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		<title>Martin, Judith -- Miss Manners Rescues Civilization, ch.  1 &#8220;The Case Against Etiquette&#8221; (1996)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[To sacrifice the principles of manners, which require compassion and respect, and bat people over the head with their ignorance of etiquette rules they cannot be expected to know is both bad manners and poor etiquette. That social climbers and twits have misused etiquette throughout history should not be used as an argument for doing [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To sacrifice the principles of manners, which require compassion and respect, and bat people over the head with their ignorance of etiquette rules they cannot be expected to know is both bad manners and poor etiquette. That social climbers and twits have misused etiquette throughout history should not be used as an argument for doing away with it.</p>
<br><b>Judith Martin</b> (b. 1938) American author, journalist, etiquette expert [a.k.a. Miss Manners]<br><i>Miss Manners Rescues Civilization</i>, ch.  1 &#8220;The Case Against Etiquette&#8221; (1996) 
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		<title>David, Peter -- Babylon 5: Legions of Fire III – Out of the Darkness (2000)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He may have gone quite far in our society, but no matter how far one goes, one cannot avoid bringing oneself along.</p>
<br><b>Peter David</b> (b. 1956) American writer<br><i>Babylon 5: Legions of Fire III – Out of the Darkness</i> (2000) 
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		<title>Horace -- Satires [Saturae, Sermones], Book 1, #  9 &#8220;Ibam forte Via Sacra,&#8221; l.  56ff (1.9.56-60) (35 BC) [tr. Howes (1845)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[If that&#8217;s his humour, trust me, I shall spare No kind of pains to win admittance there: I&#8217;ll bribe his porter; if denied to-day, I&#8217;ll not desist, but try some other way: I&#8217;ll watch occasions &#8212; linger in his suite, Waylay, salute, huzzah him through the street. Nothing of consequence beneath the sun Without great [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If that&#8217;s his humour, trust me, I shall spare<br />
No kind of pains to win admittance there:<br />
I&#8217;ll bribe his porter; if denied to-day,<br />
I&#8217;ll not desist, but try some other way:<br />
I&#8217;ll watch occasions &#8212; linger in his suite,<br />
Waylay, salute, huzzah him through the street.<br />
Nothing of consequence beneath the sun<br />
Without great labour ever yet was done.</p>
<p><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><em>[Haud mihi dero:<br />
muneribus servos corrumpam; non, hodie si<br />
exclusus fuero, desistam; tempora quaeram,<br />
occurram in triviis, deducam. Nil sine magno<br />
vita labore dedit mortalibus]</em></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<br><b>Horace</b> (65–8 BC) Roman poet, satirist, soldier, politician [Quintus Horatius Flaccus]<br><i>Satires [Saturae, Sermones]</i>, Book 1, #  9 <i>&#8220;Ibam forte Via Sacra,&#8221;</i> l.  56ff (1.9.56-60) (35 BC) [tr. Howes (1845)] 
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A pesky bore and would-be social climber, describing his determination to wheedle his way into the social circle of Horace's friend, Maecenas.<br><br>

The last line was an old saying, found at least as early as Hesiod, <i>Works and Days</i>, l. 287 (c. 700 BC).<br><br>

(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0062%3Abook%3D1%3Apoem%3D9#:~:text=haud%20mihi%20dero%3A,vita%20labore%20dedit%20mortalibus">Source (Latin)</a>). Other translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>I will not fayle. Brybes shall corrupte his chéefist serving men:<br>
Though once or twice the gates be shut I will not cease yet then:<br>
Ile wayte my opportunitie, to meete him in the ways,<br>
To leade him home, to curtsey him, and cap him when he stayes.<br>
There is no good for to be borne, whilste we are lyuyng here:<br>
Excepte we lye, faune, flatter, face, cap, keele, ducke, crouche, smile, fiere.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A03670.0001.001/1:9.9?rgn=div2;view=fulltext#:~:text=I%20will%20not,crouche%2C%20smile%2C%20fiere.">Drant</a> (1567)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Well, to my self I will not wanting be,<br>
I'le watch his hours, his servants I will see;<br>
I will salute his Chariot in the street,<br>
I'le bring him home as often as we meet:<br>
We Courtiers strive for interest in vain,<br>
Unless by long observance it we gain.<br>
[ed. <a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?cc=eebo;c=eebo;idno=a44478.0001.001;node=A44478.0001.001:7;seq=1;rgn=div1;view=text#:~:text=Well%2C%20to%20my,it%20we%20gain.">Brome</a> (1666)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Well, when Occasion serves, I'le play my part,<br>
I'le spare no cost and charge, try every Art,<br>
Hang on his Coach, wait on him, all I can,<br>
Bribe, Flatter, Cringe, but I'me resolv'd to gain,<br>
'Tis only Labour, Sir, can raise a Man.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?cc=eebo;c=eebo;idno=a44471.0001.001;node=A44471.0001.001:7;seq=1;rgn=div1;view=text#:~:text=Well%2C%20when%20Occasion,raise%20a%20Man.">Creech</a> (1684)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>"I sha'n't be wanting there," he cried, <br>
"I'll bribe his servants to my side; <br>
To-day shut out, still onward press, <br>
And watch the seasons of access;<br>
In private haunt, in public meet, <br>
Salute, escort him through the street. <br>
There's nothing gotten in this life, <br>
Without a world of toil and strife."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/satiresepistlesi00hora/page/66/mode/2up?q=%22be+wanting+there%22">Francis</a> (1747)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I will not be wanting to myself; I will corrupt his servants with presents; if I am excluded to-day, I will not desist; I will seek opportunities; I will meet him in the public streets; I will wait upon him home. Life allows nothing to mortals without great labor.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Hor.+S.+1.9&fromdoc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0063#:~:text=I%20will%20not%20be%20wanting%20to%20myself%3B%20I%20will%20corrupt%20his%20servants%20with%20presents%3B%20if%20I%20am%20excluded%20to%2Dday%2C%20I%20will%20not%20desist%3B%20I%20will%20seek%20opportunities%3B%20I%20will%20meet%20him%20in%20the%20public%20streets%3B%20I%20will%20wait%20upon%20him%20home.%20Life%20allows%20nothing%20to%20mortals%20without%20great%20labor.">Smart/Buckley</a> (1853)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Oh, I shall do my duty, I will bribe his slaves, I won't give up. If on the day on which I call, he says he's not at home, I'll choose my times, I'll meet him at the crossings of the streets, nay, I'll escort him home; you know life gives man nought without some toil.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/satiresofhoracei00hora/page/58/mode/2up?q=%22I+shall+do+my+duty%22">Millington</a> (1870)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No fear of me, sir: a judicious bribe<br>
Will work a wonder with the menial tribe:<br>
Say, I'm refused admittance for to-day;<br>
I'll watch my time; I'll meet him in the way,<br>
Escort him, dog him. In this world of ours<br>
The path to what we want ne'er runs on flowers.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Satires,_Epistles_%26_Art_of_Poetry_of_Horace/Sat1-9#:~:text=No%20fear%20of,runs%20on%20flowers">Conington</a> (1874)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I'll not fail myself. I'll bribe his slaves. If shut out to-day, I'll not give up. I'll look for the fitting time ; I'll meet him in the streets; I'll escort him home. Life grants no boon to man without much toil.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/satiresepistlesa00horauoft/page/108/mode/2up?q=%22I%27ll+not+fail+myself%22">Fairclough</a> (Loeb) (1926)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">I bet I don't fail.<br>
I'll bribe all his servants. I'll keep coming back, pick my times,<br>
Meet him walking in town, join his escort. Nothing<br>
In life comes without labor.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/satiresanndepist0000hora/page/74/mode/2up?q=%22i+bet+i+don%27t+fail%22">Palmer Bovie</a> (1959)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">I’m confident. <br>
I'll bribe his servants. And if today, for example, I’m <br>
repulsed, I won't quit. I'll find a chance, bump into him <br>
in public, walk places with him; without great labor <br>
life gives us mortals naught.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/horacessatiresep0000hora/page/20/mode/2up?q=%22bribe+his+servants%22">Fuchs</a> (1977)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I'll do it, I'll do it! By god, I'll bribe<br>
His slaves, I'll never give up, I'll get <br>
My foot in his door, somehow. I'll watch,<br>
I'll wait, I'll catch him in the street,<br>
I'll follow him home. Nothing worth doing<br>
Is easy, here on earth!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/essentialhoraceo0000hora/page/158/mode/2up?q=%22i%27ll+bribe%22">Raffel</a> (1983)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O I won't spare myself. I'll bribe his slaves.<br>
Should I be kept out, I won't quit.<br>
I'll keep my eye open for the right moment.<br>
I'll run into him at some street-crossing.<br>
I'll escort him home. Without great toil<br>
life grants nothing to mortals.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/completeodessati0000hora/page/236/mode/2up?q=%22bribe+his+slaves%22">Alexander</a> (1999)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I'm on the case. I'll bribe his slaves. If I'm <br>
repelled today, I won't give up, I'll wait<br>
for the right time and meet him in the streets<br>
and then escort him home.<br>
<span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Life grants no man a prize<br>
<span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">who doesn't strive and strive.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/satiresofhorace0000hora_r9g5/page/44/mode/2up?q=%22on+the+case%22">Matthews</a> (2002)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">I shan't be found wanting.<br>
I'll bribe his servants; and if today they shut me out,<br>
I'll persevere, bide my time, meet him in the street,<br>
escort him home. "Not without unremitting toil<br>
are mortal prizes won."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/satiresofhoracep00hora/page/34/mode/2up?q=%22be+found+wanting+i%27ll%22">Rudd</a> (2005 ed.)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">I’ll not fail:<br>
I’ll bribe his servants with gifts: if I’m excluded<br>
Today, I’ll persist: I’ll search out a suitable time,<br>
Encounter him in the street, escort him home. Life grants<br>
Nothing to mortals without a great effort.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Latin/HoraceSatiresBkISatIX.php#anchor_Toc98155552:~:text=I%E2%80%99ll%20not%20fail,a%20great%20effort.">Kline</a> (2015)]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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