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		<title>La Rochefoucauld, Francois -- Réflexions ou sentences et maximes morales [Reflections; or Sentences and Moral Maxims], ¶267 (1665-1678) [tr. Kronenberger (1959)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our readiness to think ill of people without sufficiently examining the matter is based on laziness and pride. We want to find people guilty, we don&#8217;t want the bother of studying their crimes. [La promptitude à croire le mal, sans l’avoir assez examiné, est un effet de l’orgueil et de la paresse: on veut trouver [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our readiness to think ill of people without sufficiently examining the matter is based on laziness and pride. We want to find people guilty, we don&#8217;t want the bother of studying their crimes.</p>
<p><em>[La promptitude à croire le mal, sans l’avoir assez examiné, est un effet de l’orgueil et de la paresse: on veut trouver des coupables, et on ne veut pas se donner la peine d’examiner les crimes.]</em></p>
<br><b>François VI, duc de La Rochefoucauld</b> (1613-1680) French epigrammatist, memoirist, noble<br><i>Réflexions ou sentences et maximes morales [Reflections; or Sentences and Moral Maxims]</i>, ¶267 (1665-1678) [tr. Kronenberger (1959)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/maximsoflarochef00laro/page/84/mode/2up?q=267" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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Present in the 1st Edition. <a href="https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/%C5%92uvres_de_La_Rochefoucauld_-_T.1/R%C3%A9flexions_ou_sentences_et_maximes_morales#cite_note-p141-444:~:text=Var.%C2%A0%3A%20un%20effet%20de%20la%20paresse%20et%20de%20l%E2%80%99orgueil.%20(1666%2C%201671%20et%201675.)">Variant</a>: <em>"... un effet de la paresse et de l'orguieil."</em> <br><br> 

Another <a href="https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/%C5%92uvres_de_La_Rochefoucauld_-_T.1/R%C3%A9flexions_ou_sentences_et_maximes_morales#cite_note-p141-444:~:text=La%20promptitude%20avec%20laquelle%20nous%20croyons%20le%20mal%2C%20sans%20l%E2%80%99avoir%20assez%20examin%C3%A9%2C%20est%20un%20effet%20de%20la%20paresse%20et%20de%20l%E2%80%99orgueil.%20(1665.)">1665 variant</a>: <br><br>

<blockquote>La promptitude avec laquelle nous croyons le mal, sans l’avoir assez examiné, est un effet de la paresse et de l’orgueil.<br>
&nbsp;<br>
[The readiness with which we believe evil, without having examined it sufficiently, is an effect of laziness and pride.]</blockquote><br>

<a href="https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/%C5%92uvres_de_La_Rochefoucauld_-_T.1/R%C3%A9flexions_ou_sentences_et_maximes_morales#cite_note-p141-444:~:text=est%20souvent%20un%20effet%20de%20paresse%2C%20qui%20se%20joint%20%C3%A0%20l%E2%80%99orgueil.%20(Manuscrit.)">Manuscript variant</a>: <em>"... est souvent un effet de paresse, qui se joint à l’orgueil</em> [... is often an effect of laziness, combined with pride]."<br><br>

(<a href="https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/%C5%92uvres_de_La_Rochefoucauld_-_T.1/R%C3%A9flexions_ou_sentences_et_maximes_morales#:~:text=La%20promptitude%20%C3%A0%20croire%20le%20mal%2C%20sans%20l%E2%80%99avoir%20assez%20examin%C3%A9%2C%20est%20un%20effet%20de%20l%E2%80%99orgueil%20et%20de%20la%20paresse%5B434%5D%C2%A0%3A%20on%20veut%20trouver%20des%20coupables%2C%20et%20on%20ne%20veut%20pas%20se%20donner%20la%20peine%20d%E2%80%99examiner%20les%20crimes%5B435%5D.">Source (French)</a>). Other translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>A readiness to believe Ill, before we have duly Examined it, is the Effect of Laziness and Pride. Men are pleased to find Others to Blame and loth to give Themselves the Trouble of Enquiring, how far, and whether they are so, or not.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A49601.0001.001/1:6.268?rgn=div2;view=fulltext">Stanhope</a> (1694), ¶268]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>A readiness to believe ill without examination is the effect of pride and laziness. We are willing to find people guilty, and unwilling to be at the trouble of examining into the accusation.<br>
[pub. <a href="https://archive.org/details/maximsandmoralr00rochgoog/page/n83/mode/2up?q=%22A+readinefs+to+believe%22">Donaldson</a> (1783), ¶245; ed. <a href="https://archive.org/details/maximsmoralrefle00larouoft/page/92/mode/2up">Lepoittevin-Lacroix</a> (1797), ¶250]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>A willingness to believe ill, without examination, is the effect of pride and idleness. We are ready to suppose guilt, but unwilling to be at the trouble of examining into the accusation.<br>
[ed. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044019833292&view=1up&seq=68&skin=2021&q1=accusation">Carvill</a> (1835), ¶214]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Readiness; to believe evil without sufficient examination is the result of pride and indolence. We wish to find people guilty, and we do not wish to give ourselves the trouble of examining into the crimes.<br>
[ed. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=nyp.33433075829600&view=1up&seq=129&skin=2021&q1=readiness">Gowens</a> (1851), ¶278]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>A quickness in believing evil without having sufficiently examined it, is the effect of pride and laziness. We wish to find the guilty, and we do not wish to trouble ourselves in examining the crime.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://gutenberg.org/files/9105/9105-h/9105-h.htm#:~:text=A%20quickness%20in%20believing%20evil%20without%20having%20sufficiently%20examined%20it%2C%20is%20the%20effect%20of%20pride%20and%20laziness.%20We%20wish%20to%20find%20the%20guilty%2C%20and%20we%20do%20not%20wish%20to%20trouble%20ourselves%20in%20examining%20the%20crime.">Bund/Friswell</a> (1871), ¶267] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>A ready belief of evil without examining the facts is a form of pride, or of indolence. We are anxious to ferret out criminals without taking the pains of examining their crimes.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Maxims_of_Le_Duc_de_La_Rochefoucauld/eq89AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22ready%20belief%22">Heard</a> (1917), ¶275]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Readiness to believe evil without adequate inquiry is the result of pride and indolence. We like detecting criminals, but we dislike the labor of investigating crimes.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Maxims_of_Fran%C3%A7ois_Duc_de_La_Rochef/MhZEAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22readiness%20to%20believe%22">Stevens</a> (1939), ¶267]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The promptitude with which we will believe evil of others, without an adequate examination of the facts, is an effect of pride working with laziness. We wish to find the guilty men, and cannot be be bothered to study the crime.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/maximsofducdelar0000laro/page/84/mode/2up?q=267">FitzGibbon</a> (1957), ¶267] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Readiness to believe the worst without adequate examination comes from pride and laziness; we want to find culprits but cannot be bothered to investigate the crimes. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/maxims0000laro/page/68/mode/2up?q=267">Tancock</a> (1959), ¶267]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>A readiness to believe evil without sufficient examination, it is an effect both of pride and of idleness. On the one hand, we desire to find other people guilty; and on the other, we do not wish to take the pains necessary to examine their crimes.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://thomaswhichello.com/a-translation-of-reflections-or-sentences-and-moral-maxims-by-francois-de-la-rochefoucauld/#:~:text=A%20readiness%20to%20believe%20evil%20without%20sufficient%20examination%2C%C2%A0it%20is%20an%20effect%20both%20of%20pride%20and%20of%20idleness.%20On%20the%20one%20hand%2C%20we%20desire%C2%A0to%20find%20other%20people%20guilty%3B%20and%20on%20the%20other%2C%20we%20do%20not%20wish%20to%20take%20the%20pains%20necessary%20to%C2%A0examine%20their%20crimes.">Whichello</a> (2016) ¶267]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Lebowitz, Fran -- Interview (2021-02-17), BBC Newsnight</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being offended is a natural consequence of leaving the house.</p>
<br><b>Fran Lebowitz</b> (b. 1950) American journalist, essayist<br>Interview (2021-02-17), BBC Newsnight 
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		<title>Franklin, Benjamin -- Poor Richard (1742 ed.)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[You will be careful, if you are wise; How you touch Men’s Religion, or Credit, or Eyes.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You will be careful, if you are wise;<br />
How you touch Men’s Religion, or Credit, or Eyes.</p>
<br><b>Benjamin Franklin</b> (1706-1790) American statesman, scientist, philosopher, aphorist<br><i>Poor Richard</i> (1742 ed.) 
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		<title>Shakespeare, William -- Tempest, Act 5, sc. 1, l.  32ff (5.1.32-36) (1611)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">PROSPERO: Though with their high wrongs I am struck to th’ quick,<br />
Yet with my nobler reason ’gainst my fury<br />
Do I take part. The rarer action is<br />
In virtue than in vengeance.</p>
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<br><b>William Shakespeare</b> (1564-1616) English dramatist and poet<br><i>Tempest,</i> Act 5, sc. 1, l.  32ff (5.1.32-36) (1611) 
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		<title>McLaughlin, Mignon -- The Neurotic&#8217;s Notebook, ch.  7 (1963)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Injure a businessman and he&#8217;ll try to make you sorry; injure an artist and he&#8217;ll try to make you immortal.</p>
<br><b>Mignon McLaughlin</b> (1913-1983) American journalist and author<br><i>The Neurotic&#8217;s Notebook</i>, ch.  7 (1963) 
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		<description><![CDATA[I always presume, because it helps me get up in the morning, that most people are people of goodwill and would like to restrain themselves from offending people if they knew what was offensive.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always presume, because it helps me get up in the morning, that most people are people of goodwill and would like to restrain themselves from offending people if they knew what was offensive.</p>
<br><b>Judith Martin</b> (b. 1938) American author, journalist, etiquette expert [a.k.a. Miss Manners]<br>Interview (1995-03-06) by Virginia Shea, &#8220;Miss Mannners&#8217; Guide to Excruciatingly Correct Internet Behavior,&#8221; <i>Computerworld</i>, Vol. 29, No. 10 
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		<description><![CDATA[Madame de Tencin said that intelligent people often erred in their conduct because they could never believe that the world in general is as stupid as it is. [Mme de Tencin disait que les gens d&#8217;esprit faisaient beaucoup de fautes en conduite, parce qu&#8217;ils ne croyaient jamais le monde assez bête, aussi bête qu&#8217;il l&#8217;est.] [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Madame de Tencin said that intelligent people often erred in their conduct because they could never believe that the world in general is as stupid as it is.</p>
<p><em>[Mme de Tencin disait que les gens d&#8217;esprit faisaient beaucoup de fautes en conduite, parce qu&#8217;ils ne croyaient jamais le monde assez bête, aussi bête qu&#8217;il l&#8217;est.]</em></p>
<br><b>Nicolas Chamfort</b> (1741-1794) French writer, epigrammist (b. Nicolas-Sébastien Roch)<br><i>Products of Perfected Civilization [Produits de la Civilisation Perfectionnée]</i>, Part 2 &#8220;Characters and Anecdotes <i>[Caractères et Anecdotes],&#8221;</i> ¶ 715 (1795) [tr. Merwin (1969)] 
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<blockquote>Mme de Tencin said that people with spirit make many mistakes in their actions because they never believe that society is brutish enough, as brutish as it is.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://frenchphilosophes.weebly.com/chamfort.html#:~:text=Mme%20de%20Tencin%20said%20that%20people%20with%20spirit%20make%20many%20mistakes%20in%20their%20actions%20because%20they%20never%20believe%20that%20society%20is%20brutish%20enough%2C%20as%20brutish%20as%20it%20is.">Siniscalchi</a> (1994)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Madame de Tencin said that many very clever people made social blunders because they could never believe that society was quite as stupid as it really was.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Chamfort/0K0aAQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22tencin%20said%22">Parmée</a> (2003), ¶382]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The great mistake made by intelligent people is to refuse to believe that the world is as stupid as it is.<br>
[<a href="https://www.forbes.com/quotes/6232/">Forbes</a>]</blockquote><br>
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		<title>Buck, Pearl S. -- To My Daughters, with Love, ch.  4 &#8220;First Meeting&#8221; (1967)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Praise out of season, or tactlessly bestowed, can freeze the heart as much as blame. To praise for the wrong possession or attribute can wound beyond amends.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Praise out of season, or tactlessly bestowed, can freeze the heart as much as blame. To praise for the wrong possession or attribute can wound beyond amends.</p>
<br><b>Pearl S. Buck</b> (1892-1973) American writer<br><i>To My Daughters, with Love</i>, ch.  4 &#8220;First Meeting&#8221; (1967) 
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		<title>Porter, Katherine Anne -- Ship of Fools, Part 3 [Freytag] (1962)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real sin against life is to abuse and destroy beauty, even one&#8217;s own &#8212; even more, one&#8217;s own, for that has been put in our care and we are responsible for its well-being.</p>
<br><b>Katherine Anne Porter</b> (1890-1980) American journalist, essayist, author, political activist [b. Callie Russell Porter]<br><i>Ship of Fools</i>, Part 3 [Freytag] (1962) 
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		<title>Maurois, Andre -- Conversation, &#8220;Sincerity&#8221; (1930)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sincerity must be used in moderation, even with our most intimate friends. To be too frank is to put into an opinion what may be simply ill temper; it is to risk losing a friend because of a poorly digested roast, a headache, a thunderstorm. </p>
<br><b>André Maurois</b> (1885-1967) French author [b. Émile Salomon Wilhelm Herzog]<br><i>Conversation</i>, &#8220;Sincerity&#8221; (1930) 
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		<title>Carlyle, Thomas -- Essay (1837-12-06), &#8220;On Sir Walter Scott,&#8221; The London and Westminster Review, No. 12/55, Art. 2  (1838-01)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[No man lives without jostling and being jostled; in all ways he has to elbow himself through the world, giving and receiving offense. Review of J. G. Lockhart, Memoirs of the Life of Sir Walter Scott, Baronet, 6 vols. (1837). Collected in Carlyle, Critical and Miscellaneous Essays (1827-1855).]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No man lives without jostling and being jostled; in all ways he has to <em>elbow</em> himself through the world, giving and receiving offense.</p>
<br><b>Thomas Carlyle</b> (1795-1881) Scottish essayist and historian<br>Essay (1837-12-06), &#8220;On Sir Walter Scott,&#8221; <i>The London and Westminster Review</i>, No. 12/55, Art. 2  (1838-01) 
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Review of J. G. Lockhart, <i>Memoirs of the Life of Sir Walter Scott, Baronet</i>, 6 vols. (1837). <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Critical_and_Miscellaneous_Essays/nu8YAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22without%20jostling%22">Collected</a> in Carlyle, <i>Critical and Miscellaneous Essays</i> (1827-1855).
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		<title>Euripides -- Auge [Αὐγῃ], frag. 267 (c. 408 BC) [tr. @sentantiq (2014)]</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sick state is ingenious at discovering crimes.</p>
<p>[δεινὴ πόλις νοσοῦσ’ ἀνευρίσκειν κακά.]</p>
<br><b>Euripides</b> (485?-406? BC) Greek tragic dramatist<br><i>Auge</i> [Αὐγῃ], frag. 267 (c. 408 BC) [tr. @sentantiq (2014)] 
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Nauck (TGF) fr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/tragicorumgraeco00naucuoft/page/438/mode/2up?q=%22%CE%92%CE%99%CE%BF%5C%29.+%CE%A11%CE%BF%CE%B9%E2%80%A2.+43%2C+12%22">267</a>.						</span>
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		<title>Austen, Jane -- Sense and Sensibility, ch. 17 [Edward] (1811)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I never wish to offend, but I am so foolishly shy, that I often seem negligent, when I am only kept back by my natural awkwardness.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never wish to offend, but I am so foolishly shy, that I often seem negligent, when I am only kept back by my natural awkwardness.</p>
<br><b>Jane Austen</b> (1775-1817) English author<br><i>Sense and Sensibility</i>, ch. 17 [Edward] (1811) 
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		<title>Fry, Stephen -- &#8220;Trefusis on Any Questions,&#8221; Loose Ends, BBC Radio 4 (c. 1987)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[These poor afflicted creatures spend their time with an ear against the speaker counting occurrences of the word bugger. If I had a large amount of money I should certainly found a hospital for those whose grip upon the world is so tenuous that they can be severely offended by words and phrases and yet [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These poor afflicted creatures spend their time with an ear against the speaker counting occurrences of the word <i>bugger</i>. If I had a large amount of money I should certainly found a hospital for those whose grip upon the world is so tenuous that they can be severely offended by words and phrases and yet remain all unoffended by the injustice, violence and oppression that howls daily about our ears.</p>
<br><b>Stephen Fry</b> (b. 1957)  British actor, writer, comedian<br>&#8220;Trefusis on <i>Any Questions</i>,&#8221; <i>Loose Ends</i>, BBC Radio 4 (c. 1987) 
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Reprinted in <i>Paperweight</i> (1992).						</span>
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		<title>Franklin, Benjamin -- &#8220;Apology for Printers,&#8221; Philadelphia Gazette (1731-06-10)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[That hence arises the peculiar Unhappiness of that Business, which other Callings are no way liable to; they who follow Printing being scarce able to do any thing in their way of getting a Living, which shall not probably give Offence to some, and perhaps to many; whereas the Smith, the Shoemaker, the Carpenter, or [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That hence arises the peculiar Unhappiness of that Business, which other Callings are no way liable to; they who follow Printing being scarce able to do any thing in their way of getting a Living, which shall not probably give Offence to some, and perhaps to many; whereas the Smith, the Shoemaker, the Carpenter, or the Man of any other Trade, may work indifferently for People of all Persuasions, without offending any of them: and the Merchant may buy and sell with Jews, Turks, Hereticks, and Infidels of all sorts, and get Money by every one of them, without giving Offence to the most orthodox, of any sort; or suffering the least Censure or Ill-will on the Account from any Man whatever.</p>
<br><b>Benjamin Franklin</b> (1706-1790) American statesman, scientist, philosopher, aphorist<br>&#8220;Apology for Printers,&#8221; <i>Philadelphia Gazette</i> (1731-06-10) 
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		<title>Franklin, Benjamin -- &#8220;Apology for Printers,&#8221; Philadelphia Gazette (1731-06-10)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[If all Printers were determin’d not to print any thing till they were sure it would offend no body, there would be very little printed.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If all Printers were determin’d not to print any thing till they were sure it would offend no body, there would be very little printed.</p>
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<br><b>Benjamin Franklin</b> (1706-1790) American statesman, scientist, philosopher, aphorist<br>&#8220;Apology for Printers,&#8221; <i>Philadelphia Gazette</i> (1731-06-10) 
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		<title>Russell, Bertrand -- Essay (1933-02-01) &#8220;On Tact,&#8221; New York American</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the gist of the matter is that a saint can live without politeness, and indeed that politeness is incompatible with a saintly character. But the man who is always to be sincere must be free from spite and envy and malice and pettiness. Most of us have a dose of these vices in [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the gist of the matter is that a saint can live without politeness, and indeed that politeness is incompatible with a saintly character. But the man who is always to be sincere must be free from spite and envy and malice and pettiness. Most of us have a dose of these vices in our composition and therefore have to excerise tact to avoid giving offence. We cannot all be saints, and if saintliness is impossible, we may at least try not to be too disagreeable.</p>
<br><b>Bertrand Russell</b> (1872-1970) English mathematician and philosopher<br>Essay (1933-02-01) &#8220;On Tact,&#8221; <i>New York American</i> 
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		<title>Dante Alighieri -- The Divine Comedy [Divina Commedia], Book 1 &#8220;Inferno,&#8221; Canto 11, l. 106ff (11.106-111) [Virgil] (1309) [tr. Sayers (1949)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[By Art and Nature, if thou well recall How Genesis begins, man ought to get His bread, and make prosperity for all. But the usurer contrives a third way yet, And in herself and in her follower, Art, Scorns Nature, for his hope is elsewhere set. [Da queste due, se tu ti rechi a mente [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By Art and Nature, if thou well recall<br />
<span class="tab">How Genesis begins, man ought to get<br />
<span class="tab">His bread, and make prosperity for all.<br />
But the usurer contrives a third way yet,<br />
<span class="tab">And in herself and in her follower, Art,<br />
<span class="tab">Scorns Nature, for his hope is elsewhere set.</p>
<p><em>[Da queste due, se tu ti rechi a mente<br />
<span class="tab">lo Genesì dal principio, convene<br />
<span class="tab">prender sua vita e avanzar la gente;<br />
e perché l’usuriere altra via tene,<br />
<span class="tab">per sé natura e per la sua seguace<br />
<span class="tab">dispregia, poi ch’in altro pon la spene.]</span></span></span></span></em></span></span></span></span></p>
<br><b>Dante Alighieri</b> (1265-1321) Italian poet<br><i>The Divine Comedy [Divina Commedia]</i>, Book 1 <i>&#8220;Inferno,&#8221;</i> Canto 11, l. 106ff (11.106-111) [Virgil] (1309) [tr. Sayers (1949)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/portabledante00dant/page/60/mode/2up?q=%22by+these+two%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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In Genesis (Gen. <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+2%3A15&version=NRSVUE">2:15</a>, <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+3%3A17-19&version=NRSVUE">3:17-19</a>), God ordains humanity is to survive gathering plants and resources (Nature) and through toil and "the sweat of his face" (Art or Industry) . Usurers are deemed evil because they gain wealth from interest on money-lending (or, by extension, any financial investments), producing money from money, not from productive work. They are considered in Dante's scheme as bad as blasphemers and perverts, and worse sinners than murderers or suicides. See commentary from <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedy00peng/page/140/mode/2up?q=%22usury+as+a+crime%22">Sayers</a> and <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedyofda0001dant_u1l7/page/182/mode/2up?q=%22110-11.%22">Durling</a>.<br><br>

(<a href="https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Divina_Commedia/Inferno/Canto_XI#:~:text=Da%20queste%20due,pon%20la%20spene.">Source (Italian)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab">And if you recollect <br>
Your Genesis, you'll know that from these two<br>
Mankind should Life, Tillage the Earth receive.<br>
But, because Us'ry takes another way,<br>
Despising Nature and your daughter Art,<br>
It God displeases, and incurs his wrath.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Inferno_of_Dante_Translated/1ARcAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22and%20if%20you%20recollect%22">Rogers</a> (1782), l. 101ff]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But from her hallow'd path the Miser strays,<br>
<span class="tab">Who lets pale A'rice warp his sordid ways,<br>
<span class="tab">Invet'rate foe to Nature's simple lore,<br>
Beneath his influence grows the barren gold.<br>
<span class="tab">He speaks, and lo! the parent sums unfold<br>
<span class="tab">In monstrous births, a misbegotten store.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinacommediaof01dantuoft/page/186/mode/2up?q=%22But+from+her+hallowM%22">Boyd</a> (1802), st. 16] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">These two, if thou recall to mind<br>
Creation’s holy book, from the beginning<br>
Were the right source of life and excellence<br>
To human kind. But in another path<br>
The usurer walks; and Nature in herself<br>
And in her follower thus he sets at nought,<br>
Placing elsewhere his hope.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/8789/8789-h/8789-h.htm#cantoI.11:~:text=These%20two%2C%20if%20thou%20recall%20to%20mind%0ACreation%E2%80%99s%20holy%20book%2C%20from%20the%20beginning%0AWere%20the%20right%20source%20of%20life%20and%20excellence%0ATo%20human%20kind.%20But%20in%20another%20path%0AThe%20usurer%20walks%3B%20and%20Nature%20in%20herself%0AAnd%20in%20her%20follower%20thus%20he%20sets%20at%20nought%2C%0APlacing%20elsewhere%20his%20hope.">Cary</a> (1814)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Both these to man, if thou refresh thy mind <br>
<span class="tab">In Genesis' early writ, the Word ordains <br>
<span class="tab">His life to foster, and advance his kind.<br>
But other way takes Usance to his gains, <br>
<span class="tab">And, choosing other hope, a scornful war <br>
<span class="tab">With Nature and her handmaid Art maintains.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/infernodanteali02daymgoog/page/n78/mode/2up?q=%22Both+these+to+man%22">Dayman</a> (1843)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">By these two, if you recallest to thy memory Genesis at the beginning, it behoves man to gain his bread and [to prosper].<br>
<span class="tab">And because the usurer takes another way, he contemns Nature in herself and in her follower, placing elsewhere his hope.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Inferno/WqpEAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22By%20these%20two%22">Carlyle</a> (1849)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>From these two, if right considered in the mind,<br>
<span class="tab">From first of Genesis the truth receive,<br>
<span class="tab">Life and advancement to the nations gave.<br>
But usury has ta'en another way,<br>
<span class="tab">Despising nature and her handmaid Art,<br>
<span class="tab">Far other hopes his light of life impart.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/comedyofdanteal00dant/page/48/mode/2up?q=%22From+these+two%22">Bannerman</a> (1850)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>From these two, then, if thou in mem'ry hold'st<br>
<span class="tab">The earlier Genesis, it is decreed<br>
<span class="tab">That life must spring, and man's increase must come.<br>
But then the usurer treads another path;<br>
<span class="tab">Nature and her attendant both he scorns,<br>
<span class="tab">Since in another means he places hope.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Translation_of_Dante_s_Inferno/dzvcz2MMLLMC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22from%20these%20two%22">Johnston</a> (1867)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>From these two, if thou bringest to thy mind<br>
⁠<span class="tab">Genesis at the beginning, it behoves<br>
<span class="tab">⁠Mankind to gain their life and to advance;<br>
And since the usurer takes another way,<br>
<span class="tab">⁠Nature herself and in her follower ⁠<br>
<span class="tab">⁠Disdains he, for elsewhere he puts his hope.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Divine_Comedy_(Longfellow_1867)/Volume_1/Canto_11#:~:text=From%20these%20two,puts%20his%20hope.">Longfellow</a> (1867)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>From these two, if thou bring to thy mind Genesis, towards the beginning, it behoves folk to take their life, and to prosper. And because the usurer holds another course, he despises Nature both for herself and for her follower; because he places his hope in another thing.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/dli.granth.92729/page/130/mode/2up?q=%22From+these+two%2C+if+thou+bring+to+thy+mind+Genesis%2C%22">Butler</a> (1885)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>From Art and Nature, if thou bring'st to mind<br>
<span class="tab">The verse of Genesis, 'tis doomed alone<br>
<span class="tab">That man should live and carry on his kind. <br>
And since to usurers other ways are known,<br>
<span class="tab">Both Nature and her follower stand confest<br>
<span class="tab">Outraged by those whose trust is elsewhere shown.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedyofda00dantrich/page/42/mode/2up?q=%22From+Art+and+Nature%22">Minchin</a> (1885)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>By means of these two, if thou bringest to mind Genesis at its beginning, it behoves mankind to obtain their livelihood and to thrive. But because the usurer takes another course, he despises Nature in herself, and in her follower, since upon other thing he sets his hope.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1995/1995-h/1995-h.htm#cantoI.XI:~:text=By%20means%20of%20these%20two%2C%20if%20thou%20bringest%20to%20mind%20Genesis%20at%20its%20beginning%2C%20it%20behoves%20mankind%20to%20obtain%20their%20livelihood%20and%20to%20thrive.%20But%20because%20the%20usurer%20takes%20another%20course%2C%20he%20despises%20Nature%20in%20herself%2C%20and%20in%20her%20follower%2C%20since%20upon%20other%20thing%20he%20sets%20his%20hope.">Norton</a> (1892)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>By these two, if thou recallest to thy mind an early page in Genesis, doth it behove mankind to win their means of life, and to excel. And for that the usurer goeth another way, he slighteth nature both in herself and follower, putting his trust elsewhere.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/comedydantealig00sullgoog/page/n70/mode/2up?q=%22By+these+two%22">Sullivan</a> (1893)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>From these two, if thou bring' st to recollection <br>
<span class="tab">Genesis at its opening, it must needs be<br>
<span class="tab">That folk do take their living and make progress.<br>
And, since the usurer keeps another pathway, <br>
<span class="tab">Nature, both for herself and for her daughter, <br>
<span class="tab">Contemns he, since his hope elsewhere he places.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/infernodanteali00grifgoog/page/n84/mode/2up?q=%22From+these+two%22">Griffith</a> (1908)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>By these two, if thou recall to mind <i>Genesis</i> near the beginning, it behoves mankind to gain their livelihood and their advancement, and because the usurer takes another way he despises nature both in herself and in her follower, setting his hope elsewhere.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Divine_Comedy_of_Dante_Alighieri/c8ZKnRirTNUC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22by%20these%20two%22">Sinclair</a> (1939)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>By these two, if thy memory Genesis<br>
<span class="tab">Recalls, and its beginning, man hath need<br>
<span class="tab">To gain his bread and foster earthly bliss.<br>
But the usurer, since he will not thus proceed,<br>
<span class="tab">Flouts Nature's follower and herself also,<br>
<span class="tab">Setting his wealth another way to breed.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/portabledante00dant/page/60/mode/2up?q=%22by+these+two%22">Binyon</a> (1943)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>By this, recalling the Old Testament<br>
<span class="tab">near the beginning of Genesis, you will see<br>
<span class="tab">that in the will of Providence, man was meant<br>
to labor and to prosper. But usurers,<br>
<span class="tab">by seeking their increase in other ways,<br>
<span class="tab">scorn Nature in herself and her followers.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/infernoverserend00dantrich/page/106/mode/2up?q=%22recalling+the+old+testament%22">Ciardi</a> (1954)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>By these two, if you remember Genesis at the beginning, it behooves man to gain his bread and to prosper. But because the usurer takes another way, he contemns Nature in herself and in her follower, for he puts his hope elsewhere.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/inferno0000dant/page/n127/mode/2up?q=%22by+these+two%22">Singleton</a> (1970)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>From Art and Nature man was meant to take<br>
<span class="tab">his daily bread to live -- if you recall<br>
<span class="tab">the book of Genesis near the beginning;<br>
but the usurer, adopting another means,<br>
<span class="tab">scorns Nature in herself and in her pupil,<br>
<span class="tab">Art -- he invests his hope in something else.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/dantesinferno00dant/page/92/mode/2up?q=%22from+art+and+nature%22">Musa</a> (1971)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>From these two, art and nature, it is fitting,<br>
<span class="tab">if you recall how <i>Genesis</i> begins,<br>
<span class="tab">for men to make their way, to gain their living;<br>
and since the usurer prefers another<br>
<span class="tab">pathway, he scorns both nature in herself<br>
<span class="tab">and art, her follower; his hope is elsewhere.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/lccn_83048678/page/98/mode/2up?q=%22from+these+two%22">Mandelbaum</a> (1980)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>From these two, if you recall to mind<br>
<span class="tab">The beginning of Genesis, it is proper for man<br>
<span class="tab">To win his bread and to advance his race:<br>
And because the usurer takes another way,<br>
<span class="tab">Treating nature and what follows from her<br>
<span class="tab">Contemptuously, he puts his hopes elsewhere.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedy0000dant/page/92/mode/2up?q=%22from+these+two%22">Sisson</a> (1981)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">By these two, man should thrive and gain his bread --<br>
If you remember Genesis -- from the start<br>
<span class="tab">But since the usurer takes a different way,<br>
<span class="tab">He contemns Nature both in her own sort<br>
And in her follower as well, while he<br>
<span class="tab">Chooses to invest his hope another place.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/infernoofdantene00dant/page/90/mode/2up?q=%22by+these+two%22">Pinsky</a> (1994)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>From these two, if you bring to mind the beginning of Genesis, we must draw our life and advance our people.
and because the usurer holds another way, he scorns Nature in herself and in her follower, since he puts his hope in something else.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedyofda0001dant_u1l7/page/174/mode/2up?q=%22from+these+two%22">Durling</a> (1996)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">By these two, art and nature, man must earn his bread and flourish, if you recall to mind Genesis, near its beginning.<br>
<span class="tab">Because the usurer holds to another course, he denies Nature, in herself, and in that which follows her ways, putting his hopes elsewhere.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Italian/DantInf8to14.php#anchor_Toc64091780:~:text=By%20these%20two,his%20hopes%20elsewhere.">Kline</a> (2002)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>From these two principles -- if you recall<br>
<span class="tab">the opening lines of Genesis -- we're bound to draw<br>
<span class="tab">our living strength and multiply our people.<br>
But usurers adopt a different course.<br>
<span class="tab">They place their hopes in other things, and thus<br>
<span class="tab">make mock of Nature's self and her close kin.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedy0000dant_l7y1/page/50/mode/2up?q=%22for+these+two%22">Kirkpatrick</a> (2006)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>By toil and nature, if you remember Genesis,<br>
<span class="tab">near the beginning, it is man's lot<br>
<span class="tab">to earn his bread and prosper.<br>
The usurer, who takes another path,<br>
<span class="tab">scorns nature in herself and in her follower,<br>
<span class="tab">and elsewhere sets his hopes.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://dante.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/dante/campuscgi/mpb/GetCantoSection.pl?LANG=2&INP_POEM=Inf&INP_SECT=11&INP_START=106&INP_LEN=6">Hollander/Hollander</a> (2007)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Nature and human labor -- as Genesis teaches<br>
<span class="tab">In its very first pages -- combine to let man live<br>
<span class="tab">And thereby take his people forward. But those leeches<br>
Who practice usury abandon the given<br>
<span class="tab">Path for another, despising Nature's way<br>
<span class="tab">And her honest pupils: gold, not God, is their living.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Divine_Comedy/WZyBj-s9PfsC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22nature%20and%20human%20labor%22">Raffel</a> (2010)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>By this twin element<br>
Of nature's force and human effort -- see<br>
The book of Genesis, near the beginning, where<br>
Men are enjoined to earn their bread by sweat -- <br>
Humanity needs must accept its share<br>
Of effort to advance. The trade in debt<br>
Ignores that pact. His course set otherwise<br>
The usurer holds nature in contempt<br>
Both in herself and in her human guise,<br>
Simply by how he holds himself exempt<br>
And sets his hopes elsewhere.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/inferno0000dant_y2l4/page/60/mode/2up?q=%22by+this+twin+element%22">James</a> (2013), l. 112ff]</blockquote><br>
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		<title>Twain, Mark -- Story (1899-12), &#8220;The Man That Corrupted Hadleyburg,&#8221; ch. 4, Harper&#8217;s Monthly, Vol. 100, No. 595</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A sin takes on new and real terrors when there seems a chance that it is going to be found out. This gives it a fresh and most substantial and important aspect. (Source (Alternate)). First collected in The Man That Corrupted Hadleyburg and Other Stories and Essays (1900).]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A sin takes on new and real terrors when there seems a chance that it is going to be found out. This gives it a fresh and most substantial and important aspect.</p>
<br><b>Mark Twain</b> (1835-1910) American writer [pseud. of Samuel Clemens]<br>Story (1899-12), &#8220;The Man That Corrupted Hadleyburg,&#8221; ch. 4, <i>Harper&#8217;s Monthly</i>, Vol. 100, No. 595 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=cub.u183015717125&seq=65&q1=%22real+terrors%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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(<a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Man_that_Corrupted_Hadleyburg/Chapter_IV#:~:text=a%20sin%20takes%20on%20new%20and%20real%20terrors%20when%20there%20seems%20a%20chance%20that%20it%20is%20going%20to%20be%20found%20out.%20This%20gives%20it%20a%20fresh%20and%20most%20substantial%20and%20important%20aspect.">Source (Alternate)</a>). First <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Man_who_Corrupted_Hadleyburg_and_Oth/v65a9DVk3vkC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22real%20terrors%22">collected</a> in <i>The Man That Corrupted Hadleyburg and Other Stories and Essays</i> (1900). 


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		<title>Franklin, Benjamin -- Poor Richard (1747 ed.)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Write Injuries in Dust, Benefits in Marble. As with so much else of Franklin&#8217;s, this phrase is not without earlier forms, e.g.: Thomas More, History of King Richard III (1513): For men use, if they have an evil turn, to write it in marble; and whosoever does us a good turn, we write it in [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Write Injuries in Dust, Benefits in Marble.</p>
<br><b>Benjamin Franklin</b> (1706-1790) American statesman, scientist, philosopher, aphorist<br><i>Poor Richard</i> (1747 ed.) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Franklin/01-03-02-0045#:~:text=Write%20Injuries%20in%20Dust%2C%20Benefits%20in%20Marble." target="_blank">Source</a>)
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As with so much else of Franklin's, this phrase is not without earlier forms, e.g.: <a href="http://medieval.ucdavis.edu/YORK.DURHAM/Richard.III.html#:~:text=For%20men%20use%2C%20if%20they%20have%20an%20evil%20turn%2C%20to%20write%20it%20in%20marble%3B%20and%20whosoever%20does%20us%20a%20good%20turn%2C%20we%20write%20it%20in%20dust%2C">Thomas More</a>, <i>History of King Richard III</i> (1513):<br><br>

<blockquote>For men use, if they have an evil turn, to write it in marble; and whosoever does us a good turn, we write it in dust.</blockquote><br>

Or see <a href="https://shakespeare.folger.edu/shakespeares-works/henry-viii/entire-play/#:~:text=Men%E2%80%99s%20evil%20manners%20live%20in%20brass%3B%20their%20virtues%0A%C2%A0We%20write%20in%20water.">Shakespeare</a>, <i>Henry VIII</i> 4.2.45-46 (1613):<br><br>

<blockquote>Men's evil manners live in brass, their virtues<br>
We write in water.</blockquote><br>

Variants include "but kindnesses in marble" or "but kindness in marble."<br><br>

This also shows up as a <a href="https://www.proverbes-francais.fr/citations-injure/#:~:text=%C3%89crivez%20les%20injures%20sur%20le%20sable%2C%20gravez%20les%20bienfaits%20sur%20le%20marbre.">French saying</a> in various forms: <br><br>

<ul>
	<li><em>"Ecrivez les injures sur le sable, mais les bienfaits sur le marbre."</em></li>
	<li><em>"Écrivez les injures sur le sable, gravez les bienfaits sur le marbre."</em></li>
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		<title>Rothfuss, Patrick -- The Name of the Wind, ch.  1 (2007)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A tinker’s debt is always paid: Once for any simple trade. Twice for freely given aid. Thrice for any insult made.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>A tinker’s debt is always paid:<br />
Once for any simple trade.<br />
Twice for freely given aid.<br />
Thrice for any insult made.</em></p>
<br><b>Patrick Rothfuss</b> (b. 1973) American author<br><i>The Name of the Wind</i>, ch.  1 (2007) 
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		<title>Serling, Rod -- Comment (1957), in Anne Serling, As I Knew Him: My Dad, Rod Serling (2013)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wish they’d let us write about the Little Rock situation. Funny, there were about seven or eight dramatic treatments of the Hungarian uprising but the spectacle of adult whites taunting a couple of defenseless little Negro girls is considered controversial. Wrong? That’s not controversy. If anybody takes the pro side in that particular battle, they’d [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wish they’d let us write about the Little Rock situation. Funny, there were about seven or eight dramatic treatments of the Hungarian uprising but the spectacle of adult whites taunting a couple of defenseless little Negro girls is considered controversial. Wrong? That’s not controversy. If anybody takes the pro side in that particular battle, they’d better change flags.</p>
<br><b>Rod Serling</b> (1924-1975) American screenwriter, playwright, television producer, narrator <br>Comment (1957), in Anne Serling, <i>As I Knew Him: My Dad, Rod Serling</i> (2013) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/As_I_Knew_Him/TxIfAwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=serling+write+about+the+Little+Rock+situation&pg=PA96&printsec=frontcover" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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Serling frequently complained of TV commercial sponsors (and the networks that depended on them) refusing to allow any TV dramas that might offend viewers, especially Southerners -- in this instance, referring to the controversy over <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Rock_Nine">Arkansas school integration</a>.						</span>
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		<title>Holland, Barbara -- Endangered Pleasures, &#8220;Wearing Fur&#8221;(1995)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course, there are those who don&#8217;t eat lamb chops, for moral reasons. There are also those who rise before daybreak and leap into a cold shower in February; those hwo disapprove of idleness, gin rummy, slang, dancing, unauthorized sex, naps, socialism, and Jacuzzis for moral reasons. They enjoy it; moral indignation is a pleasure, [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, there are those who don&#8217;t eat lamb chops, for moral reasons. There are also those who rise before daybreak and leap into a cold shower in February; those hwo disapprove of idleness, gin rummy, slang, dancing, unauthorized sex, naps, socialism, and Jacuzzis for moral reasons. They enjoy it; moral indignation is a pleasure, often the only pleasure, in many lives. It&#8217;s also one of the few pleasures people feel obliged to force on other people.</p>
<br><b>Barbara Holland</b> (1933-2010) American author<br><i>Endangered Pleasures</i>, &#8220;Wearing Fur&#8221;(1995) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/endangeredpleasu00unse/page/132/mode/2up?q=%22moral+indignation%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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		<title>Shakespeare, William -- Pericles, Act 1, sc. 1, l.  95 (1.1.95) (1607) [with George Wilkins]</title>
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<br><b>William Shakespeare</b> (1564-1616) English dramatist and poet<br><i>Pericles</i>, Act 1, sc. 1, l.  95 (1.1.95) (1607) [with George Wilkins] 
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		<title>Richardson, James -- &#8220;Vectors: 56 Aphorisms and Ten-second Essays,&#8221; Michigan Quarterly Review, # 3 (Spring 1999)</title>
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<br><b>James Richardson</b> (b. 1950) American poet<br>&#8220;Vectors: 56 Aphorisms and Ten-second Essays,&#8221; Michigan Quarterly Review, # 3 (Spring 1999) 
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		<title>Fry, Stephen -- &#8220;Trefusis Blasphemes,&#8221; Loose Ends, BBC Radio 4 (1986)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8216;But people, the ordinary faithful, are offended by crude comic blasphemies,&#8217; voices are raised to tell me. Yes indeed. But what of my religion? I am a lover of truth, a worshipper of freedom, a celebrant at the altar of language and purity and tolerance. That is my religion, and every day I am sorely, [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;But people, the ordinary faithful, are offended by crude comic blasphemies,&#8217; voices are raised to tell me. Yes indeed. But what of my religion? I am a lover of truth, a worshipper of freedom, a celebrant at the altar of language and purity and tolerance. That is my religion, and every day I am sorely, grossly, heinously and deeply offended, wounded, mortified and injured by a thousand different blasphemies against it. When the fundamental canons of truth, honesty, compassion and decency are hourly assaulted by fatuous bishops, pompous, illiberal and ignorant priests, politicians and prelates, sanctimonious censors, self-appointed moralists and busy-bodies, what recourse of ancient laws have I? None whatever. Nor would I ask for any. For unlike these blistering imbeciles my belief in my religion is strong and I know that lies will always fail and indecency and intolerance will always perish.</p>
<br><b>Stephen Fry</b> (b. 1957)  British actor, writer, comedian<br>&#8220;Trefusis Blasphemes,&#8221; <i>Loose Ends</i>, BBC Radio 4 (1986) 
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Reprinted in <i>Paperweight</i> (1992).						</span>
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		<title>Bradbury, Ray -- Fahrenheit 451, “Coda” Afterword (1979 ed.)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is more than one way to burn a book. And the world is full of people running about with lit matches. Every minority, be it Baptist/Unitarian, Irish/Italian/Octogenarian/Zen Buddhist, Zionist/Seventh-day Adventist, Women&#8217;s Lib/Republican, Mattachine/Four Square Gospel feels it has the will, the right, the duty to douse the kerosene, light the fuse. Every dimwit editor [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is more than one way to burn a book. And the world is full of people running about with lit matches. Every minority, be it Baptist/Unitarian, Irish/Italian/Octogenarian/Zen Buddhist, Zionist/Seventh-day Adventist, Women&#8217;s Lib/Republican, Mattachine/Four Square Gospel feels it has the will, the right, the duty to douse the kerosene, light the fuse. Every dimwit editor who sees himself as the source of all dreary blanc-mange plain-porridge unleavened literature licks his guillotine and eyes the neck of any author who dares to speak above a whisper or write above a nursery rhyme.</p>
<br><b>Ray Bradbury</b> (1920-2012) American writer, futurist, fabulist<br><i>Fahrenheit 451</i>, “Coda” Afterword (1979 ed.) 
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Bradbury wrote the coda to his dystopian 1953 novel about censorship when he found out that "offensive" phrases had been deleted from high school editions of the book. 						</span>
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		<title>Carlin, George -- Show (1988-08-15), What Am I Doing in New Jersey?, Park Performing Arts Center, Union City, New Jersey (HBO)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A Reverend Donald Wildmon in Mississippi heard something on the radio that he didn&#8217;t like. Well, Reverend, did anyone ever tell you there are two knobs on the radio? Two. Knobs. On the radio. Of course, I&#8217;m sure the reverend isn&#8217;t that comfortable with anything that has two knobs on it. But hey, Reverend, there [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="tab">A Reverend Donald Wildmon in Mississippi heard something on the radio that he didn&#8217;t like. Well, Reverend, did anyone ever tell you there are two <em>knobs</em> on the radio? Two. Knobs. On the radio.<br />
<span class="tab">Of course, I&#8217;m sure the reverend isn&#8217;t that comfortable with anything that has two knobs on it.<br />
<span class="tab">But hey, Reverend, there are two knobs on the radio! One of them turns the radio <em>off,</em> and the other one <em>changes the station!</em> Imagine that, Reverend, you can actually change the station! It&#8217;s called freedom of choice, and it&#8217;s one of the principles this country was founded upon.<br />
<span class="tab">Look it up in the library, Reverend, if you have any of them left when you&#8217;ve finished burning all the books.</span></span></span></span></p>
<br><b>George Carlin</b> (1937-2008) American comedian<br>Show (1988-08-15), <i>What Am I Doing in New Jersey?</i>, Park Performing Arts Center, Union City, New Jersey (HBO) 
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		<title>Rushdie, Salman -- &#8220;Do we have to fight the battle for the Enlightenment all over again?&#8221; The Independent (22 Jan 2005)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#8217;s no trick to support the free speech of somebody you agree with or to whose opinion you are indifferent. The defense of free speech begins at the point when people say something you can&#8217;t stand. If you can&#8217;t defend their right to say it, then you don&#8217;t believe in free speech.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s no trick to support the free speech of somebody you agree with or to whose opinion you are indifferent. The defense of free speech begins at the point when people say something you can&#8217;t stand. If you can&#8217;t defend their right to say it, then you don&#8217;t believe in free speech.</p>
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<br><b>Salman Rushdie</b> (b. 1947) Indian novelist<br>&#8220;Do we have to fight the battle for the Enlightenment all over again?&#8221; <i>The Independent</i> (22 Jan 2005) 
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		<title>Kennedy, Florynce -- (Attributed)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sure, there are differences in degree, but we&#8217;ve got to stop comparing wounds and go out after the system that does the wounding. Quoted in Gloria Steinem, &#8220;The Verbal Karate of Florynce R. Kennedy, Esq.,&#8221; Ms. (Mar 1973).]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, there are differences in degree, but we&#8217;ve got to stop comparing wounds and go out after the system that does the wounding.</p>
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<br><b>Florynce "Flo" Kennedy</b> (1916-2000) American lawyer, feminist, civil rights activist<br>(Attributed) 
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Quoted in Gloria Steinem, "The Verbal Karate of Florynce R. Kennedy, Esq.," Ms. (Mar 1973).						</span>
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		<title>Repplier, Agnes -- &#8220;A Question of Politeness,&#8221; Americans and Others  (1912)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[For to be civilized is to be incapable of giving unnecessary offense, it is to have some quality of consideration for all who cross our path.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For to be civilized is to be incapable of giving unnecessary offense, it is to have some quality of consideration for all who cross our path.</p>
<br><b>Agnes Repplier</b> (1855-1950) American writer<br>&#8220;A Question of Politeness,&#8221; <i>Americans and Others</i>  (1912) 
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		<title>Gervais, Ricky -- Tweet (12 Oct 2013)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just because you&#8217;re offended, doesn&#8217;t mean you&#8217;re right.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because you&#8217;re offended, doesn&#8217;t mean you&#8217;re right.</p>
<br><b>Ricky Gervais</b> (b. 1961) English comedian, actor, director, writer<br>Tweet (12 Oct 2013) 
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		<title>Gervais, Ricky -- Twitter (23 Sep 2012)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you are threatened or offended by people disagreeing, challenging or even ridiculing your faith, your faith can&#8217;t be that strong.]]></description>
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<br><b>Ricky Gervais</b> (b. 1961) English comedian, actor, director, writer<br>Twitter (23 Sep 2012) 
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		<title>Howard, Robert E. -- &#8220;The Tower of the Elephant&#8221; (1933)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.</p>
<br><b>Robert E. Howard</b> (1906-1936) American author<br>&#8220;The Tower of the Elephant&#8221; (1933) 
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		<title>Sterne, Laurence -- Tristam Shandy, Book 1, ch. 12 (1760-1767)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[For every ten jokes, thou hast got a hundred enemies.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For every ten jokes, thou hast got a hundred enemies.</p>
<br><b>Laurence Sterne</b> (1713-1786) Anglo-Irish novelist, Anglican clergyman<br><i>Tristam Shandy</i>, Book 1, ch. 12 (1760-1767) 
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		<title>Lincoln, Abraham -- Speech (1858-10-13), Lincoln-Douglas Debate No. 6,  Quincy, Illinois</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[It really hurts me very much to suppose that I have wronged anybody on earth.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It really hurts me very much to suppose that I have wronged anybody on earth.</p>
<br><b>Abraham Lincoln</b> (1809-1865) American lawyer, politician, US President (1861-65)<br>Speech (1858-10-13), Lincoln-Douglas Debate No. 6,  Quincy, Illinois 
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		<title>Hoffer, Eric -- True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements, Part 3, ch. 14, §  69 (1951)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[That hatred springs more from self-contempt than from a legitimate grievance is seen in the intimate connection between hatred and a guilty conscience. There is perhaps no surer way of infecting ourselves with virulent hatred toward a person than by doing him a grave injustice. That others have a just grievance against us is a [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That hatred springs more from self-contempt than from a legitimate grievance is seen in the intimate connection between hatred and a guilty conscience. There is perhaps no surer way of infecting ourselves with virulent hatred toward a person than by doing him a grave injustice. That others have a just grievance against us is a more potent reason for hating them than that we have a just grievance against them. </p>
<br><b>Eric Hoffer</b> (1902-1983) American writer, philosopher, longshoreman<br><i>True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements</i>, Part 3, ch. 14, §  69 (1951) 
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		<title>Lewis, Sinclair -- Main Street, ch. 31, sec. 2 (1920)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are two insults which no human being will endure: The assertion that he hasn&#8217;t a sense of humor, and the doubly impertinent assertion that he has never known trouble.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are two insults which no human being will endure: The assertion that he hasn&#8217;t a sense of humor, and the doubly impertinent assertion that he has never known trouble.</p>
<br><b>Sinclair Lewis</b> (1885-1951) American novelist, playwright<br><i>Main Street</i>, ch. 31, sec. 2 (1920) 
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		<title>HIcks, Bill -- Interview with Howard Stern (1993)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another thing. This idea of &#8220;I&#8217;m offended&#8221;. Well I&#8217;ve got news for you. I&#8217;m offended by a lot of things too. Where do I send my list? Life is offensive, you know what I mean? Just get in touch with your outer adult, and grow up, and move on. Reasonable people don&#8217;t write letters because [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thing. This idea of &#8220;I&#8217;m offended&#8221;. Well I&#8217;ve got news for you. I&#8217;m offended by a lot of things too. Where do I send my list? Life is offensive, you know what I mean? Just get in touch with your outer adult, and grow up, and move on. Reasonable people don&#8217;t write letters because (a) they have lives and (b), they understand it&#8217;s just TV, (c) if they see something they don&#8217;t like, something they do like might be on later. I&#8217;ve seen many comics I&#8217;ve hated. I&#8217;ve seen many religious shows that have offended me. I&#8217;ve never written a letter. I just go about my life.</p>
<br><b>Bill Hicks</b> (1961-1994) American stand-up comedian, social critic, satirist, musician [William Melvin "Bill" Hicks]<br>Interview with Howard Stern (1993) 
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		<title>Watts, Isaac -- Poems, &#8220;Moral Songs: #6 Good Resolutions&#8221;</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll not willingly offend,<br />
Nor be easily offended;<br />
What&#8217;s amiss I&#8217;ll strive to mend,<br />
And endure what can&#8217;t be mended.</p>
<br><b>Isaac Watts</b> (1674-1748) English theologian and hymnodist<br><i>Poems</i>, &#8220;Moral Songs: #6 Good Resolutions&#8221; 
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In Samuel Johnson, <i>Works of English Poets</i>, vol. 46 (1779)						</span>
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		<title>Lee, Robert E. -- (Attributed)</title>
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<br><b>Robert E. Lee</b> (1807-1870) American military leader<br>(Attributed) 
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On his strategy at the Battle of Chancellorsville (1863).
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		<title>Burgh, James -- The Dignity of Human Nature, Sec. 5 &#8220;Miscellaneous Thoughts on Prudence in Conversation&#8221; (1754)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As nothing is more provoking to some tempers than raillery, a prudent person will not always be satirically witty where he can, but only where he may without offence. For he will consider the that the finest stroke of raillery is but a witticism; and that there is hardly any person so mean, whose good will is not preferable to the pleasure of a horse-laugh.</p>
<br><b>James Burgh</b> (1714-1775) British politician and writer<br><i>The Dignity of Human Nature</i>, Sec. 5 &#8220;Miscellaneous Thoughts on Prudence in Conversation&#8221; (1754) 
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		<title>Marcus Aurelius -- Meditations [To Himself; Τὰ εἰς ἑαυτόν], Book  5, ch. 28 (2.5) (AD 161-180) [tr. Staniforth (1964)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do unsavoury armpits and bad breath make you angry? What good will it do you? Given the mouth and armpits the man has got, that condition is bound to produce those odours. &#8220;After all, though, the fellow is endowed with reason, and he is perfectly able to understand what is offensive if he gives any [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="tab">Do unsavoury armpits and bad breath make you angry? What good will it do you? Given the mouth and armpits the man has got, that condition is bound to produce those odours.<br />
<span class="tab">&#8220;After all, though, the fellow is endowed with reason, and he is perfectly able to understand what is offensive if he gives any thought to it.&#8221;<br />
<span class="tab">Well and good: but you yourself are also endowed with reason; so apply your reasonableness to move him to a like reasonableness; expound, admonish. If he pays attention, you will have worked a cure, and there will be no need for passion; leave that to actors and streetwalkers.</p>
<p><span class="tab">[Τῷ γράσωνι μήτι ὀργίζῃ, μήτι τῷ ὀζοστόμῳ ὀργίζῃ; τί σοι ποιήσει; τοιοῦτον στόμα ἔχει, τοιαύτας μάλας ἔχει, ἀνάγκη τοιαύτην ἀποφορὰν ἀπὸ τοιούτων γίνεσθαι.<br />
<span class="tab">— ἀλλ̓ ὁ ἄνθρωπος λόγον ἔχει, φησί, καὶ δύναται συννοεῖν ἐφιστάνων τί πλημμελεῖ.<br />
<span class="tab">— εὖ σοι γένοιτο: τοιγαροῦν καὶ σὺ λόγον ἔχεις, κίνησον λογικῇ διαθέσει λογικὴν διάθεσιν, δεῖξον, ὑπόμνησον: εἰ γὰρ ἐπαίει, θεραπεύσεις καὶ οὐ χρεία ὀργῆς.<br />
<span class="tab">Οὔτε τραγῳδὸς οὔτε πόρνη.]</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<br><b>Marcus Aurelius</b> (AD 121-180) Roman emperor (161-180), Stoic philosopher<br><i>Meditations [To Himself; Τὰ εἰς ἑαυτόν]</i>, Book  5, ch. 28 (2.5) (AD 161-180) [tr. Staniforth (1964)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/meditations0000marc_g6h3/page/86/mode/2up?q=%22do+unsavoury+armpits%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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This chapter can be interpreted a couple of different ways, as the various translations indicate. The most straightforward is to not be angry over an offense that cannot be avoided; if someone <em>can</em> be reasoned out of being offensive, then use reason, not anger. Don't be a drama queen.<br><br>

To make things more clear, I have added the paragraph breaks that a couple of the translators used to the original and all the translations.<br><br>

<a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Thoughts_of_the_Emperor_Marcus_Aurelius_Antoninus/Book_V#cite_note-3:~:text=This%20is%20imperfect%20or%20corrupt%2C%20or%20both">Long</a> notes the last part of this passage (about "actors and harlots") is corrupted in some way and cannot be rendered sensibly. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Meditations_of_the_Emperor_Marcus_Antoninus/Commentary_on_Book_5#:~:text=The%20last%20four%20words%20are%20one%20of%20the%20unsolved%20enigmas%20of%20our%20book.%20Gataker%20thought%20that%20Marcus%20means%20that%20a%20good%20man%20neither%20lauds%20it%20over%20the%20evil%2Ddoer%20nor%20panders%20to%20him.">Farquharson</a> calls the four words "one of the unsolved enigmas of our book," and notes Gataker's interpretation that a good man neither dramatically lauds it over a bad one, nor panders to them. Some translators leave the passage out; others try to find a meaningful way to integrate it; most modern ones simply quote it translate it and leave it as a fragment.<br><br>

(<a href="http://data.perseus.org/citations/urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0562.tlg001.perseus-grc1:5.28.1">Source (Greek)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">Be not angry neither with him whose breath, neither with him whose arm holes, are offensive. What can he do? such is his breath naturally, and such are his arm holes; and from such, such an effect, and such a smell must of necessity proceed. <br>
<span class="tab">"O, but the man (sayest thou) hath understanding in him, and might of himself know, that he by standing near, cannot choose but offend." <br>
<span class="tab">And thou also (God bless thee!) hast understanding. Let thy reasonable faculty, work upon his reasonable faculty; show him his fault, admonish him. If he hearken unto thee, thou hast cured him, and there will be no more occasion of anger.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Marcus_Aurelius_Antoninus_-_His_Meditations_concerning_himselfe#THE_FIFTH_BOOK:~:text=Be%20not%20angry,occasion%20of%20anger.">Casaubon</a> (1634), 5.22]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">Are you angry at a Rank Smell, or an ill scented Breath? Why if a Man's Lungs, or Stomach, are ulcerated, or his Arm-pits out of Order, how can he help it. <br>
<span class="tab">But you'll say, the case is not parallel, between an ill Action, and an ill Breath; the one is Choice, and the other Necessity. <br>
<span class="tab">Well, If you think Mankind so full of Reason, pray make use of your own: Argue the Case with the Faulty Person, and show him his Error: If your Advice prevails, he is what you would have him; and then there is no need of being angry: And lastly, Don't mismanage either by your Haughtiness, or Servility.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Emperor_Marcus_Antoninus:_His_Conversation_with_Himself/Book_5#:~:text=Are%20you%20angry,Haughtiness%2C%20or%20Servility.">Collier</a> (1701)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">Can you be angry at one, whose arm-pits or whose breath are disagreeable? How can the man help it, who has such a mouth or such armpits? They must have a smell. <br>
<span class="tab">But, says one, man has reason: he could by attention, discern what is injurious in his actions; [these may justly raise anger.] <br>
<span class="tab">Well, God bless you, you have this reason too. Rouse then his rational dispositions, by your rational dispositions; instruct, suggest to him, what is right. If he listens to you, you have cured him, and then there is no occasion for anger. Let us have no tragical exclamations against the vices and injuries of others; nor a base concurrence with them, like that of harlots.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/457829267955022580052/page/n99/mode/2up?q=%22Can+you+be+angry+at+one%2C%22">Hutcheson/Moor</a> (1742)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">Would you quarrel with a man who had the misfortune to have a bad breath, or any other natural infirmity? If his lungs or his constitution necessarily produce those effects, how can he avoid it?<br>
<span class="tab">But, you will say, "It is not a parallel case between a bad breath and an ill action. The man, in the latter case, being endued with reason, might know and avoid acting ill."<br>
<span class="tab">  Well, Sir, you are a happy man; and, as <i>you</i> always act <i>rationally,</i> endeavour to excite the same laudable disposition in your friend: Shew him his error, and admonish him; if he listens to your advice, you will cure him of his fault, and there will be no room for your anger. Do not make too serious an affair of it; nor yet encourage him in his faults by a meretricious compliance.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_meditations_of_Marcus_Aurelius_Anton/3uQIAAAAQAAJ?gbpv=1&bsq=%22would%20you%20quarrel%22">Graves</a> (1792)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">Art thou angry with him whose armpits stink? art thou angry with him whose mouth smells foul? What good will this anger do thee? He has such a mouth, he has such armpits: it is necessary that such an emanation must come from such things: <br>
<span class="tab">but the man has reason, it will be said, and he is able, if he takes pains, to discover wherein he offends; <br>
<span class="tab">I wish thee well of thy discovery. Well then, and thou hast reason: by thy rational faculty stir up his rational faculty; show him his error, admonish him. For if he listens, thou wilt cure him, and there is no need of anger. <br>
<span class="tab">[Neither tragic actor nor whore.]<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Thoughts_of_the_Emperor_Marcus_Aurelius_Antoninus/Book_V#:~:text=Art%20thou%20angry,actor%20nor%20whore.%E2%80%A0%5D">Long</a> (1862)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">Are you angry at a rank smell or an ill-scented breath? What good will this anger do you? <br>
<span class="tab">But you will say, the man has reason, and can, if he takes pains, discover where in he offends. <br>
<span class="tab">I wish you joy of your discovery. Well, if you think mankind is so full of reason, pray make use of your own. Argue the case with the faulty person, and show him his error. If your advice prevails, he is what you would have him; and then there is no need of being angry.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Meditations_of_Marcus_Aurelius/5qcAEZZibB0C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22rank%20smell%22">Collier/Zimmern</a> (1887)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">Do you get angry at rank armpits? or at foul breath? What would be the good? Mouth, armpits are what they are, and being so, the given effluvia must results. <br>
<span class="tab">-- "Yes, but nature has given man reason, man can comprehend and understand what offends!"<br>
<span class="tab">-- "Very good! <i>Ergo</i> you too have reason; use your moral reason to move his; show him his error, admonish him. If he attends, you will amend him; no need for anger -- you are not a ranter, or a whore."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Marcus_Aurelius_Antoninus_to_Himself/0X2BxfXnXKcC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA65&printsec=frontcover">Rendall</a> (1898)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">Are you angry with one whose armpits smell or whose breath is foul? What is the use? His mouth or his arm-pits are so, and the consequence must follow. <br>
<span class="tab">But, you say, man is a reasonable being, and could by attention discern in what he offends.<br>
<span class="tab">Very well, you too have reason. Use your reason to move his; instruct, admonish him. If he listens, you will cure him, and there will be no reason for anger. You are neither actor nor harlot.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://gutenberg.org/cache/epub/55317/pg55317-images.html#:~:text=Are%20you%20angry,actor%20nor%20harlot.">Hutcheson/Chrystal</a> (1902)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">If a man's armpits are unpleasant, art thou angry with him? If he has foul breath? What would be the use? The man has such a mouth, he has such armpits. Some such effluvium was bound to come from such a source. <br>
<span class="tab"><i>But the man has sense,</i> quotha! <i>With a little attention he could see wherein he offends. </i><br>
<span class="tab">I congratulate thee! Well, thou too hast sense. By a rational attitude, then, in thyself evoke a rational attitude in him, enlighten him, admonish him. If he listen, thou shalt cure him, and have no need of anger.<br>
<span class="tab">Neither tragedian nor harlot.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Marcus_Aurelius_(Haines_1916)/Book_5#:~:text=If%20a%20man%27s,tragedian%20nor%20harlot.">Haines</a> (Loeb) (1916)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">Are you angry with the man whose person or whose breath is rank? What will anger profit you? He has a foul mouth, he has foul armpits; there is a necessary connexion between the effluvia and its causes. <br>
<span class="tab">"Well, but the creature has reason, and can, if he stops to think, understand why he is offensive."<br> 
<span class="tab">Bless you! and so too have you reason; let reasonable disposition move reasonable disposition; point it out, remind him; for if he hearkens, you will cure him and anger will be superfluous. You are neither play-actor nor harlot.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Meditations_of_the_Emperor_Marcus_Antoninus/Book_5#:~:text=Are%20you%20angry,actor%20nor%20harlot.">Farquharson</a> (1944)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">You are angry with a man if he smells of stale sweat, or has bad breath?  What good will it do you? He has such a mouth, he has such armpits; and being as they are, such exhalations are bound to arise from them. <br>
<span class="tab">"Yes, but the man is endowed with reason, and if he would only think, he could see why he is out of line."<br>
<span class="tab">Gracious me, you have reason too, so set his powers of reason to work by making use of your own! Show him his fault, call it to his attention; for if he listens, you will cure him, and there will be no need for anger.<br>
<span class="tab">Neither a play-actor nor a prostitute.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Meditations/VVsmU-4YwFsC?gbpv=1&bsq=%225.28%22%20armpits">Hard</a> (1997 ed.)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">Don’t be irritated at people’s smell or bad breath. What’s the point? With that mouth, with those armpits, they’re going to produce that odor.<br>
<span class="tab">— But they have a brain! Can’t they figure it out? Can’t they recognize the problem?<br>
<span class="tab">So you have a brain as well. Good for you. Then use your logic to awaken his. Show him Make him realize it. If he’ll listen, then you’ll have solved the problem Without anger.<br>
<span class="tab">Neither player-king nor prostitute.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/meditation-GeorgeHays/page/n143/mode/2up?q=%2228.+Don%E2%80%99t+be+irritated%22">Hays</a> (2003)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">Are you angry with the man who smells like a goat, or the one with foul breath? What will you have him do? That’s the way his mouth is, that’s the way his armpits are, so it is inevitable that they should give out odours to match. <br>
<span class="tab">"But the man is endowed with reason," you say, "and if he puts his mind to it he can work out why he causes offence." <br>
<span class="tab">Well, good for you! So you too are no less endowed with reason: bring your rationality, then, to bear on his rationality -- show him, tell him. If he listens, you will cure him, and no need for anger. <br>
<span class="tab">Neither hypocrite nor whore.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/marcus-aurelius-emperor-of-rome-martin-hammond-diskin-clay-meditations/page/43/mode/2up?q=armpits">Hammond</a> (2006)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">You are angry with a man if he smells of stale sweat, or has bad breath? What good will it do you? He has such a mouth, he has such armpits; and being as they are, such exhalations are bound to arise from them. <br>
<span class="tab">"Yes, but the man is endowed with reason, and if he would only think, he could recognize his fault." <br>
<span class="tab">Gracious me, you have reason too, so set his powers of reason to work by making use of your own! Show him his fault, call it to his attention; for if he listens, you will cure him, and there will be no need for anger. <br>
<span class="tab">Neither a play-actor nor a prostitute!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/meditations0000marc_m5f0/page/42/mode/2up?q=armpits">Hard</a> (2011 ed.)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">Surely you aren't angry with someone who smells of stale sweat?  Surely you aren't angry with someone with stale breath?  What good will that do? That's the kind of mouth he has; that's the kind of armpit he has; and there is a necessary connection between the smells and those factors.<br>
<span class="tab">"But this person possesses rationality, and if he gives it thought he can work out why he is offensive."<br>
<span class="tab">Well done! So you have rationality too. Activate one rational disposition by another: show him, tell him. If he listens, you will cure him and there will be no need for anger. <br> 
<span class="tab">Neither a play-actor nor a prostitute.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Marcus_Aurelius_Meditations_Books_1_6/fCdoAgAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=28%20armpit">Gill</a> (2013)]</blockquote><br>
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		<title>Chesterfield (Lord) -- Letter to his son, #161 (5 Sep 1748)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Every man is not ambitious, or courteous, or passionate; but every man has pride enough in his composition to feel and resent the least slight and contempt. Remember, therefore, most carefully to conceal your contempt, however just, wherever you would not make an implacable enemy. Men are much more unwilling to have their weaknesses and [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every man is not ambitious, or courteous, or passionate; but every man has pride enough in his composition to feel and resent the least slight and contempt. Remember, therefore, most carefully to conceal your contempt, however just, wherever you would not make an implacable enemy. Men are much more unwilling to have their weaknesses and their imperfections known, than their crimes; and if you hint to a man that you think him silly, ignorant, or even ill-bred, or awkward, he will hate you more and longer, than if you tell him plainly, that you think him a rogue.</p>
<br><b>Lord Chesterfield</b> (1694-1773) English statesman, wit [Philip Dormer Stanhope]<br>Letter to his son, #161 (5 Sep 1748) 
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		<title>Buechner, Frederick -- Wishful Thinking (1971)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[ANGER: Of the Seven Deadly Sins, anger is possibly the most fun. To lick your wounds, to smack your lips over grievances long past, to roll over your tongue the prospect of bitter confrontations still to come, to savor to the last toothsome morsel both the pain you are given and the pain you are [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ANGER: Of the Seven Deadly Sins, anger is possibly the most fun. To lick your wounds, to smack your lips over grievances long past, to roll over your tongue the prospect of bitter confrontations still to come, to savor to the last toothsome morsel both the pain you are given and the pain you are giving back &#8212; in many ways it is a feast fit for a king. The chief drawback is that what you are wolfing down is yourself. The skeleton at the feast is you.</p>
<br><b>Frederick Buechner</b> (b. 1926) American minister, author<br><i>Wishful Thinking</i> (1971) 
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		<title>Billings, Josh -- Everybody&#8217;s Friend, Or; Josh Billing&#8217;s Encyclopedia and Proverbial Philosophy of Wit and Humor, ch. 155 &#8220;Affurisms: Ink Lings&#8221; (1874)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Repentanse should be the effekt ov love &#8212; not fear.</p>
<p>[Repentance should be the effect of love &#8212; not fear.]</p>
<br><b>Josh Billings</b> (1818-1885) American humorist, aphorist [pseud. of Henry Wheeler Shaw]<br><i>Everybody&#8217;s Friend, Or; Josh Billing&#8217;s Encyclopedia and Proverbial Philosophy of Wit and Humor</i>, ch. 155 &#8220;Affurisms: Ink Lings&#8221; (1874) 
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		<title>Chesterfield (Lord) -- Letter to his son, #249 (7 Apr 1751)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The greatest favors may be done so awkwardly and so bunglingly as to offend; and disagreeable things may be done so agreeably as almost to oblige.</p>
<br><b>Lord Chesterfield</b> (1694-1773) English statesman, wit [Philip Dormer Stanhope]<br>Letter to his son, #249 (7 Apr 1751) 
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		<title>Smith, Logan Pearsall -- Afterthoughts, ch. 2 &#8220;Age and Death&#8221; (1931)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot forgive my friends for dying; I do not find these vanishing acts of theirs at all amusing.</p>
<br><b>Logan Pearsall Smith</b> (1865-1946) American-English essayist, editor, anthologist<br><i>Afterthoughts</i>, ch. 2 &#8220;Age and Death&#8221; (1931) 
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		<title>Rushdie, Salman -- &#8220;Do we have to fight the battle for the Enlightenment all over again?&#8221; The Independent (22 Jan 2005)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The idea that any kind of free society can be constructed in which people will never be offended or insulted is absurd. So too is the notion that people should have the right to call on the law to defend them against being offended or insulted. A fundamental decision needs to be made: do we [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea that any kind of free society can be constructed in which people will never be offended or insulted is absurd. So too is the notion that people should have the right to call on the law to defend them against being offended or insulted. A fundamental decision needs to be made: do we want to live in a free society or not? Democracy is not a tea party where people sit around making polite conversation. In democracies people get extremely upset with each other. They argue vehemently against each other’s positions. (But they don’t shoot.)</p>
<br><b>Salman Rushdie</b> (b. 1947) Indian novelist<br>&#8220;Do we have to fight the battle for the Enlightenment all over again?&#8221; <i>The Independent</i> (22 Jan 2005) 
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		<title>Rushdie, Salman -- In Weekend Guardian (10 Feb 1990)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is freedom of expression? Without the freedom to offend, it ceases to exist.</p>
<br><b>Salman Rushdie</b> (b. 1947) Indian novelist<br>In <i>Weekend Guardian</i> (10 Feb 1990) 
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		<title>Rickover, Hyman -- (Attributed)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you are going to sin, sin against God, not the bureaucracy. God will forgive you but the bureaucracy won&#8217;t. Variant: &#8220;If you are going to sin, sin against God, but not against the bureaucracy &#8212; God will forgive you, the bureaucracy never will.&#8221; A phrase used a number of times by Rickover in conversation, [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are going to sin, sin against God, not the bureaucracy. God will forgive you but the bureaucracy won&#8217;t.</p>
<br><b>Hyman Rickover</b> (1900-1986) Polish-American naval engineer, admiral [b. Chaim Gdala Rykower]<br>(Attributed) 
														<br><br><span class="cite">
						

Variant: "If you are going to sin, sin against God, but not against the bureaucracy -- God will forgive you, the bureaucracy never will." <br><br>

A phrase used a number of times by Rickover in conversation, and frequently quoted and attributed to him.  I cannot, however, find a primary source.<br><br>

A citation is <a href="https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Hyman_G._Rickover#:~:text=As%20quoted%20in%20The%20New%20York%20Times%20(3%20November%201986)">sometimes given</a> to a <i>New York Times</i> article, 1986-11-03.  That article merely <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/1986/11/03/us/washington-talk-angry-dispute-left-for-new-senate.html?searchResultPosition=1#:~:text=%27If%20you%27re%20going%20to%20sin%2C%20sin%20against%20God%2C%20not%20the%20bureaucracy.%20God%20will%20forgive%20you%20but%20the%20bureaucracy%20won%27t.%27%27">quotes someone quoting Rickover</a>.						</span>
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