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		<title>Euripides -- Helen [Ἑλένη], l. 1151ff, Stasimon 1, Antistrophe 2 (412 BC) [tr. Sheppard (1925)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[CHORUS: Fools who fain would carve a name Of honour in the fields of fame, Valiant in the press of war, Men and fighters &#8212; fools they are! How shall death and wounds and shame Heal the world&#8217;s distrated life? Vain endeavour! Strife of strife Misbegotten bringeth no release, Nor by conquest shall man conquer [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">CHORUS: <span class="tab">Fools who fain would carve a name<br />
<span class="tab">Of honour in the fields of fame,<br />
<span class="tab">Valiant in the press of war,<br />
<span class="tab">Men and fighters &#8212; fools they are!<br />
<span class="tab">How shall death and wounds and shame<br />
<span class="tab">Heal the world&#8217;s distrated life?<br />
<span class="tab">Vain endeavour! Strife of strife<br />
Misbegotten bringeth no release,<br />
Nor by conquest shall man conquer peace.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
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<p class="hangingindent">[ΧΟΡΟΣ: ἄφρονες ὅσοι τὰς ἀρετὰς πολέμῳ<br />
λόγχαισί τ᾽ ἀλκαίου δορὸς<br />
κτᾶσθε, πόνους ἀμαθῶς θνα-<br />
τῶν καταπαυόμενοι:<br />
εἰ γὰρ ἅμιλλα κρινεῖ νιν<br />
αἵματος, οὔποτ᾽ ἔρις<br />
λείψει κατ᾽ ἀνθρώπων πόλεις]</p>
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<br><b>Euripides</b> (485?-406? BC) Greek tragic dramatist<br><i>Helen [Ἑλένη]</i>, l. 1151ff, Stasimon 1, Antistrophe 2 (412 BC) [tr. Sheppard (1925)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b4036627&seq=45&q1=%22fools+who+fain%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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(Source (Greek)). Other translations: <br><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">Think you, fond men, whose martial pride<br>
<span class="tab">Glows 'midst the bleeding ranks of war,<br>
<span class="tab"><span class="tab">By the couragous spear<br>
<span class="tab">The strife of mortals to decide?<br>
<span class="tab">Vain are your thoughts: should rage abhor'd<br>
<span class="tab">That glories in the purple flood,<br>
<span class="tab">The contest only end with blood,<br>
Unsheath'd through angry states would flame the sword.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.hn6lrk&seq=352&q1=%22think+you+fond+men%22">Potter</a> (1783)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">Frantic are ye who seek renown<br>
Amid the horrors of th' embattled field,<br>
Who masking guile beneath a laurel crown<br>
<span class="tab">With nervous arm the falchion wield,<br>
Not slaughtered thousands can your fury state.<br>
<span class="tab">If still success the judgment guide,<br>
If bloody battle right and wrong decide,<br>
Incessant strive must vex each rival state.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015019113177&seq=159&q1=%22frantic+are+ye%22">Wodhull</a> (1809)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Foolish ye, as many as obtain [the renown of] valor by war, foolishly resting form the toils of mortals in the spears of valiant war. For if the contest of blood is to determine [men's quarrels], never will strife leave the cities of men.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=rul.39030018953945&seq=242&q1=%22as+many+as+obtain%22">Buckley</a> (1850)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>You are fools, who try to win a reputation for virtue through war and marshalled lines of spears, senselessly putting an end to mortal troubles; for if a bloody quarrel is to decide it, strife will never leave off in the towns of men.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0100%3Acard%3D1151#:~:text=You%20are%20fools%2C%20who%20try%20to%20win%20a%20reputation%20for%20virtue%20through%20war%20and%20marshalled%20lines%20of%20spears%2C%20senselessly%20putting%20an%20end%20to%20mortal%20troubles%3B%20%5B1155%5D%20for%20if%20a%20bloody%20quarrel%20is%20to%20decide%20it%2C%20strife%20will%20never%20leave%20off%20in%20the%20towns%20of%20men">Coleridge</a> (1891)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O fools! all ye who try to win the meed of valour through war and  serried ranks of chivalry, seeking thus to still this mortal coil, in senselessness; for if bloody contests are to decide, there will  never be any lack of strife in the towns of men.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://sacred-texts.com/cla/eurip/helen.htm#:~:text=O%20fools!%20all%20ye%20who%20try%20to%20win%20the%20meed%20of%20valour%20through%20war%20and%0A%20serried%20ranks%20of%20chivalry%2C%20seeking%20thus%20to%20still%20this%20mortal%20coil%2C%0A%20in%20senselessness%3B%20for%20if%20bloody%20contests%20are%20to%20decide%2C%20there%20will%0A%20never%20be%20any%20lack%20of%20strife%20in%20the%20towns%20of%20men">Coleridge</a> (alt.)]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>Madmen, all ye who strive for manhood's guerdons<br>
<span class="tab">Battling with shock of lances, seeking ease<br>
Senselessly so from galling of life's burdens!<br>
<span class="tab">Never, if blood be arbitress of peace,<br>
Strife between towns of men shall find an ending.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015012280742&seq=589&q1=%22manhood%27s+guerdons%22">Way</a> (Loeb) (1912)]</blockquote><br>





<blockquote>Madness it is to attempt to find virtue in war<br>
and the blades of the spear in the fight,<br>
so ignorantly to relieve the misfortunes of men.<br>
For if a contest of blood is the arbiter, then there will always<br>
be strife in the cities of men.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015014494374&seq=72&q1=%22madness+it+is%22">Warner</a> (1951)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>You who in earnest ignorance<br>
Would check the deeds of lawless men,<br>
And in the clash of spear on spear<br>
Gain honour -- you are all stark mad!<br>
If men, to settle each dispute<br>
Must needs compete in bloodshed, when<br>
Shall violence vanish, hate be soothed,<br>
Or men and cities live in peace?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchaeotherplay00euri/page/160/mode/2up?q=%22earnest+ignorance%22">Vellacott</a> (1954), Strophe 2] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Mindless, all of you, who in the strength of spears<br>
and the tearing edge win your valors<br>
by war, thus stupidly trying<br>
to halt the grief of the world.<br>
For if bloody debate shall settle<br>
the issue, never again<br>
shall hate be gone out of the cities of men.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/euripidesiicyclo00euri/page/252/mode/2up?q=%22mindless+all+of+you%22">Lattimore</a> (1956)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>What fools you are, all who seek to gain honour in war and the clash of spear on spear, stupidly trying to solve men’s troubles by death! If they are to be settled by contest of blood, never will strife end among the cities of men.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Heracles_and_Other_Plays/3ccaxnT-SFEC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22what%20fools%20you%20are%22">Davie</a> (2002)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>You are mad,<br>
You men<br>
Who think that war's<br>
The proof of manhood,<br>
Squabbling with spears and lances --<br>
A futile way<br>
To solve man's problems.<br>
If we settle things<br>
By seeing who can bleed the most,<br>
War will always<br>
Haunt our cities.<br>
[tr. <a href="http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~loxias/helen.htm#:~:text=You%20are%20mad%2C%0AYou%20men%0AWho%20think%20that%20war%27s%0AThe%20proof%20of%20manhood%2C%0ASquabbling%20with%20spears%20and%20lances%20%2D%0AA%20futile%20way%0ATo%20solve%20man%27s%20problems.%0AIf%20we%20settle%20things%0ABy%20seeing%20who%20can%20bleed%20the%20most%2C%0AWar%20will%20always%0AHaunt%20our%20cities.">A. Wilson</a> (2007)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">Men! What fools they are when they look for glory with spears on the harsh battlefield!<br>
<span class="tab">How foolish your efforts to end men’s pains through slaughter!<br>
<span class="tab">If it is blood you wish to be the judge of right or wrong in the arguments between men, then war will never leave the cities.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://bacchicstage.wpcomstaging.com/euripides/helen/#:~:text=Men!%20What%20fools,leave%20the%20cities.">Theodoridis</a> (2011)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>You are fools who would acquire virtue in war<br>
and sharpened point of mighty spear --<br>
stupidly coming to terms with toil -- but your death is the price.<br>
And if a conflict of blood decide, then the strife never will<br>
forsake the cities of mankind.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.uvm.edu/~jbailly/courses/CLAS24TrojanWar/1.%20Helen%20Script.pdf#page=45">Ambrose</a> et al. (2018)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>You are fools, who try to win a reputation for virtue <i>[aretē]</i> through war and marshalled lines of spears, senselessly putting an end to mortal troubles <i>[ponos];</i> for if a bloody quarrel is to decide <i>[krinein]</i> it, strife <i>[eris]</i> will never leave off in the cities <i>[polis]</i> of men<br>
[tr. <a href="https://chs.harvard.edu/primary-source/euripides-helen/#:~:text=You%20are%20fools%2C%20who%20try%20to%20win%20a%20reputation%20for%20virtue%20%5Baret%C4%93%5D%20through%20war%20and%20marshalled%20lines%20of%20spears%2C%20senselessly%20putting%20an%20end%20to%20mortal%20troubles%20%5Bponos%5D%3B%20%5B1155%5D%20for%20if%20a%20bloody%20quarrel%20is%20to%20decide%20%5Bkrinein%5D%20it%2C%20strife%20%5Beris%5D%20will%20never%20leave%20off%20in%20the%20cities%20%5Bpolis%5D%20of%20men">Coleridge / Helen Heroization Team</a>]</blockquote><br>





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