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		<title>Roosevelt, Eleanor -- Essay (1951-12), &#8220;This I Believe: Growth that Starts from Thinking,&#8221; on Edward R. Murrow, This I Believe, CBS Radio</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps that’s what we all had to do &#8212; think out for ourselves what we could believe and how we could live by it. And so I came to the conclusion that you had to use this life to develop the very best that you could develop. (Source (Audio); start 1:54). The essay was read [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps that’s what we all had to do &#8212; think out for ourselves what we could believe and how we could live by it. And so I came to the conclusion that you had to use this life to develop the very best that you could develop.</p>
<br><b>Eleanor Roosevelt</b> (1884–1962) First Lady of the US (1933–1945), politician, diplomat, activist<br>Essay (1951-12), &#8220;This I Believe: Growth that Starts from Thinking,&#8221; on Edward R. Murrow, <i>This I Believe</i>, CBS Radio 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://thisibelieve.org/essay/16936/#:~:text=perhaps%20that%E2%80%99s%20what%20we%20all%20must%20do%E2%80%94think%20out%20for%20ourselves%20what%20we%20could%20believe%20and%20how%20we%20could%20live%20by%20it.%20And%20so%20I%20came%20to%20the%20conclusion%20that%20you%20had%20to%20use%20this%20life%20to%20develop%20the%20very%20best%20that%20you%20could%20develop." target="_blank">Source</a>)
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(<a href="https://thisibelieve.org/essay/16936/">Source (Audio)</a>; start 1:54). The essay was read without a script. The official transcript gives "what we all must do," but the audio clearly says, "what we all had to do."<br><br>

<a href="https://archive.org/details/thisibelievemurr00murr/page/155/mode/2up?q=%22think+out+for+ourselves%22">Collected</a> in Edward P. Morgan (ed.), <i>This I Believe</i> (1952).

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		<title>Euripides -- Æolus [Αἴολος], frag.  19 (TGF) [tr. Aleator (2012)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[And what is shameful if those who do it don’t think it so? [τί δ’ αἰσχρὸν ἢν μὴ τοῖσι χρωμένοις δοκῇ] This bit of moral relativism (likely coming from Macareus, the son of Aeolus, who committed incest with his sister, Canace) continues to provoke commentary, thus varied translations. Aristophanes includes a reference to this line [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what is shameful if those who do it don’t think it so?</p>
<p>[τί δ’ αἰσχρὸν ἢν μὴ τοῖσι χρωμένοις δοκῇ]</p>
<br><b>Euripides</b> (485?-406? BC) Greek tragic dramatist<br><i>Æolus</i> [Αἴολος], frag.  19 (TGF) [tr. Aleator (2012)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://aleatorclassicus.wordpress.com/2012/08/28/euripides-aeolus-fr-19/" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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This bit of moral relativism (likely coming from Macareus, the son of Aeolus, who committed incest with his sister, Canace) continues to provoke commentary, thus varied translations. Aristophanes includes a reference to this line in his <i>The Frogs</i>.<br><br>

<a href="https://archive.org/details/tragicorumgraeco00naucuoft/page/368/mode/2up?q=%22%CF%84%CE%AF+%CE%B4%5E+%CE%B1%CE%AF%CE%B0%CF%87%CF%81%CF%8C%CE%BD+%CE%B7%CE%BD+%CE%BC%CE%AE+%CF%84%CE%BF%CE%90%CF%8C%CE%B9+%CF%87%CF%81%CF%89%CE%BC%CE%AD%CE%BD%CE%BF%CE%B9%CF%82+%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BA%CE%B3%CE%B9%3B%22">Nauck frag. 19</a>, Barnes frag. 5, Musgrave frag. 1. (<a href="https://aleatorclassicus.wordpress.com/2012/08/28/euripides-aeolus-fr-19/">Source (Greek)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>But what is base, if it appear not base<br>
To those who practice what their soul approves?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/nineteentragedi02wodhgoog/page/318/mode/2up?q=%22what+is+base%22">Wodhull</a> (1809)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>What is shameful, if it does not seem to be so to those who do it?<br>
[<a href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/4432907">Source</a>]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>What's wrong if they who do it think not so?<br>
[<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Aristophanous_Batrachoi/b3hiAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22%CF%84%CE%AF+%CE%B4%E2%80%99+%CE%B1%E1%BC%B0%CF%83%CF%87%CF%81%E1%BD%B8%CE%BD+%E1%BC%A2%CE%BD+%CE%BC%E1%BD%B4+%CF%84%CE%BF%E1%BF%96%CF%83%CE%B9%22&pg=PA224&printsec=frontcover">Source</a> (1902)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Why shameful, if it does not seem so to those who practice it?<br>
[<a href="https://www.academia.edu/36099482/_You_must_not_stand_in_one_place_seeing_in_Sicilian_and_Old_Attic_Comedy_in_Gaze_Vision_and_Visuality_in_Ancient_Greek_Literature_ed_by_A_Kampakoglou_and_A_Novokhatko_De_Gruyter_2018_205_232">Source</a> (2018)]</blockquote><br>
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		<title>Burton, Richard -- &#8220;The Kasidah of Haji Abdu El-Yezdi,&#8221; or &#8220;Lay of the Higher Law&#8221; (1880)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do what thy manhood bids thee do, from none but self expect applause; He noblest lives and noblest dies who makes and keeps his self-made laws.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do what thy manhood bids thee do, from none but self expect applause;<br />
He noblest lives and noblest dies who makes and keeps his self-made laws. </p>
<br><b>Richard Francis Burton</b> (1821-1890) British explorer and orientalist<br>&#8220;The Kasidah of Haji Abdu El-Yezdi,&#8221; or &#8220;Lay of the Higher Law&#8221; (1880) 
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		<title>Wesley, John -- Sermon #39, &#8220;Catholic Spirit,&#8221; 1.11</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My own belief is no rule for another.</p>
<br><b>John Wesley</b> (1703-1791) English cleric, Christian theologian and evangelist, founder of Methodism<br>Sermon #39, &#8220;Catholic Spirit,&#8221; 1.11 
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		<title>Sayers, Dorothy -- Gaudy Night, ch. 23 [Wimsey] (1935)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Harriet; I have nothing much in the way of religion, or even morality, but I do recognize a code of behavior of sorts. I do know the worst sin &#8212; perhaps the only sin &#8212; passion can commit, is to be joyless. It must lie down with laughter or make its bed in hell &#8212; [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harriet; I have nothing much in the way of religion, or even morality, but I do recognize a code of behavior of sorts. I do know the worst sin &#8212; perhaps the only sin &#8212; passion can commit, is to be joyless. It must lie down with laughter or make its bed in hell &#8212; there is no middle way.</p>
<br><b>Dorothy Sayers</b> (1893-1957) English author, translator<br><i>Gaudy Night</i>, ch. 23 [Wimsey] (1935) 
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Sometimes paraphrased, "The only sin passion can commit is to be joyless."						</span>
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		<title>Selden, John -- Table Talk, §  16.3 &#8220;Church&#8221; (1689)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A glorious Church is like a magnificent feast; there is all the variety that may be, but every one chooses out a dish or two that he likes, and lets the rest alone: how glorious soever the Church is, every one chooses out of it his own religion, by which he governs himself, and lets [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A glorious Church is like a magnificent feast; there is all the variety that may be, but every one chooses out a dish or two that he likes, and lets the rest alone: how glorious soever the Church is, every one chooses out of it his own religion, by which he governs himself, and lets the rest alone.</p>
<br><b>John Selden</b> (1584-1654) English jurist, legal scholar, antiquarian, polymath<br><i>Table Talk</i>, §  16.3 &#8220;Church&#8221; (1689) 
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		<title>Lippmann, Walter -- A Preface to Morals, 11.3 (1929)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[He has honor if he holds himself to an ideal of conduct though it is inconvenient, unprofitable, or dangerous to do so.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He has honor if he holds himself to an ideal of conduct though it is inconvenient, unprofitable, or dangerous to do so.</p>
<br><b>Walter Lippmann</b> (1889-1974) American journalist and author<br><i>A Preface to Morals</i>, 11.3 (1929) 
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