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		<title>Catullus -- Carmina #  64 &#8220;The Nuptuals of Peleus and Thetis,&#8221; ll. 144-149 [tr. Lamb (1821)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Then let no woman hence in man believe, Or think a lover speaks but to deceive. He, while ungratified desire is high, Shrinks from no oath, no promise will deny; Soon as his lust is satiate with its prize, He spurns his vows and perjury&#8217;s curse defies. &#160; [Nunc iam nulla viro iuranti femina credat, [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then let no woman hence in man believe,<br />
<span class="tab">Or think a lover speaks but to deceive.<br />
He, while ungratified desire is high,<br />
<span class="tab">Shrinks from no oath, no promise will deny;<br />
Soon as his lust is satiate with its prize,<br />
<span class="tab">He spurns his vows and perjury&#8217;s curse defies.<br />
&nbsp;<br />
<em>[Nunc iam nulla viro iuranti femina credat,<br />
nulla viri speret sermones esse fideles;<br />
quis dum aliquid cupiens animus praegestit apisci,<br />
nil metuunt iurare, nihil promittere parcunt:<br />
sed simul ac cupidae mentis satiata libido est,<br />
dicta nihil metuere, nihil periuria curant.]</em></span></span></span></p>
<br><b>Catullus</b> (c. 84 BC – c. 54 BC) Latin poet [Gaius Valerius Catullus]<br>Carmina #  64 &#8220;The Nuptuals of Peleus and Thetis,&#8221; ll. 144-149 [tr. Lamb (1821)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_poems_of_Caius_Valerius_Catullus_tr/j10UAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22no%20woman%20hence%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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Ariadne lamenting Theseus' faithlessness.<br><br>

(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0003%3Apoem%3D64#:~:text=nunc%20iam%20nulla%20viro%20iuranti%20femina%20credat%2C%0Anulla%20viri%20speret%20sermones%20esse%20fideles%3A%0Aquis%20dum%20aliquid%20cupiens%20animus%20praegestit%20apisci%2C%0Anil%20metuunt%20iurare%2C%20nihil%20promittere%20parcunt%3A%0Ased%20simul%20ac%20cupidae%20mentis%20satiata%20libido%20est%2C%0Adicta%20nihil%20meminere%2C%20nihil%20periuria%20curant.">Source (Latin)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">Hear this, and wisdom learn, ye witless fair!<br>
Ne'er let false man with empty oaths deceive,<br>
<span class="tab">No protestations of the sex believe!<br>
Is there a wish their ardent souls would gain;<br>
<span class="tab">they swear, they promise, and at length obtain;<br>
The wish obtain'd, they fearless break their word,<br>
<span class="tab">Nor plighted faith, nor solemn vows regard.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc2.ark:/13960/t6154g976&seq=294&q1=%22let+false+man%22">Nott</a> (1795), # 61; ll. 173ff.]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Henceforth let woman; never trust the oaths that man shall make, <br>
<span class="tab">Nor ever more his honeyed speech within her bosom take! <br>
While yet the fire of his desire is hot within his breast, <br>
<span class="tab">What will he not to woman swear, to heav'n what not protest?<br>
But let her in an evil hour resign her maiden trust,<br>
<span class="tab">And yield the blossom of her youth to sate his selfish lust,<br>
Then what recks he of lavish oath, or vow, or whisper'd pray'r?<br>
<span class="tab">He triumphs in his perjuries, and spurns at her despair.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31175007358511&seq=124&q1=%22henceforth+let+woman%22">T. Martin</a> (1861)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Henceforth let never woman trust an oath than man shall swear,<br>
<span class="tab">Nor count the tender speeches true his lying lips declare:<br>
For when with lusting soul he yearns some object to enjoy,<br>
<span class="tab">No oath, no promise then he deems too sacred to employ;<br>
But when his soul is sated, and his burning passion dies,<br>
<span class="tab">He fears to break no plighted vows, cares nought for perjuries.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=loc.ark:/13960/t1hh7rq7f&seq=126">Cranstoun</a> (1867)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let not a woman trust, since that first treason, a lover's<br>
Desperate oath, none hope true lover's promise is earnest.<br>
They, while fondly to win their amorous humour essayeth,<br>
Fear no covetous oath, all false free promises heed not;<br>
They if once lewd pleasure attain unruly possession,<br>
Lo they fear not promise, of oath or perjury reck not.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/18867/pg18867-images.html#:~:text=Let%20not%20a,perjury%20reck%20not.">Ellis</a> (1871)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Now, let woman no more trust her to man when he sweareth,<br>
Ne'er let her hope to find or truth or faith in his pleadings,<br>
Who when lustful thought forelooks to somewhat attaining,<br>
Never an oath they fear, shall spare no promise to promise.<br>
Yet no sooner they sate all lewdness and lecherous fancy,<br>
Nothing remember of words and reck they naught of fore-swearing.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0005%3Apoem%3D64#:~:text=Now%2C%20let%20woman,of%20fore%2Dswearing.">Burton</a> (1893)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Now, now, let no woman give credence to man's oath, let none hope for faithful vows from mankind; for while their eager desire strives for its end, nothing fear they to swear, nothing of promises forbear they: but instantly their lusting thoughts are satiate with lewdness, nothing of speech they remember, nothing of perjuries care.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0006%3Apoem%3D64#:~:text=Now%2C%20now%2C%20let,of%20perjuries%20care.">Smithers</a> (1894)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Henceforth let no woman believe a man's oath, let none believe that a man's speeches can be trustworthy. They, while their mind desires something and longs eagerly to gain it, nothing fear to swear, nothing spare to promise; but as soon as the lust of their greedy mind is satisfied, they fear not then their words, they heed not their perjuries.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924074296397&seq=106&q1=%22henceforth+let%22">Warre Cornish</a> (1904)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Hereafter let; no woman trust man's promises, or hope for faithful words; for when they wish to attain their desires, there is nothing they will not swear, no promise do they scruple to make: but once their desires have been satisfied, they fear no broken words and care nothing for their perjuries.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924074296397&seq=106&q1=%22henceforth+let%22">Stuttaford</a> (1912)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Never let maid believe a lover's oath; <br>
<span class="tab">Nor hope a man be faithful to his troth; <br>
Long as men's hearts are spurred by keen desire, <br>
No oath they shrink from and no promise spare; <br>
<span class="tab">Soon as their sated lust begins to tire <br>
<span class="tab">No oath they heed and nought for falsehood care.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.$b311029&seq=108&q1=%22never+let+maid%22">Symons-Jeune</a> (1923)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Henceforth, no woman trust the oath of man, <br>
No woman dream the word of man is true: <br>
They, whensoe'er they lust for anything, <br>
Swear every oath and every promise make, <br>
But, when their eager lust is satisfied, <br>
Nor reck of oaths nor promises regard.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.$b267122&seq=108&q1=%22henceforth+no+woman%22">MacNaghten</a> (1925)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Henceforth let never listening maid believe <br>
<span class="tab">Protesting man! When their false hearts conceive <br>
The selfish wish, to all but pleasure blind, <br>
<span class="tab">No words they spare, no oaths unuttered leave.<br>
But when possession cloys their pampered mind,<br>
<span class="tab">No care have they for oaths, no words their honour bind.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.32106015467548&seq=248&q1=%22henceforth%22">Wright</a> (1926)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">From this hour<br>
<span class="tab">may no woman believe what men say, for men (minds set upon a single end) will promise everything,<br>
<span class="tab">but once the shrewd mind satisfies its passion, it plunges forward (the broken promise merely words that trail behind tall bravery).<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.32106001542577&seq=224&q1=%22from+this+hour%22">Gregory</a> (1931)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let no woman ever believe any oath that a man swears,<br>
or ever expect him to keep faith with his fine speeches!<br>
When they want something, when they are anxious to get it,<br>
they take oaths without fear, and pour out promises freely;<br>
but just as soon as their hot desire is sated,<br>
none of their lies & deceptions ever disturb them.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Poems_of_Catullus/y_HafujaJM4C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22let%20no%20woman%20every%20believe%22">C. Martin</a> (1979)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>From now on let no woman believe a man's sworn promises. <br>
From now on let no woman hope a man's talk is true. <br>
So long as their desiring minds are eager to get something, <br>
they swear to anything. No promise do they spare. <br>
But as soon as the lust in their desirous intent is gratified, <br>
they remember nothing they said, they care nothing for their lies. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://diotima-doctafemina.org/translations/latin/catullus-64-the-wedding-of-peleus-and-thetis/#:~:text=From%20now%20on%20let%20no%20woman%20believe%20a%20man%27s%20sworn%20promises">Banks</a> (1997)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Now, no woman should believe a man’s pledges,<br>
or believe there’s any truth in a man’s words:<br>
when their minds are intent on their desire,<br>
they have no fear of oaths, don’t spare their promises:<br>
but as soon as the lust of their eager mind is slaked<br>
they fear no words, they care nothing for perjury.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Latin/Catullus.php#:~:text=Now%2C%20no%20woman,nothing%20for%20perjury.">Kline</a> (2001)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Henceforth let no woman trust a man's sworn promise,<br>
or hope that he'll ever be true to his given word,<br>
for as long as his lustful heart is bent on possession<br>
he'll shrink from no oath, stop short at no promises,<br>
but the moment hte urge of his ardent mind is sated<br>
he forgets all he's said, breaks oaths without a tremor.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Poems_of_Catullus/4qsYinaVXQ8C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=oath">Green</a> (2005)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Now already let no woman trust a man swearing,<br>
let none hope that the speeches of man are faithful,<br>
for whom while the desiring mind is eager to grasp something,<br>
They fear to swear nothing, they spare to promise nothing.<br>
But as soon as the lust of the desiring mind has been satisfied,<br>
They feared the words as nothing, they care for the false oaths not at all.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Translation:Catullus_64#:~:text=Now%20already%20let,not%20at%20all.">Wikisource</a> (2018)]</blockquote><br>
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		<title>La Rochefoucauld, Francois -- Réflexions ou sentences et maximes morales [Reflections; or Sentences and Moral Maxims],  ¶38 (1665-1678) [tr. Kronenberger (1959)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[We make promises to the extent that we hope, and keep them to the extent that we fear. [Nous promettons selon nos espérances, et nous tenons selon nos craintes.] Present from the 1st edition in 1665. See also Racine. (Source (French)). Alternate translations: Our Promises are always made with a reflection on our Hopes, and [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We make promises to the extent that we hope, and keep them to the extent that we fear.</p>
<p><em>[Nous promettons selon nos espérances, et nous tenons selon nos craintes.]</em></p>
<br><b>François VI, duc de La Rochefoucauld</b> (1613-1680) French epigrammatist, memoirist, noble<br><i>Réflexions ou sentences et maximes morales [Reflections; or Sentences and Moral Maxims]</i>,  ¶38 (1665-1678) [tr. Kronenberger (1959)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/maximsoflarochef00laro/page/40/mode/2up?q=%22extent+that+we+hope%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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Present from the 1st edition in 1665.  See also <a href="/racine-jean/78506/">Racine</a>.<br><br>

(<a href="https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/%C5%92uvres_de_La_Rochefoucauld_-_T.1/R%C3%A9flexions_ou_sentences_et_maximes_morales#cite_ref-p45_88-0:~:text=Nous%20promettons%20selon%20nos%20esp%C3%A9rances%2C%20et%20nous%20tenons%20selon%20nos%20craintes">Source (French)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>Our Promises are always made with a reflection on our Hopes, and perform'd according to our fears.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A49597.0001.001/1:4.16?rgn=div2;view=fulltext">Davies</a> (1669), ¶16]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>We promise in proportion to our Hopes,<br>
and we keep in proportion to our Fears<br>
[tr. <a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A49601.0001.001/1:6.39?rgn=div2;view=fulltext">Stanhope</a> (1694), ¶39]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>We promise in proportion to our Hopes, and we keep our Word in proportion to our Fears.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/moralmaximsrefle00larouoft/page/36/mode/2up?q=%22our+hopes%22">Stanhope</a> (1706), ¶39]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>We promise according to our hopes, and perform according to our fears.<br>
[pub. <a href="https://archive.org/details/maximsandmoralr00rochgoog/page/n113/mode/2up?q=%22+according+to+oar+hopes%22">Donaldson</a> (1783), ¶357; [ed. <a href="https://archive.org/details/maximsmoralrefle00larouoft/page/16/mode/2up?q=hopes">Lepoittevin-Lacroix</a> (1797); ed. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=nyp.33433075829600&view=2up&seq=58&skin=2021&q1=%22our%20hopes%22">Gowens</a> (1851), ¶39]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>We promise according to our hopes; we perform according to our fears.<br>
[ed. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044019833292&view=2up&seq=121&skin=2021&q1=%22according%20to%20our%20hopes%22">Carville</a> (1835), ¶463; tr. <a href="https://gutenberg.org/files/9105/9105-h/9105-h.htm#:~:text=We%20promise%20according%20to%20our%20hopes%3B%20we%20perform%20according%20to%20our%20fears.">Bund/Friswell</a> (1871)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Promises are measured by hope; performances by fear.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Maxims_of_Le_Duc_de_La_Rochefoucauld/eq89AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22promises%20are%20measured%22">Heard</a> (1917)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Our promises are measured by our hopes; our performances by our fears.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Maxims_of_Fran%C3%A7ois_Duc_de_La_Rochef/MhZEAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22our%20fears%22">Stevens</a> (1939)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Our promises are made in hope, and kept in fear.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/maximsofducdelar0000laro/page/38/mode/2up?q=%22made+in+hope%22">FitzGibbon</a> (1957)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Our promises are made in proportion to our hopes, but kept in proportion to our fears.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/maxims0000laro/page/40/mode/2up?q=%22our+promises%22">Tancock</a> (1959)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>We make promises according to our hopes, and keep them according to our fears.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.thomaswhichello.com/?page_id=831#:~:text=We%20make%20promises%20according%20to%20our%20hopes%2C%20and%20keep%20them%20according%20to%20our%20fears.">Whichello</a> (2016)]</blockquote><br>
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