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		<title>Gordon, Peter E. -- &#8220;Why Historical Analogy Matters,&#8221; New York Review of Books (7 Jan 2020)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Like common law, the moral imagination works by precedent and example. We are all equipped with an inherited archive of historical events that serves as the background for everything that occurs. Especially when we are confronted with new events that test the limits of moral comprehension, we call upon what is most familiar in historical [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like common law, the moral imagination works by precedent and example. We are all equipped with an inherited archive of historical events that serves as the background for everything that occurs. Especially when we are confronted with new events that test the limits of moral comprehension, we call upon what is most familiar in historical memory to regain our sense of moral orientation. We require this archive not only for political judgment, but as the necessary horizon for human experience.</p>
<br><b>Peter E, Gordon</b> (b. 1966) American intellectual historian<br>&#8220;Why Historical Analogy Matters,&#8221; <i>New York Review of Books</i> (7 Jan 2020) 
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		<title>Brown, Rita Mae -- Venus Envy (1993)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I became a lesbian out of devout Christian charity. All those women out there are praying for a man and I gave them my share. Frequently paraphrased as: &#8220;My lesbianism is an act of Christian charity. All those women out there are praying for a man, and I&#8217;m giving them my share.&#8221;]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I became a lesbian out of devout Christian charity. All those women out there are praying for a man and I gave them my share.</p>
<br><b>Rita Mae Brown</b> (b. 1944) American author, playwright<br><i>Venus Envy</i> (1993) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=n7zU40X-pjsC&lpg=PP1&dq=RITA%20MAE%20BROWN%20venus%20envy&pg=PA364#v=onepage&q=%22christian%20charity%22&f=false" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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Frequently paraphrased as: "My lesbianism is an act of Christian charity. All those women out there are praying for a man, and I'm giving them my share."						</span>
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		<title>Zappa, Frank -- A Day with Frank Zappa, Part 5, documentary, dir. Roelof Kiers, VPRO-TV (1971-02-11)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. Widely attributed to Zappa in various forms, but with very few actual citations. The Kiers documentary gave the quotation twice. First (Source, Video): Well I think that progress is not possible without deviation. And I think that it&#8217;s important that people be aware of some of [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.</p>
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<br><b>Frank Zappa</b> (1940-1993) American singer-songwriter<br><i>A Day with Frank Zappa</i>, Part 5, documentary, dir. Roelof Kiers, VPRO-TV (1971-02-11) 
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Widely attributed to Zappa in various forms, but with very few actual citations.<br><br> 

The Kiers documentary gave the quotation twice. First (<a href="https://www.donlope.net/fz/videos/Frank_Zappa_VPRO.html#:~:text=Well%20I%20think,you%20never%20know.">Source</a>, <a href="http://Video: https://youtu.be/5aFRBbnF-ag?si=KZ8vNilaZhtfSGQt&t=2447">Video</a>):<br><br>

<blockquote>Well I think that progress is not possible without deviation. And I think that it's important that people be aware of some of the creative ways in which some of their fellow men are deviating from the norm, because in some instances they might find these deviations inspiring and might suggest further deviations which might cause progress, you never know.</blockquote><br>

Second (<a href="https://www.donlope.net/fz/videos/Frank_Zappa_VPRO.html#:~:text=Roelof%20Kiers%3A%20What%20kind%20of%20influence,of%20deviation.%20We%20need%20a%20few%20deviants.">Source</a>, <a href="https://youtu.be/5aFRBbnF-ag?si=tZ2K8zmhTMeY7KWO&t=2121">Video</a>): <br><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">KIERS: What kind of influence did the Mothers [of Invention] have, you think?<br>
<span class="tab">ZAPPA: Well, we had some, but not very much, because of the size of our audience was so small.<br>
<span class="tab">KIERS: But, what kind of influence?<br>
<span class="tab">ZAPPA: Well, I think we perhaps inspired some of the people who liked what we do to get a little bit looser and a little bit more devious, and as I said before about progress not being possible without some sort of deviation. We need a few deviants.</blockquote><br>

A variant of this quote shows up in a photo essay titled <a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=c5MCAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA47&vq=%22progress%20is%20not%20possible%22&pg=PA47#v=snippet&q=%22progress%20is%20not%20possible%3A&f=false">"A Quarter Century of Gay Life in New York," <i>New York</i> Magazine (1994-06-20)</a>. It is attributed to Zappa (who had died the previous December), and is dated (without citation) to 1966:<br><br>

<blockquote>My attitude toward anybody's sexual persuasion is this: without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.</blockquote><br>

The quotation also shows up in Leigh Rutledge, <i><a href="https://www.scribd.com/document/691874185/OceanofPDF-com-the-Gay-Book-of-Lists-Leigh-W-Rutledge">The Gay Book of Lists</a></i> (1987) and his <i><a href="https://archive.org/details/unnaturalquotati00rutl/page/26/mode/2up?q=%22progress+is+not+possible%22">Unnatural Quotations</a></i> (1988). <br><br>

Rosemary Silva's <i><a href="https://archive.org/details/isbn_9781555832315/page/166/mode/2up?q=%22anybody%27s+sexual+persuasion%22">Lesbian Quotations</a></i> (1993) mentions this latter Rudtledge book as a citation, but gives a date on the quote as 1980.<br><br>

I have not been able to find an earlier source of this variant.<br><br>

Another use by Zappa can be found in his autobiography, <a href="https://archive.org/details/realfrankzappabo0000zapp/page/184/mode/2up?q=%22norm%2C+progress+is+not+possible%22"<i>The Real Frank Zappa Book</i>, ch.  8 "All About Music" [with Peter Occhiogrosso] (1989)</a>:<br><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">One of the things I've said before in interviews is: <i>"Without deviation (from the norm), 'progress' is not possible."</i><br>
<span class="tab">In order for one to <i>deviate successfully,</i> one has to have at least a passing acquaintance with whatever <i>norm</i> one expects to deviate from.</blockquote><br>

The section this text begins is titled "Deviation from the Norm" -- Zappa is speaking here about music, "radio music norms," and enjoying "nuking those norms" when prepping touring arrangements. (He also gives a lengthy critique of the classical / symphonic music realm and their rigid adherence to their norms).<br><br>

See also <a href="https://wist.info/shaw-george-bernard/8185/">Shaw</a> (1903).						</span>
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