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		<title>Antrim, Minna -- Naked Truth and Veiled Allusions (1902)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A witticism is that clever thing you wish you had said, not listened to.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A witticism is that clever thing you wish you had said, not listened to.</p>
<br><b>Minna Antrim</b> (1861-1950) American epigrammatist, writer<br><i>Naked Truth and Veiled Allusions</i> (1902) 
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		<title>Burgh, James -- The Dignity of Human Nature, Sec. 5 &#8220;Miscellaneous Thoughts on Prudence in Conversation&#8221; (1754)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[As nothing is more provoking to some tempers than raillery, a prudent person will not always be satirically witty where he can, but only where he may without offence. For he will consider the that the finest stroke of raillery is but a witticism; and that there is hardly any person so mean, whose good [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As nothing is more provoking to some tempers than raillery, a prudent person will not always be satirically witty where he can, but only where he may without offence. For he will consider the that the finest stroke of raillery is but a witticism; and that there is hardly any person so mean, whose good will is not preferable to the pleasure of a horse-laugh.</p>
<br><b>James Burgh</b> (1714-1775) British politician and writer<br><i>The Dignity of Human Nature</i>, Sec. 5 &#8220;Miscellaneous Thoughts on Prudence in Conversation&#8221; (1754) 
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		<title>Wilde, Oscar -- (Attributed)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[WILDE: I wish I had said that. WHISTLER: You will, Oscar, you will. An anecdotal exchange between Wilde and James Whistler, associated with how Wilde was known for reusing epigrams and witticisms from various folk, usually not crediting them. References to the exchange date back, in various sources and forms, as far as 1886, with [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WILDE: I wish I had said that.<br />
WHISTLER: You will, Oscar, you will.</p>
<br><b>Oscar Wilde</b> (1854-1900) Irish poet, wit, dramatist<br>(Attributed) 
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An anecdotal exchange between Wilde and <a href="https://wist.info/author/whistler-james-mcneill/">James Whistler</a>, associated with how Wilde was known for reusing epigrams and witticisms from various folk, usually not crediting them.<br><br>

References to the exchange date back, in various sources and forms, as far as 1886, with the specific language varying, and the original <em>bon mot</em> from (usually) Whistler not mentioned. More details and discussion: <a href="https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/09/05/oscar-will/">“I Wish I Had Said That” “You Will, Oscar, You Will” – Quote Investigator®</a>.
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		<title>Horace -- Satires [Saturae, Sermones], Book 1, # 10 &#8220;Nempe incomposito,&#8221; l.  14ff (1.10.14-15) (35 BC) [tr. Francis (1747)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[For ridicule shall frequently prevail, And cut the knot, when graver reasons fail. [Ridiculum acri Fortius et melius magnas plerumque secat res.] On varying and selecting the proper tone and style when writing. (Source (Latin)). Alternate translations: A Drolling merry stile does better hit Great matters, then a down-right railing Wit. [tr. A. B.; ed. [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For ridicule shall frequently prevail,<br />
And cut the knot, when graver reasons fail.</p>
<p><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><em>[Ridiculum acri<br />
Fortius et melius magnas plerumque secat res.]</em></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<br><b>Horace</b> (65–8 BC) Roman poet, satirist, soldier, politician [Quintus Horatius Flaccus]<br><i>Satires [Saturae, Sermones]</i>, Book 1, # 10 <i>&#8220;Nempe incomposito,&#8221;</i> l.  14ff (1.10.14-15) (35 BC) [tr. Francis (1747)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/satiresepistlesi00hora/page/70/mode/2up?q=%22for+ridicule%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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On varying and selecting the proper tone and style when writing.<br><br>

(<a href="https://archive.org/details/satiresepistlesi00hora/page/70/mode/2up?q=%22Ridiculum+acri%22">Source (Latin)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>A Drolling merry stile does better hit<br>
Great matters, then a down-right railing Wit.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?cc=eebo;c=eebo;idno=a44478.0001.001;node=A44478.0001.001:7;seq=1;rgn=div1;view=text#:~:text=A%20Drolling%20merry,right%20railing%20Wit">A. B.</a>; ed. Brome (1666)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">A waggish sneer<br>
Doth nick the great Ones more then a severe.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?cc=eebo;c=eebo;idno=a44471.0001.001;node=A44471.0001.001:7;seq=1;rgn=div1;view=text#:~:text=a%20waggish%20sneer,then%20a%20severe">Creech</a> (1684)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>For oft a smile beyond a frown prevails,<br>
And raillery triumphs where invective fails.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Epodes_Satires_and_Epistles_of_Horac/TPgDAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22frown%20prevails%22">Howes</a> (1845)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>For ridicule often decides matters of importance more effectually and in a better manner, than severity.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_works_of_Horace/First_Book_of_Satires#X:~:text=For%20ridicule%20often%20decides%20matters%20of%20importance%20more%20effectually%20and%20in%20a%20better%20manner%2C%20than%20severity.">Smart/Buckley</a> (1853)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The satire's jest will generally solve all matters of great moment with more spirit and success than declamation's gravity.<br>
[tr. The <a href="https://archive.org/details/satiresofhoracei00hora/page/60/mode/2up?q=%22satire%27s+jest%22">Millington</a> (1870)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>And pleasantry will often cut clean through<br>
Hard knots that gravity would scarce undo.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Satires,_Epistles_%26_Art_of_Poetry_of_Horace/Sat1-10#:~:text=And%20pleasantry%20will%20often%20cut%20clean%20through%0AHard%20knots%20that%20gravity%20would%20scarce%20undo.">Conington</a> (1874)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Humour very often cuts the knot of serious questions more trenchantly and successfully than severity.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Horace_for_English_Readers/fB8MAAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22cuts%20the%20knot%22">Wickham</a> (1903)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Jesting oft cuts hard knots more forcefully and effectively than gravity.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/satiresepistlesa00horauoft/page/116/mode/2up?q=%22jesting+oft%22">Fairclough</a> (Loeb) (1926)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>A jest often decides matters of importance more effectively and happily than seriousness.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/completeworksofh00hora/page/36/mode/2up?q=%22a+jest+often+decides%22">Wells</a>, ed. Kraemer (1936)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>A good witticism is often conclusive and forceful<br>
Where a sober remark is not.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/satiresanndepist0000hora/page/76/mode/2up?q=%22good+witticism%22">Palmer Bovie</a> (1959)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Frequently a clever stroke is better,<br>
abler in cutting at big problems than something serious.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/horacessatiresep0000hora/page/20/mode/2up?q=%22clever+stroke%22">Fuchs</a> (1977)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Most times, ridicule cuts sharp and clean <br>
when it deals with serious matters<br>
and arouses indignation for the most part.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/completeodessati0000hora/page/238/mode/2up?q=%22ridicule+cuts%22">Alexander</a> (1999)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Jokes can slice<br>
knots that blunt earnest attack.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/satiresofhorace0000hora_r9g5/page/46/mode/2up?q=%22jokes+can%22">Matthews</a> (2002)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Humour is often stronger <br>
and more effective than sharpness in cutting knotty issues.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/satiresofhoracep00hora/page/34/mode/2up?q=%22in+cutting+knotty%22">Rudd</a> (2005 ed.)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Ridicule usually<br>
Cuts through things better, more swiftly, than force.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Latin/HoraceSatiresBkISatX.php#anchor_Toc98155847:~:text=Ridicule%20usually,swiftly%2C%20than%20force.">Kline</a> (2015)]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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