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		<title>Horace -- Satires [Saturae, Sermones], Book 2, #  2 &#8220;Quae virtus et quanta,&#8221; l. 101ff (2.2.101-105) (30 BC) [tr. Francis (1747)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Then why not better use this proud excess Of worthless wealth? Why lives in deep distress A man unworthy to be poor, or why The temples of the gods in ruins lie? Why not of such a massy treasure spare To thy dear country, wretch, a moderate share? [Ergo, quod superat non est melius quo [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then why not better use this proud excess<br />
Of worthless wealth? Why lives in deep distress<br />
A man unworthy to be poor, or why<br />
The temples of the gods in ruins lie?<br />
Why not of such a massy treasure spare<br />
To thy dear country, wretch, a moderate share?</p>
<p><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><em>[Ergo,<br />
quod superat non est melius quo insumere possis?<br />
Cur eget indignus quisquam te divite? Quare<br />
templa ruunt antiqua Deum? Cur, inprobe, carae<br />
non aliquid patriae tanto emetiris acervo?]</em></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<br><b>Horace</b> (65–8 BC) Roman poet, satirist, soldier, politician [Quintus Horatius Flaccus]<br><i>Satires [Saturae, Sermones]</i>, Book 2, #  2 <i>&#8220;Quae virtus et quanta,&#8221;</i> l. 101ff (2.2.101-105) (30 BC) [tr. Francis (1747)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/satiresepistlesi00hora/page/90/mode/2up?q=%22then+why+not+better+use%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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Reply when a rich person argues they are so wealthy they need not be concerned about wasteful spending.

(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0062%3Abook%3D2%3Apoem%3D2%3Acard%3D89#:~:text=ergo%2C%0Aquod,emetiris%20acervo%3F">Source (Latin)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>Therfore, the surplus of thy goodes applye to better ende.<br>
Why wante the silly needie soules refreshyng at thy hande?<br>
Why doo the temples of the gods, without repayryng stande?<br>
Thou corsye carle, thy countrey dere, from hougie substance suche<br>
Shall she have naught, wylt onely thou devoure alone so muche?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A03670.0001.001/1:10.2?rgn=div2;view=fulltext#:~:text=Therfore%2C%20the%20surplus,alone%20so%20muche%3F">Drant</a> (1567)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>What then? Can there no better way be found<br>
To spend that Wealth, with which you so abound?<br>
Why should so many brave men want? and why<br>
Should the Gods ancient Temples ruin'd lie <br>
While you are rich? Vile wretch! Why wilt not thou<br>
Out of thy needless store something allow<br>
For thy dear Countries good?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?cc=eebo;c=eebo;idno=a44478.0001.001;node=A44478.0001.001:7;seq=1;rgn=div1;view=text#:~:text=What%20then%3F%20Can,dear%20Countries%20good%3F">A. F.</a>; ed. Brome (1666)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Then is there no way else to spend thy Store?<br>
Why since thou'rt Rich, is any good Man Poor?<br>
Why are not ruin'd Fanes rebuilt? And why<br>
Doth not thy Wealth thy Neighbours wants supply?<br>
And hath thy Country this superfluous Coin?<br>
What measure hath it from this heap of Thine?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?cc=eebo;c=eebo;idno=a44471.0001.001;node=A44471.0001.001:7;seq=1;rgn=div1;view=text#:~:text=Then%20is%20there,heap%20of%20Thine%3F">Creech</a> (1684)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>And is there then, I ask, no other end<br>
On which the surplus thou might'st nobly spend?<br>
Say, why does merit starve in rags? or say,<br>
Why fall our ancient temples to decay?<br>
Why not from those superfluous hoards bestow<br>
A mite to sooth thy burthen'd country's woe?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Epodes_Satires_and_Epistles_of_Horac/TPgDAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22no%20other%20end%22">Howes</a> (1845)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Why then have you no better method of expending your superfluities? Why is any man, undeserving [of distressed circumstances], in want, while you abound? How comes it to pass, that the ancient temples of the gods are falling to ruin? Why do not you, wretch that you are, bestow something on your dear country, out of so vast a hoard?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0063%3Abook%3D2%3Apoem%3D2%3Acard%3D89#:~:text=Why%20then%20have,vast%20a%20hoard%3F">Smart/Buckley</a> (1853)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Then is there nothing on which you can spend your surplus income better? Why do any suffer want they don't deserve while you are rich? Why do the gods' time-honoured fanes fall to decay? And why, insatiate wretch, don't you mete out from those large stores of wealth some portion for your fatherland which should be dear?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/satiresofhoracei00hora/page/76/mode/2up?q=%22then+is+there+nothing%22">Millington</a> (1870)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Untold indeed! then can you not expend<br>
Your superflux on some diviner end?<br>
Why does one good man want while you abound?<br>
Why are Jove's temples tumbling to the ground?<br>
O selfish! what? devote no modicum<br>
To your dear country from so vast a sum?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Satires,_Epistles_%26_Art_of_Poetry_of_Horace/Sat2-2#:~:text=Untold%20indeed!%20then%20can%20you%20not%20expend%0AYour%20superflux%20on%20some%20diviner%20end%3F%0AWhy%20does%20one%20good%20man%20want%20while%20you%20abound%3F%0AWhy%20are%20Jove%27s%20temples%20tumbling%20to%20the%20ground%3F%0AO%20selfish!%20what%3F%20devote%20no%20modicum%0ATo%20your%20dear%20country%20from%20so%20vast%20a%20sum%3F">Conington</a> (1874)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Well, is there no better object on which you can spend your surplus? Why is any worthy man in want, while you are rich? Why are the ancient temples of the gods in ruin? Why, shameless man, do you not measure out something from that great heap for your dear country?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/satiresepistlesa00horauoft/page/144/mode/2up?q=%22there+no+better%22">Fairclough</a> (Loeb) (1926)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>And therefore there's no better way for you to unload<br>
Thie surplus? Why should a single deserving man<br>
Be in need when you are so rich? Why do the gods' ancient temples<br>
Fall into ruin? Why not dig into your pile<br>
And measure some out for your own dear country, you wretch?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/satiresanndepist0000hora/page/108/mode/2up?q=%22no+better+way%22">Palmer Bovie</a> (1959)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">If that's so and you have more<br>
money than you need, why not spend it in a better way?<br>
Why is anyone poor who shouldn't be, if you're so rich?<br>
Why do the gods' old temples need repair? You ingrate,<br>
for your beloved country's sake can't you dip into your stash?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/horacessatiresep0000hora/page/28/mode/2up?q=%22and+you+have+more%22">Fuchs</a> (1977)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Well, in that case, why not find a better<br>
way to spend your surplus? Why,<br>
so long as you are rich, should anyone be lacking<br>
in everything through no fault of his own?<br>
Why are the ancient temples of the gods<br>
falling into ruin? Why, shameless one,<br>
do you not siphon off something <br>
from that great reservoir of money<br>
to present to your dear country?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/completeodessati0000hora/page/256/mode/2up?q=%22well+in+that+case%2C+why%22">Alexander</a> (1999)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">There's nothing<br>
better you could spend your surplus for?<br>
Why's any good man poor while you're so rich?<br>
The temples of the gods could use repair.<br>
Are you so shameless you'll give nothing<br>
to your country?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/satiresofhorace0000hora_r9g5/page/60/mode/2up?q=%22there%27s+nothing+better%22">Matthews</a> (2002)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Well then, can't you think of a better way<br>
to get rid of your surplus? Why should any decent man<br>
be in need while you are rich> Why, if you've any conscience,<br>
don't you give something from that pile you've made to the land of your birth?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/satiresofhoracep00hora/page/44/mode/2up?q=%22think+of+a+better%22">Rudd</a> (2005 ed.)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Well then, isn’t there something<br>
Better you can spend the surplus on? Why, when you’re<br>
Rich, are there any deserving men in need? Why are<br>
The ancient temples of the gods in ruins? Why, man<br>
Without shame, don’t you offer your dear country a tithe<br>
From that vast heap?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Latin/HoraceSatiresBkIISatII.php#anchor_Toc98154910:~:text=Well%20then%2C%20isn%E2%80%99t,that%20vast%20heap%3F">Kline</a> (2015)]</blockquote><br>
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		<title>Ingersoll, Robert Green -- Speech (1886-11-14), &#8220;A Lay Sermon,&#8221; American Secular Union annual congress, Chickering Hall, New York City</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is an insanity to get more than you want. Imagine a man in this city, an intelligent man, say with two or three millions of coats, eight or ten millions of hats, vast warehouses full of shoes, billions of neckties, and imagine that man getting up at four o&#8217;clock in the morning, in the [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is an insanity to get more than you want. Imagine a man in this city, an intelligent man, say with two or three millions of coats, eight or ten millions of hats, vast warehouses full of shoes, billions of neckties, and imagine that man getting up at four o&#8217;clock in the morning, in the rain and snow and sleet, working like a dog all day to get another necktie! Is not that exactly what the man of twenty or thirty millions, or of five millions, does to-day? Wearing his life out that somebody may say, &#8220;How rich he is!&#8221;</p>
<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833-1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>Speech (1886-11-14), &#8220;A Lay Sermon,&#8221; American Secular Union annual congress, Chickering Hall, New York City 
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		<title>Baudelaire, Charles -- Le Spleen de Paris (Petits Poèmes en Prose), No. 28 &#8220;The Counterfeit Money [La Fausse Monnaie]&#8221; (1869) [tr. Shipley (1919)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is no sweeter pleasure than to surprise a man by giving him more than he expected. [Il n&#8217;est pas de plaisir plus doux que de surprendre un homme en lui donnant plus qu&#8217;il n&#8217;espère.] (Source (French)). Alternate translations: There is no sweeter pleasure than to surprise a man by giving him more than he [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no sweeter pleasure than to surprise a man by giving him more than he expected.</p>
<p><em>[Il n&#8217;est pas de plaisir plus doux que de surprendre un homme en lui donnant plus qu&#8217;il n&#8217;espère.]</em></p>
<br><b>Charles Baudelaire</b> (1821-1867) French poet, essayist, art critic<br><i>Le Spleen de Paris (Petits Poèmes en Prose)</i>, No. 28 &#8220;The Counterfeit Money <i>[La Fausse Monnaie]&#8221;</i> (1869) [tr. Shipley (1919)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/47032/pg47032-images.html#:~:text=there%20is%20no%20sweeter%20pleasure%20than%20to%20surprise%20a%20man%20by%20giving%20him%20more%20than%20he%20expected" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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(<a href="https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/La_Fausse_Monnaie#:~:text=vous%20avez%20raison%C2%A0%3B-,il%20n%E2%80%99est%20pas%20de%20plaisir%20plus%20doux%20que%20de%20surprendre%20un%20homme%20en%20lui%20donnant%20plus%20qu%E2%80%99il%20n%E2%80%99esp%C3%A8re.,-%C2%BB">Source (French)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>There is no sweeter pleasure than to surprise a man by giving him more than he expects.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Paris_Spleen_1869/15craP5h4O4C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22project%20is%20sufficient%22">Varèse</a> (1970)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>There is no sweeter pleasure than surprising a man by giving him more than he hopes for.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/parisianprowlerl0000baud/page/70/mode/2up?q=%22no+sweeter+pleasure%22">Kaplan</a> (1989)]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember that we can own only what we can assimilate and appreciate, no more. Many wealthy people are little more than janitors of their possessions.</p>
<br><b>Frank Lloyd Wright</b> (1867-1959) American architect, interior designer, writer, educator [b. Frank Lincoln Wright]<br><i>On Architecture: Selected Writings (1894-1940)</i> (1941) 
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		<title>Lobel, Arnold -- The Fiction Magazine, Vol. 5 (1986)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Books to the ceiling, books to the sky.<br />
My pile of books are a mile high.<br />
How I love them!<br />
How I need them!<br />
I&#8217;ll have a long beard by the time I read them.</p>
<br><b>Arnold Lobel</b> (1933-1987) American author, illustrator<br><i>The Fiction Magazine</i>, Vol. 5 (1986) 
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		<title>Ackoff, Russell -- &#8220;Management Misinformation Systems,&#8221; Management Sciences (Dec 1967)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do not deny that most managers lack a good deal of information that they should have, but I do deny that this is the most important informational deficiency from which they suffer. It seems to me that they suffer more from an overabundance of irrelevant information.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not deny that most managers lack a good deal of information that they should have, but I do deny that this is the most important informational deficiency from which they suffer. It seems to me that they suffer more from an overabundance of irrelevant information.</p>
<br><b>Russell L. Ackoff</b> (1919-2009) American organizational theorist, consultant, management scientist<br>&#8220;Management Misinformation Systems,&#8221; <i>Management Sciences</i> (Dec 1967) 
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		<title>Heywood, John -- Proverbes, Part 2, ch. 11 (1546)</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Enough is as good as a feast.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enough is as good as a feast.</p>
<br><b>John Heywood</b> (1497?-1580?) English playwright and epigrammist<br><i>Proverbes</i>, Part 2, ch. 11 (1546) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Proverbs_of_John_Heywood/NHJIAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22good%20as%20a%20feast%22&pg=PA173&printsec=frontcover" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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