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		<title>Martin, Judith -- Interview (2011-08), &#8220;Q and A with Miss Manners,&#8221; by Arcynta Ali Childs, Smithsonian magazine</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Q. Is it ever acceptable to be rude? A. No. Now, that doesn’t mean you have to let people walk all over you. Etiquette does not render you defenseless. If it did; even I wouldn’t subscribe to it. But rudeness in retaliation for rudeness just doubles the amount of rudeness in the world.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent"><i>Q. Is it ever acceptable to be rude?</i></p>
<p class="hangingindent">A. No. Now, that doesn’t mean you have to let people walk all over you. Etiquette does not render you defenseless. If it did; even I wouldn’t subscribe to it. But rudeness in retaliation for rudeness just doubles the amount of rudeness in the world.</p>
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<br><b>Judith Martin</b> (b. 1938) American author, journalist, etiquette expert [a.k.a. Miss Manners]<br>Interview (2011-08), &#8220;Q and A with Miss Manners,&#8221; by Arcynta Ali Childs, <i>Smithsonian</i> magazine 
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		<title>McLaughlin, Mignon -- The Neurotic&#8217;s Notebook, ch.  7 (1963)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Injure a businessman and he&#8217;ll try to make you sorry; injure an artist and he&#8217;ll try to make you immortal.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Injure a businessman and he&#8217;ll try to make you sorry; injure an artist and he&#8217;ll try to make you immortal.</p>
<br><b>Mignon McLaughlin</b> (1913-1983) American journalist and author<br><i>The Neurotic&#8217;s Notebook</i>, ch.  7 (1963) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/neuroticsnoteboo00mcla/page/70/mode/2up?q=%22injure+an+artist%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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		<title>Bronte, Charlotte -- Jane Eyre, ch. 6 [Jane] (1847)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[If people were always kind and obedient to those who are cruel and unjust; the wicked people would have it all their own way: they would never feel afraid, and so they would never alter, but would grow worse and worse. When we are struck at without a reason, we should strike back again very [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If people were always kind and obedient to those who are cruel and unjust; the wicked people would have it all their own way: they would never feel afraid, and so they would never alter, but would grow worse and worse. When we are struck at without a reason, we should strike back again very hard; I am sure we should &#8212; so hard as to teach the person who struck us never to do it again.</p>
<br><b>Charlotte Brontë</b> (1816-1855) British novelist [pseud. Currer Bell]<br><i>Jane Eyre</i>, ch. 6 [Jane] (1847) 
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		<title>Eldridge, Paul -- &#8220;Lanterns in the Night,&#8221; Maxim 41, The Jewish Forum (Aug 1948)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A man’s character is most evident by how he treats those who are not in a position either to retaliate or reciprocate. Restated by Eldridge in Maxims for a Modern Man, #1198 (1965): &#8220;A man is most accurately judged by how he treats those who are not in a position either to retaliate or to [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A man’s character is most evident by how he treats those who are not in a position either to retaliate or reciprocate.</p>
<br><b>Paul Eldridge</b> (1888-1982) American educator, novelist, poet<br>&#8220;Lanterns in the Night,&#8221; Maxim 41, <i>The Jewish Forum</i> (Aug 1948) 
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Restated by Eldridge in <i>Maxims for a Modern Man</i>, #1198 (1965): "A man is most accurately judged by how he treats those who are not in a position either to retaliate or to reciprocate."<br><br>

The same sentiment was also made by or attributed to Lyman Beecher, <a href="https://archive.org/details/andover_townsman_2006-05-04/page/n5/mode/2up?q=%22who+can+do+nothing+for+them%22">Brian Tracy</a>, Ann Landers, <a href="/van-buren-abigail/3983/">Abigail Van Buren</a>, <a href="https://wist.info/forbes-malcolm/16302/">Malcolm Forbes</a>, James Miles, and (without any reference found) Goethe and Samuel Johnson. A more convoluted version can be found in the 19th Century by <a href="https://wist.info/spurgeon-charles/22558/">Charles Spurgeon</a>.<br><br>

More examination of this quotation:<ul>
	<li><a href="https://quoteinvestigator.com/2011/10/28/judge-character/">You Can Easily Judge the Character of a Man by How He Treats Those Who Can Do Nothing for Him – Quote Investigator</a></li>
	<li><a href="https://quoteinvestigator.com/2012/08/22/retaliate-reciprocate/">Character Is Most Evident by How One Treats Those Who Can Neither Retaliate nor Reciprocate – Quote Investigator</a></li>
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		<title>Eldridge, Paul -- Maxims for a Modern Man,  #952 (1965)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[We are more apt to persecute the unfortunates than the scoundrels; the scoundrels may retaliate.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are more apt to persecute the unfortunates than the scoundrels; the scoundrels may retaliate.</p>
<br><b>Paul Eldridge</b> (1888-1982) American educator, novelist, poet<br><i>Maxims for a Modern Man</i>,  #952 (1965) 
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		<title>Horace -- Satires [Saturae, Sermones], Book 2, #  1 &#8220;Sunt quibus in Satira,&#8221; l.  44ff (2.2.44-46) (30 BC) [tr. Howes (1845)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[But he that touches me, (hands off! I cry, &#8212; Avaunt, and at your peril come not nigh!) Shall for his pains be chaunted up and down, The jest and byeword of a chuckling Town. [At ille, Qui me conmorit (melius non tangere, clamo), Fiebit et insignis tota cantabitur urbe.] On the dangers of antagonizing [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But he that touches me, (hands off! I cry, &#8212;<br />
Avaunt, and at your peril come not nigh!)<br />
Shall for his pains be chaunted up and down,<br />
The jest and byeword of a chuckling Town.</p>
<p><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><em>[At ille,<br />
Qui me conmorit (melius non tangere, clamo),<br />
Fiebit et insignis tota cantabitur urbe.]</em></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<br><b>Horace</b> (65–8 BC) Roman poet, satirist, soldier, politician [Quintus Horatius Flaccus]<br><i>Satires [Saturae, Sermones]</i>, Book 2, #  1 <i>&#8220;Sunt quibus in Satira,&#8221;</i> l.  44ff (2.2.44-46) (30 BC) [tr. Howes (1845)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Epodes_Satires_and_Epistles_of_Horac/TPgDAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=avaunt" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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On the dangers of antagonizing a satirist.<br><br>

(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0062%3Abook%3D2%3Apoem%3D1#:~:text=at%20ille%2C,cantabitur%20Urbe.">Source (Latin)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">[...] that none woulde worke me wo.<br>
But worke they doo, but who so does, though he be divelyshe fell,<br>
I blason farre and nere his armes, and wanton touches tell.<br>
He may go howle, and pule for wo, the citizens will scorn hym,<br>
And cause him wyshe full many a tyme, his damme had never borne hym.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A03670.0001.001/1:10.1?rgn=div2;view=fulltext#:~:text=that%20none%20woulde,neuer%20borne%20hym.">Drant</a> (1567)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">And none bereave<br>
The peace I seek. But if there do, believe<br>
Me they will rew't, when with my keen Stile stung,<br>
Through the whole town they shall in pomp be sung.<br>
[<a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?cc=eebo;c=eebo;idno=a44478.0001.001;node=A44478.0001.001:7;seq=1;rgn=div1;view=text#:~:text=and%20none%20bereave,pomp%20be%20sung.">tr. Fanshawe</a>; ed. Brome (1666)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let none hurt Peaceful Me with envious Tongue,<br>
For if he does, He shall repent the wrong:<br>
The warning's fair, his Vices shall be shown,<br>
And Life expos'd to all the Cens'ring Town.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?cc=eebo;c=eebo;idno=a44471.0001.001;node=A44471.0001.001:7;seq=1;rgn=div1;view=text#:~:text=Let%20none%20hurt,the%20Cens%27ring%20Town">Creech</a> (1684)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But who provokes me, or attacks my fame, <br>
"Better not touch me, friend," I loud exclaim, <br>
His eyes shall weep the folly of his tongue. <br>
By laughing crowds in rueful ballad sung.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/satiresepistlesi00hora/page/92/mode/2up?q=%22peace+with+prudent%22">Francis</a> (1747)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But that man who shall provoke me (I give notice, that it is better not to touch me) shall weep [his folly], and as a notorious character shall be sung through all the streets of Rome.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0063%3Abook%3D2%3Apoem%3D1#:~:text=But%20that%20man%20who%20shall%20provoke%20me%20(I%20give%20notice%2C%20that%20it%20is%20better%20not%20to%20touch%20me)%20shall%20weep%20%5Bhis%20folly%5D%2C%20and%20as%20a%20notorious%20character%20shall%20be%20sung%20through%20all%20the%20streets%20of%20Rome.">Smart/Buckley</a> (1853)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But he who shall have once provoked me -- 'twill be better that he touch me not, I cry -- shall rue it, and, become notorious, shall be the theme of jest, through all the town.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/satiresofhoracei00hora/page/68/mode/2up?q=%22once+provoked%22">Millington</a> (1870)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">But should one seek<br>
To quarrel with me, you shall hear him shriek:<br>
Don't say I gave no warning: up and down<br>
He shall be trolled and chorused through the town.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Satires,_Epistles_%26_Art_of_Poetry_of_Horace/Sat2-1#:~:text=but%20should%20one,through%20the%20town.">Conington</a> (1874)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But if one stir me up ("Better not touch me!" I shout), he shall smart for it and have his name sung up and down the town.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/satiresepistlesa00horauoft/page/130/mode/2up?q=%22one+stir+me+up%22">Fairclough</a> (Loeb) (1926)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But the man who provokes me will weep (HANDS OFF! I WARN YOU)<br>
and his name will be widely rehearsed all over town.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/satiresanndepist0000hora/page/100/mode/2up?q=%22man+who+provokes%22">Palmer Bovie</a> (1959)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">But any guy <br>
who gives me any trouble (my motto is “Hands off!”) <br>
will become a tearful celebrity, sung about all over town. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/horacessatiresep0000hora/page/24/mode/2up?q=%22but+any+guy%22">Fuchs</a> (1977)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">But attack -- it’s better not to, believe me -- and live <br>
To regret it, your name paraded all over Rome!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/essentialhoraceo0000hora/page/162/mode/2up?q=%22but+attack%22">Raffel</a> (1983)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But he who attacks me (O I warn you!<br>
keep your hands to yourself!)<br>
will have cause enough for weeping.<br>
He will be pointed out and ridiculed<br>
by everyone in Rome.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/completeodessati0000hora/page/248/mode/2up?q=%22he+who+attacks%22">Alexander</a> (1999)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">"Hands off" is my motto:<br>
anybody who gives me any trouble, he'll be<br>
swiftly famous for his pain and snuffling.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/satiresofhorace0000hora_r9g5/page/54/mode/2up?q=%22hands+off%22">Matthews</a> (2002)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But whoever stirs me up (better keep your distance, I’m telling you!) <br>
will be sorry; he’ll become a thing of derision throughout the city. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/satiresofhoracep00hora/page/40/mode/2up?q=%22stirs+me+up%22">Rudd</a> (2005 ed.)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">But he<br>
Who provokes me (better not touch, I cry!) will suffer,<br>
And his blemishes will be sung throughout the City.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Latin/HoraceSatiresBkIISatI.php#anchor_Toc98154854:~:text=But%20he,throughout%20the%20City.">Kline</a> (2015)]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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