<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/"
	>

<!--  do not duplicate title bloginfo_rss('name'); wp_title_rss(); -->
<channel>

	<title>WIST Quotations</title>
	<atom:link href="https://wist.info/topic/predestination/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>https://wist.info</link>
	<description>Wish I&#039;d Said That!</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sat, 30 May 2026 16:07:25 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4</generator>
	<language></language>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4</generator>

<image>
	<url>https://wist.info/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/little-w-little-box-60x60.jpg</url>
	<title>predestination &#8211; WIST Quotations</title>
	<link>https://wist.info</link>
	<width>32</width>
	<height>32</height>
</image> 
<atom:link rel="hub" href="https://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com"/>
<atom:link rel="hub" href="https://pubsubhubbub.superfeedr.com"/>
<atom:link rel="hub" href="https://websubhub.com/hub"/>
<atom:link rel="self" href="https://wist.info/topic/predestination/feed/"/>
<site xmlns="com-wordpress:feed-additions:1">43606282</site>		<item>

                <!-- DCH Modify the title to give the category (quote author) at the beginning of it. -->
		<title>Ingersoll, Robert Green -- Lecture (1884-01-20), &#8220;Orthodoxy,&#8221; Tabor Opera House, Denver, Colorado</title>
		<link>https://wist.info/ingersoll-robert-green/82093/</link>
		<comments>https://wist.info/ingersoll-robert-green/82093/#respond</comments>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2026 23:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Ingersoll, Robert Green]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[accidents]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Christianity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[curse]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[death]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[disease]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[divine anger]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[divine justice]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[divine love]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[divine plan]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[divine punishment]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[divine retribution]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[divine will]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[divine wrath]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Eden]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[fall of man]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[foreordainment]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Garden of Eden]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Genesis]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[God]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[human condition]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[illness]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[mortality]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[omniscience]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[original sin]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[predestination]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[problem of suffering]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[revenge]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[suffering]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[theodicy]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">https://wist.info/?p=82093</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[In his infinite goodness, God invented rheumatism and gout and dyspepsia, cancers and neuralgia, and is still inventing new diseases. Not only this, but he decreed the pangs of mothers, and that by the gates of love and life should crouch the dragons of death and pain. Fearing that some might, by accident, live too [&#8230;]]]></description>
        <!-- DCH Insert author info (category description) then (Source) and then put the extra info (MORE) below that. -->
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In his infinite goodness, God invented rheumatism and gout and dyspepsia, cancers and neuralgia, and is still inventing new diseases. Not only this, but he decreed the pangs of mothers, and that by the gates of love and life should crouch the dragons of death and pain. Fearing that some might, by accident, live too long, he planted poisonous vines and herbs that looked like food. He caught the serpents he had made and gave them fangs and curious organs, ingeniously devised to distill and deposit the deadly drop. He changed the nature of the beasts, that they might feed on human flesh. He cursed a world, and tainted every spring and source of joy. He poisoned every breath of air; corrupted even light, that it might bear disease on every ray; tainted every drop of blood in human veins; touched every nerve, that it might bear the double fruit of pain and joy; decreed all accidents and mistakes that maim and hurt and kill, and set the snares of life-long grief, baited with present pleasure, &#8212; with a moment&#8217;s joy. Then and there he foreknew and foreordained all human tears. And yet all this is but the prelude, the introduction, to the infinite revenge of the good God. Increase and multiply all human griefs until the mind has reached imagination&#8217;s farthest verge, then add eternity to time, and you may faintly tell, but never can conceive, the infinite horrors of this doctrine called &#8220;The Fall of Man.&#8221; </p>
<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833-1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>Lecture (1884-01-20), &#8220;Orthodoxy,&#8221; Tabor Opera House, Denver, Colorado 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://gutenberg.org/cache/epub/38813/pg38813-images.html#Blink0004:~:text=In%20his%20infinite,Fall%20of%20Man.%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
										<br><br><span class="cite">
						

<a href="https://archive.org/details/orthodoxylecture00inge/page/18/mode/2up?q=%22God+invented+rheumatism%22">Published as its own book</a> in 1884.



						</span>
					]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>https://wist.info/ingersoll-robert-green/82093/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>0</slash:comments>
	<post-id xmlns="com-wordpress:feed-additions:1">82093</post-id>	</item>
		<item>

                <!-- DCH Modify the title to give the category (quote author) at the beginning of it. -->
		<title>Omar Khayyam -- Rubáiyát [رباعیات], Bod. # 148 [tr. Roe (1906), # 73]</title>
		<link>https://wist.info/omar-khayyam/77767/</link>
		<comments>https://wist.info/omar-khayyam/77767/#respond</comments>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2025 21:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Omar Khayyam]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[damnation]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[divine justice]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[entrapment]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[God]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[predestination]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[sin]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[snare]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[temptation]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[trap]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">https://wist.info/?p=77767</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[But thou who settest in the way a snare, With threats of hell for all who stumble there, Almighty Spirit, whom the spheres obey, Is mine the sin, or Thine the greater share? (Source (Persian)). Alternate translations: Oh Thou who didst with Pitfall and with Gin Beset the Road I was to wander in, Thou [&#8230;]]]></description>
        <!-- DCH Insert author info (category description) then (Source) and then put the extra info (MORE) below that. -->
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But thou who settest in the way a snare,<br />
With threats of hell for all who stumble there,<br />
<span class="tab">Almighty Spirit, whom the spheres obey,<br />
Is mine the sin, or Thine the greater share?<br />
<a href="https://wist.info/wp/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/rubaiyat-148.gif"><img decoding="async" src="https://wist.info/wp/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/rubaiyat-148-300x162.gif" alt="rubaiyat 148" width="300" height="162" class="alignright size-medium wp-image-77768" /></a></span></p>
<br><b>Omar Khayyám </b> (1048-1123) Persian poet, mathematician, philosopher, astronomer [عمر خیام]<br><i>Rubáiyát</i> [رباعیات], Bod. # 148 [tr. Roe (1906), # 73] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://rubaiyatconcordance.org/translations/roe---1906.html#:~:text=But%20thou%20who%20settest%20in%20the%20way%20a%20snare%2C%0AWith%20threats%20of%20hell%20for%20all%20who%20stumble%20there%2C%0AAlmighty%20Spirit%2C%20whom%20the%20spheres%20obey%2C%0AIs%20mine%20the%20sin%2C%20or%20Thine%20the%20greater%20share%3F" target="_blank">Source</a>)
										<br><br><span class="cite">
						

(<a href="https://rubaiyatconcordance.org/the-bodleian-quatrains/bodleian-quatrain-nr-148.html">Source (Persian)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>Oh Thou who didst with Pitfall and with Gin<br>
Beset the Road I was to wander in,<br>
<span class="tab">Thou wilt not with Predestination round<br>
Enmesh me, and impute my Fall to Sin?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Rubaiyat_of_Omar_Khayyam_(tr._Fitzgerald,_1st_edition)/The_Rubaiyat_of_Omar_Khayyam#:~:text=Oh%20Thou%20who,Fall%20to%20Sin%3F">FitzGerald</a>, 1st ed. (1859), # 57] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Oh Thou, who didst with pitfall and with gin<br>
Beset the Road I was to wander in,<br>
<span class="tab">Thou wilt not with Predestin'd Evil round<br>
Enmesh, and then impute my Fall to Sin?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Rubaiyat_of_Omar_Khayyam_(tr._Fitzgerald,_2nd_edition)#:~:text=Oh%20Thou%2C%20who%20didst%20with%20pitfall%20and%20with%20gin%0ABeset%20the%20Road%20I%20was%20to%20wander%20in%2C%0AThou%20wilt%20not%20with%20Predestin%27d%20Evil%20round%0AEnmesh%2C%20and%20then%20impute%20my%20Fall%20to%20Sin%3F">FitzGerald</a>, 2nd ed. (1868), # 87]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Oh Thou, who didst with pitfall and with gin<br>
Beset the Road I was to wander in,<br>
<span class="tab">Thou wilt not with Predestin'd Evil round<br>
Enmesh, and then impute my Fall to Sin!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Rubaiyat_of_Omar_Khayyam_(tr._Fitzgerald,_3rd_edition)#:~:text=Oh%20Thou%2C%20who%20didst%20with%20pitfall%20and%20with%20gin%0ABeset%20the%20Road%20I%20was%20to%20wander%20in%2C%0AThou%20wilt%20not%20with%20Predestin%27d%20Evil%20round%0AEnmesh%2C%20and%20then%20impute%20my%20Fall%20to%20Sin!">FitzGerald, 3rd ed.</a> (1872), # 80; <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Rubaiyat_of_Omar_Khayyam_(tr._Fitzgerald,_4th_edition)#:~:text=Oh%20Thou%2C%20who%20didst%20with%20pitfall%20and%20with%20gin%0A%C2%A0Beset%20the%20Road%20I%20was%20to%20wander%20in%2C%0A%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0Thou%20wilt%20not%20with%20Predestin%27d%20Evil%20round%0A%C2%A0Enmesh%2C%20and%20then%20impute%20my%20Fall%20to%20Sin!">4th ed.</a> (1879); <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Rubaiyat_of_Omar_Khayyam_(tr._Fitzgerald,_5th_edition)#:~:text=Oh%20Thou%2C%20who%20didst%20with%20pitfall%20and%20with%20gin%0A%C2%A0Beset%20the%20Road%20I%20was%20to%20wander%20in%2C%0A%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0Thou%20wilt%20not%20with%20Predestined%20Evil%20round%0A%C2%A0Enmesh%2C%20and%20then%20impute%20my%20Fall%20to%20Sin!">5th ed.</a> (1889)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Thou settest snares around us manifold, and sayest, "Death to ye, if ye enter therein." Thou layest the lures Thyself, and then givest over Thy victim to doom.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/rubiytofomark00omar/page/120/mode/2up?q=%22settest+snares%22">McCarthy</a> (1879), # 296] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Thou dost with frequent snare beset the way<br>
The pilgrim's wandering footsteps to betray,<br>
<span class="tab">And all poor wretches tangled in thy snares<br>
Dost seize as prisoners and as rebels slay.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/rubaiyatofomarkh01omar/page/156/mode/2up?q=%22frequent+snare%22">Winfield</a> (1882), # 224]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>With many a snare Thou dost beset my way,<br>
And threatenest, if I fall therein, to slay;<br>
<span class="tab">Thy rule resistless sways the world, yet Thou<br>
Imputest sin, when I do but obey!<br>
[tr. Whinfield (1883), # <a href="https://archive.org/details/rubiytofomark00omar/page/216/mode/2up?q=%22With+many+a+snare%22">243</a> or <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Quatrains_of_Omar_Khayyam_(tr._Whinfield,_1883)/Quatrains_401-500#:~:text=With%20many%20a%20snare%20Thou%20dost%20beset%20my%20way%2C%0AAnd%20threatenest%2C%20if%20I%20fall%20therein%2C%20to%20slay%3B%0A%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0Thy%20rule%20resistless%20sways%20the%20world%2C%20yet%20Thou%0AImputest%20sin%2C%20when%20I%20do%20but%20obey!">432</a>]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Thou hast prepared a Way with many a Snare, <br>
And set with many a Prize to lure us there, <br>
<span class="tab">And still, Oh God, 'tis said, Thou wilt not spare, <br>
The Man whose Foot-steps stumble unaware.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/rubaiyatofomarkh01omar/page/156/mode/2up?q=%22prepared+a+way%22">Garner</a> (1887), 2.3] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Thou hast prepared a way with many a snare<br>
And decked with many a prize to lure us there.<br>
<span class="tab">And yet. Oh, God, 'tis said Thou wilt not spare<br>
The man whose footsteps stumble unaware.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://rubaiyatconcordance.org/translations/garner---1898.html#:~:text=Thou%20hast%20prepared%20a%20way%20with%20many%20a%20snare%0AAnd%20decked%20with%20many%20a%20prize%20to%20lure%20us%20there.%0AAnd%20yet.%20Oh%2C%20God%2C%20%27tis%20said%20Thou%20wilt%20not%20spare%0AThe%20man%20whose%20footsteps%20stumble%20unaware.">Garner</a> (1898), # 87]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>An hundred thousand snares my path within Thou settest<br>
And "Thee," quoth Thou, "I'll slay, if foot therein thou settest."<br>
<span class="tab">'Tis Thou that sett'st the snares; and whoso in them falleth<br>
Thou slay'st and on his name the brand of sin Thou settest!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://rubaiyatconcordance.org/translations/payne---1898.html#:~:text=An%20hundred%20thousand%20snares%20my%20path%20within%20Thou%20settest%0AAnd%20%22Thee%2C%27%27%20quoth%20Thou%2C%20%22I%27ll%20slay%2C%20if%20foot%20therein%20thou%20settest.%22%0A%27T%20is%20Thou%20that%20sett%27st%20the%20snares%3B%20and%20whoso%20in%20them%20falleth%0AThou%20slay%27st%20and%20on%20his%20name%20the%20brand%20of%20sin%20Thou%20settest!">Payne</a> (1898), # 822]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>In a thousand places on the road I walk, Thou placest snares, <br>
Thou sayest, "I will catch thee if thou placest step in them"; <br>
<span class="tab">in no smallest thing is the world independent of Thee, <br>
Thou orderest all things, and callest me rebellious.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/proseandverse_heronallen_talbot_rubaiyatofomarkhayyam_text/page/n43/mode/2up?q=%22thousand+places%22">Heron-Allen</a> (1898), # 148]  </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>A thousand snares Thou settest in my way,<br>
And threatenest if I step therein to slay;<br>
<span class="tab">Thou mak'st Thy law and me dost rebel call,<br>
Though nowise is the world free from Thy sway!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://rubaiyatconcordance.org/translations/thompson---1906.html#:~:text=A%20thousand%20snares%20Thou%20settest%20in%20my%20way%2C%0AAnd%20threatenest%20if%20I%20step%20therein%20to%20slay%3B%0AThou%20mak%27st%20Thy%20law%20and%20me%20dost%20rebel%20call%2C%0AThough%20nowise%20is%20the%20world%20free%20from%20Thy%20sway!">Thompson</a> (1906), # 539]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>In every step I take Thou sett'st a snare,<br>
Saying, "Thus will I entrap thee, so beware!" <br>
<span class="tab">And, while all things are under Thy command,<br>
That I a rebel am Thou dost declare.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/proseandverse_heronallen_talbot_rubaiyatofomarkhayyam_text/page/n43/mode/2up?q=%22In+every+step%22">Talbot</a> (1908), # 148]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>You lay your snares around our ear and eye,<br>
And warn us not to step in, lest we die;<br>
<span class="tab">Thus snares you lay, if therein one but strays,<br>
You catch and kill him saying "Sinner fie!"<br>
[tr. <a href="https://rubaiyatconcordance.org/translations/tirtha---1941.html#:~:text=You%20lay%20your%20snares%20around%20our%20ear%20and%20eye%2C%0AAnd%20warn%20us%20not%20to%20step%20in%2C%20lest%20we%20die%27%3B%0AThus%20snares%20you%20lay%2C%20if%20therein%20one%20but%20strays%2C%0AYou%20catch%20and%20kill%20him%20saying%20%22Sinner%20fie!%22">Tirtha</a> (1941), # 11.9]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>On every path I take, Your snares are spread<br>
To entrap me, should I walk without due care.<br>
<span class="tab">Utter extremes acknowledge Your vast sway.<br>
You order all things -- yet You call me rebel?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/originalrubaiyya00omar/page/70/mode/2up?q=%22On+every+path+I+take%22">Graves & Ali-Shah</a> (1967), # 85]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O Life, you put many traps in my way<br>
Dare to try, is what you clearly say<br>
<span class="tab">All that is, thy command must obey<br>
You lead me away and call me astray.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.okonlife.com/poems/page4.htm#:~:text=O%20Life%2C%20you%20put%20many%20traps%20in%20my%20way%0ADare%20to%20try%2C%20is%20what%20you%20clearly%20say%0AAll%20that%20is%2C%20thy%20command%20must%20obey%0AYou%20lead%20me%20away%20and%20call%20me%20astray.">Shahriari</a> (1998)]</blockquote><br>

						</span>
					]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>https://wist.info/omar-khayyam/77767/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>0</slash:comments>
	<post-id xmlns="com-wordpress:feed-additions:1">77767</post-id>	</item>
		<item>

                <!-- DCH Modify the title to give the category (quote author) at the beginning of it. -->
		<title>Omar Khayyam -- Rubáiyát [رباعیات], Cal. #  26 [tr. Whinfield (1883), # 100]</title>
		<link>https://wist.info/omar-khayyam/73531/</link>
		<comments>https://wist.info/omar-khayyam/73531/#respond</comments>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Dec 2024 20:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Omar Khayyam]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[condemnation]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[creation]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[culpability]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[damnation]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[hell]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[predestination]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[responsibility]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[sin]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">https://wist.info/?p=73531</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[When Allah mixed my clay, He knew full well My future acts, and could each one foretell; Without His will no act of mine was wrought; Is it then just to punish me in hell? This quatrain is in the Calcutta manuscript, but not the Bodleian. Alternate translations: What! out of senseless Nothing to provoke [&#8230;]]]></description>
        <!-- DCH Insert author info (category description) then (Source) and then put the extra info (MORE) below that. -->
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Allah mixed my clay, He knew full well<br />
My future acts, and could each one foretell;<br />
<span class="tab">Without His will no act of mine was wrought;<br />
Is it then just to punish me in hell?</span></p>
<br><b>Omar Khayyám </b> (1048-1123) Persian poet, mathematician, philosopher, astronomer [عمر خیام]<br><i>Rubáiyát</i> [رباعیات], Cal. #  26 [tr. Whinfield (1883), # 100] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Quatrains_of_Omar_Khayyam_(tr._Whinfield,_1883)/Quatrains_1-100#:~:text=When%20Allah%20mixed%20my%20clay%2C%20He%20knew%20full%20well%0AMy%20future%20acts%2C%20and%20could%20each%20one%20foretell%3B%0A%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0Without%20His%20will%20no%20act%20of%20mine%20was%20wrought%3B%0AIs%20it%20then%20just%20to%20punish%20me%20in%20hell%3F" target="_blank">Source</a>)
										<br><br><span class="cite">
						

This quatrain is in the Calcutta manuscript, but not the Bodleian.<br><br>

Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>What! out of senseless Nothing to provoke<br>
A conscious Something to resent the yoke<br>
<span class="tab">Of unpermitted Pleasure, under pain<br>
Of Everlasting Penalties, if broke!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Rubaiyat_of_Omar_Khayyam_(tr._Fitzgerald,_2nd_edition)#:~:text=What!%20out%20of%20senseless%20Nothing%20to%20provoke%0AA%20conscious%20Something%20to%20resent%20the%20yoke%0AOf%20unpermitted%20Pleasure%2C%20under%20pain%0AOf%20Everlasting%20Penalties%2C%20if%20broke!">FitzGerald, 2nd ed.</a> (1868), # 84; # 78 for <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Rubaiyat_of_Omar_Khayyam_(tr._Fitzgerald,_3rd_edition)#:~:text=What!%20out%20of%20senseless%20Nothing%20to%20provoke%0AA%20conscious%20Something%20to%20resent%20the%20yoke%0AOf%20unpermitted%20Pleasure%2C%20under%20pain%0AOf%20Everlasting%20Penalties%2C%20if%20broke!">3rd</a>, <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Rubaiyat_of_Omar_Khayyam_(tr._Fitzgerald,_4th_edition)#:~:text=What!%20out%20of%20senseless%20Nothing%20to%20provoke%0A%C2%A0A%20conscious%20Something%20to%20resent%20the%20yoke%0A%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0Of%20unpermitted%20Pleasure%2C%20under%20pain%0A%C2%A0Of%20Everlasting%20Penalties%2C%20if%20broke!">4th</a>, and <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Rubaiyat_of_Omar_Khayyam_(tr._Fitzgerald,_5th_edition)#:~:text=%C2%A0What!%20out%20of%20senseless%20Nothing%20to%20provoke%0A%C2%A0A%20conscious%20Something%20to%20resent%20the%20yoke%0A%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0Of%20unpermitted%20Pleasure%2C%20under%20pain%0A%C2%A0Of%20Everlasting%20Penalties%2C%20if%20broke!">5th</a> editions]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>When God built up my body out of clay, he knew beforehand the fruit of all my deeds. It is not in defiance of his will that I a sinner have sinned. Why then for me does nether hell await?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/rubaiyatofomarkh01omar/page/152/mode/2up?q=%22When+God+built+up+my+body%22">McCarthy</a> (1879), # 112] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>When Allah mixed my clay, He knew full well<br>
My future acts, and could each one foretell;<br>
<span class="tab">'Twas he who did my sins predestinate,<br>
Yet thinks it just to punish me in hell.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/rubaiyatofomarkh01omar/page/150/mode/2up?q=%22last+two+lines+of+Whinfield%22">Whinfield</a> (1882), # 46]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>'Twas Allah who engraved upon my Clay<br>
The Laws I was thereafter to obey, <br>
<span class="tab">And will He cast me into Raging Fire, <br>
Because my Actions answer to His Sway?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/rubaiyatofomarkh01omar/page/152/mode/2up?q=%22%27Tvvas+Allah+who+engraved%22">Garner</a> (1887), 4.5]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Almighty Potter, on whose wheel of blue<br>
The world is fashioned and is broken too,<br>
<span class="tab">Why to the race of men is heaven so dire?<br>
In what, O wheel, have I offended you?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Rub%C3%A1iy%C3%A1t_of_Omar_Khayy%C3%A1m_(Le_Gallienne)/Rub%C3%A1iy%C3%A1t_of_Omar_Khayy%C3%A1m#:~:text=Almighty%20Potter%2C%20on%20whose%20wheel%20of%20blue%0AThe%20world%20is%20fashioned%20and%20is%20broken%20too%2C%0AWhy%20to%20the%20race%20of%20men%20is%20heaven%20so%20dire%3F%0AIn%20what%2C%20O%20wheel%2C%20have%20I%20offended%20you%3F">Le Gallienne</a> (1897)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>God, when He mixed and moulded our being's clay,<br>
Had e'en foreknowledge of all we should do and say;<br>
<span class="tab">Without His order no sin of mine was aye;<br>
Then why should He doom me to burn on the Judgment Day?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://rubaiyatconcordance.org/the-calcutta-quatrains/translations-1---100/nr-26.html#:~:text=God%2C%20when%20He%20mixed%20and%20moulded%20our%20being%27s%20clay%2C%0AHad%20e%27en%20foreknowledge%20of%20all%20we%20should%20do%20and%20say%3B%0AWithout%20His%20order%20no%20sin%20of%20mine%20was%20aye%3B%0AThen%20why%20should%20He%20doom%20me%20to%20burn%20on%20the%20Judgment%20Day%3F">Payne</a> (1898), # 190]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>God, when he fashioned the clay of my body<br>
Knew by my making what would come from it<br>
<span class="tab">(Since) there is no sin of mine without his knowledge<br>
Why should he seek to burn me at the day of resurrection?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://rubaiyatconcordance.org/the-calcutta-manuscript/heron-allens-translation/index.html#:~:text=God%2C%20when%20he%20fashioned%20the%20clay%20of%20my%20body%0AKnew%20by%20my%20making%20what%20would%20come%20from%20it%0A(Since)%20there%20is%20no%20sin%20of%20mine%20without%20his%20knowledge%0AWhy%20should%20he%20seek%20to%20burn%20me%20at%20the%20day%20of%20resurrection%3F">Heron-Allen</a> (1897), "# 26=85" Calcutta] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>God, when he fashioned the clay of my body,<br>
Knew by my making what would come of it;<br>
<span class="tab">(Since) there is no sin of mine without his order<br>
Why should he seek to burn me at the Day of Resurrection?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://rubaiyatconcordance.org/the-calcutta-manuscript/heron-allens-translation/index.html#:~:text=God%2C%20when%20he%20fashioned%20the%20clay%20of%20my%20body%0AKnew%20by%20my%20making%20what%20would%20come%20from%20it%0A(Since)%20there%20is%20no%20sin%20of%20mine%20without%20his%20knowledge%0AWhy%20should%20he%20seek%20to%20burn%20me%20at%20the%20day%20of%20resurrection%3F">Heron-Allen</a> (1899), #78a, Calcutta]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>When God of our existence shaped the clay.<br>
He knew our actions would be as His sway;<br>
<span class="tab">Without His mandate was no sin of mine,<br>
Then why doom me to burn on Judgment Day?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://rubaiyatconcordance.org/the-calcutta-quatrains/translations-1---100/nr-26.html#:~:text=When%20God%20of%20our%20existence%20shaped%20the%20clay.%0AHe%20knew%20our%20actions%20would%20be%20as%20His%20sway%3B%0AWithout%20His%20mandate%20was%20no%20sin%20of%20mine%2C%0AThen%20why%20doom%20me%20to%20burn%20on%20Judgment%20Day%3F">Thompson</a> (1906), # 148]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>When, bending low, God moulded me from clay,<br>
Incontrovertibly my life was ordered:<br>
Without his order I abstain from crime.<br>
Why should I burn, then, on His Judgement Day?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/originalrubaiyya00omar/page/68/mode/2up?q=%22bending+low%22">Graves & Ali-Shah</a> (1967), # 82]</blockquote><br>

 


						</span>
					]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>https://wist.info/omar-khayyam/73531/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>0</slash:comments>
	<post-id xmlns="com-wordpress:feed-additions:1">73531</post-id>	</item>
		<item>

                <!-- DCH Modify the title to give the category (quote author) at the beginning of it. -->
		<title>Hawking, Stephen -- &#8220;Is Everything Determined?&#8221; lecture, Sigma Club Seminar, Cambridge University (1990-04)</title>
		<link>https://wist.info/hawking-stephen/68309/</link>
		<comments>https://wist.info/hawking-stephen/68309/#respond</comments>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Apr 2024 22:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Hawking, Stephen]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[certainty]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[destiny]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[determinism]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[fate]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[free will]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[predestination]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">https://wist.info/?p=68309</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[It may be that everything we do is determined by some grand unified theory. If that theory has determined that we shall die by hanging, then we shall not drown. But you would have to be awfully sure that you were destined for the gallows to put to sea in a small boat during a [&#8230;]]]></description>
        <!-- DCH Insert author info (category description) then (Source) and then put the extra info (MORE) below that. -->
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may be that everything we do is determined by some grand unified theory. If that theory has determined that we shall die by hanging, then we shall not drown. But you would have to be awfully sure that you were destined for the gallows to put to sea in a small boat during a storm. I have noticed that even people who claim that everything is predestined and that we can do nothing to change it look before they cross the road. Maybe it’s just that those who don’t look don’t survive to tell the tale.</p>
<br><b>Stephen Hawking</b> (1942-2018) English physicist, author<br>&#8220;Is Everything Determined?&#8221; lecture, Sigma Club Seminar, Cambridge University (1990-04) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/blackholesandbabyuniversesandotheressaysstephenhawking1994/page/n135/mode/2up?q=%22cross+the+road%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
										<br><br><span class="cite">
						

Reprinted in <i>Black Holes and Baby Universes, and Other Essays</i>, ch. 12 (1994). Hawking's thesis that the universe is actually deterministic, but too complex to be predictable, so acting as though free will exists is useful socially and, like fluid dynamics equations, satisfactory for most purposes.						</span>
					]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>https://wist.info/hawking-stephen/68309/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>0</slash:comments>
	<post-id xmlns="com-wordpress:feed-additions:1">68309</post-id>	</item>
		<item>

                <!-- DCH Modify the title to give the category (quote author) at the beginning of it. -->
		<title>Bronte, Anne -- &#8220;A Word to Calvinists&#8221; (28 May 1843)</title>
		<link>https://wist.info/bronte-anne/36121/</link>
		<comments>https://wist.info/bronte-anne/36121/#respond</comments>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2017 16:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Bronte, Anne]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[afterlife]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Calvinism]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Christianity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[cruelty]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[damnation]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[divine justice]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[elect]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[heaven]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[hell]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[predestination]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[salvation]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wist.info/?p=36121</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[And, when you, looking on your fellow men Behold them doomed to endless misery, How can you talk of joy and rapture then? May God withhold such cruel joy from me!]]></description>
        <!-- DCH Insert author info (category description) then (Source) and then put the extra info (MORE) below that. -->
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, when you, looking on your fellow men<br />
Behold them doomed to endless misery,<br />
How can you talk of joy and rapture then?<br />
May God withhold such cruel joy from me!</p>
<br><b>Anne Brontë</b> (1820-1849) British novelist, poet [pseud. Acton Bell]<br>&#8220;A Word to Calvinists&#8221; (28 May 1843) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/A_Word_to_the_Calvinists" target="_blank">Source</a>)
				]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>https://wist.info/bronte-anne/36121/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>0</slash:comments>
	<post-id xmlns="com-wordpress:feed-additions:1">36121</post-id>	</item>
		<item>

                <!-- DCH Modify the title to give the category (quote author) at the beginning of it. -->
		<title>Bronte, Anne -- &#8220;A Word to Calvinists&#8221; (28 May 1843)</title>
		<link>https://wist.info/bronte-anne/35992/</link>
		<comments>https://wist.info/bronte-anne/35992/#respond</comments>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2017 19:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Bronte, Anne]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Calvinism]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Christianity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[condemnation]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[damnation]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[elect]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[God]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[grace]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[heaven]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[hell]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[intolerance]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[judgment]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[predestination]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[salvation]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wist.info/?p=35992</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[You may rejoice to think yourselves secure, You may be grateful for the gift divine, That grace unsought which made your black hearts pure And fits your earthborn souls in Heaven to shine. But is it sweet to look around and view Thousands excluded from that happiness, Which they deserve at least as much as [&#8230;]]]></description>
        <!-- DCH Insert author info (category description) then (Source) and then put the extra info (MORE) below that. -->
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may rejoice to think yourselves secure,<br />
You may be grateful for the gift divine,<br />
That grace unsought which made your black hearts pure<br />
And fits your earthborn souls in Heaven to shine.<br />
But is it sweet to look around and view<br />
Thousands excluded from that happiness,<br />
Which they deserve at least as much as you,<br />
Their faults not greater nor their virtues less?</p>
<br><b>Anne Brontë</b> (1820-1849) British novelist, poet [pseud. Acton Bell]<br>&#8220;A Word to Calvinists&#8221; (28 May 1843) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/A_Word_to_the_Calvinists" target="_blank">Source</a>)
				]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>https://wist.info/bronte-anne/35992/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>0</slash:comments>
	<post-id xmlns="com-wordpress:feed-additions:1">35992</post-id>	</item>
		<item>

                <!-- DCH Modify the title to give the category (quote author) at the beginning of it. -->
		<title>Pratchett, Terry -- Discworld No. 32, A Hat Full of Sky [Miss Level] (2004)</title>
		<link>https://wist.info/pratchett-terry/30793/</link>
		<comments>https://wist.info/pratchett-terry/30793/#respond</comments>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2015 13:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Pratchett, Terry]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[choice]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[circumstances]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[destiny]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[free will]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[freedom]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[ideal]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[practical]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[pragmatic]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[predestination]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[purpose]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[random]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[reaction]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[reality]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wist.info/?p=30793</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[There isn&#8217;t a way things should be. There’s just what happens, and what we do.]]></description>
        <!-- DCH Insert author info (category description) then (Source) and then put the extra info (MORE) below that. -->
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There isn&#8217;t a way things should be. There’s just what happens, and what we do.</p>
<br><b>Terry Pratchett</b> (1948-2015) English author<br>Discworld No. 32, <i>A Hat Full of Sky</i> [Miss Level] (2004) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/hatfullofsky00prat/page/86/mode/2up?q=%22just+what+happens%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
				]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>https://wist.info/pratchett-terry/30793/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>0</slash:comments>
	<post-id xmlns="com-wordpress:feed-additions:1">30793</post-id>	</item>
		<item>

                <!-- DCH Modify the title to give the category (quote author) at the beginning of it. -->
		<title>Waid, Mark -- Daredevil, Vol. 4, #10 (Nov 2014)</title>
		<link>https://wist.info/waid-mark/29144/</link>
		<comments>https://wist.info/waid-mark/29144/#respond</comments>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2015 12:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Waid, Mark]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[comic books]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[evil]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[fate]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[label]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[name]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[predestination]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[villain]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wist.info/?p=29144</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[KIRSTEN: Do you figure his parents just assumed he’d grow up to be evil when they named him &#8220;Zebediah Killgrave&#8221;? MATT: Yeah, we call that the “Victor Von Doom” Paradox.]]></description>
        <!-- DCH Insert author info (category description) then (Source) and then put the extra info (MORE) below that. -->
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KIRSTEN: Do you figure his parents just assumed he’d grow up to be evil when they named him &#8220;Zebediah Killgrave&#8221;?</p>
<p>MATT: Yeah, we call that the “Victor Von Doom” Paradox.</p>
<br><b>Mark Waid</b> (b. 1962) American comic book writer, editor<br><i>Daredevil</i>, Vol. 4, #10 (Nov 2014) 
								]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>https://wist.info/waid-mark/29144/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>0</slash:comments>
	<post-id xmlns="com-wordpress:feed-additions:1">29144</post-id>	</item>
		<item>

                <!-- DCH Modify the title to give the category (quote author) at the beginning of it. -->
		<title>Scalzi, John -- The Ghost Brigades, ch. 13 (2006)</title>
		<link>https://wist.info/scalzi-john/26837/</link>
		<comments>https://wist.info/scalzi-john/26837/#respond</comments>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2014 12:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Scalzi, John]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[destiny]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Eve]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Genesis]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[God]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[omnipotence]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[omnipotent]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[original sin]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[predestination]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[temptation]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[the fall]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wist.info/?p=26837</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[She was temptable &#8212; which, if you believe in an all-powerful God, means God intentionally put temptation into Eve. Which seems like a dirty trick, if you ask me.]]></description>
        <!-- DCH Insert author info (category description) then (Source) and then put the extra info (MORE) below that. -->
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She was temptable &#8212; which, if you believe in an all-powerful God, means God intentionally put temptation into Eve. Which seems like a dirty trick, if you ask me.</p>
<br><b>John Scalzi</b> (b. 1969) American writer<br><i>The Ghost Brigades</i>, ch. 13 (2006) 
								]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>https://wist.info/scalzi-john/26837/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>0</slash:comments>
	<post-id xmlns="com-wordpress:feed-additions:1">26837</post-id>	</item>
		<item>

                <!-- DCH Modify the title to give the category (quote author) at the beginning of it. -->
		<title>Marcus Aurelius -- Meditations [To Himself; Τὰ εἰς ἑαυτόν], Book 12, ch. 14 (12.14) (AD 161-180) [tr. Staniforth (1964)]</title>
		<link>https://wist.info/marcus-aureleus/20686/</link>
		<comments>https://wist.info/marcus-aureleus/20686/#respond</comments>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Mar 2013 10:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Marcus Aurelius]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[adaptability]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[chaos]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[destiny]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[doom]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[fate]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[get along]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[God]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[inevitability]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[intelligence]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[meaning of life]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[mind]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[order]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[prayer]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[predestination]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[providence]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[self-control]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[universe]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[world]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[worthiness]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wist.info/?p=20686</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[There is a doom inexorable and a law inviolable, or there is a providence that can be merciful, or else there is a chaos that is purposeless and ungoverned. If a resistless fate, why try to struggle against it? If a providence willing to show mercy, do your best to deserve its divine succour. If [&#8230;]]]></description>
        <!-- DCH Insert author info (category description) then (Source) and then put the extra info (MORE) below that. -->
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a doom inexorable and a law inviolable, or there is a providence that can be merciful, or else there is a chaos that is purposeless and ungoverned. If a resistless fate, why try to struggle against it? If a providence willing to show mercy, do your best to deserve its divine succour. If a chaos undirected, give thanks that amid such stormy seas you have within you a mind at the helm. </p>
<p>[Ἤτοι ἀνάγκη εἱμαρμένης καὶ ἀπαράβατος τάξις ἢ πρόνοια ἱλάσιμος ἢ φυρμὸς εἰκαιότητος ἀπροστάτητος. εἰ μὲν οὖν ἀπαράβατος ἀνάγκη, τί ἀντιτείνεις; εἰ δὲ πρόνοια ἐπιδεχομένη τὸ ἱλάσκεσθαι, ἄξιον σαυτὸν ποίησον τῆς ἐκ τοῦ θείου βοηθείας. εἰ δὲ φυρμὸς ἀνηγεμόνευτος, ἀσμένιζε ὅτι ἐν τοιούτῳ κλύδωνι αὐτὸς ἔχεις ἐν σαυτῷ τινα νοῦν ἡγεμονικόν.]</p>
<br><b>Marcus Aurelius</b> (AD 121-180) Roman emperor (161-180), Stoic philosopher<br><i>Meditations [To Himself; Τὰ εἰς ἑαυτόν]</i>, Book 12, ch. 14 (12.14) (AD 161-180) [tr. Staniforth (1964)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/meditations0000marc_g6h3/page/182/mode/2up?q=%22doom+inexorable%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
										<br><br><span class="cite">
						

<a href="http://data.perseus.org/citations/urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0562.tlg001.perseus-grc1:12.14.1">Original Greek</a>. Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>Either fate, (and that either an absolute necessity, and unavoidable decree; or a placable and flexible Providence) or all is a mere casual confusion, void of all order and government. If an absolute and unavoidable necessity, why doest thou resist? If a placable and exorable Providence, make thyself worthy of the divine help and assistance. If all be a mere confusion without any moderator, or governor, then hast thou reason to congratulate thyself; that in such a general flood of confusion thou thyself hast obtained a reasonable faculty, whereby thou mayest govern thine own life and actions.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Marcus_Aurelius_Antoninus_-_His_Meditations_concerning_himselfe#THE_TWELFTH_BOOK:~:text=Either%20fate%2C%20(and%20that%20either%20an,govern%20thine%20own%20life%20and%20actions.">Casaubon</a> (1634), #11]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Either the Order of Things are fixed by irrevocable Fate, or <i>Providence</i> may be worked into Compassion, or else the World Floats at Random without any Steerage. Now if nature lies under immovable Necessity, to what purpose should you struggle against it? If the favor of <i>Providence</i> is to be gained, qualify your self for the Divine Assistance: But if Chance, and Confusion carry it, and no body sits at the Helm; be you contented and Ride out the Storm patiently, for you have a Governor within you , though the World has none.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Emperor_Marcus_Antoninus_His_Convers/vhW8otrnAwsC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22either%20the%20order%20of%20things%22&pg=PA381&printsec=frontcover">Collier</a> (1701)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>There is either a fatal necessity, and an unalterably fixed order; or a kind and benign providence; or a blind confusion, without a governor. If there be an unalterable necessity, why strive against it? If there is a kind providence, which can be appeased; make yourself worthy of the divine aids. If there is an ungoverned confusion; yet compose yourself with this, that, amidst these tempestuous waves, you have a presiding intelligence within yourself. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/457829267955022580052/page/n179/mode/2up?q=%22either+a+fatal+necessity%22">Hutcheson/Moor</a> (1742)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Either all things are fixed by a fatal necessity and an inviolable order; or they are governed by a benevolent providence; or they proceed at random, without any one to direct them.<br>
<span class="tab">Now, if there be an immutable necessity, why do we struggle against it? If a kind and merciful Providence presides, make yourself worthy of the divine assistance: if the world is all confusion, without any one to conduct it, comfort yourself however that, amidst these tempestuous waves, you have an intelligent guide within your breast.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_meditations_of_Marcus_Aurelius_Anton/3uQIAAAAQAAJ?gbpv=1&bsq=%22either%20all%20things%20are%22">Graves</a> (1792)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Either there is a fatal necessity and invincible order, or a kind providence, or a confusion without a purpose and without a director. If then there is an invincible necessity, why dost thou resist? But if there is a providence which allows itself to be propitiated, make thyself worthy of the help of the divinity. But if there is a confusion without a governor, be content that in such a tempest thou hast in thyself a certain ruling intelligence.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Thoughts_of_the_Emperor_Marcus_Aurelius_Antoninus/Book_XII#cite_ref-2:~:text=Either%20there%20is%20a%20fatal%20necessity,in%20thyself%20a%20certain%20ruling%20intelligence.">Long</a> (1862)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Either the order of things is fixed by irrevocable fate, or providence may be worked into compassion, or else the world floats at random without any steerage. Now if nature lies under an immovable necessity, to what purpose should you struggle against it? If the favor of providence is to be gained, qualify yourself for divine assistance; but if chance and confusion prevail, be you contented that in such a storm you have a governing intelligence within you.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Meditations_of_Marcus_Aurelius/5qcAEZZibB0C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22either%20the%20order%20of%20things%22&pg=PA201&printsec=frontcover">Collier/Zimmern</a> (1887)]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>Either fixed necessity and inviolable order, or a merciful providence, or a random and ungoverned medley.  If an inviolable necessity, why resist? If a providence waiting to be merciful, make yourself worthy of divine aid. If a chaos uncontrolled, be thankful that amid the wild waters you have yourself an Inner governing mind. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Marcus_Aurelius_Antoninus_to_Himself/0X2BxfXnXKcC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22either%20fixed%20necessity%22">Rendall</a> (1898)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>There is either a fatal necessity, an unalterable order, or a placable Providence, or a blind confusion without a governor. If there be an unalterable necessity, why strive against it? If there be a Providence admitting of propitiation, make yourself worthy of the divine aid. If there be an ungoverned confusion, be comforted; seeing that in this tempest you have within yourself a guiding intelligence.<br> 
[tr. <a href="https://gutenberg.org/cache/epub/55317/pg55317-images.html#:~:text=There%20is%20either%20a%20fatal,it%20will%20not%20carry%20away.">Hutcheson/Chrystal</a> (1902)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>There must be either a predestined Necessity and inviolable plan, or a gracious Providence, or a chaos without design or director. If then there be an inevitable Necessity, why kick against the pricks? If a Providence that is ready to be gracious, render thyself worthy of divine succour. But if a chaos without guide, congratulate thyself that amid such a surging sea thou hast a guiding Reason. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://sites.google.com/site/thestoiclife/the_teachers/maurcus-aurelius/meditations/12#h.p_ID_64:~:text=There%20must%20be%20either%20a%20predestined,hast%20in%20thyself%20a%20guiding%20Reason.">Haines</a> (Loeb) (1916)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Either the Necessity of destiny and an order none may transgress, or Providence that hears intercession, or an ungoverned welter without a purpose. If then a Necessity which none may transgress, why do you resist? If a Providence admitting intercession, make yourself worthy of assistance from the Godhead. If an undirected welter, be glad that in so great a flood of waves you have yourself within you a directing mind.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Meditations_of_the_Emperor_Marcus_Antoninus/Book_12#pageindex_333:~:text=Either%20the%20Necessity%20of%20destiny%20and,yourself%20within%20you%20a%20directing%20mind">Farquharson</a> (1944)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Either an ineluctable destiny and an order that none may overstep, or a providence that can be appeased, or an ungoverned confusion subject to nothing but chance.   If, then, an inexorable necessity, why struggle against it? If a providence that allows itself to be appeased, make yourself worthy of aid from the divine. And if an ungoverned confusion, be glad that in such a swirl you have a mind that provides leadership.<br>
[tr. Hard (<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Meditations/FIWPyMOc9IwC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22ineluctable%20destiny%20and%22">1997</a> ed.; <a href="https://archive.org/details/meditations0000marc_m5f0/page/116/mode/2up?q=%22ineluctable+destiny+and%22">2011</a> ed.)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Fatal necessity, and inescapable order. Or benevolent Providence. Or confusion -- random and undirected. <br>
<span class="tab">If it's an inescapable necessity, why resist it? <br>
<span class="tab">If it's Providence, admits of being worshipped, then try to be worthy of God's aid.<br>
<span class="tab">If it's confusion and anarchy, then be grateful that on this raging sea you have a mind to guide you.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/meditation-GeorgeHays/page/n267/mode/2up?q=%22fatal+necessity%22">Hays</a> (2003)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Either the compulsion of destiny and an order allowing no deviation, or a providence open to prayer, or a random welter without direction. Now if undeviating compulsion, why resist it? If a providence admitting the placation of prayer, make yourself worthy of divine assistance. If an ungoverned welter, be glad that in such a maelstrom you have within yourself a directing mind of your own.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/marcus-aurelius-emperor-of-rome-martin-hammond-diskin-clay-meditations/page/117/mode/2up?q=%22compulsion+of+destiny+and%22">Hammond</a> (2006)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Either predetermined necessity and unalterable cosmic order, or a gracious providence, or a chaotic ungoverned mixture. If a predetermined necessity, why do you resist? If it is a gracious Providence that can hear our prayers, then make yourself worthy of divine assistance. If a chaotic ungoverned mixture, be satisfied that in the midst of this storm, you have within yourself a mind whose nature it is to govern and command. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/essentialmarcusa0000marc/page/92/mode/2up?q=%22predetermined+necessity%22">Needleman/Piazza</a> (2008)]</blockquote><br>
						</span>
					]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>https://wist.info/marcus-aureleus/20686/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>0</slash:comments>
	<post-id xmlns="com-wordpress:feed-additions:1">20686</post-id>	</item>
		<item>

                <!-- DCH Modify the title to give the category (quote author) at the beginning of it. -->
		<title>Ingersoll, Robert Green -- &#8220;What Must We Do To Be Saved?&#8221; Sec. 11 (1880)</title>
		<link>https://wist.info/ingersoll-robert-green/16557/</link>
		<comments>https://wist.info/ingersoll-robert-green/16557/#respond</comments>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 15:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Ingersoll, Robert Green]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[afterlife]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Christianity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[damnation]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[death]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[elect]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[eternal life]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[hope]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[predestination]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[religion]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[salvation]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wist.info/?p=16557</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[As long as we love we will hope to live, and when the one dies that we love we will say: &#8220;Oh, that we could meet again,&#8221; and whether we do or not it will not be the work of theology. It will be a fact in nature. I would not for my life destroy [&#8230;]]]></description>
        <!-- DCH Insert author info (category description) then (Source) and then put the extra info (MORE) below that. -->
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as we love we will hope to live, and when the one dies that we love we will say: &#8220;Oh, that we could meet again,&#8221; and whether we do or not it will not be the work of theology. It will be a fact in nature. I would not for my life destroy one star of human hope, but I want it so that when a poor woman rocks the cradle and sings a lullaby to the dimpled darling, she will not be compelled to believe that ninety-nine chances in a hundred she is raising kindling wood for hell.</p>
<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833-1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>&#8220;What Must We Do To Be Saved?&#8221; Sec. 11 (1880) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="http://www.sacred-texts.com/aor/ing/vol01/i0110.htm" target="_blank">Source</a>)
				]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>https://wist.info/ingersoll-robert-green/16557/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>0</slash:comments>
	<post-id xmlns="com-wordpress:feed-additions:1">16557</post-id>	</item>
		<item>

                <!-- DCH Modify the title to give the category (quote author) at the beginning of it. -->
		<title>Ingersoll, Robert Green -- &#8220;What Must We Do To Be Saved?&#8221; Sec.  9 (1880)</title>
		<link>https://wist.info/ingersoll-robert-green/16194/</link>
		<comments>https://wist.info/ingersoll-robert-green/16194/#respond</comments>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 11:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Ingersoll, Robert Green]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[afterlife]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Christianity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[console]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[damnation]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[death]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[eternity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[heaven]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[hell]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[predestination]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[salvation]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wist.info/?p=16194</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Heaven is where those are we love, and those who love us. And I wish to go to no world unless I can be accompanied by those who love me here. Talk about the consolations of this infamous doctrine. The consolations of a doctrine that makes a father say, &#8220;I can be happy with my [&#8230;]]]></description>
        <!-- DCH Insert author info (category description) then (Source) and then put the extra info (MORE) below that. -->
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heaven is where those are we love, and those who love us. And I wish to go to no world unless I can be accompanied by those who love me here. Talk about the consolations of this infamous doctrine. The consolations of a doctrine that makes a father say, &#8220;I can be happy with my daughter in hell;&#8221; that makes a mother say, &#8220;I can be happy with my generous, brave boy in hell;&#8221; that makes a boy say, &#8220;I can enjoy the glory of heaven with the woman who bore me, the woman who would have died for me, in eternal agony.&#8221; And they call that tidings of great joy.</p>
<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833-1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>&#8220;What Must We Do To Be Saved?&#8221; Sec.  9 (1880) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="http://www.sacred-texts.com/aor/ing/vol01/i0110.htm" target="_blank">Source</a>)
				]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>https://wist.info/ingersoll-robert-green/16194/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>0</slash:comments>
	<post-id xmlns="com-wordpress:feed-additions:1">16194</post-id>	</item>
		<item>

                <!-- DCH Modify the title to give the category (quote author) at the beginning of it. -->
		<title>Ingersoll, Robert Green -- &#8220;What Must We Do to Be Saved?&#8221; Sec. 11 (1880)</title>
		<link>https://wist.info/ingersoll-robert-green/8836/</link>
		<comments>https://wist.info/ingersoll-robert-green/8836/#respond</comments>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Ingersoll, Robert Green]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[afterlife]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[child]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[damnation]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[hope]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[love]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[mother]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[predestination]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[reunited]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[salvation]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wist.info/?p=8836</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[As long as we love we will hope to live, and when the one dies that we love we will say: &#8220;Oh, that we could meet again,&#8221; and whether we do or not it will not be the work of theology. It will be a fact in nature. I would not for my life destroy [&#8230;]]]></description>
        <!-- DCH Insert author info (category description) then (Source) and then put the extra info (MORE) below that. -->
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as we love we will hope to live, and when the one dies that we love we will say: &#8220;Oh, that we could meet again,&#8221; and whether we do or not it will not be the work of theology. It will be a fact in nature. I would not for my life destroy one star of human hope, but I want it so that when a poor woman rocks the cradle and sings a lullaby to the dimpled darling, she will not be compelled to believe that ninety-nine chances in a hundred she is raising kindling wood for hell.</p>
<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833-1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>&#8220;What Must We Do to Be Saved?&#8221; Sec. 11 (1880) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="http://www.sacred-texts.com/aor/ing/vol01/i0110.htm" target="_blank">Source</a>)
				]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>https://wist.info/ingersoll-robert-green/8836/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>0</slash:comments>
	<post-id xmlns="com-wordpress:feed-additions:1">8836</post-id>	</item>
		<item>

                <!-- DCH Modify the title to give the category (quote author) at the beginning of it. -->
		<title>Einstein, Albert -- &#8220;What Life Means to Einstein,&#8221; Interview with G. Viereck, Saturday Evening Post (26 Oct 1929)</title>
		<link>https://wist.info/einstein-albert/6495/</link>
		<comments>https://wist.info/einstein-albert/6495/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Einstein, Albert]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[civilization]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[destiny]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[free will]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[predestination]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[responsibility]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[society]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wist.info/wp/?p=6495</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Practically, I am, nevertheless, compelled to act as if freedom of the will existed. If I wish to live in a civilized community, I must act as if man is a responsible being. I know that philosophically a murderer is not responsible for his crime; nevertheless, I must protect myself from unpleasant contacts. I may [&#8230;]]]></description>
        <!-- DCH Insert author info (category description) then (Source) and then put the extra info (MORE) below that. -->
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Practically, I am, nevertheless, compelled to act as if freedom of the will existed. If I wish to live in a civilized community, I must act as if man is a responsible being. I know that philosophically a murderer is not responsible for his crime; nevertheless, I must protect myself from unpleasant contacts. I may consider him guiltless, but I prefer not to take tea with him.</p>
<br><b>Albert Einstein</b> (1879-1955) German-American physicist<br>&#8220;What Life Means to Einstein,&#8221; Interview with G. Viereck, <i>Saturday Evening Post</i> (26 Oct 1929) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="http://www.saturdayeveningpost.com/wp-content/uploads/satevepost/what_life_means_to_einstein.pdf" target="_blank">Source</a>)
										<br><br><span class="cite">
						

<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Einstein/x7vaDgAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22compelled%20to%20act%20as%20if%20free%20will%22&pg=PA392&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22compelled%20to%20act%20as%20if%20free%20will%22">Edited</a> as "I am compelled to act as if free will existed, because if I wish to live in a civilized society I must act responsibly. I know that philosophically a murderer is not responsible for his crime, but I prefer not to take tea with him," in Viereck, <i>Glimpses of the Great</i> (1930).						</span>
					]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>https://wist.info/einstein-albert/6495/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>2</slash:comments>
	<post-id xmlns="com-wordpress:feed-additions:1">6495</post-id>	</item>
	</channel>
</rss>
