whose lives they spare?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_first_and_second_Philippic_orations/LFcCAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22what%20other%20services%22">King</a> (1877)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>How; are brigands "benefactors," except in being able to assert that they have granted life to those from whom they have not taken it?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.32106005388175&seq=88&q1=%22how+are+brigands%22">Ker</a> (Loeb) (1926)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Us not this, O conscript fathers, such a kindness as is done by banditti, who are contented with being able to boast that they have granted their lives to all those men whose lives they have not taken?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0021%3Aspeech%3D2%3Asection%3D5#:~:text=is%20not%20this%2C%20O%20conscript%20fathers%2C%20such%20a%20kindness%20as%20is%20done%20by%20banditti%2C%20who%20are%20contented%20with%20being%20able%20to%20boast%20that%20they%20have%20granted%20their%20lives%20to%20all%20those%20men%20whose%20lives%20they%20have%20not%20taken%3F">Yonge</a> (1903)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>How else can brigands confer a favour, conscript fathers, except by asserting that they have granted life to those from whom they have not taken it away?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Political_Speeches/YvIgBn4hjCsC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22how%20else%20can%20brigsnds%22">Berry</a> (2006)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>What is the kindness of outlaws, members of the Senate, other than their ability to remind us that they gave life to people from whom they did not steal it?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/In_Defence_of_the_Republic/Tk2TFK-NC4wC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22what%20is%20the%20kindness%22">McElduff</a> (2011)]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<description><![CDATA[No one is happy who lives such a life that his murder would be no crime, but would rather redound to the credit of his murderer. [Beatus est nemo qui ea lege vivit, ut non mode impune, sed etiam cum summa interfectoris gloria interfici potest.] See Achebe. (Source (Latin)). Other translations: No one is happy [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one is happy who lives such a life that his murder would be no crime, but would rather redound to the credit of his murderer.</p>
<p><em>[Beatus est nemo qui ea lege vivit, ut non mode impune, sed etiam cum summa interfectoris gloria interfici potest.]</em></p>
<br><b>Marcus Tullius Cicero</b> (106-43 BC) Roman orator, statesman, philosopher<br><i>Philippics [Philippicae; Antonian Orations</i>, No.  1, ch. 14 / sec.  35 (1.14/1.35) (44-09-02 BC) [ed. Harbottle (1906)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Dictionary_of_Quotations_classical/2rSZy0yVFm8C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22Beatus%20est%20nemo%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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See <a href="https://wist.info/achebe-chinua/35076/">Achebe</a>.<br><br>

(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0011%3Atext%3DPhil.%3Aspeech%3D1%3Asection%3D35#:~:text=beatus%20est%20nemo%20qui%20ea%20lege%20vivit%20ut%20non%20modo%20impune%20sed%20etiam%20cum%20summa%20interfectoris%20gloria%20interfici%20possit.">Source (Latin)</a>). Other translations: <br><br>

<blockquote>No one is happy who lives upon such terms that his death not only goes unpunished, but even brings the highest glory to his murderers.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_first_and_second_Philippic_orations/LFcCAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22no%20one%20is%20happy%22">King</a> (1877)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No one is happy who holds his life on such terms that he may be slain, not only with impunity, but even to the greatest glory of his slayer.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.32106005388175&seq=74&q1=%22no+one+is+happy%22">Ker</a> (Loeb) (1926)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No one is happy who lives on such terms that he may be put to death not merely with impunity, but even to the great glory of his slayer.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0021%3Aspeech%3D1%3Asection%3D35#:~:text=No%20one%20is%20happy%20who%20lives%20on%20such%20terms%20that%20he%20may%20be%20put%20to%20death%20not%20merely%20with%20impunity%2C%20but%20even%20to%20the%20great%20glory%20of%20his%20slayer.">Yonge</a> (1903)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No one is happy whose life is lived by this law: not only can someone kill him with impunity, but the killer gains enormous fame from the deed.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/indefenceofrepub0000cice/page/194/mode/2up?q=%22no+one+is+happy%22">McElduff</a> (2011)]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<description><![CDATA[ORESTES: What should we do? Should we kill our mother? [ὈΡΈΣΤΗΣ: τί δῆτα δρῶμεν; μητέρ᾿ ἦ φονεύσομεν.] The answer from Electra, of course, is yes &#8212; Clytemnestra is to be killed for her role in the murder of her late husband (and Electra and Oresthes&#8217; father), Agamemnon. They have already killed the other responsible party, [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p>[ὈΡΈΣΤΗΣ: τί δῆτα δρῶμεν; μητέρ᾿ ἦ φονεύσομεν.]</p>
<br><b>Euripides</b> (485?-406? BC) Greek tragic dramatist<br><i>Electra</i> [Ἠλέκτρα], l.  966ff (c. 420 BC) [tr. @sentantiq (2020)] 
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The answer from Electra, of course, is yes -- Clytemnestra is to be killed for her role in the murder of her late husband (and Electra and Oresthes' father), Agamemnon. They have already killed the other responsible party, her next husband, Aegisthus.<br><br>

(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0095%3Acard%3D957#:~:text=%CF%84%CE%AF%20%CE%B4%E1%BF%86%CF%84%CE%B1%20%CE%B4%CF%81%E1%BF%B6%CE%BC%CE%B5%CE%BD%3B%20%CE%BC%CE%B7%CF%84%CE%AD%CF%81%E1%BE%BD%20%E1%BC%A6%20%CF%86%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%B5%CF%8D%CF%83%CE%BF%CE%BC%CE%B5%CE%BD%3B">Source (Greek)</a>). Alternate translations: <br><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">What now remains <br>
For us to do, shall we with ruthless steel <br>
Pierce the maternal breast?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/nineteentragedi02wodhgoog/page/292/mode/2up?q=%22What+%C2%AB0W+remains%22">Wodhull</a> (1809)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>What are we going to do? Shall we kill our mother?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0096%3Acard%3D957#:~:text=What%20are%20we%20going%20to%20do%3F%20Shall%20we%20kill%20our%20mother%3F">Coleridge</a> (1891)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>What then shall we do? shall we murder our mother?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_tragedies_of_Euripides_literally_tr/xdkNAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22shall%20we%20murder%22">Buckley</a> (1892)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>What shall we do? -- our mother shall we slay?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Tragedies_of_Euripides_(Way)/Electra#cite_ref-34:~:text=What%20shall%20we%20do%3F%E2%80%94our%20mother%20shall%20we%20slay%3F">Way</a> (1896)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>What would we with our mother? Didst thou say<br>
Kill her?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Electra_(Murray)/Text#:~:text=What%20would%20we%20with%20our%20mother%3F%20Didst%20thou%20say%0AKill%20her%3F">Murray</a> (1905)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>What must we do to our mother? Slay her?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/completegreekdr02oate/page/94/mode/2up?view=theater&q=%22what+must+we+do+to%22">Coleridge</a> (1938 ed.)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>What shall we do then? Slaughter our mother?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://bacchicstage.wordpress.com/euripides/elektra-aka-electra/#:~:text=What%20shall%20we%20do%20then%3F%20Slaughter%20our%20mother%3F">Theodoridis</a> (2006)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">What are we going to do?<br>
Kill our mother?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://johnstoniatexts.x10host.com/euripides/electrahtml.html#:~:text=What%20are%20we%20going%20to%20do%3F%0AKill%20our%20mother%3F">Johnston</a> (2009)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>What shall we do? Can we really kill our mother?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Greek_Plays/P5O5DAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22orestes%20what%20shall%20we%20do%22">Wilson</a> (2016)]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Hugo, Victor -- Les Misérables, Part 1 &#8220;Fantine,&#8221; Book  1 &#8220;An Upright Man,&#8221; ch.  7 (1.1.7) [Bp. Myriel] (1862) [tr. Wilbour/Fahnestock/MacAfee (1987)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Have no fear of robbers or murderers. They are external dangers, petty dangers. We should fear ourselves. Prejudices are the real robbers; vices the real murderers. The great dangers are within us. Why worry about what threatens our heads or our purses? Let us think instead of what threatens our souls. [Ne craignons jamais les [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have no fear of robbers or murderers. They are external dangers, petty dangers. We should fear ourselves. Prejudices are the real robbers; vices the real murderers. The great dangers are within us. Why worry about what threatens our heads or our purses? Let us think instead of what threatens our souls.</p>
<p><em>[Ne craignons jamais les voleurs ni les meurtriers. Ce sont là les dangers du dehors, les petits dangers. Craignons-nous nous-mêmes. Les préjugés, voilà les voleurs; les vices, voilà les meurtriers. Les grands dangers sont au dedans de nous. Qu’importe ce qui menace notre tête ou notre bourse! Ne songeons qu’à ce qui menace notre âme.]</em></p>
<br><b>Victor Hugo</b> (1802-1885) French writer<br><i>Les Misérables</i>, Part 1 &#8220;Fantine,&#8221; Book  1 &#8220;An Upright Man,&#8221; ch.  7 (1.1.7) [Bp. Myriel] (1862) [tr. Wilbour/Fahnestock/MacAfee (1987)] 
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(<a href="https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Les_Mis%C3%A9rables/Tome_1/Livre_1/07#:~:text=Ne%20craignons%20jamais,menace%20notre%20%C3%A2me.">Source (French)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>Have no fear of robbers or murderers. Such dangers are without, and are but petty. We should fear ourselves. Prejudices are teh real robbers; vices the real murderers. The great dangers are within us. What mater it what threatens our heads or our purses? Let us think only of what threatens our souls.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.43835/page/n37/mode/2up?q=%22robbers+or+mu%5E-derers%22">Wilbour</a> (1862)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Never let us fear robbers or murderers. These are external and small dangers; let us fear ourselves; prejudices are the real robbers, vices the true murderers. The great dangers are within ourselves. Let us not trouble about what threatens our head or purse, and only think of what threatens our soul.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/lesmiserables0000vict_z1p0/page/n53/mode/2up?q=%22never+let+us+fear%22">Wraxall</a> (1862)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let us never fear robbers nor murderers. Those are dangers from without, petty dangers. Let us fear ourselves. Prejudices are the real robbers; vices are the real murderers. The great dangers lie within ourselves. What matters it what threatens our head or our purse! Let us think only of that which threatens our soul.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Les_Mis%C3%A9rables/Volume_1/Book_First/Chapter_7#:~:text=Let%20us%20never,threatens%20our%20soul.">Hapgood</a> (1887)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>We must never fear robbers or murderers. They are dangers from outside, small dangers. It is ourselves we have to fear. Prejudice is the real robber, and vice the real murderer. Why should we be troubled by a threat to our person or our pocket? What we have to beware of is the threat to our souls.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/lesmisrables0000hugo/page/42/mode/2up?q=%22we+must+never+fear%22">Denny</a> (1976)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Never fear robbers or murderers. Thiose are dangers that come from without. Small dangers. Let us fear ourselves. Prejudices are the real robbers. Vices are the real murderers. The great dangers are within us. Never mind what endangers our life or our purse! Let's be mindful only of what endangers our soul.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Les_Miserables/dyKMDQAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22never%20fear%20robbers%20or%20murderers%22">Donougher</a> (2013)] </blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Shakespeare, William -- Macbeth, Act 1, sc. 5, l.  47ff (1.5.47-61) (1606)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[LADY MACBETH:Come, you spirits That tend on mortal thoughts, unsex me here, And fill me from the crown to the toe top-full Of direst cruelty. Make thick my blood. Stop up th’ access and passage to remorse, That no compunctious visitings of nature Shake my fell purpose, nor keep peace between Th’ effect and it. [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">LADY MACBETH:<span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Come, you spirits<br />
That tend on mortal thoughts, unsex me here,<br />
And fill me from the crown to the toe top-full<br />
Of direst cruelty. Make thick my blood.<br />
Stop up th’ access and passage to remorse,<br />
That no compunctious visitings of nature<br />
Shake my fell purpose, nor keep peace between<br />
Th’ effect and it. Come to my woman’s breasts<br />
And take my milk for gall, you murd’ring ministers,<br />
Wherever in your sightless substances<br />
You wait on nature’s mischief. Come, thick night,<br />
And pall thee in the dunnest smoke of hell,<br />
That my keen knife see not the wound it makes,<br />
Nor heaven peep through the blanket of the dark<br />
To cry “Hold, hold!”</p>
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<br><b>William Shakespeare</b> (1564-1616) English dramatist and poet<br><i>Macbeth</i>, Act 1, sc. 5, l.  47ff (1.5.47-61) (1606) 
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		<title>Faulkner, William -- &#8220;The Art of Fiction,&#8221; Interview by Jean Stein, Paris Review #12 (Spring 1956)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe the purpose of this sorry and tragic error committed in my native Mississippi by two white adults on an afflicted Negro child is to prove to us whether or not we deserve to survive. Because if we in America have reached that point in our desperate culture when we must murder children, no matter [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the purpose of this sorry and tragic error committed in my native Mississippi by two white adults on an afflicted Negro child is to prove to us whether or not we deserve to survive. Because if we in America have reached that point in our desperate culture when we must murder children, no matter for what reason or what color, we don’t deserve to survive, and probably won’t.</p>
<br><b>William Faulkner</b> (1897-1962) American novelist<br>&#8220;The Art of Fiction,&#8221; Interview by Jean Stein, <i>Paris Review</i> #12 (Spring 1956) 
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Regarding the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmett_Till">Emmett Till</a> murder.						</span>
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		<title>Shaw, George Bernard -- The Shewing-up of Blanco Posnet, &#8220;The Rejected Statement, Part 1,&#8221; &#8220;The Limits to Toleration&#8221; (1909)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assassination is the extreme form of censorship.</p>
<br><b>George Bernard Shaw</b> (1856-1950) Irish playwright and critic<br><i>The Shewing-up of Blanco Posnet</i>, &#8220;The Rejected Statement, Part 1,&#8221; &#8220;The Limits to Toleration&#8221; (1909) 
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		<title>Shakespeare, William -- Macbeth, Act 5, sc. 1, l.  37ff (5.1.37-42) (1606)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[LADY MACBETH: Out, damned spot, out, I say! One. Two. Why then, ’tis time to do ’t. Hell is murky. Fie, my lord, fie, a soldier and afeard? What need we fear who knows it, when none can call our power to account? Yet who would have thought the old man to have had so [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">LADY MACBETH: Out, damned spot, out, I say! One. Two. Why then, ’tis time to do ’t. Hell is murky. Fie, my lord, fie, a soldier and afeard? What need we fear who knows it, when none can call our power to account? Yet who would have thought the old man to have had so much blood in him?</p>
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<br><b>William Shakespeare</b> (1564-1616) English dramatist and poet<br><i>Macbeth</i>, Act 5, sc. 1, l.  37ff (5.1.37-42) (1606) 
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		<title>Addison, Joseph -- Essay (1711-10-02), The Spectator, No. 185</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[We are told by some of the Jewish Rabbins, that the first Murder was occasioned by a religious Controversy; and if we had the whole History of Zeal from the Days of Cain to our own Times, we should see it filled with so many Scenes of Slaughter and Bloodshed, as would make a wise [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are told by some of the Jewish Rabbins, that the first Murder was occasioned by a religious Controversy; and if we had the whole History of Zeal from the Days of Cain to our own Times, we should see it filled with so many Scenes of Slaughter and Bloodshed, as would make a wise Man very careful how he suffers himself to be actuated by such a Principle, when it only regards Matters of Opinion and Speculation.</p>
<br><b>Joseph Addison</b> (1672-1719) English essayist, poet, statesman<br>Essay (1711-10-02), <i>The Spectator</i>, No. 185 
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		<title>Martial -- Epigrams [Epigrammata], Book  8, epigram 43 (8.43) (AD 94) [tr. Duff (1929)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fabius buries all his wives: Chrestilla ends her husbands&#8217; lives. The torch which from the marriage-bed They brandish soon attends the dead. O Venus, link this conquering pair! Their match will meet with issue fair, Whereby for such a dangerous two A single funeral will do! [Effert uxores Fabius, Chrestilla maritos, funereamque toris quassat uterque [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fabius buries all his wives:<br />
<span class="tab">Chrestilla ends her husbands&#8217; lives.<br />
The torch which from the marriage-bed<br />
<span class="tab">They brandish soon attends the dead.<br />
O Venus, link this conquering pair!<br />
<span class="tab">Their match will meet with issue fair,<br />
Whereby for such a dangerous <i>two</i><br />
<span class="tab">A single funeral will do!</p>
<p><em>[Effert uxores Fabius, Chrestilla maritos,<br />
funereamque toris quassat uterque facem.<br />
Victores committe, Venus: quos iste manebit<br />
exitus, una duos ut Libitina ferat.]</em></span></span></span></span></p>
<br><b>Martial</b> (AD c.39-c.103) Spanish Roman poet, satirist, epigrammatist [Marcus Valerius Martialis]<br><i>Epigrams [Epigrammata]</i>, Book  8, epigram 43 (8.43) (AD 94) [tr. Duff (1929)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/44640/44640-h/44640-h.htm#:~:text=Fabius%20buries%20all,funeral%20will%20do!" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Epigrams/RIxiAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22effert%20uxores%22&pg=PA32&printsec=frontcover">Original Latin</a>. Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>Five wives hath he dispatch'd, she husbands five:<br>
<span class="tab">By both alike the undertakers thrive.<br>
Venus assist! let them join hands in troth!<br>
<span class="tab">One common funeral, then, would serve them both.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Epigrams_of_Martial/LzXgAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22fabius%20buries%22&pg=PA369&printsec=frontcover">Hay</a> (1755)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>While Tom and Dolly many mates<br>
<span class="tab">Do carry off ('tis said)<br>
Each shakes by turns (so will the Fates)<br>
<span class="tab">The Fun'ral torch in bed.<br>
Oh fie, ma'am, Venus, end this rout,<br>
<span class="tab">Commit them to the Fleet,<br>
And grant they may be carried out,<br>
<span class="tab">Both buried in one sheet.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/epigramsmartial00scotgoog/page/n50/mode/2up?q=%22many+mates%22">Scott</a> (1773)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Both Fabby and Chrestil know well how to bury<br>
<span class="tab">A consort, and with sable torch to make merry.<br>
Yoke, Venus, the victors; and, mutually loath,<br>
<span class="tab">Let one Libitana lay hold of them both.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Epigrams_of_M_Val_Martial/vksOAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA283&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22fabius%20and%20chrestilla%22">Elphinston</a> (1782), Book 6, Part 2, ep. 47]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Fabius buries his wives, Chrestilla her husbands; each shakes a funeral torch over the nuptial couch. Unite these conquerers, Venus, and the result will then be that Libitina will carry them both off together.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.tertullian.org/fathers/martial_epigrams_book08.htm#:~:text=Fabius%20buries%20his%20wives%2C%20Chrestilla%20her%20husbands%3B%20each%20shakes%20a%20funeral%20torch%20over%20the%20nuptial%20couch.%20Unite%20these%20conquerors%2C%20Venus%2C%20and%20the%20result%20will%20then%20be%20that%20Libitina%20will%20carry%20them%20both%20off%20together.">Bohn's Classical</a> (1860)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Fabius has buried all his wives;<br>
<span class="tab">Short are Chrestilla's husbands' lives.<br>
And 'tis a funeral torch this pair<br>
<span class="tab">Do, at their nuptials, wave in air.<br>
These conquerors, Venus, sure 'twere fit<br>
<span class="tab">Against each other now to pit:<br>
So shall such end await the two,<br>
<span class="tab">That for them both one bier may do.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/selectedepigrams00martrich/page/90/mode/2up?q=fabius">Webb</a> (1879)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Chrestilla has buried her husbands,<br>
<span class="tab">While Fabius has buried his wives;<br>
Since they're both sure to make<br>
Every marriage a wake,<br>
<span class="tab">Pray, Venus, unite their two lives.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/romanwitepigrams00mart/page/78/mode/2up?q=fabius">Nixon</a> (1911)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Fabius buried his wives, Chrestilla her husbands, and each of them waves the funeral torch over a marriage-bed. Match the victors, Venus; this is the end that will await them -- one funeral to convey the pair.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Epigrams/RIxiAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22fabius%20buries%22&pg=PA33&printsec=frontcover">Ker</a> (1920)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>He poisons wives, she husbands by the dozen,<br>
<span class="tab">With Pluto's torch the marriage-bed they cozen.<br>
Unite them, Venus, in the marriage tether,<br>
<span class="tab">So death shall carry off the two together.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/martialtwelveboo0000tran/page/244/mode/2up?q=%22poisons+wives%22">Pott & Wright</a> (1921)]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>Chrestilla lays her lords to rest, his ladies<br>
<span class="tab">Fabius, and ushers them with pomp to Hades.<br>
Kind Venus, match the winners. Then, I trust,<br>
<span class="tab">One funeral pyre will turn the pair to dust.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Martial_s_Epigrams/g35fAAAAMAAJ?gbpv=1&bsq=%22chrestilla%20lays%22">Francis & Tatum</a> (1924) #420]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Chrestilla digs her husbands' graves,<br>
<span class="tab">Fabius buries his wives. Each waves,<br>
As bride or groom, the torch of doom<br>
<span class="tab">Over the marriage bed. Now pair<br>
<span class="tab">These finalists, Venus: let them share<br>
Victory in a single tomb.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/epigrams0000mart/page/94/mode/2up?q=cinna">Michie</a> (1972)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Fabius buries his wives, Chrestilla her husbands; each of them brandishes a funeral torch over the marriage bed. Venus, match the winners; the end awaiting them will be one bier to carry the pair.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://dokumen.pub/martial-epigrams-books-6-10-2-0674995562-9780674995567.html">Shackleton Bailey</a> (1993)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>They each took separate spouses to their bed,<br>
<span class="tab">Then swiftly to the graveyard each they led.<br>
Conjoining both their marriage feats,<br>
<span class="tab">They'll serve each other funeral meats.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Martial_s_Epigrams/13X80r3_zQIC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PT1&printsec=frontcover&bsq=8.43">Wills</a> (2007)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Fabius buries his wives; Christella, her husbands.<br>
Each waves the funeral torch over the marriage bed.<br>
Dear Venus, arrange that this pair be engaged.<br>
<span class="tab">One coffin will be enough to contain the dead.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/martialart0000kenn/page/48/mode/2up?q=venus">Kennelly</a> (2008), "Partners"]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>Chrestilla buries husbands; Fabius wives.<br>
Each waves the funeral torch at the marriage bed.<br>
Pair up the winners, Venus. The result<br>
<span class="tab">will be that both will share a bier instead.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/selectedepigrams0000mart_b6d3/page/66/mode/2up?q=chrestilla">McLean</a> (2014)]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Homer -- The Odyssey [Ὀδύσσεια], Book 11, l. 427ff (11.427) [Agamemnon] (c. 700 BC) [tr. Rieu (1946)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[And so I say that for brutality and infamy there is no one to equal a woman who can contemplate such deeds. Who else could conceive so hideous a crime as her deliberate butchery of her husband and her lord? [ὣς οὐκ αἰνότερον καὶ κύντερον ἄλλο γυναικός, ἥ τις δὴ τοιαῦτα μετὰ φρεσὶν ἔργα βάληται: [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And so I say that for brutality and infamy there is no one to equal a woman who can contemplate such deeds. Who else could conceive so hideous a crime as her deliberate butchery of her husband and her lord?</p>
<p>[ὣς οὐκ αἰνότερον καὶ κύντερον ἄλλο γυναικός,<br />
ἥ τις δὴ τοιαῦτα μετὰ φρεσὶν ἔργα βάληται:<br />
οἷον δὴ καὶ κείνη ἐμήσατο ἔργον ἀεικές,<br />
κουριδίῳ τεύξασα πόσει φόνον.]</p>
<br><b>Homer</b> (fl. 7th-8th C. BC) Greek author<br><i>The Odyssey</i> [Ὀδύσσεια], Book 11, l. 427ff (11.427) [Agamemnon] (c. 700 BC) [tr. Rieu (1946)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/stream/TheOdyssey/TheOdyssey_djvu.txt#:~:text=and%20so%20i%20say%20that%20for%20brutality%20and%20infamy%20there%20is%20no%20one%20to%20equal%20a%20woman%20who%20can%20contemplate%20such%20deeds.%20who%20else%20could%20conceive%20so%20hideous%20a%20crime%20as%20her%20deliberate%20butchery%20of%20her%20husband%20and%20her%20lord%3F" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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Agamemnon, in the Underworld, telling Odysseus of his betrayal by Clytemnestra. <a href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0135%3Abook%3D11%3Acard%3D404#:~:text=%CF%89%CF%82%20%CE%BF%CF%85%CE%BA%20%CE%B1%CE%B9%CE%BD%CE%BF%CF%84%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%BF%CE%BD%20%CE%BA%CE%B1%CE%B9%20%CE%BA%CF%85%CE%BD%CF%84%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%BF%CE%BD%20%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%BF%20%CE%B3%CF%85%CE%BD%CE%B1%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%BF%CF%82%2C%20%CE%B7%20%CF%84%CE%B9%CF%82%20%CE%B4%CE%B7%20%CF%84%CE%BF%CE%B9%CE%B1%CF%85%CF%84%CE%B1%20%CE%BC%CE%B5%CF%84%CE%B1%20%CF%86%CF%81%CE%B5%CF%83%CE%B9%CE%BD%20%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B3%CE%B1%20%CE%B2%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%B7%CF%84%CE%B1%CE%B9%3A%20%CE%BF%CE%B9%CE%BF%CE%BD%20%CE%B4%CE%B7%20%CE%BA%CE%B1%CE%B9%20%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%BD%CE%B7%20%CE%B5%CE%BC%CE%B7%CF%83%CE%B1%CF%84%CE%BF%20%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B3%CE%BF%CE%BD%20%CE%B1%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%B5%CF%82%2C%20430%CE%BA%CE%BF%CF%85%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%B9%CF%89%20%CF%84%CE%B5%CF%85%CE%BE%CE%B1%CF%83%CE%B1%20%CF%80%CE%BF%CF%83%CE%B5%CE%B9%20%CF%86%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%BF%CE%BD">Original Greek</a>. Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>Nothing so heap’d is with impieties,<br>
As such a woman that would kill her spouse<br>
That married her a maid.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/48895/48895-h/48895-h.htm#:~:text=nothing%20so%20heap%E2%80%99d%20is%20with%20impieties%2C%20as%20such%20a%20woman%20that%20would%20kill%20her%20spouse%20that%20married%20her%20a%20maid.">Chapman</a> (1616)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Nothing so cruel as a woman yet<br>
Did nature e’er produce; a thought so ill<br>
In any other breast did never sit,<br>
As her own loving husband’s blood to spill.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://oll.libertyfund.org/title/hobbes-the-english-works-vol-x-iliad-and-odyssey#:~:text=nothing%20so%20cruel%20as%20a%20woman%20yet">Hobbes</a> (1675), l. 409ff]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O woman, woman, when to ill thy mind<br>
Is bent, all hell contains no fouler fiend:<br>
And such was mine! who basely plunged her sword<br>
Through the fond bosom where she reign'd adored!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Odyssey_(Pope)/Book_XI#:~:text=o%20woman%2C%20woman%2C%20when%20to%20ill%20thy%20mind%20is%20bent%2C%20all%20hell%20contains%20no%20fouler%20fiend%3A%20and%20such%20was%20mine!%20who%20basely%20plunged%20her%20sword%20through%20the%20fond%20bosom%20where%20she%20reign'd%20adored!">Pope</a> (1725)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>So that the thing breathes not, ruthless and fell<br>
As woman once resolv’d on such a deed<br>
Detestable, as my base wife contrived,<br>
The murther of the husband of her youth.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/24269/24269-h/24269-h.htm#:~:text=so%20that%20the%20thing%20breathes%20not%2C%20ruthless%20and%20fell%20as%20woman%20once%20resolv%E2%80%99d%20on%20such%20a%20deed%20520%20detestable%2C%20as%20my%20base%20wife%20contrived%2C%20the%20murther%20of%20the%20husband%20of%20her%20youth.">Cowper</a> (1792), l. 519ff]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Since nought exists more horrible and bold<br>
Than evil in the breast of womankind,<br>
When she to her own lust herself hath sold,<br>
Even as this fell monster in her mind<br>
Against the husband of her youth designed<br>
Black murder.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Odyssey_of_Homer/7-Eh5oFk6msC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA275&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22more%20horrible%20and%20bold%22">Worsley</a> (1861), st. 60]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Thus there is nought more horrible and shameless,<br>
Than woman, who such deeds as these could think on!<br>
Like as she compassed this unseemly deed --<br>
Blood -- murder 'gainst the husband of her youth!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Nearly_Literal_Translation_of_Homer_s/44YXAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA192&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22horrible%20and%20shameless%22">Bigge-Wither</a> (1869)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Nought can more fearful be --<br>
Nought more revolting in all shamelessness<br>
Than Woman of this stamp, who to her heart<br>
Such schemes could lay: For what a loathsome act<br>
Was that which she design'd by bloody death<br>
The husband to destroy, whom in her youth<br>
She had in lawful wedlock made her vow!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Odyssey_of_Homer/RgULAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=odyssey%20musgrave&pg=PA297&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22nought%20can%20more%20fearful%22">Musgrave</a> (1869), l. 659ff]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>So surely is there nought more terrible and shameless than a woman who imagines such evil in her heart, even as she too planned a foul deed, fashioning death for her wedded lord.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1728/1728-h/1728-h.htm#:~:text=so%20surely%20is%20there%20nought%20more%20terrible%20and%20shameless%20than%20a%20woman%20who%20imagines%20such%20evil%20in%20her%20heart%2C%20even%20as%20she%20too%20planned%20a%20foul%20deed%2C%20fashioning%20death%20for%20her%20wedded%20lord.">Butcher/Lang</a> (1879)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Nought more shameless or more fearful than a woman may ye find<br>
When she at last conceiveth such deeds within her mind.<br>
E'en such a deed so unseemly as she imagined for me,<br>
To murder her wedded husband!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Odyssey_of_Homer/VwcOAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA205&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22nought%20more%20shameless%22">Morris</a> (1887), l. 427ff]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Ah, what can be more horrible and brutish than a woman when she admits into her thoughts such deeds as these! And what a shameless deed she plotted to bring about the murder of the husband of her youth!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Odyssey/KYlBAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA178&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22horrible%20and%20brutish%22">Palmer</a> (1891)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>For there is nothing in this world so cruel and so shameless as a woman when she has fallen into such guilt as hers was. Fancy murdering her own husband!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Odyssey_(Butler)/Book_XI#:~:text=for%20there%20is%20nothing%20in%20this%20world%20so%20cruel%20and%20so%20shameless%20as%20a%20woman%20when%20she%20has%20fallen%20into%20such%20guilt%20as%20her's%20was.%20fancy%20murdering%20her%20own%20husband!">Butler</a> (1898)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>So true is it that there is nothing more dread or more shameless than a woman who puts into her heart such deeds, even as she too devised a monstrous thing, contriving death for her wedded husband.<br>
[tr. <a href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0136%3Abook%3D11%3Acard%3D404#:~:text=so%20true%20is%20it%20that%20there%20is%20nothing%20more%20dread%20or%20more%20shameless%20than%20a%20woman%20who%20puts%20into%20her%20heart%20such%20deeds%2C%20even%20as%20she%20too%20devised%20a%20monstrous%20thing%2C%20%5B430%5D%20contriving%20death%20for%20her%20wedded%20husband.">Murray</a> (1919)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I tell you, there is nought more awful and inhuman than a woman who can fondle in her heart crimes so foul as this conception of my wife's to murder the husband of her youth.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Odyssey_of_Homer/r8eKFwymHmcC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=homer%20odyssey&pg=PA163&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22nought%20more%20awful%22">Lawrence</a> (1932)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>So there is nothing more deadly or more vile than a woman <br>
who stores her mind with acts that are of such sort, as this one <br>
did when she thought of this act of dishonor, and plotted <br>
the murder of her lawful husband.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/stream/hmril/The%20Odyssey%20of%20Homer%2C%20translated%20by%20Richmond%20Lattimore_djvu.txt#:~:text=So%20there%20is%20nothing%20more%20deadly%20or%20more%20vile%20than%20a%20%0Awoman%20%0A%0Awho%20stores%20her%20mind%20with%20acts%20that%20are%20of%20such%20sort%2C%20as%20%0Athis%20one%20%0A%0Adid%20when%20she%20thought%20of%20this%20act%20of%20dishonor%2C%20and%20%0Aplotted%20%0A%0A430%20the%20murder%20of%20her%20lawful%20husband.">Lattimore</a> (1965)]</blockquote><br>


<blockquote>So,<br>
there’s nothing more deadly, bestial than a woman<br>
set on works like these -- what a monstrous thing<br>
she plotted, slaughtered her own lawful husband!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.boyle.kyschools.us/UserFiles/88/The%20Odyssey.pdf">Fagles</a> (1996)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Nothing<br>
Is more grim or more shameless than a woman<br>
Who sets her mind on such an unspeakable act<br>
As killing her own husband.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Odyssey/yIFAC9r4NW0C?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA170&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22grim%20or%20more%20shameless%22">Lombardo</a> (2000), l. 443ff]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>So there is nothing at all more dreadful or vile than a woman who in the thought of her heart meditates this kind of misdoing like that woman who craftily plotted a deed so indecent causing the death of the husband she wedded.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Odyssey/EC9coOuym-kC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PP6&printsec=frontcover&bsq=kind%20of%20misdoing">Merrill</a> (2002)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>There is nothing more terrible, nor anything more shameless, than a woman who can plan deeds like this in her heart, deeds like this ugly crime that Clytemnestra plotted: the murder of her lawfully wedded husband.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Odyssey/o8dLDQAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PR3&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22nothing%20more%20terrible%22">Verity</a> (2016)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>There's nothing more frightful or shameless than a woman who conceives the idea of such misdeeds in her heart, like the horrifying act that this woman planned, contriving her own wedded husband's murder.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Odyssey/BUFJDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PR5&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22nothing%20more%20frightful%22">Green</a> (2018)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The truth is, there’s nothing more disgusting,<br>
more disgraceful, than a woman whose heart<br>
is set on deeds like this -- the way she planned<br>
the shameless act, to arrange the murder<br>
of the man she married.<br>
[tr. <a href="http://johnstoniatexts.x10host.com/homer/odyssey11html.html#:~:text=The%20truth%20is%2C%20there%E2%80%99s%20nothing%20more%20disgusting">Johnston</a> (2019), l. 539ff]</blockquote><br>


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<br><b>Benjamin Ferencz</b> (b. 1920) American lawyer, international legal scholar, activist<br>&#8220;What the last Nuremberg prosecutor alive wants the world to know,&#8221; interview with Leslie Stahl, <i>60 Minutes</i> (7 May 2017) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-the-last-nuremberg-prosecutor-alive-wants-the-world-to-know/#article-entry:~:text=years.-,War%20makes%20murderers%20out%20of%20otherwise%20decent%20people.%20All%20wars%2C%20and%20all%20decent%20people" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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Ferencz served as chief prosecutor of twenty Einsatzgruppen officers during the Nuremberg war crimes trials. Longer excerpt:<br><br>

<blockquote>STAHL: Did you meet a lot of people who perpetrated war crimes who would otherwise in your opinion have been just a normal, upstanding citizen?<br>

FERENCZ: Of course, is my answer. These men would never have been murderers had it not been for the war. These were people who could quote Goethe, who loved Wagner, who were polite --<br>

STAHL: What turns a man into a savage beast like that?<br>

FERENCZ: He's not a savage. He's an intelligent, patriotic human being.<br>

STAHL: He's a savage when he does the murder though.<br>

FERENCZ: No. He's a patriotic human being acting in the interest of his country, in his mind.<br>

STAHL: You don't think they turn into savages even for the act?<br>

FERENCZ: Do you think the man who dropped the nuclear bomb on Hiroshima was a savage? Now I will tell you something very profound, which I have learned after many years. War makes murderers out of otherwise decent people. All wars, and all decent people.</blockquote>

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		<title>Cicero, Marcus Tullius -- Pro Milone, ch. 4, sec. 11 [tr. Yonge (1891)]</title>
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<p><em>[Silent enim leges inter arma.]</em></p>
<br><b>Marcus Tullius Cicero</b> (106-43 BC) Roman orator, statesman, philosopher<br><i>Pro Milone</i>, ch. 4, sec. 11 [tr. Yonge (1891)] 
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In context, Cicero is asserting that self-defense is a valid defense for killing, even though that principle was not written into Roman law. It has been extended in legal terms to times of war being exempt from normal laws regarding killing.<br><br> 

Alt. trans.:<ul>
	<li>"For laws are silent among arms."</li>
	<li>"In a time of war, the law falls silent."</li>
	<li>"Laws are silent in time of war."</li>
	<li>"The laws are silent in warfare."</li>
	<li>"For among arms, the laws fall mute."</li>
	<li>"The power of law is suspended during war."</li>
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		<title>Arendt, Hannah -- Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil, ch.  8 (1963)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And just as the law in civilized countries assumes that the voice of conscience tells everybody, &#8220;Thou shalt not kill,&#8221; even though man&#8217;s natural desires and inclinations may at times be murderous, so the law of Hitler&#8217;s land demanded that the voice of conscience tell everybody: &#8220;Thou shalt kill,&#8221; although the organizers of the massacres knew full well that murder is against the normal desires and inclinations of most people. Evil in the Third Reich had lost the quality by which most people recognize it &#8212; the quality of temptation.</p>
<br><b>Hannah Arendt</b> (1906-1975) German-American philosopher, political theorist<br><i>Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil</i>, ch.  8 (1963) 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Satchelmouth was by no means averse to the finger-foxtrot and the skull fandango, but he&#8217;d never murdered anyone, at least on purpose. Satchelmouth had been made aware that he had a soul and, though it had a few holes in it and was a little ragged around the edges, he cherished the hope that some day the god Reg would find him a place in a celestial combo. You didn&#8217;t get the best gigs if you were a murderer. You probably had to play the viola.</p>
<br><b>Terry Pratchett</b> (1948-2015) English author<br>Discworld No. 16, <i>Soul Music</i> (1994) 
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<br><b>Cormac McCarthy</b> (1933-2023) American novelist, playwright, screenwriter<br><i>Outer Dark</i> (1968) 
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<br><b>Gail Carriger</b> (b. 1976) American archaeologist, author [pen name of Tofa Borregaard]<br><i>Etiquette &#038; Espionage</i> (2013) 
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<br><b>Chinua Achebe</b> (1930-2013) Nigerian novelist, poet, professor, critic [Albert Chinualumogu Achebe]<br><i>A Man of the People</i>, ch. 13 (1966) 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Murder investigations start with the victim because usually in the first instance that’s all you&#8217;ve got. The study of the victim is called victimology because everything sounds better with an <em>ology</em> tacked on the end. To make sure that you make a proper fist of this, the police have developed the world&#8217;s most useless mnemonic: <em>5 x WH &#038; H</em>. Otherwise known as <em>Who? What? Where? When? Why? &#038; How? </em>Next time you watch a real murder investigation on the TV and you see a group of serious-looking detectives standing around talking, remember that what they’re actually doing is trying to work out what sodding order the mnemonic is supposed to go in. Once they’ve sorted that out the exhausted officers will retire to the nearest watering hole for a drink and a bit of a breather.</p>
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		<title>Heinlein, Robert A. -- Friday [Friday Jones] (1982)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do not kill everyone with whom I have a difference of opinion and I would not want anyone reading this memoir to think that I do.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not kill everyone with whom I have a difference of opinion and I would not want anyone reading this memoir to think that I do.</p>
<br><b>Robert A. Heinlein</b> (1907-1988) American writer<br><i>Friday</i> [Friday Jones] (1982) 
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		<title>Talmud -- Mishnah Sanhedrin 4:9; Yerushalmi Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin 37a</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoever destroys a soul, it is considered as if he destroyed an entire world. And whoever saves a life, it is considered as if he saved an entire world.</p>
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<br><b>The Talmud</b> (AD 200-500) Collection of Jewish rabbinical writings<br>Mishnah Sanhedrin 4:9; Yerushalmi Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin 37a 
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Alt. trans.: "Whoever destroys a single life is as guilty as though he had destroyed the entire world; and whoever rescues a single life earns as much merit as though he had rescued the entire world."
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		<title>Cain, Cheryl -- Firefly, 1&#215;10 &#8220;War Stories&#8221; (6 Dec 2002)</title>
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<p>BOOK: Quite specific. It is, however, somewhat fuzzier on the subject of kneecaps.</p>
<br><b>Cheryl Cain</b> (contemp.) American television screenwriter<br><i>Firefly</i>, 1&#215;10 &#8220;War Stories&#8221; (6 Dec 2002) 
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		<title>Whedon, Joss -- Firefly, 1&#215;01 &#8220;Serenity&#8221; (pilot) (20 Dec 2002)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SIMON: I&#8217;m trying to put this as delicately as I can. How do I know you won&#8217;t kill me in my sleep?<br />
MAL: You don&#8217;t know me, son, so let me explain this to you once: If I ever kill you, you&#8217;ll be awake, you&#8217;ll be facing me, and you&#8217;ll be armed.<br />
SIMON: Are you always this sentimental?<br />
MAL: I had a good day.</p>
<br><b>Joss Whedon</b> (b. 1964) American screenwriter, author, producer [Joseph Hill Whedon]<br><i>Firefly</i>, 1&#215;01 &#8220;Serenity&#8221; (pilot) (20 Dec 2002) 
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		<title>Camus, Albert -- &#8220;Reflections on the Guillotine&#8221; (1957)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Capital punishment is the most premeditated of murders, to which no criminal&#8217;s deed, however calculated, can be compared. For there to be an equivalency, the death penalty would have to punish a criminal who had warned his victim of the date on which he would inflict a horrible death on him and who, from that [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Capital punishment is the most premeditated of murders, to which no criminal&#8217;s deed, however calculated, can be compared. For there to be an equivalency, the death penalty would have to punish a criminal who had warned his victim of the date on which he would inflict a horrible death on him and who, from that moment onward, had confined him at his mercy for months. Such a monster is not to be encountered in private life.</p>
<br><b>Albert Camus</b> (1913-1960) Algerian-French novelist, essayist, playwright<br>&#8220;Reflections on the Guillotine&#8221; (1957) 
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;So?&#8221; Bob said. &#8220;Hat up, go kill her. Problem solved.&#8221; &#8220;Bob,&#8221; I said. &#8220;You can&#8217;t just go around killing people.&#8221; &#8220;I know. That&#8217;s why you should do it.&#8221; &#8220;No, no. I can&#8217;t go around killing people, either.&#8221;]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So?&#8221; Bob said. &#8220;Hat up, go kill her. Problem solved.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Bob,&#8221; I said. &#8220;You can&#8217;t just go around killing people.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;I know. That&#8217;s why you should do it.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;No, no. I can&#8217;t go around killing people, either.&#8221;</p>
<br><b>Jim Butcher</b> (b. 1971) American author<br><i>Grave Peril</i> (2001) 
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		<title>Stout, Rex -- Too Many Cooks, ch. 3 [Wolfe] (1938)</title>
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<br><b>Rex Stout</b> (1886-1975) American writer<br><i>Too Many Cooks</i>, ch. 3 [Wolfe] (1938) 
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		<title>Arendt, Hannah -- Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil, ch.  6 (1963)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What stuck in the minds of these men who had become murderers was simply the notion of being involved in something historic, grandiose, unique (&#8220;a great task that occurs once in two thousand years&#8221;), which must therefore be difficult to bear. This was important, because the murderers were not sadists or killers by nature; on the contrary, a systematic effort was made to weed out all those who derived physical pleasure from what they did. The troops of the <em>Einsatzgruppen </em>had been drafted from the Armed S.S., a military unit with hardly more crimes in its record than any ordinary unit of the German Army, and their commanders had been chosen by Heydrich from the S.S. élite with academic degrees. Hence the problem was how to overcome not so much their conscience as the animal pity by which all normal men are affected in the presence of physical suffering. The trick used by Himmler &#8212; who apparently was rather strongly afflicted by these instinctive reactions himself &#8212; was very simple and probably very effective; it consisted in turning these instincts around, as it were, in directing them toward the self. So that instead of saying: <em>What horrible things I did to people!</em>, the murderers would be able to say: <em>What horrible things I had to watch in the pursuance of my duties, how heavily the task weighed upon my shoulders!</em></p>
<br><b>Hannah Arendt</b> (1906-1975) German-American philosopher, political theorist<br><i>Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil</i>, ch.  6 (1963) 
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		<title>Adams, Scott -- Dilbert (11 Jan. 2001)</title>
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<br><b>Scott Adams</b> (b. 1957) American cartoonist<br><i>Dilbert</i> (11 Jan. 2001) 
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		<title>Heine, Heinrich -- Almansor: A Tragedy, l. 245 (1823)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wherever they burn books they will also, in the end, burn human beings. [Dort, wo man Bücher verbrennt, verbrennt man auch am Ende Menschen.] Alt trans: &#8220;Where they burn books, at the end they also burn people.&#8221; &#8220;Where they burn books, they will also burn people.&#8221; &#8220;It is there, where they burn books, that eventually [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wherever they burn books they will also, in the end, burn human beings.</p>
<p><em>[Dort, wo man Bücher verbrennt, verbrennt man auch am Ende Menschen.]</em></p>
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<br><b>Heinrich Heine</b> (1797-1856) German poet and critic<br><i>Almansor: A Tragedy</i>, l. 245 (1823) 
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						</p>Alt trans:
<ul>
	<li>"Where they burn books, at the end they also burn people."</li>
	<li>"Where they burn books, they will also burn people."</li>
	<li>"It is there, where they burn books, that eventually they burn people."</li>
	<li>"Where they burn books, so too will they in the end burn human beings."</li>
	<li>"Where they burn books, they also burn people."</li>
	<li>"Them that begin by burning books, end by burning men."</li>
	<li>"Wherever books are burned, sooner or later men are also burned."</li>
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		<title>Boorman, John -- Excalibur (1981) [with Rospo Pallenburg]</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MERLIN: When a man lies, he murders some part of the world.</p>
<br><b>John Boorman</b> (b. 1933) English film director, writer<br><i>Excalibur</i> (1981) [with Rospo Pallenburg] 
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		<title>Twain, Mark -- The Autobiography of Mark Twain, Vol. 1, 1864 (2010)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thoroughly disapprove of duels. I consider them unwise, and I know they are dangerous. Also, sinful. If a man should challenge me now, I would got to that man and take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet, retired spot, and kill him. Seen paraphrased: &#8220;I thoroughly disapprove [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thoroughly disapprove of duels. I consider them unwise, and I know they are dangerous. Also, sinful. If a man should challenge me now, I would got to that man and take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet, retired spot, and <i>kill</i> him.</p>
<br><b>Mark Twain</b> (1835-1910) American writer [pseud. of Samuel Clemens]<br><i>The Autobiography of Mark Twain</i>, Vol. 1, 1864 (2010) 
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Seen paraphrased: "I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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