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		<title>Hugo, Victor -- Les Misérables, Part 4 &#8220;Saint Denis,&#8221; Book  6 &#8220;Little Gavroche,&#8221; ch.  1 (4.6.1) (1862) [tr. Donougher (2013)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[At a certain level of wretchedness a kind of spectral indifference takes over, and you see human beings as ghostly presences. Those closest to you are often no more than vague shadowy forms, barely distinct from life&#8217;s nebulous background and easily reabsorbed by the invisible. [À un certain degré de misère, on est gagné par [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At a certain level of wretchedness a kind of spectral indifference takes over, and you see human beings as ghostly presences. Those closest to you are often no more than vague shadowy forms, barely distinct from life&#8217;s nebulous background and easily reabsorbed by the invisible.</p>
<p><em>[À un certain degré de misère, on est gagné par une sorte d’indifférence spectrale, et l’on voit les êtres comme des larves. Vos plus proches ne sont souvent pour vous que de vagues formes de l’ombre, à peine distinctes du fond nébuleux de la vie et facilement remêlées à l’invisible.]</em></p>
<br><b>Victor Hugo</b> (1802–1885) French writer, journalist, human rights activist, politician<br><i>Les Misérables</i>, Part 4 &#8220;Saint Denis,&#8221; Book  6 &#8220;Little Gavroche,&#8221; ch.  1 (4.6.1) (1862) [tr. Donougher (2013)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Les_Miserables/dyKMDQAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22At%20a%20certain%20level%20of%20wretchedness%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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(<a href="https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Les_Mis%C3%A9rables/Tome_4/Livre_06/01#:~:text=%C3%80%20un%20certain%20degr%C3%A9%20de%20mis%C3%A8re%2C%20on%20est%20gagn%C3%A9%20par%20une%20sorte%20d%E2%80%99indiff%C3%A9rence%20spectrale%2C%20et%20l%E2%80%99on%20voit%20les%20%C3%AAtres%20comme%20des%20larves.%20Vos%20plus%20proches%20ne%20sont%20souvent%20pour%20vous%20que%20de%20vagues%20formes%20de%20l%E2%80%99ombre%2C%20%C3%A0%20peine%20distinctes%20du%20fond%20n%C3%A9buleux%20de%20la%20vie%20et%20facilement%20rem%C3%AAl%C3%A9es%20%C3%A0%20l%E2%80%99invisible.">Source (French)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>At a certain depth of misery, men are possessed by a sort of spectral indifference, and look upon their fellow beings as upon goblins. Your nearest relatives are often but vague forms of shadow for you, hardly distinct from the nebulous background of life, and easily reblended with the invisible.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.43835/page/n805/mode/2up?q=%22certain+depth+of+misery%22">Wilbour</a> (1862)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>In a certain stage of misery people are affected by a sort of spectral indifference and regard human beings as ghosts. Your nearest relatives are often to you no more than vague forms of the shadow, hardly to be distinguished from the nebulous back-ground of life, and which easily become blended. again with the invisible.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/lesmiserables0000vict_z1p0/page/n999/mode/2up?q=%22in+a+certain+stage+of+misery%22">Wraxall</a> (1862)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>When a certain degree of misery is reached, one is overpowered with a sort of spectral indifference, and one regards human beings as though they were spectres. Your nearest relations are often no more for you than vague shadowy forms, barely outlined against a nebulous background of life and easily confounded again with the invisible.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Les_Mis%C3%A9rables/Volume_4/Book_Sixth/Chapter_1#:~:text=When%20a%20certain,with%20the%20invisible.">Hapgood</a> (1887)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>There is a level of poverty at which we are afflicted with a kind of indifference which causes all things to seem unreal: those closest to us become no more than shadows, scarcely distinguishable against the dark background of our daily life, and easily lost to view.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/lesmiserables0000tran/page/812/mode/2up?q=%22kind+of+indifference%22">Denny</a> (1976)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>At a certain depth of misery, people are possessed by a sort of spectral indifference, and look at their fellow beings as at ghosts. Your nearest relatives are often merely vague shadowy forms for you, hardly distinct from the nebulous background of life, and easily blended with the invisible.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/lesmisrabl1987hugo/page/942/mode/2up?q=%22certain+depth+of+misery%22">Wilbour/Fahnestock/MacAfee</a> (1987)] </blockquote><br>










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		<title>Horace -- Odes [Carmina], Book 1, #  9, l.  15ff (1.9.15-24) (23 BC) [tr. Kline (2015)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don’t spurn sweet love, my child, and don’t you be neglectful of the choir of love, or the dancing feet, while life is still green, and your white-haired old age is far away with all its moroseness. Now, find the Campus again, and the squares, soft whispers at night, at the hour agreed, and the [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Don’t spurn sweet love,<br />
my child, and don’t you be neglectful<br />
of the choir of love, or the dancing feet,<br />
while life is still green, and your white-haired old age<br />
is far away with all its moroseness. Now,<br />
find the Campus again, and the squares,<br />
soft whispers at night, at the hour agreed,<br />
and the pleasing laugh that betrays her, the girl<br />
who’s hiding away in the darkest corner,<br />
and the pledge that’s retrieved from her arm,<br />
or from a lightly resisting finger.<br />
&nbsp;<br />
<span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><em>[Nec dulcis amores<br />
sperne puer neque tu choreas,<br />
donec virenti canities abest<br />
morosa. Nunc et campus et areae<br />
lenesque sub noctem susurri<br />
conposita repetantur hora,<br />
nunc et latentis proditor intumo<br />
gratus puellae risus ab angulo<br />
pignusque dereptum lacertis<br />
aut digito male pertinaci.]</em></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<br><b>Horace</b> (65–8 BC) Roman poet, satirist, soldier, politician [Quintus Horatius Flaccus]<br><i>Odes [Carmina]</i>, Book 1, #  9, l.  15ff (1.9.15-24) (23 BC) [tr. Kline (2015)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Latin/HoraceOdesBkI.php#:~:text=don%E2%80%99t%20spurn%20sweet,lightly%20resisting%20finger." target="_blank">Source</a>)
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"To Thaliarchus." (<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0024%3Abook%3D1%3Apoem%3D9#:~:text=nunc%20et%20campus,male%20pertinaci.">Source (Latin)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>Till testy Age gray Hairs shall snow<br>
<span class="tab">Upon thy Head, lose Mask, nor Show:<br>
Soft whispers now delight<br>
<span class="tab">At a set hour by Night:<br>
And Maids that gigle to discover<br>
<span class="tab">Where they are hidden to a Lover;<br>
And Bracelets or some toy<br>
<span class="tab">Snatcht from the willing Coy.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A44478.0001.001/1:6?rgn=div1;view=fulltext#:~:text=Soft%20whispers%20now,the%20willing%20Coy.">Fanshaw</a> (Brome (1666))] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Secure those golden early joys,<br>
<span class="tab">That youth unsoured with sorrow bears,<br>
Ere withering time the taste destroys,<br>
<span class="tab">With sickness and unwieldy years.<br>
For active sports, for pleasing rest,<br>
This is the time to be possest;<br>
<span class="tab">The best is but in season best.<br>
The appointed hour of promised bliss,<br>
<span class="tab">The pleasing whisper in the dark,<br>
The half unwilling willing kiss,<br>
<span class="tab">The laugh that guides thee to the mark;<br>
When the kind nymph would coyness feign,<br>
And hides but to be found again;<br>
<span class="tab">These, these are joys the gods for youth ordain.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/54361/54361-h/54361-h.htm#Page_344:~:text=Secure%20those%20golden,for%20youth%20ordain.">Dryden</a> (c. 1685)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Whilst Thou art green, and gay, and Young,<br>
<span class="tab">E're dull Age comes, and strength decays,<br>
Let mirth, and humor, dance, and song<br>
<span class="tab">Be all the trouble of thy days.<br>
The Court, the Mall, the Park, and Stage,<br>
<span class="tab">With eager thoughts of Love pursue;<br>
Gay Evening whispers fit thy Age,<br>
<span class="tab">And be to Assignation true.<br>
Now Love to hear the hiding Maid,<br>
<span class="tab">Whom Youth hath fir'd, and Beauty charms<br>
By her own tittering laugh betray'd,<br>
<span class="tab">And forc'd into her Lover's Arms.<br>
Go dally with thy wanton Miss,<br>
<span class="tab">And from the Willing seeming Coy,<br>
Or force a Ring, or steal a Kiss;<br>
<span class="tab">For Age will come, and then farewell to joy.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A44471.0001.001/1:5?rgn=div1;view=fulltext#:~:text=The%20Court%2C%20the,farewel%20to%20joy.">Creech</a> (1684)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Sport in life's young spring,<br>
<span class="tab">Nor scorn sweet love, nor merry dance,<br>
While years are green, while sullen eld<br>
<span class="tab">Is distant. Now the walk, the game,<br>
The whisper'd talk at sunset held,<br>
<span class="tab">Each in its hour, prefer their claim.<br>
Sweet too the laugh, whose feign'd alarm<br>
<span class="tab">The hiding-place of beauty tells,<br>
The token, ravish'd from the arm<br>
<span class="tab">Or finger, that but ill rebels.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0025%3Abook%3D1%3Apoem%3D9#:~:text=Now%20the%20walk%2C%20the%20game%2C%0AThe%20whisper%27d%20talk%20at%20sunset%20held%2C%0AEach%20in%20its%20hour%2C%20prefer%20their%20claim.%0ASweet%20too%20the%20laugh%2C%20whose%20feign%27d%20alarm%0AThe%20hiding%2Dplace%20of%20beauty%20tells%2C%0AThe%20token%2C%20ravish%27d%20from%20the%20arm%0AOr%20finger%2C%20that%20but%20ill%20rebels.">Conington</a> (1872)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Nor disdain, being a young fellow, pleasant loves, nor dances, as long as ill-natured hoariness keeps off from your blooming age.  Now let both the Campus Martius and the public walks, and soft whispers at the approach of evening be repeated at the appointed hour: now, too, the delightful laugh, the betrayer of the lurking damsel from some secret corner, and the token ravished from her arms or fingers, pretendingly tenacious of it.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_works_of_Horace/First_Book_of_Odes#:~:text=Now%20let%20both,tenacious%20of%20it.">Smart/Buckley</a> (1853)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Let beauty's glance <br>
Engage thee, and the merry dance,<br>
<span class="tab">Nor deem such pleasures vain!<br>
Gloom is for age. Young hearts should glow<br>
<span class="tab">With fancies bright and free,<br>
Should court the crowded walk, the show,<br>
And at dim eve love's murmurs low<br>
<span class="tab">Beneath the trysting tree;<br>
The laugh from the sly corner, where<br>
<span class="tab">Our girl is hiding fast,<br>
The struggle for the lock of hair,<br>
The half well pleased, half angry air,<br>
<span class="tab">The yielded kiss at last.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/odesofhoracetran00horarich/page/50/mode/2up?q=%22Younor+hearts+should%22">Martin</a> (1864)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Spurn not, thou, who art young, dulcet loves; <br>
<span class="tab">Spurn not, thou, choral dances and song<br>
While the hoar-frost morose keeps aloof from thy verdure.<br>
Thine the sports of the Campus, the gay public gardens; <br>
<span class="tab">Thine at twilight the words whispered low; <br>
<span class="tab"><span class="tab">Each in turn has its own happy hour:<br>
And thine the sweet laugh of the girl -- which betrays her <br>
Hiding slyly within the dim nook of the threshold, <br>
<span class="tab">And the love-token snatched from the wrist, <br>
<span class="tab"><span class="tab">Or the finger's not obstinate hold.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/odesandepodesho05horagoog/page/72/mode/2up?q=%22Thine+the+sports+of%22">Bulwer-Lytton</a> (1870)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Youth must not spurn <br>
Sweet loves, nor yet the dance forsake,<br>
While grudging Age thy prime shall spare.<br> 
The Plain, the Squares, be now thy care, <br>
And lounges, dear at nightfall, where <br>
<span class="tab">By concert love may whisper 'Hist!'<br>
From inner nook a winsome smile <br>
Betrays the girl that sculks the while, <br>
And keepsakes, deftly filched by guile <br>
<span class="tab">From yielding finger, or from wrist.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/a587951400horauoft/page/n31/mode/2up?q=%22While+grudging+Age%22">Gladstone</a> (1894)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Nor, while thy vigour lasts, despise thou <br>
<span class="tab">Pleasures of love, nor the joys of dancing.<br>
While the moroseness due to advancing age <br>
Whitens not yet thy head, let the walks and park <br>
<span class="tab">And gentle whispers heard at nightfall <br>
<span class="tab"><span class="tab">Each be repeated at fitting seasons.<br>
Now, too, the pleasant laughter be heard, that tells <br>
How lurking beauty hides in the corner-nook, <br>
<span class="tab">And token ravish'd from the arm, or <br>
<span class="tab"><span class="tab">Finger, that daintily seems unwilling.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/odesofhoraceinen00horarich/page/10/mode/2up?q=%22Nor%2C+while+thy+vigour%22">Phelps</a> (1897)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Being but yet a youth, contemn<br>
<span class="tab"><span class="tab">Neither the sweets of love nor of the dance, <br>
While from your bloom crabbed greyness holds aloof. <br>
Now let the Campus and the city squares,<br>
<span class="tab">And whispers low, be sought at nightfall,<br>
<span class="tab"><span class="tab">On the appointed hour of tryst;<br>
And now the fascinating laugh from some recess <br>
Secluded, the betrayer of a maid<br>
<span class="tab">In hiding, and the pledge snatched off <br>
<span class="tab"><span class="tab">An arm or finger ill retaining it.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/cu31924026490726/page/n99/mode/2up?q=%22Being+but+yet%22">Garnsey</a> (1907)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Spurn not the dance,<br>
<span class="tab">Or in sweet loves to bask,<br>
While surly age mars not thy morning's flower.<br>
Seek now the athlete's training field or court;<br>
<span class="tab">See gentle lovers' whispered sport,<br>
<span class="tab"><span class="tab">At nightfalls's trysted hour;<br>
Seek the gay laught that from her ambush borne<br>
Betrays the merry maiden huddled warm,<br>
<span class="tab">And forfeit from her hand or arm<br>
<span class="tab"><span class="tab">Half given, half playful torn.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/horacescompletew00hora/page/10/mode/2up">Marshall</a> (1908)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Nor in thy youth neglect sweet love nor dances, whilst life is still in its bloom and crabbed age is far away! Now let the Campus be sought and the squares, with low whispers at the trysting-hour as night draws on, and the merry tell-tale laugh of maiden hiding in farthest comer, and the forfeit snatched from her arm or finger that but feigns resistance.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.98705/page/n55/mode/2up?q=%22Nor+in+thy+youth+neglect%22">Bennett</a> (Loeb) (1912)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Scorn not, while still<br>
<span class="tab">A boy, sweet loves; scorn not the dance. <br>
Life in its Spring, and crabbed eld<br>
<span class="tab">Far off -- that is the time; then hey <br>
For Park, Square, whispered concerts held<br>
<span class="tab">At a set hour at close of day: <br>
For the sweet laugh whose soft alarm<br>
<span class="tab">Tells in what nook the maid lies hid: <br>
For the love-token snatched from arm,<br>
<span class="tab">Of fingers that but half-forbid.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/odesofhoracemills00horaiala/page/18/mode/2up?q=%22scorn+not%2C+while+still%22">Mills</a> (1924)]</blockquote><br>
  
<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Now that you're young, and peevish<br>
Grey hairs are still far distant, attend to the <br>
Dance-floor, the heart's sweet business; for now is the <br>
<span class="tab">Right time for midnight assignations,<br>
<span class="tab"><span class="tab">whispers and murmurs in Rome's piazzas<br>
And fields, and soft, low laughter that gives away<br>
The girl who plays love's games in a hiding-place --<br>
<span class="tab">Off comes a ring coaxed down an arm or<br>
<span class="tab"><span class="tab">Pulled from a faintly resisting finger.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/odesofhorace0000hora/page/34/mode/2up?q=%22young+and+peevish%22">Michie</a> (1963)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Take love while you're young and you can,<br>
Laugh, dance,<br>
Before time takes your chances<br>
Away. Stroll where baths, where theaters<br>
Bring Romans to walk, to talk, where whispers<br>
Flit through the darkness as lovers meet,<br>
And girls laugh from hidden corners,<br>
Happy as favors<br>
Are snatched in the darkness, laugh<br>
And pretend to say no.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/essentialhoraceo0000hora/page/10/mode/2up?q=%22take+love+while%22">Raffel</a> (1983)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">While you're still young,<br>
And while morose old age is far away,<br>
There's love, there are parties, there's dancing and there's music,<br>
There are young people out in the city squares together<br>
As evening comes on, there are whispers of lovers, there's laughter.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/odesofhorace00hora_1/page/28/mode/2up?q=%22While+you%27re+still+young%22">Ferry</a> (1997)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Do not disdain, boy, sweet love; and dance<br>
<span class="tab">while you are yet in bloom, and crabbed age far away.<br>
Now frequent the Campus Martius<br>
and public ways, and pizzas where soft whispers <br>
<span class="tab">are repeated at the trysting hour<br>
<span class="tab"><span class="tab">and where the suffocated laughter of a girl<br>
lurking in a corner reveals<br>
secret betrayal and the forfeit<br>
<span class="tab">snatched away from a wrist<br>
<span class="tab"><span class="tab">or from a finger, scarcely resisting.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/completeodessati0000hora/page/16/mode/2up?q=%22do+not+disdain+boy%22">Alexander</a> (1999)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">And while you're young don't scorn<br>
sweet love affairs and dances,<br>
so long as crabbed old age is far from<br>
your vigor. Now let the playing field and the<br>
public squares and soft whisperings at nightfall<br>
(the appointed hour) be your pursuits;<br>
now too the sweet laughter of a girl hiding<br>
in a secret corner, which gives her away,<br>
and a pledge snatched from her wrists<br>
or her feebly resisting finger.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Translation:Odes_(Horace)/Book_I/9#:~:text=and%20while%20you%27re,feebly%20resisting%20finger.">Wikisource</a> (2021)]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Euripides -- Æolus [Αἴολος], frag.  25 (TGF) [tr. Bowra (1938)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alas, how right the ancient saying is: We, who are old, are nothing else but noise And shape. Like mimicries of dreams we go, And have no wits, although we think us wise. &#160; [φεῦ φεῦ, παλαιὸς αἶνος ὡς καλῶς ἔχει· γέροντες οὐδέν ἐσμεν ἄλλο πλὴν ψόφος καὶ σχῆμ’, ὀνείρων δ’ ἕρπομεν μιμήματα· νοῦς δ’ [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alas, how right the ancient saying is:<br />
We, who are old, are nothing else but noise<br />
And shape. Like mimicries of dreams we go,<br />
And have no wits, although we think us wise.<br />
&nbsp;<br />
[φεῦ φεῦ, παλαιὸς αἶνος ὡς καλῶς ἔχει·<br />
γέροντες οὐδέν ἐσμεν ἄλλο πλὴν ψόφος<br />
καὶ σχῆμ’, ὀνείρων δ’ ἕρπομεν μιμήματα·<br />
νοῦς δ’ οὐκ ἔνεστιν, οἰόμεσθα δ’ εὖ φρονεῖν.]</p>
<br><b>Euripides</b> (485?-406? BC) Greek tragic dramatist<br><i>Æolus</i> [Αἴολος], frag.  25 (TGF) [tr. Bowra (1938)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/oxfordbookofgree0000tfcm/page/454/mode/2up?q=%22right+the+ancient%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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<a href="https://archive.org/details/tragicorumgraeco00naucuoft/page/370/mode/2up?q=%22%CF%86%CE%B5%CF%85+%CF%86%CE%B5%CF%8B%2C+%CE%B7%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%B1%CF%8E%CE%BE%22">Nauck frag. 25</a>, Barnes frag. 56, Musgrave frag. 18. (<a href="https://sententiaeantiquae.com/2014/09/06/euripides-fr-25-aeolus-on-old-men-lurking-and-thinking/#:~:text=%CF%86%CE%B5%E1%BF%A6%20%CF%86%CE%B5%E1%BF%A6%2C%20%CF%80%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%B1%CE%B9%E1%BD%B8%CF%82,%CE%B4%E2%80%99%20%CE%B5%E1%BD%96%20%CF%86%CF%81%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%B5%E1%BF%96%CE%BD.">Source (Greek)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>How true this antient saying; we old men <br>
Are nought but trouble, and an empty shadow, <br>
We crawl about, the semblances of dreams. <br>
And of our mental faculties deprived. <br>
Still fancy we with wisdom are endued.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/nineteentragedi02wodhgoog/page/320/mode/2up?q=%22how+true+this%22">Wodhull</a> (1809)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Oh, alas, how true the ancient saying is: we old men are nothing but noise and mere shapes, and we move as imitations of dreams; there is no intelligence in us, yet we think we have good sense.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Fragments/0PQlAQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22old+men+are+nothing+but+noise+and+mere+shapes%22&dq=%22old+men+are+nothing+but+noise+and+mere+shapes%22&printsec=frontcover">Collard & Cropp</a>  (2008)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Alas, the ancient proverb holds well:<br>
We old men are nothing other than a sound<br>
and an image, lurking imitations of dreams.<br>
We have no mind and but we think we know how to think well.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://sententiaeantiquae.com/2014/09/06/euripides-fr-25-aeolus-on-old-men-lurking-and-thinking/">@sentantiq</a> (2014)]</blockquote><br>



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		<title>Catullus -- Carmina #   3 &#8220;Death of the Sparrow,&#8221; ll. 11-12 [tr. Wright (1926), st. 4]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[But now in the shadows It goes to the bourne Of Orcus remorseless Whence none may return. [Qui nunc it per iter tenebricosum Illuc unde negant redire quemquam.] Referring to the fate of his beloved Lesbia&#8217;s beloved sparrow. See also Shakepeare, Hamlet, Art 3, ll. 86-88. Death, That undiscover&#8217;d country, from whose bourn No traveler [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But now in the shadows<br />
It goes to the bourne<br />
Of Orcus remorseless<br />
Whence none may return.</p>
<p><em>[Qui nunc it per iter tenebricosum<br />
Illuc unde negant redire quemquam.]</em></p>
<br><b>Catullus</b> (c. 84 BC – c. 54 BC) Latin poet [Gaius Valerius Catullus]<br>Carmina #   3 &#8220;Death of the Sparrow,&#8221; ll. 11-12 [tr. Wright (1926), st. 4] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.32106015467548&seq=110&q1=%22now+in+the+shadows%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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Referring to the fate of his beloved Lesbia's beloved sparrow.<br><br>

See also <a href="https://wist.info/shakespeare-william/8101/">Shakepeare</a>, <em>Hamlet</em>, Art 3, ll. 86-88. <br><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Death,<br>
That undiscover'd country, from whose bourn<br>
No traveler returns.</blockquote><br>

There is no particular evidence that Shakespeare ever read Catullus, but other ancients (e.g., Seneca) quoted these lines from this Carmina.  At the same time, post-Shakespearean translators may have been themselves influenced by the Bard's lines in their translations.<br><br>

(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0003%3Apoem%3D3#:~:text=qui%20nunc%20it%20per%20iter%20tenebricosum%0Ailluc%20unde%20negant%20redire%20quemquam.">Source (Latin)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>Poor bird! who now that darksome bourn<br>
Hast pass'd, whence none can e'er return.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc2.ark:/13960/t6154g976&seq=49&q1=%22darksome+bourn%22">Nott</a> (1795), ll. 13-14]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>He now that gloomy path must trace,<br>
<span class="tab">Whence Fate permits return to none.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_poems_of_Caius_Valerius_Catullus_tr/j10UAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22gloomy%20path%22">Lamb</a> (1821), st. 3]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Now he treads that gloomy track,<br>
Whence none ever may come back.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31175007358511&seq=39&q1=%22gloomy+track%22">T. Martin</a> (1861)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">Now to that dreary bourn<br>
<span class="tab">Whence none can e'er return,<br>
Poor little sparrow wings his weary flight.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=loc.ark:/13960/t1hh7rq7f&seq=45&q1=%22dreary+bourn%22">Cranstoun</a> (1867)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Now he wendeth along the mirky pathway,<br>
Whence, they tell us, is hopeless all returning.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/18867/pg18867-images.html#:~:text=Now%20he%20wendeth,hopeless%20all%20returning.">Ellis</a> (1871)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Now he has gone to that dark place,<br>
Whose dismal pathway none retrace.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=aeu.ark:/13960/t7cr6906m&seq=10&q1=%22that+dark+place%22">Bliss</a> (1872)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Now must he wander o'er the darkling way<br>
Thither, whence life-return the Fates denay.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0005%3Apoem%3D3#:~:text=Now%20must%20he%20wander%20o%27er%20the%20darkling%20way%0AThither%2C%20whence%20life%2Dreturn%20the%20Fates%20denay.">Burton</a> (1893)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Now it fares along that path of shadows from where nothing may ever return.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0006%3Apoem%3D3#:~:text=Now%20it%20fares%20along%20that%20path%20of%20shadows%20from%20where%20nothing%20may%20ever%20return.">Smithers</a> (1894)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Now, hs pretty doings o'er,<br>
His little soul goes darkling whither all<br>
<span class="tab">Must go, and, going, may return no more.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc2.ark:/13960/t6h132d4q&seq=89&q1=%22pretty+doings%22">Harman</a> (1897)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Now he goes along the dark road, thither whence they say no one returns.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_poems_of_Gaius_Valerius_Catullus_(Cornish)/Carmina_I-XXX#:~:text=Now%20he%20goes%20along%20the%20dark%20road%2C%20thither%20whence%20they%20say%20no%20one%20returns.">Warre Cornish</a> (1904)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The wee thing’s gane the shadowy road<br>
That’s never traveled back by ony:<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet-books/2007/09/miss-her-catullus#:~:text=The%20wee%20thing%E2%80%99s%20gane%20the%20shadowy%20road%0AThat%E2%80%99s%20never%20traveled%20back%20by%20ony%3A">Davies</a> (1912)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Now he travels the path of shadows, to that place, whence all men agree there is no return.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc2.ark:/13960/t4hm54w4w&seq=41&q1=%22path+of+shadows%22">Stuttaford</a> (1912)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Now does it seek the darksome way,<br>
Whence none return nor message bring.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc2.ark:/13960/t4pk0h310&seq=41&q1=%22darksome+way%22">Stewart</a> (1915), st. 4]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Now he's journeying through the eternal <br>
<span class="tab">Darkness, to the relentless shades.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.$b311029&seq=42&q1=%22journeying+through%22">Symons-Jeune</a> (1923), st. 4]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>And now he journeys whence they say<br>
No steps retrace the darkling way.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.$b267122&seq=19&q1=%22journeys+whence%22">MacNaghten</a> (1925)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Now he is gone; poor creature,<br>
lost in darkness,<br>
to a sad place<br>
from which no one returns.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.32106001542577&seq=29&q1=%22now+he+is+gone%22">Gregory</a> (1931), st. 3]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Who now? It's hard to walk through tenebrous flume<br>
down there, where it is granted not one comes back.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/browse?volume=94&issue=3&page=9">Zukofsky</a> (1959)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>It now flits off on its way, goes, gloom-laden<br>
down to where -- word is -- there is no returning.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Poems_of_Catullus/y_HafujaJM4C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22flits%20off%20on%22">C. Martin</a> (1979)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Who now goes through that gloomy journey<br>
from whence they denied anyone returns.<br>
[tr. <a href="http://rudy.negenborn.net/catullus/text2/e3.htm#:~:text=who%20now%20goes%20through%20that%20gloomy%20journey%0Afrom%20whence%20they%20denied%20anyone%20returns">Sullivan</a> (1997)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Now he goes down the shadowy road<br>
from which they say no one returns.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Latin/Catullus.php#:~:text=Now%20he%20goes,no%20one%20returns.">Kline</a> (2001)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Now he's traveling on that dark-shroud journey whence, they tell us, none of the departed ever returns.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Poems_of_Catullus/4qsYinaVXQ8C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22Now%20he%27s%20travelling%22">Green</a> (2005)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>It now goes through the dark journey<br>
to that place from where they deny that anyone returns.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/The_Poetry_of_Gaius_Valerius_Catullus/3#:~:text=it%20now%20goes%20through%20the%20dark%20journey">Wikibooks</a> (2017)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>He who now goes through the shadowy journey<br>
thither, whence they deny that anyone returns.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Translation:Catullus_3#:~:text=he%20who%20now%20goes%20through%20the%20shadowy%20journey%0Athither%2C%20whence%20they%20deny%20that%20anyone%20returns.">Wikisource</a> (2018)]</blockquote><br>
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