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		<title>Bolt, Robert -- A Man for All Seasons, play, Act 1 (1960)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[MORE: (looks at him: takes him aside: lowered voice) Have I your word, that what we say here is between us and has no existence beyond these walls? NORFOLK: (impatient) Very well. MORE: (almost whispering) And if the King should command you to repeat what I have said? NORFOLK: I should keep my word to [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">MORE: <em>(looks at him: takes him aside: lowered voice)</em> Have I your word, that what we say here is between us and has no existence beyond these walls?</p>
<p class="hangingindent">NORFOLK: <em>(impatient)</em> Very well.</p>
<p class="hangingindent">MORE: <em>(almost whispering)</em> And if the King should command you to repeat what I have said?</p>
<p class="hangingindent">NORFOLK: I should keep my word to you!</p>
<p class="hangingindent">MORE: Then what has become of your oath of obedience to the King?</p>
<p class="hangingindent">NORFOLK: <em>(indignant)</em> You lay traps for me!</p>
<p class="hangingindent">MORE: <em>(now grown calm)</em> No, I show you the times.</p>
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<br><b>Robert Bolt</b> (1924-1995) English dramatist<br><i>A Man for All Seasons</i>, play, Act 1 (1960) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/manforallseasons0000unse_m6c8/page/52/mode/2up?q=%22have+i+your+word%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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In Bolt's 1966 film adaptation, this is slightly <a href="https://www.scripts.com/script/a_man_for_all_seasons_1131/9#:~:text=MORE%20arrests%20him,you%20the%20times.">shortened</a>:<br><br>

<blockquote>MORE: <em>(arrests him; makes a display of looking about, conspiratorial)</em> Have I your word that what we say here is between us two?<br>
NORFOLK: <em>(impatient)</em> Very well.<br>
MORE: And if the King should command you to repeat what I may say?<br>
NORFOLK: I should keep my word to you!<br>
MORE: Then what has become of your oath of obedience to the King?<br>
NORFOLK: <em>(sorts this out; then, astounded)</em> You lay traps for me!<br>
MORE: No, I show you the times.</blockquote><br>



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		<title>Serling, Rod -- Seven Days in May, film (1964)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[LYMAN: He’s not the enemy. Scott, the Joint Chiefs, even the very emotional, very illogical lunatic fringe: they’re not the enemy. The enemy’s an age &#8212; a nuclear age. It happens to have killed man’s faith in his ability to influence what happens to him. And out of this comes a sickness, and out of [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">LYMAN: He’s not the enemy. Scott, the Joint Chiefs, even the very emotional, very illogical lunatic fringe: they’re not the enemy. The enemy’s an age &#8212; a nuclear age. It happens to have killed man’s faith in his ability to influence what happens to him. And out of this comes a sickness, and out of sickness a frustration, a feeling of impotence, helplessness, weakness. And from this, this desperation, we look for a champion in red, white, and blue. Every now and then a man on a white horse rides by, and we appoint him to be our personal god for the duration. For some men it was a Senator McCarthy, for others it was a General Walker, and now it’s a General Scott. </p>
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<br><b>Rod Serling</b> (1924-1975) American screenwriter, playwright, television producer, narrator <br><i>Seven Days in May</i>, film (1964) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058576/quotes/?item=qt0278938&ref_=ext_shr_lnk" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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Based on the 1962 novel by Fletcher Knebel and Charles W. Bailey II.<br><br>

These lines are almost all Serling's.  By wording, the only parallel I could find in the original novel was this:<br><br>

<blockquote>The nuclear age, by killing man’s faith in his ability to influence what happens, could destroy the United States even if no bombs were ever dropped.<br> 
[<a href="https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.124792/page/n135/mode/2up?q=%22killing+man%27s+faith%22">Source</a>]</blockquote><br>




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		<title>Brilliant, Ashleigh -- Pot-Shots, #5712</title>
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<br><b>Ashleigh Brilliant</b> (b. 1933) Anglo-American epigramist, aphorist, cartoonist<br><i>Pot-Shots</i>, #5712 
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		<title>Baldwin, James -- &#8220;Why I Stopped Hating Shakespeare&#8221;</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is said that his time was easier than ours, but I doubt it &#8212; no time can be easy if one is living through it.]]></description>
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<br><b>James Baldwin</b> (1924-1987) American novelist, playwright, activist<br>&#8220;Why I Stopped Hating Shakespeare&#8221; 
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		<title>Aristophanes -- The Clouds, l. 914 (c. 423 BC) [tr. Arrowsmith (1962)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Times change. The vices of your age are stylish today. This phrase comes from a single translation, by William Arrowsmith (1962), of Aristophanes, The Clouds, l. 914. It is the only translation that includes anything like that: [909] Philosophy: Why, you Precocious Pederast! You Palpable Pervert! [910] Sophistry: Pelt me with roses! [910] Philosophy: You [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Times change. The vices of your age are stylish today.</p>
<br><b>Aristophanes</b> (c. 450-c. 388 BC) Athenian comedic playwright<br><i>The Clouds</i>, l. 914 (c. 423 BC) [tr. Arrowsmith (1962)] 
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This phrase comes from a single translation, by <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Clouds/BFM6AAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22The+vices+of+your+age+are+stylish+today.%22&dq=%22The+vices+of+your+age+are+stylish+today.%22&printsec=frontcover">William Arrowsmith</a> (1962), of Aristophanes, <i>The Clouds</i>, l. 914. It is the only translation that includes anything like that:<br>

<blockquote>[909] Philosophy: Why, you Precocious Pederast! You Palpable Pervert!<br>
[910] Sophistry: Pelt me with roses!<br>
[910] Philosophy: You Toadstool! O Cesspool!<br>
[911] Sophistry: Wreath my hairs with lilies!<br>
[911] Philosophy: Why, you Parricide!<br>
[912] Sophistry: Shower me with gold! Look, don't you see I welcome your abuse?<br>
[913] Philosophy: Welcome it, monster? In my day we would have cringed with shame.<br>
[914] Sophistry: Whereas now we're flattered. Times change. The vices of your age are stylish today.</blockquote><br>

Compare to <a href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0019.tlg003.perseus-eng1:889-919">Hickey</a> (1853):
<blockquote>[909] Just Cause: You are debauched and shameless.<br>
[910] Unjust Cause: You have spoken roses of me.<br>
[910] Just Cause: And a dirty lickspittle.<br>
[911] Unjust Cause: You crown me with lilies.<br>
[911] Just Cause: And a parricide.<br>
[912] Unjust Cause: You don't know that you are sprinkling me with gold.<br>
[913] Just Cause: Certainly not so formerly, but with lead.<br>
[914] Unjust Cause: But now this is an ornament to me.</blockquote>
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		<title>Emerson, Ralph Waldo -- &#8220;Works and Days,&#8221; Society and Solitude, ch.  7 (1870)</title>
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<br><b>Ralph Waldo Emerson</b> (1803-1882) American essayist, lecturer, poet<br>&#8220;Works and Days,&#8221; <i>Society and Solitude</i>, ch.  7 (1870) 
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		<title>Tolkien, J.R.R. -- The Lord of the Rings, Vol. 2: The Two Towers, Book 3, ch.  2 &#8220;The Riders of Rohan&#8221; [Eomer and Aragorn] (1954)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;How shall a man judge what to do in such times?&#8221; &#8220;As he ever has judged,&#8221; said Aragorn. &#8220;Good and ill have not changed since yesteryear; nor are they one thing among Elves and Dwarves, and another among Men. It is a man&#8217;s part to discern them, as much in the Golden Wood as in [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="tab">&#8220;How shall a man judge what to do in such times?&#8221;<br />
<span class="tab">&#8220;As he ever has judged,&#8221; said Aragorn. &#8220;Good and ill have not changed since yesteryear; nor are they one thing among Elves and Dwarves, and another among Men. It is a man&#8217;s part to discern them, as much in the Golden Wood as in his own house.&#8221;</p>
<br><b>J.R.R. Tolkien</b> (1892-1973) English writer, fabulist, philologist, academic [John Ronald Reuel Tolkien]<br><i>The Lord of the Rings, Vol. 2: The Two Towers</i>, Book 3, ch.  2 &#8220;The Riders of Rohan&#8221; [Eomer and Aragorn] (1954) 
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		<title>Emerson, Ralph Waldo -- &#8220;Public and Private Education,&#8221; lecture, Boston (1864-11-27)</title>
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<br><b>Ralph Waldo Emerson</b> (1803-1882) American essayist, lecturer, poet<br>&#8220;Public and Private Education,&#8221; lecture, Boston (1864-11-27) 
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