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		<title>Euripides -- Medea [Μήδεια], l. 407ff (431 BC) [tr. Kovacs (Loeb) (1994)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[MEDEA: And furthermore we are women, unable to perform noble deeds, but most skillful architects of every sort of harm. [ΜΉΔΕΙΑ:Πρὸς δὲ καὶ πεφύκαμεν γυναῖκες, ἐς μὲν ἔσθλ᾽ ἀμηχανώταται, κακῶν δὲ πάντων τέκτονες σοφώταται.] Euripides presses his thumb on the scales a little bit heavily here. (Source (Greek)). Other translations: Altho&#8217; by nature form&#8217;d Without [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p>MEDEA: And furthermore we are women, unable to perform noble deeds, but most skillful architects of every sort of harm.</p>
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<p>[ΜΉΔΕΙΑ:<span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Πρὸς δὲ καὶ πεφύκαμεν<br />
γυναῖκες, ἐς μὲν ἔσθλ᾽ ἀμηχανώταται,<br />
κακῶν δὲ πάντων τέκτονες σοφώταται.]<br /></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<br><b>Euripides</b> (485?-406? BC) Greek tragic dramatist<br><i>Medea</i> [Μήδεια], l. 407ff (431 BC) [tr. Kovacs (Loeb) (1994)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/euripides00euri_0/mode/2up?q=%22women%2C+unable+to+perform+noble+deeds%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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Euripides presses his thumb on the scales a little bit heavily here.<br><br>

(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0113%3Acard%3D364#:~:text=%CF%80%CF%81%E1%BD%B8%CF%82%20%CE%B4%E1%BD%B2%20%CE%BA%CE%B1%E1%BD%B6%20%CF%80%CE%B5%CF%86%CF%8D%CE%BA%CE%B1%CE%BC%CE%B5%CE%BD%0A%CE%B3%CF%85%CE%BD%CE%B1%E1%BF%96%CE%BA%CE%B5%CF%82%2C%20%E1%BC%90%CF%82%20%CE%BC%E1%BD%B2%CE%BD%20%E1%BC%94%CF%83%CE%B8%CE%BB%E1%BE%BD%20%E1%BC%80%CE%BC%CE%B7%CF%87%CE%B1%CE%BD%CF%8E%CF%84%CE%B1%CF%84%CE%B1%CE%B9%2C%0A%CE%BA%CE%B1%CE%BA%E1%BF%B6%CE%BD%20%CE%B4%E1%BD%B2%20%CF%80%CE%AC%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%89%CE%BD%20%CF%84%CE%AD%CE%BA%CF%84%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%B5%CF%82%20%CF%83%CE%BF%CF%86%CF%8E%CF%84%CE%B1%CF%84%CE%B1%CE%B9.">Source (Greek)</a>). Other translations: <br><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Altho' by nature form'd <br>
Without a genius apt for virtuous deeds. <br>
We women are in mischiefs most expert.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/nineteentragedi01wodhgoog/page/268/mode/2up?q=%22Altho%27+by+nature%22">Wodhull</a> (1782)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Nature form'd our sex to good<br>
Of slight capacity, but to revenge<br>
Of ready and inventive subtlety.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Bacch%C3%A6_Ion_Alcestis_Medea_Hippolytu/L8tCAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22nature%20form%27d%20our%22">Potter</a> (1814)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">We women too art born<br>
Most profitless indeed to noble works,<br>
But cunningest devisers of all harms.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Medea_(Webster_1868)#:~:text=We%20women%20too%20art%20born%0AMost%20profitless%20indeed%20to%20noble%20works%2C%0ABut%20cunningest%20devisers%20of%20all%20harms.">Webster</a> (1868)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>We women, though by nature little apt for virtuous deeds, are most expert to fashion any mischief.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Plays_of_Euripides_(Coleridge)/Medea#:~:text=we%20women%2C%20though%20by%20nature%20little%20apt%20for%20virtuous%20deeds%2C%20are%20most%20expert%20to%20fashion%20any%20mischief.">Coleridge</a> (1891)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Besides also we women are, by nature, to good actions of the least capacity, but the most cunning inventors of every ill.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/15081/pg15081-images.html#MEDEA:~:text=Besides%20also%20we%20women%20are%2C%20by%20nature%2C%20to%20good%20actions%20of%20the%20least%20capacity%2C%20but%20the%20most%20cunning%20inventors%20of%20every%20ill.">Buckley</a> (1892)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Yea, our woman-nature 'tis --<br>
Say they -- to be most helpless for all good,<br>
But fashioners most cunning of all ill.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Tragedies_of_Euripides_(Way)/Medea#:~:text=Yea%2C%20our%20woman%2Dnature%20%27tis%E2%80%94%0ASay%20they%E2%80%94to%20be%20most%20helpless%20for%20all%20good%2C%0ABut%20fashioners%20most%20cunning%20of%20all%20ill.">Way</a> (Loeb) (1894)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>And God hath made thee woman, things most vain<br>
For help, but wondrous in the paths of pain.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/35451/pg35451-images.html#:~:text=And%20God%20hath%20made%20thee%20woman%2C%20things%20most%20vain%0AFor%20help%2C%20but%20wondrous%20in%20the%20paths%20of%20pain.">Murray</a> (1906)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>And women, though most helpless in doing good deeds, <br>
Are of every evil the cleverest of contrivers.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/euripides-medea-warner.ocr/page/72/mode/2up?q=%22And+women%2C+though%22">Warner</a> (1944)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>We were born women -- useless for honest purposes,<br>
But in all kinds of evil skilled practitioners.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/medeaotherplays0000euri/page/28/mode/2up?q=%22honest+purposes%22">Vellacott</a> (1963)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">And what is more,<br>
We're women, quite unable to manage good<br>
But none more skilled when it comes to doing harm.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/euripides-medea-podlecki_20220818/page/31/mode/2up?q=%22manage+good%22">Podlecki</a> (1989)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>And furthermore we are women, unable to perform great deeds of valor, but most skillful architects of every evil.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0114%3Acard%3D364#:~:text=And%20furthermore%20we%20are%20women%2C%20unable%20to%20perform%20great%20deeds%20of%20valor%2C%20but%20most%20skilful%20architects%20of%20every%20evil.">Kovacs</a> (Perseus)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>What's more, we are women, quite helpless in doing good but surpassing any master craftsman in working evil.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/medeaotherplays0000euri_d3q9/page/60/mode/2up?q=%22quite+helpless%22">Davie</a> (1996)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>We women might be awful at doing something good but we are very competent when we’re doing something evil.  No one is better than us.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://bacchicstage.wpcomstaging.com/euripides/medea/#:~:text=We%2C%20women%20might%20be%20awful%20at%20doing%20something%20good%20but%20we%20are%20very%20competent%20when%20we%E2%80%99re%20doing%20something%20evil.%C2%A0%20No%20one%20is%20better%20than%20us.">Theodoridis</a> (2004)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">And besides we are <br>
women, most helpless for the good, <br>
but skilled craftsmen of all that is evil.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://diotima-doctafemina.org/translations/greek/euripides-medea/#:~:text=And%20besides%20we%20are%C2%A0%0Awomen%2C%20most%20helpless%20for%20the%20good%2C%C2%A0%0Abut%20skilled%20craftsmen%20of%20all%20that%20is%20evil.">Luschnig</a> (2007)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Besides, we possess a woman’s nature --<br>
powerless to perform fine noble deeds,<br>
but very skilled in every form of evil.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://johnstoniatexts.x10host.com/euripides/medeahtml.html#:~:text=Besides%2C%20we%20possess%20a%20woman%E2%80%99s%20nature%E2%80%94%0Apowerless%20to%20perform%20fine%20noble%20deeds%2C%0Abut%20very%20skilled%20in%20every%20form%20of%20evil.">Johnston</a> (2008)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Also we were born as women, very helpless when it comes to doing good, but very wise creators of all kinds of harm.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Euripides_Medea/kNBUEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22also%20we%20were%20born%22">Ewans</a> (2022)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>And more than this, we are women, naturally most helpless <em>[amēkhanai]</em>, when it comes to noble deeds <em>[esthla]</em>, but for all evils <em>[kaka]</em> we are most skilled <em>[sophai]</em> contrivers.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://chs.harvard.edu/primary-source/euripides-medea/#:~:text=And%20more%20than%20this%2C%20we%20are%20women%2C%20naturally%20most%20helpless%20%5B4%5D%C2%A0%5Bam%C4%93khanai%5D%2C%20when%20it%20comes%20to%20noble%20deeds%20%5Besthla%5D%2C%20but%20for%20all%20evils%20%5Bkaka%5D%20we%20are%20most%20skilled%20%5Bsophai%5D%20contrivers.">Coleridge / Ceragioli / Nagy / Hour25</a>]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Carlin, George -- Book (2004), When Will Jesus Bring the Pork Chops?, &#8220;Guys &#038; Dolls: Part 1&#8221;</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#8217;s all you need to know about men and women: Women are crazy and men are stupid. And the main reason women are crazy is that men are stupid. It&#8217;s not the only reason, but it&#8217;s a big one. And by the way, if you don&#8217;t think men are stupid, check the newspaper. [&#8230;] And [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s all you need to know about men and women: Women are crazy and men are stupid. And the main reason women are crazy is that men are stupid. It&#8217;s not the only reason, but it&#8217;s a big one. And by the way, if you don&#8217;t think men are stupid, check the newspaper. [&#8230;] And if you don&#8217;t think women are crazy, ask a man. That&#8217;s the one thing men aren&#8217;t stupid about: they know for sure, way deep down in their hearts, that women are straight-out fucking nuts.</p>
<br><b>George Carlin</b> (1937-2008) American comedian<br>Book (2004), <i>When Will Jesus Bring the Pork Chops?</i>, &#8220;Guys &#038; Dolls: Part 1&#8221; 
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		<title>Fuller, Thomas (1654) -- Introductio ad Prudentiam, Vol. 2, # 2214 (1727)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When thou art in the Company of Ladies behave civilly, and shew good Breeding. They will easily pardon a Man&#8217;s Want of Sense, but rarely his Want of Manners.</p>
<br><b>Thomas Fuller</b> (1654-1734) English physician, preacher, aphorist, writer<br><i>Introductio ad Prudentiam</i>, Vol. 2, # 2214 (1727) 
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		<title>Jong, Erica -- Fear of Flying (1973)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Men have always detested women&#8217;s gossip because they suspect the truth: their measurements are being taken and compared.</p>
<br><b>Erica Jong</b> (b. 1942) American writer, poet<br><i>Fear of Flying</i> (1973) 
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		<title>Martin, Judith -- Interview (1997-03), &#8220;She Says: Miss Manners,&#8221; by Sandy Fernández, Ms magazine, Vol. 7, No. 5 (1997-03/04)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A lot of men got upset at the feminist movement because they had all the toys and we wanted some.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of men got upset at the feminist movement because they had all the toys and we wanted some.</p>
<br><b>Judith Martin</b> (b. 1938) American author, journalist, etiquette expert [a.k.a. Miss Manners]<br>Interview (1997-03), &#8220;She Says: Miss Manners,&#8221; by Sandy Fernández, <i>Ms</i> magazine, Vol. 7, No. 5 (1997-03/04) 
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		<title>Ivins, Molly -- Essay (1986), &#8220;Texas Women: True Grit and All the Rest,&#8221; Texas Celebrates! commemorative magazine</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They used to say that Texas was hell on women and horses &#8212; I don&#8217;t know why they stopped.</p>
<br><b>Molly Ivins</b> (1944-2007) American writer, political columnist [Mary Tyler Ivins]<br>Essay (1986), &#8220;Texas Women: True Grit and All the Rest,&#8221; <i>Texas Celebrates!</i> commemorative magazine 
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		<title>Euripides -- Helen [Ἑλένη], l.  329 (412 BC) [tr. Lattimore (1956)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[CHORUS: It is right for women to stand by a woman&#8217;s cause. [ΧΟΡΟΣ: γυναῖκα γὰρ δὴ συμπονεῖν γυναικὶ χρή.] Encouraging Helen to learn more about her husband&#8217;s fate from the prophetess Theonoë, and offering to go with her. (Source (Greek)). Other translations: Thus a woman ought With friendly aid to share a woman&#8217;s cares. [tr. [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">CHORUS:  It is right for women to stand by a woman&#8217;s cause.</p>
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<p class="hangingindent">[ΧΟΡΟΣ: γυναῖκα γὰρ δὴ συμπονεῖν γυναικὶ χρή.]</p>
<p></p>
<br><b>Euripides</b> (485?-406? BC) Greek tragic dramatist<br><i>Helen [Ἑλένη]</i>, l.  329 (412 BC) [tr. Lattimore (1956)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/euripidesiicyclo00euri/page/212/mode/2up?q=%22woman%27s+cause%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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Encouraging Helen to learn more about her husband's fate from the prophetess Theonoë, and offering to go with her.

(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0099%3Acard%3D293#:~:text=%CE%B3%CF%85%CE%BD%CE%B1%E1%BF%96%CE%BA%CE%B1%20%CE%B3%E1%BD%B0%CF%81%20%CE%B4%E1%BD%B4%20%CF%83%CF%85%CE%BC%CF%80%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%B5%E1%BF%96%CE%BD%20%CE%B3%CF%85%CE%BD%CE%B1%CE%B9%CE%BA%E1%BD%B6%20%CF%87%CF%81%CE%AE.">Source (Greek)</a>). Other translations: <br><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Thus a woman ought<br>
With friendly aid to share a woman's cares.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.hn6lrk&seq=312&q1=%22thus+a+woman+ought%22">Potter</a> (1783), l. 370ff]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>For 'tis  a woman's duty to exert <br>
Her utmost efforts in a woman's cause.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015019113177&seq=131&q1=%22utmost+efforts%22">Wodhull</a> (1809)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>For it is meet that a woman should with a woman labor.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=rul.39030018953945&seq=219&q1=%22woman+labor%22">Buckley</a> (1850)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>For, truly, women ought to help each other.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0100%3Acard%3D293#:~:text=for%2C%20truly%2C%20women%20ought%20to%20help%20each%20other.">Coleridge</a> (1891)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>That woman woman's burden share, is meet.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015012280742&seq=517&q1=%22woman+woman%27s%22">Way</a> (Loeb) (1912)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Women in woman's need must sympathise.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b4036627&seq=22&q1=%22women+in+woman%27s%22">Sheppard</a> (1925)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>For women ought to give each other helping hands.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015014494374&seq=34&q1=%22helping+hands%22">Warner</a> (1951)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Women ought to help each other.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchaeotherplay00euri/page/134/mode/2up?q=%22ought+to+help+each+other%22">Vellacott</a> (1954)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>We are all women;<br>
<span class="tab">and it is right for us to shoulder one another's burdens.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Essential_Euripides/bIGmPOH2RpIC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22shoulder%20one%22">Meagher</a> (1986)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Women should support one another.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Heracles_and_Other_Plays/3ccaxnT-SFEC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22support%20one%20another%22">Davie</a> (2002)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>For 'tis a woman's bounden duty to share a sister's trouble.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/euripidesninetee0000euri/page/370/mode/2up?q=%22woman%27s+bounden+duty%22">Athenian Society</a> (2006)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Women should stick together, and help each other out.<br>
[tr. <a href="http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~loxias/helen.htm#:~:text=Women%20should%20stick%20together%2C%20and%20help%20each%20other%20out.">A. Wilson</a> (2007)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>We women must help one another.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://bacchicstage.wpcomstaging.com/euripides/helen/#:~:text=We%20women%20must%20help%20one%20another.">Theodoridis</a> (2011)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>For woman must with woman toil.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.uvm.edu/~jbailly/courses/CLAS24TrojanWar/1.%20Helen%20Script.pdf#page=14">Ambrose</a> et al. (2018)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>For, truly, women ought to help each other.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://chs.harvard.edu/primary-source/euripides-helen/#:~:text=for%2C%20truly%2C%20women%20ought%20to%20help%20each%20other.">Coleridge / Helen Heroization Team</a>]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Euripides -- Hecuba [Hekabe; Ἑκάβη], l. 883ff (c. 424 BC) [tr. Arrowsmith (1958)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[AGAMEMNON:But women? Women overpower men? HECUBA:There is power in numbers, and cunning makes us strong. ἈΓΑΜΈΜΝΩΝ: καὶ πῶς γυναιξὶν ἀρσένων ἔσται κράτος; ἙΚΆΒΗ: δεινὸν τὸ πλῆθος σὺν δόλῳ τε δύσμαχον. Hecuba telling Agamemnon that she will rely on her fellow captive Trojan women to help exact her revenge on Polymestor. (Source (Greek)). Alternate translations: AGAMΕΜΝΟΝ. [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">AGAMEMNON:<span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">But <i>women?</i><br />
<i>Women</i> overpower men?</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p class="hangingindent">HECUBA:<span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">There is power<br />
in numbers, and cunning makes us strong.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
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<p class="hangingindent">ἈΓΑΜΈΜΝΩΝ: καὶ πῶς γυναιξὶν ἀρσένων ἔσται κράτος;</p>
<p class="hangingindent">ἙΚΆΒΗ: δεινὸν τὸ πλῆθος σὺν δόλῳ τε δύσμαχον.</p>
<p></p>
<br><b>Euripides</b> (485?-406? BC) Greek tragic dramatist<br><i>Hecuba</i> [Hekabe; Ἑκάβη], l. 883ff (c. 424 BC) [tr. Arrowsmith (1958)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/euripidesiiihecu00euri/page/50/mode/2up?q=%22women+overpower+men%3F%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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Hecuba telling Agamemnon that she will rely on her fellow captive Trojan women to help exact her revenge on Polymestor. <br><br>

(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0097%3Acard%3D864#:~:text=%E1%BC%88%CE%B3%CE%B1%CE%BC%CE%AD%CE%BC%CE%BD%CF%89%CE%BD%0A%0A%CE%BA%CE%B1%E1%BD%B6%20%CF%80%E1%BF%B6%CF%82,%CE%BC%CE%AD%CE%BC%CF%86%CE%BF%CE%BC%CE%B1%CE%B9%20%CE%B3%CE%AD%CE%BD%CE%BF%CF%82.">Source (Greek)</a>). Alternate translations: <br><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">AGAMΕΜΝΟΝ. How shall weak women; over men prevail?<br>
<span class="tab">HECUBA. Numbers are strong; add stratagem, resistless. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.hn6lrk&seq=269&q1=women">Potter</a> (1781)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">AGAMEMNON:<span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">How can the female sex<br>
O'er men obtain a conquest?<br>
<span class="tab">HECUBA:<span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Numbers strike<br>
A foe with terror, and the wiles of women<br>
Are hard to be withstood.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/nineteentragedi01wodhgoog/page/38/mode/2up?q=%22How+can+the+female%22">Wodhull</a> (1809)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">AGAMEMNON: And how shall the victory over men be to women?<br>
<span class="tab">HECUBA: Numbers are powerful, with stratagem invincible.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://topostext.org/work/38#:~:text=AGA.%20And%20how%20shall%20the%20victory%20over%20men%20be%20to%20women%3F%0AHEC.%20Numbers%20are%20powerful%2C%20with%20stratagem%20invincible.%0AAGA.%20Powerful%2C%20I%20grant%3B%20I%20mistrust%20however%20the%20race%20of%20women.">Edwards</a> (1826)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">AGAMEMNON: How? -- women gain the mastery over men?<br>
<span class="tab">HECUBA: Mighty are numbers: joined with craft, resistless.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Tragedies_of_Euripides_(Way)/Hecuba#:~:text=on%20my%20slayer.-,Agamemnon.,Ay%2C%20mighty%2C%20yet%20misprize%20I%20womankind.,-885">Way</a> (Loeb) (1894)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">AGAMEMNON: How are women to master men?<br>
<span class="tab">HECUBA:  Numbers are a fearful thing, and joined to craft a desperate foe.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0098%3Acard%3D864#:~:text=Agamemnon%0AHow%20are,the%20female%20race.">Coleridge</a> (1938)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">AGAMEMNON: How can women win against men?<br>
<span class="tab">HECUBA: Who can stand against a tribe<br>
A wild tribe of wise women?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hecuba/mRZLAQAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=agamemnon%20%22women%20win%20against%20men%22">McGuinness</a> (2004)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">AGAMEMNON:  How can you women overpower a man?<br>
<span class="tab">HECUBA: Enough of them would scare you soon enough and with cunning they're a force hard to resist.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hecuba/94JBBAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22agamemnon%20how%20can%22">Harrison</a> (2005)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">AGAMEMNON: But how will the women be able to overcome the strength of men?<br>
<span class="tab">HEKABE: Numbers, when joined with treachery, can cause great terror.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://bacchicstage.wpcomstaging.com/euripides/hekabe-aka-hecuba/#:~:text=Agamemnon%3A%0ABut%20how%20will%20the,who%20left%20Lemnos%20totally%20without%20men%3F">Theodoridis</a> (2007)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">AGAMEMNON:<span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">But how?<br>
You are women. How will women defeat men?<br>
<span class="tab">HECUBA: There is unnerving strength in numbers, especially when<br>
you add deceit.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.didaskalia.net/issues/8/32/HecubaKardanStreet.pdf#page=27">Karden/Street</a> (2011)]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Addison, Joseph -- Essay (1711-06-22), The Spectator, No.  98</title>
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<br><b>Joseph Addison</b> (1672-1719) English essayist, poet, statesman<br>Essay (1711-06-22), <i>The Spectator</i>, No.  98 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">STEVE: <i>(to Susan)</i> It is not scientifically possible for a man to know what a woman wants. And that&#8217;s not fair, because you always know what <em>we</em> want.</p>
<p class="hangingindent">PATRICK: We always have the decency to only want one thing.</p>
<p class="hangingindent">STEVE: And do you ever thank us for making it so simple?</p>
<p class="hangingindent">PATRICK: Never!</p>
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<br><b>Steven Moffat</b> (b. 1961) Scottish television writer, producer<br><i>Coupling</i>, 03&#215;02 &#8220;Faithless&#8221; (2002-09-30) 
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		<title>Ferber, Edna -- Cimarron, ch. 23 [Sabra] (1930)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If American politics are too dirty for women to take part in, there&#8217;s something wrong with American politics.</p>
<br><b>Edna Ferber</b> (1886-1968) American author and playwright<br><i>Cimarron</i>, ch. 23 [Sabra] (1930) 
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The book is set in the late 19th Century.

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		<description><![CDATA[MEDEA: Of all creatures that live and understand, we women suffer most. In the first place we must, for a vast sum, buy a husband; what&#8217;s worse, with him our bodies get a master. And here&#8217;s what&#8217;s most at stake: Did we get a man who&#8217;s good or bad? ΜΉΔΕΙΑ: πάντων δ᾽ ὅσ᾽ ἔστ᾽ ἔμψυχα [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">MEDEA: Of all creatures that live and understand,<br />
we women suffer most.<br />
In the first place we must, for a vast sum,<br />
buy a husband; what&#8217;s worse,<br />
with him our bodies get a master.<br />
And here&#8217;s what&#8217;s most at stake:<br />
Did we get a man who&#8217;s good or bad?</p>
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<p class="hangingindent">ΜΉΔΕΙΑ: πάντων δ᾽ ὅσ᾽ ἔστ᾽ ἔμψυχα καὶ γνώμην ἔχει<br />
γυναῖκές ἐσμεν ἀθλιώτατον φυτόν:<br />
ἃς πρῶτα μὲν δεῖ χρημάτων ὑπερβολῇ<br />
πόσιν πρίασθαι, δεσπότην τε σώματος<br />
[λαβεῖν: κακοῦ γὰρ τοῦτ᾽ ἔτ᾽ ἄλγιον κακόν].<br />
κἀν τῷδ᾽ ἀγὼν μέγιστος, ἢ κακὸν λαβεῖν<br />
ἢ χρηστόν.</p>
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<br><b>Euripides</b> (485?-406? BC) Greek tragic dramatist<br><i>Medea</i> [Μήδεια], l. 230ff (431 BC) [tr. Kovacs / Kitzinger (2016)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Greek_Plays/P5O5DAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22of%20all%20creatures%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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Speaking to the women of Corinth (the Chorus). <br><br>

(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0113%3Acard%3D214#:~:text=%CF%80%CE%AC%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%89%CE%BD%20%CE%B4%E1%BE%BD,%CE%BB%CE%B1%CE%B2%CE%B5%E1%BF%96%CE%BD%0A%E1%BC%A2%20%CF%87%CF%81%CE%B7%CF%83%CF%84%CF%8C%CE%BD">Source (Greek)</a>). Alternate translations: <br><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">But sure among all those <br>
Who have with breath and reason been endued. <br>
We women are the most unhappy race, <br>
First with abundant gold are we constrain'd <br>
To buy a husband, and in him receive<br>
A haughty master. Still doth there remain <br>
One mischief than this mischief yet more grievous. <br>
The hazard whether we. procure a mate <br>
Worthless or virtuous.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/nineteentragedi01wodhgoog/page/258/mode/2up?q=%22most+unhappy+race%22">Wodhull</a> (1782)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Thus is it, of all beings, that have life<br>
And sense, we women are most wretched; first<br>
With all our dearest treasures we must buy<br>
A husband, and in him receive a lord:<br>
And hardship this: a greater hardship yet<br>
Awaits us; here's the question, if this lord<br>
Prove gentle, or a tyrant.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Bacch%C3%A6_Ion_Alcestis_Medea_Hippolytu/L8tCAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=medea+%22we+women+are+most+wretched%22&pg=PA179&printsec=frontcover">Potter</a> (1814)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Aye, of all living and of reasoning things<br>
Are woman the most miserable race:<br>
Who first needs buy a husband at great price,<br>
To take him then for owner of our lives:<br>
For this ill is more keen than common ills.<br>
And of essays most perilous is this,<br>
Whether one good or evil do we take.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Medea_(Webster_1868)#:~:text=Aye%2C%20of%20all,do%20we%20take.">Webster</a> (1868)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Of all things that have life and sense we women are the most hapless creatures; first must we buy a husband at an exorbitant price, and o'er ourselves a tyrant set which is an evil worse than the first; and herein lies the most important issue, whether our choice be good or bad.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Plays_of_Euripides_(Coleridge)/Medea#:~:text=Of%20all%20things%20that%20have%20life%20and%20sense%20we%20women%20are%20the%20most%20hapless%20creatures%3B%20first%20must%20we%20buy%20a%20husband%20at%20an%20exorbitant%20price%2C%20and%20o%27er%20ourselves%20a%20tyrant%20set%20which%20is%20an%20evil%20worse%20than%20the%20first%3B%20and%20herein%20lies%20the%20most%20important%20issue%2C%20whether%20our%20choice%20be%20good%20or%20bad.">Coleridge</a> (1891)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But of all things as many as have life and intellect, we women are the most wretched race. Who indeed first must purchase a husband with excess of money, and receive him a lord of our persons; for this is a still greater ill than the former. And in this is the greatest risk, whether we receive a bad one or a good one.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/15081/pg15081-images.html#MEDEA:~:text=But%20of%20all,a%20good%20one">Buckley</a> (1892)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Surely, of creatures that have life and wit,<br>
We women are of all things wretchedest,<br>
Who, first, must needs, as buys the highest bidder,<br>
Thus buy a husband, and our body's master<br>
So win—for deeper depth of ill is this.<br>
Nay, risk is dire herein, -- or shall we gain<br>
An evil lord or good?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Tragedies_of_Euripides_(Way)/Medea#:~:text=Surely%2C%20of%20creatures,lord%20or%20good%3F">Way</a> (Loeb) (1894)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Oh,<br>
Of all things upon earth that bleed and grow,<br>
A herb most bruised is woman. We must pay<br>
Our store of gold, hoarded for that one day,<br>
To buy us some man's love; and lo, they bring<br>
A master of our flesh! There comes the sting<br>
Of the whole shame. And then the jeopardy,<br>
For good or ill, what shall that master be.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/35451/pg35451-images.html#:~:text=Oh%2C%0AOf%20all,that%20master%20be">Murray</a> (1906)]  </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>We women are the most unfortunate creatures.<br>
Firstly, with an excess of wealth it is required<br>
For us to buy a husband and take for our bodies<br>
A master; for not to take one is even worse.<br>
And now the question is serious whether we take<br>
A good or bad one.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/euripides-medea-warner.ocr/page/66/mode/2up?q=%22most+unfortunate+creatures%22">Warner</a> (1944)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Surely, of all creatures that have life and will, we women<br>
Are the most wretched. When, for an extravagant sum,<br>
We have bought a husband, we must then accept him as<br>
Possessor of our body. This is to aggravate<br>
Wrong with worse wrong. Then the great question: will the man<br>
We get be bad or good? <br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/medeaotherplays0000euri/page/24/mode/2up?q=%22surely+of+all+creatures%22">Vellacott</a> (1963)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Of all creatures that live and have understanding<br>
We women are the wretchedest breed alive;<br>
First, we must use excessive amounts of cash<br>
To buy our husbands, and what we get are masters<br>
Of our bodies. This is the worst pain of all.<br>
In fact, this is no small struggle, whether he’ll be<br>
A good or bad one.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/euripides-medea-podlecki_20220818/page/23/mode/2up?q=%22all+creatures+that+live%22">Podlecki</a> (1989)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Of all creatures that have breath and sensation, we women are the most unfortunate. First at an exorbitant price we must buy a husband and master of our bodies. [This misfortune is more painful than misfortune.] And the outcome of our life's striving hangs on this, whether we take a bad or a good husband.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0114%3Acard%3D214#:~:text=Of%20all%20creatures,a%20good%20husband.">Kovacs</a> (1994)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Of all creatures that have life and reason we women are the most miserable of specimens! In the first place, at great expense we must buy a husband, taking a master to play tyrant with our bodies (this is an injustice that crowns the other one). And here lies the crucial issue for us, whether we get a good man or a bad.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/_/9DazOvYlir0C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22of%20all%20creatures%20that%20have%22">Davie</a> (1996)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">Of all the living things, of all those things that have a soul and a sense, we, yes we, the women, are the most pathetic!<br>
<span class="tab">Imagine!<br>
<span class="tab">We need to spend a fortune to buy us a man who -- what will he do? He will become the master of our bodies!  And, it’s obvious, that this dangerous thing we do, becomes even more dangerous when we don’t find the right husband. Is he a good husband? Or is he a bad one?  By the time you find that out it’s already too late.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://bacchicstage.wordpress.com/euripides/medea/#:~:text=Of%20all%20the,already%20too%20late.">Theodoridis</a> (2004)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Of all creatures that have life and reason<br>
we women are the sorriest lot: <br>
first we must at a great expenditure of money <br>
buy a husband and even take on a master <br>
over our body: this evil is more galling than the first. <br>
Here is the most challenging contest, whether we will get a bad man<br>
or a good one.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://diotima-doctafemina.org/translations/greek/euripides-medea/#:~:text=Of%20all%20creatures,a%20good%20one.">Luschnig</a> (2007)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Of all things with life and understanding,<br>
we women are the most unfortunate.<br>
First, we need a husband, someone we get<br>
for an excessive price. He then becomes<br>
the ruler of our bodies. And this misfortune<br>
adds still more troubles to the grief we have.<br>
Then comes the crucial struggle: this husband<br>
we have selected, is he good or bad?  <br>
[tr. <a href="https://johnstoniatexts.x10host.com/euripides/medeahtml.html#:~:text=Of%20all%20things%20with%20life%20and%20understanding">Johnston</a> (2008)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Of every creature that’s alive and capable of thought<br>
We women are most wretched.<br>
First we must buy a husband with a massive dowry,<br>
then subject our bodies to his mastery --<br>
and that's the worse of the two evils. <br>
In this the stakes are very high -- whether we get<br>
a bad man or a good one.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Euripides_Medea/kNBUEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22Of+every+creature+that%E2%80%99s+alive+and+capable+of+thought%22&pg=PT30&printsec=frontcover">Ewans</a> (2022)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Of all things that have <i>psūkhē</i> and intelligence, we women are the most wretched creatures: first we must buy a husband at too high a price, and then acquire a master of our bodies—an evil thing [kakon] yet more evil <i>[kakon].</i>But in this lies the most important ordeal <i>[agōn],</i> whether our choice is good or bad <i>[kakon].</i><br>
[tr. <a href="https://chs.harvard.edu/primary-source/euripides-medea/#:~:text=Of%20all%20things,bad%20%5Bkakon%5D.">Coleridge / Ceragioli / Nagy / Hour25</a>]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Of all things that have life and sense, we women are most wretched. For we are compelled to buy with gold a husband who is also -- worst of all -- the master of our person. And on his character, good or bad, our whole fate rests.<br>
[<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Short_History_of_Women/keDSAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=medea+%22we+women+are+most+wretched%22&pg=PA173&printsec=frontcover">Source</a>]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<description><![CDATA[Strange to say, the first symptom of true love in a young man is timidity; in a young girl it is boldness. This is surprising, and yet nothing is more simple. It is the two sexes tending to approach each other and assuming each the other&#8217;s qualities. [Et puis, chose bizarre, le premier symptôme de [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strange to say, the first symptom of true love in a young man is timidity; in a young girl it is boldness. This is surprising, and yet nothing is more simple. It is the two sexes tending to approach each other and assuming each the other&#8217;s qualities.</p>
<p><em>[Et puis, chose bizarre, le premier symptôme de l’amour vrai chez un jeune homme, c’est la timidité, chez une jeune fille, c’est la hardiesse. Ceci étonne, et rien n’est plus simple pourtant. Ce sont les deux sexes qui tendent à se rapprocher et qui prennent les qualités l’un de l’autre.]</em></p>
<br><b>Victor Hugo</b> (1802-1885) French writer<br><i>Les Misérables</i>, Part 4 &#8220;Saint Denis,&#8221; Book  3 &#8220;The House in the Rue Plumet,&#8221; ch.  6 (4.3.6) (1862) [tr. Hapgood (1887)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Les_Mis%C3%A9rables/Volume_4/Book_Third/Chapter_6#:~:text=strange%20to%20say%2C%20the%20first%20symptom%20of%20true%20love%20in%20a%20young%20man%20is%20timidity%3B%20in%20a%20young%20girl%20it%20is%20boldness." target="_blank">Source</a>)
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(<a href="https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Les_Mis%C3%A9rables/Tome_4/Livre_03/06#:~:text=Et%20puis%2C%20chose%20bizarre%2C%20le%20premier%20sympt%C3%B4me%20de%20l%E2%80%99amour%20vrai%20chez%20un%20jeune%20homme%2C%20c%E2%80%99est%20la%20timidit%C3%A9%2C%20chez%20une%20jeune%20fille%2C%20c%E2%80%99est%20la%20hardiesse.%20Ceci%20%C3%A9tonne%2C%20et%20rien%20n%E2%80%99est%20plus%20simple%20pourtant.%20Ce%20sont%20les%20deux%20sexes%20qui%20tendent%20%C3%A0%20se%20rapprocher%20et%20qui%20prennent%20les%20qualit%C3%A9s%20l%E2%80%99un%20de%20l%E2%80%99autre.">Source (French)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>Oddly enough, the first symptom of true love in a young man is timidity, in a young woman, boldness. This is surprising, and yet nothing is more natural. It is the two sexes tending to unite, and each acquiring the qualities of the other.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.43835/page/n767/mode/2up?q=%22first+symptom+of+true+love%22">Wilbour</a> (1862)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Strange it is, the first symptom of true love in a young man is timidity; in a girl it is boldness.   This will surprise, and yet nothing is more simple; the two sexes have a tendency to approach, and each assumes the qualities of the other.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/lesmiserables0000vict_z1p0/page/n947/mode/2up?q=%22first+symptom+of+true+love%22">Wraxall</a> (1862)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>And besides, although shyness is the first sign of true love in a youth, boldness is its token in a maid. This may seem strange, but nothing could be more simple. The sexes are drawing close, and in doing so each assumes the qualities of the other.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/lesmiserables0000tran/page/774/mode/2up?q=%22sign+of+true+love%22">Denny</a> (1976)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>And then, oddly enough, the first symptom of true love in a man is timidity, in a young woman, boldness. This is surprising, and yet nothing is more natural. It is the two sexes tending to unite, and each acquiring the qualities of the other.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/lesmisrabl1987hugo/page/896/mode/2up?q=%22symptom+of+true+love%22">Wilbour/Fahnestock/MacAfee</a> (1987)] </blockquote><br>




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		<title>Moffat, Steven -- Coupling, 01&#215;05 &#8220;The Girl with Two Breasts&#8221; (2000-06-09)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[JEFF: See, women think we&#8217;re normal, like them, &#8217;cause we talk to them like normal people, you know, we say, &#8220;Hello. How are you? Haven&#8217;t seen you in this place before. What kind of music do you like?&#8221; But all the time in our brains, we&#8217;ve got the word &#8220;breasts&#8221; on a loop. If we [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">JEFF: See, women think we&#8217;re normal, like them, &#8217;cause we talk to them like normal people, you know, we say, &#8220;Hello. How are you? Haven&#8217;t seen you in this place before. What kind of music do <i>you</i> like?&#8221; But all the time in our brains, we&#8217;ve got the word &#8220;breasts&#8221; on a loop. If we ever lost control for a second, we&#8217;d all start shouting &#8220;Breasts! Breasts! Breasts! Breasts!&#8221;</p>
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<br><b>Steven Moffat</b> (b. 1961) Scottish television writer, producer<br><i>Coupling</i>, 01&#215;05 &#8220;The Girl with Two Breasts&#8221; (2000-06-09) 
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		<title>Sayers, Dorothy -- &#8220;Are Women Human?&#8221; speech to a Women&#8217;s Society (1938)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have admitted that there are very few women who would put their job before every earthly consideration. I will go further and assert that there are very few men who would do it either. In fact, there is perhaps only one human being in a thousand who is passionately interested in his job for [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have admitted that there are very few women who would put their job before every earthly consideration. I will go further and assert that there are very few men who would do it either. In fact, there is perhaps only one human being in a thousand who is passionately interested in his job for the job’s sake. The difference is that if that one person in a thousand is a man, we say, simply, that he is passionately keen on his job; if she is a woman, we say she is a freak.</p>
<br><b>Dorothy Sayers</b> (1893-1957) English author, translator<br>&#8220;Are Women Human?&#8221; speech to a Women&#8217;s Society (1938) 
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Collected in <i>Unpopular Opinions</i> (1946).						</span>
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		<title>Peters, Ellis -- A Morbid Taste for Bones, ch.  9 [Cadfael] (1977)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Both men and women partake of the same human nature, Huw. We both bleed when we’re wounded. That’s a poor, silly woman, true, but we can show plenty of poor, silly men. There are women as strong as any of us, and as able.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both men and women partake of the same human nature, Huw. We both bleed when we’re wounded. That’s a poor, silly woman, true, but we can show plenty of poor, silly men. There are women as strong as any of us, and as able.</p>
<br><b>Ellis Peters</b> (1913-1995) English writer, translator [pseud. of Edith Mary Pargeter, who also wrote under the names John Redfern, Jolyon Carr, Peter Benedict]<br><i>A Morbid Taste for Bones</i>, ch.  9 [Cadfael] (1977) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/morbidtasteforbo00pete/page/152/mode/2up?q=%22women+partake%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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		<title>Bierce, Ambrose -- &#8220;Lap,&#8221; The Cynic&#8217;s Word Book (1906)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[LAP, n. One of the most important organs of the female system &#8212; an admirable provision of nature for the repose of infancy, but chiefly useful in rural festivities to support plates of cold chicken and heads of adult males. The male of our species has a rudimentary lap, imperfectly developed and in no way [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LAP, <em>n.</em> One of the most important organs of the female system &#8212; an admirable provision of nature for the repose of infancy, but chiefly useful in rural festivities to support plates of cold chicken and heads of adult males. The male of our species has a rudimentary lap, imperfectly developed and in no way contributing to the animal&#8217;s substantial welfare.</p>
<br><b>Ambrose Bierce</b> (1842-1914?) American writer and journalist<br>&#8220;Lap,&#8221; <i>The Cynic&#8217;s Word Book</i> (1906) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/43951/43951-h/43951-h.htm#link2H_4_0013:~:text=LAP%2C%20n.%20One,animal%27s%20substantial%20welfare." target="_blank">Source</a>)
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<a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Devil%27s_Dictionary/L#:~:text=LAP%2C%20n,animal%27s%20substantial%20welfare.">Included</a> in <i>The Devil's Dictionary</i> (1911). <a href="https://archive.org/details/unabridgeddevils00bier/page/368/mode/2up?q=%22lap+w%22">Originally published</a> in the "Devil's Dictionary" column in the San Francisco <i>Wasp</i> (1886-03-06).						</span>
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		<title>Catullus -- Carmina #  64 &#8220;The Nuptuals of Peleus and Thetis,&#8221; ll. 144-149 [tr. Lamb (1821)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Then let no woman hence in man believe, Or think a lover speaks but to deceive. He, while ungratified desire is high, Shrinks from no oath, no promise will deny; Soon as his lust is satiate with its prize, He spurns his vows and perjury&#8217;s curse defies. &#160; [Nunc iam nulla viro iuranti femina credat, [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then let no woman hence in man believe,<br />
<span class="tab">Or think a lover speaks but to deceive.<br />
He, while ungratified desire is high,<br />
<span class="tab">Shrinks from no oath, no promise will deny;<br />
Soon as his lust is satiate with its prize,<br />
<span class="tab">He spurns his vows and perjury&#8217;s curse defies.<br />
&nbsp;<br />
<em>[Nunc iam nulla viro iuranti femina credat,<br />
nulla viri speret sermones esse fideles;<br />
quis dum aliquid cupiens animus praegestit apisci,<br />
nil metuunt iurare, nihil promittere parcunt:<br />
sed simul ac cupidae mentis satiata libido est,<br />
dicta nihil metuere, nihil periuria curant.]</em></span></span></span></p>
<br><b>Catullus</b> (c. 84 BC – c. 54 BC) Latin poet [Gaius Valerius Catullus]<br>Carmina #  64 &#8220;The Nuptuals of Peleus and Thetis,&#8221; ll. 144-149 [tr. Lamb (1821)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_poems_of_Caius_Valerius_Catullus_tr/j10UAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22no%20woman%20hence%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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Ariadne lamenting Theseus' faithlessness.<br><br>

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<blockquote><span class="tab">Hear this, and wisdom learn, ye witless fair!<br>
Ne'er let false man with empty oaths deceive,<br>
<span class="tab">No protestations of the sex believe!<br>
Is there a wish their ardent souls would gain;<br>
<span class="tab">they swear, they promise, and at length obtain;<br>
The wish obtain'd, they fearless break their word,<br>
<span class="tab">Nor plighted faith, nor solemn vows regard.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc2.ark:/13960/t6154g976&seq=294&q1=%22let+false+man%22">Nott</a> (1795), # 61; ll. 173ff.]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Henceforth let woman; never trust the oaths that man shall make, <br>
<span class="tab">Nor ever more his honeyed speech within her bosom take! <br>
While yet the fire of his desire is hot within his breast, <br>
<span class="tab">What will he not to woman swear, to heav'n what not protest?<br>
But let her in an evil hour resign her maiden trust,<br>
<span class="tab">And yield the blossom of her youth to sate his selfish lust,<br>
Then what recks he of lavish oath, or vow, or whisper'd pray'r?<br>
<span class="tab">He triumphs in his perjuries, and spurns at her despair.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31175007358511&seq=124&q1=%22henceforth+let+woman%22">T. Martin</a> (1861)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Henceforth let never woman trust an oath than man shall swear,<br>
<span class="tab">Nor count the tender speeches true his lying lips declare:<br>
For when with lusting soul he yearns some object to enjoy,<br>
<span class="tab">No oath, no promise then he deems too sacred to employ;<br>
But when his soul is sated, and his burning passion dies,<br>
<span class="tab">He fears to break no plighted vows, cares nought for perjuries.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=loc.ark:/13960/t1hh7rq7f&seq=126">Cranstoun</a> (1867)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let not a woman trust, since that first treason, a lover's<br>
Desperate oath, none hope true lover's promise is earnest.<br>
They, while fondly to win their amorous humour essayeth,<br>
Fear no covetous oath, all false free promises heed not;<br>
They if once lewd pleasure attain unruly possession,<br>
Lo they fear not promise, of oath or perjury reck not.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/18867/pg18867-images.html#:~:text=Let%20not%20a,perjury%20reck%20not.">Ellis</a> (1871)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Now, let woman no more trust her to man when he sweareth,<br>
Ne'er let her hope to find or truth or faith in his pleadings,<br>
Who when lustful thought forelooks to somewhat attaining,<br>
Never an oath they fear, shall spare no promise to promise.<br>
Yet no sooner they sate all lewdness and lecherous fancy,<br>
Nothing remember of words and reck they naught of fore-swearing.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0005%3Apoem%3D64#:~:text=Now%2C%20let%20woman,of%20fore%2Dswearing.">Burton</a> (1893)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Now, now, let no woman give credence to man's oath, let none hope for faithful vows from mankind; for while their eager desire strives for its end, nothing fear they to swear, nothing of promises forbear they: but instantly their lusting thoughts are satiate with lewdness, nothing of speech they remember, nothing of perjuries care.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0006%3Apoem%3D64#:~:text=Now%2C%20now%2C%20let,of%20perjuries%20care.">Smithers</a> (1894)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Henceforth let no woman believe a man's oath, let none believe that a man's speeches can be trustworthy. They, while their mind desires something and longs eagerly to gain it, nothing fear to swear, nothing spare to promise; but as soon as the lust of their greedy mind is satisfied, they fear not then their words, they heed not their perjuries.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924074296397&seq=106&q1=%22henceforth+let%22">Warre Cornish</a> (1904)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Hereafter let; no woman trust man's promises, or hope for faithful words; for when they wish to attain their desires, there is nothing they will not swear, no promise do they scruple to make: but once their desires have been satisfied, they fear no broken words and care nothing for their perjuries.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924074296397&seq=106&q1=%22henceforth+let%22">Stuttaford</a> (1912)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Never let maid believe a lover's oath; <br>
<span class="tab">Nor hope a man be faithful to his troth; <br>
Long as men's hearts are spurred by keen desire, <br>
No oath they shrink from and no promise spare; <br>
<span class="tab">Soon as their sated lust begins to tire <br>
<span class="tab">No oath they heed and nought for falsehood care.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.$b311029&seq=108&q1=%22never+let+maid%22">Symons-Jeune</a> (1923)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Henceforth, no woman trust the oath of man, <br>
No woman dream the word of man is true: <br>
They, whensoe'er they lust for anything, <br>
Swear every oath and every promise make, <br>
But, when their eager lust is satisfied, <br>
Nor reck of oaths nor promises regard.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.$b267122&seq=108&q1=%22henceforth+no+woman%22">MacNaghten</a> (1925)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Henceforth let never listening maid believe <br>
<span class="tab">Protesting man! When their false hearts conceive <br>
The selfish wish, to all but pleasure blind, <br>
<span class="tab">No words they spare, no oaths unuttered leave.<br>
But when possession cloys their pampered mind,<br>
<span class="tab">No care have they for oaths, no words their honour bind.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.32106015467548&seq=248&q1=%22henceforth%22">Wright</a> (1926)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">From this hour<br>
<span class="tab">may no woman believe what men say, for men (minds set upon a single end) will promise everything,<br>
<span class="tab">but once the shrewd mind satisfies its passion, it plunges forward (the broken promise merely words that trail behind tall bravery).<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.32106001542577&seq=224&q1=%22from+this+hour%22">Gregory</a> (1931)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let no woman ever believe any oath that a man swears,<br>
or ever expect him to keep faith with his fine speeches!<br>
When they want something, when they are anxious to get it,<br>
they take oaths without fear, and pour out promises freely;<br>
but just as soon as their hot desire is sated,<br>
none of their lies & deceptions ever disturb them.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Poems_of_Catullus/y_HafujaJM4C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22let%20no%20woman%20every%20believe%22">C. Martin</a> (1979)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>From now on let no woman believe a man's sworn promises. <br>
From now on let no woman hope a man's talk is true. <br>
So long as their desiring minds are eager to get something, <br>
they swear to anything. No promise do they spare. <br>
But as soon as the lust in their desirous intent is gratified, <br>
they remember nothing they said, they care nothing for their lies. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://diotima-doctafemina.org/translations/latin/catullus-64-the-wedding-of-peleus-and-thetis/#:~:text=From%20now%20on%20let%20no%20woman%20believe%20a%20man%27s%20sworn%20promises">Banks</a> (1997)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Now, no woman should believe a man’s pledges,<br>
or believe there’s any truth in a man’s words:<br>
when their minds are intent on their desire,<br>
they have no fear of oaths, don’t spare their promises:<br>
but as soon as the lust of their eager mind is slaked<br>
they fear no words, they care nothing for perjury.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Latin/Catullus.php#:~:text=Now%2C%20no%20woman,nothing%20for%20perjury.">Kline</a> (2001)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Henceforth let no woman trust a man's sworn promise,<br>
or hope that he'll ever be true to his given word,<br>
for as long as his lustful heart is bent on possession<br>
he'll shrink from no oath, stop short at no promises,<br>
but the moment hte urge of his ardent mind is sated<br>
he forgets all he's said, breaks oaths without a tremor.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Poems_of_Catullus/4qsYinaVXQ8C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=oath">Green</a> (2005)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Now already let no woman trust a man swearing,<br>
let none hope that the speeches of man are faithful,<br>
for whom while the desiring mind is eager to grasp something,<br>
They fear to swear nothing, they spare to promise nothing.<br>
But as soon as the lust of the desiring mind has been satisfied,<br>
They feared the words as nothing, they care for the false oaths not at all.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Translation:Catullus_64#:~:text=Now%20already%20let,not%20at%20all.">Wikisource</a> (2018)]</blockquote><br>
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		<title>Dante Alighieri -- The Divine Comedy [Divina Commedia], Book 2 &#8220;Purgatorio,&#8221; Canto 23, l.  97ff (23.97-108) (1314) [tr. Ciardi (1961)]</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O my dear brother, what is there to say?<br />
<span class="tab">In vision I already see a time &#8212;<br />
<span class="tab">and it is not far distant from this day &#8212;<br />
in which the pulpit shall denounce by writ<br />
<span class="tab">the shameless jades that Florentines call ladies,<br />
<span class="tab">who go about with breasts bare to the tit.<br />
What Moslem woman ever has required<br />
<span class="tab">a priestly discipline, or any other,<br />
<span class="tab">before she would go decently attired?<br />
But if the chippies only could foresee<br />
<span class="tab">swift Heaven&#8217;s punishment, they&#8217;d have their mouths<br />
<span class="tab">already open to howl misery.</p>
<p><em>[O dolce frate, che vuo’ tu ch’io dica?<br />
<span class="tab">Tempo futuro m’è già nel cospetto,<br />
<span class="tab">cui non sarà quest’ora molto antica,<br />
nel qual sarà in pergamo interdetto<br />
<span class="tab">a le sfacciate donne fiorentine<br />
<span class="tab">l’andar mostrando con le poppe il petto.<br />
Quai barbare fuor mai, quai saracine,<br />
<span class="tab">cui bisognasse, per farle ir coperte,<br />
<span class="tab">o spiritali o altre discipline?<br />
Ma se le svergognate fosser certe<br />
<span class="tab">di quel che ’l ciel veloce loro ammanna,<br />
<span class="tab">già per urlare avrian le bocche aperte.]</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></em></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<br><b>Dante Alighieri</b> (1265-1321) Italian poet<br><i>The Divine Comedy [Divina Commedia]</i>, Book 2 <i>&#8220;Purgatorio,&#8221;</i> Canto 23, l.  97ff (23.97-108) (1314) [tr. Ciardi (1961)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/purgatorio00dant/page/236/mode/2up?view=theater&q=%22o+my+dear+brother%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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Forese Donati speaking to Dante, anticipating the "future" (already-past) travails of Florence in the early 1300s, apparently brought about (in part) by the city's shameless women being scantily clad (though no such church edict survives in the record).<br><br

(<a href="https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Divina_Commedia/Purgatorio/Canto_XXIII#:~:text=O%20dolce%20frate,le%20bocche%20aperte">Source (Italian)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">O, Brother! shall I tell, or hide my thought? <br>
The horrible display that Fancy views, <br>
Which soon the pregnant moments will produce,<br>
<span class="tab">And Impudence and Pride's disgraceful lot.<br>
<span class="tab">Soon a stern Voice will teach the shameless kind<br>
A decent covering, as they may, to find,<br>
<span class="tab">Their naked shoulders from the Sun to hide!<br>
Was it amongst Barbarians ever known,<br>
That nought but threats can bind the modest Zone,<br>
<span class="tab">On the young virgin and the plighted Bride?<br>
<span class="tab">But if these dainty Dames could read the Skies,<br>
And spy the slumb'ring tempest soon to rise,<br>
<span class="tab">Those lips that whisper Love, would shriek Despair.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinacommediad00unkngoog/page/n292/mode/2up?q=%22hide+my+thought%3F%22&view=theater">Boyd</a> (1802), st. 19-21] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">O sweet brother!<br>
What wouldst thou have me say? A time to come<br>
<span class="tab">Stands full within my view, to which this hour<br>
<span class="tab">Shall not be counted of an ancient date,<br>
When from the pulpit shall be loudly warn’d<br>
<span class="tab">Th’ unblushing dames of Florence, lest they bare<br>
<span class="tab">Unkerchief’d bosoms to the common gaze.<br>
What savage women hath the world e’er seen,<br>
<span class="tab">What Saracens, for whom there needed scourge<br>
<span class="tab">Of spiritual or other discipline,<br>
<span class="tab">To force them walk with cov’ring on their limbs!<br>
But did they see, the shameless ones, that Heav’n<br>
<span class="tab">Wafts on swift wing toward them, while I speak,<br>
<span class="tab">Their mouths were op’d for howling.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/8795/8795-h/8795-h.htm#cantoII.23:~:text=O%20sweet%20brother,op%E2%80%99d%20for%20howling">Cary</a> (1814)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Oh dear brother! what shall I say to thee?<br>
<span class="tab">A future time now within my view,<br>
<span class="tab">To which the present hour will be but new,<br>
When interdict will issue from the chair<br>
<span class="tab">To Florence ladies of effrontery,<br>
<span class="tab">With naked bosoms, where the pays you spy.<br>
Barbarians and Saracens were there e'er<br>
<span class="tab">Forced to go covered, and their right mind in,<br>
<span class="tab">By spiritual or other discipline?<br>
Their future lot could but the shameless see,<br>
<span class="tab">What the swift Heaven is bringing on its wing,<br>
<span class="tab">To howl their mouths would soon be opening.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/comedyofdanteal00dant/page/268/mode/2up?q=%22oh+dear+brother%22">Bannerman</a> (1850)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O brother sweet, what wilt thou have me say?<br>
<span class="tab">A future time is in my sight already,<br>
<span class="tab">To which this hour will not be very old,<br>
When from the pulpit shall be interdicted<br>
<span class="tab">To the unblushing womankind of Florence<br>
<span class="tab">To go about displaying breast and paps.<br>
What savages were e'er, what Saracens,<br>
<span class="tab">Who stood in need, to make them covered go,<br>
<span class="tab">Of spiritual or other discipline?<br>
But if the shameless women were assured<br>
<span class="tab">Of what swift Heaven prepares for them, already<br>
<span class="tab">Wide open would they have their mouths to howl.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Divine_Comedy_(Longfellow_1867)/Volume_2/Canto_23#:~:text=O%20brother%20sweet,mouths%20to%20howl%3B">Longfellow</a> (1867)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O brother dear, what wouldst have further told?<br>
<span class="tab">A future time already do I see,<br>
<span class="tab">In which the present day will not be old. <br>
When in the Church they'll publish a decree<br>
<span class="tab">Against the insolent lady Florentines,<br>
<span class="tab">Not to expose their breasts for all to see. <br>
When were Barbarians seen or Saracens,<br>
<span class="tab">To whom was needed clothing to enforce.<br>
<span class="tab">Or spiritual, or other disciplines?<br>
But if the shameless ones could see the course<br>
<span class="tab">Which Heaven prepareth for them speedily.<br>
<span class="tab">Now would begin their howlings of remorse.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedyofda00dantrich/page/220/mode/2up?q=%22O+brother+dear%2C%22">Minchin</a> (1885)]  </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O sweet brother, what wouldst thou that I say? A future time is already in my sight, to which this hour will not be very old, in which from the pulpit it shall be forbidden to the brazen-faced dames of Florence to go displaying the bosom with the paps. What Barbarian, what Saracen women were there ever who required either spiritual or other discipline to make them go covered? But if the shameless ones were aware of that which the swift heaven is preparing for them, already would they have their mouths open for howling.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1996/1996-h/1996-h.htm#cantoII.XXIII:~:text=O%20sweet%20brother,open%20for%20howling.">Norton</a> (1892)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">O sweet brother, what would st thou have me say? Already in my vision is a time to come to which this hour shall not be very old,<br>
<span class="tab">when the brazen-faced women of Florence shall be forbidden from the pulpit to go abroad showing their breasts with the paps.<br>
<span class="tab">What Barbary, what Saracen women ever lived, to whom either spiritual, or other discipline were necessary, to make them go covered?<br>
<span class="tab">But if the shameless creatures were assured of what swift heaven is preparing for them, already would they have their mouths open to howl.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/purgatorioofdant00dant_0/page/290/mode/2up?q=%22O+sweet+brother%22">Okey</a> (1901)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O sweet brother, what wilt thou have me say? A coming time is already before my eyes to which this hour will not be very old when from the pulpit it shall be forbidden to the brazen women of Florence to go showing the breast with the paps. What barbarous women, what Saracens, ever were there that needed, to make them go covered, spiritual disciplines or any other? But had the shameless creatures knowledge of what the swift heavens prepare for them, they would have their mouths open already for howling.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/iipurgatoriowith00dant/page/300/mode/2up?q=%22o+sweet+brother%22">Sinclair</a> (1939)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O sweet brother, what would'st thou have me say? <br>
<span class="tab">A time to come already I see indeed, <br>
<span class="tab">Wherefrom this hour shall not be far away.<br>
In which from pulpit shall it be forbid<br>
<span class="tab">To the unashamed women of Florence then<br>
<span class="tab">To go showing the breast with paps not hid.<br>
What woman of Barbary, what Saracen,<br>
<span class="tab">did ever need, to make her go covered, <br>
<span class="tab">Spiritual or other regimen?<br>
But if the unabashed ones were assured<br>
<span class="tab">Of what swift heaven prepares for them on high<br>
<span class="tab">Their mouths would open and their howls be heard.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/portabledante00dant/page/308/mode/2up?q=%22o+sweet+brother%22">Binyon</a> (1943)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Brother of mine, what wilt thou have me say?<br>
<span class="tab">This hour shall not be very old perhaps<br>
<span class="tab">Ere time shall bring what I foresee to-day:<br>
A pulpit interdict, no less, which claps<br>
<span class="tab">Down on our brazen jades of Florentines<br>
<span class="tab">Flaunting unveiled the bosom and the paps.<br>
What female Turk or Berber e'er showed signs<br>
<span class="tab">Of needing to be covered up by force<br>
<span class="tab">Of spiritual or other disciplines?<br>
But could these wantons know what Heaven's swift course<br>
<span class="tab">Prepares for them, they'd have their mouths ajar<br>
<span class="tab">Already, fit to bellow themselves hoarse.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedy0002unse/page/248/mode/2up?q=%22brother+of+mine%22">Sayers</a> (1955)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O sweet brother, what would you have me say? Already in my vision is a future time, to which this hour shall not be very old, when the brazen-faced women of Florence shall be forbidden from the pulpit to go displaying their breasts with the papas. What Barbarian, what Saracen women were there ever, who required either spiritual or other discipline to make them go covered? But if the shameless creatures were assured of what swift heaven is preparing for them, already would they have their mouths open to howl.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Divine_Comedy_II_Purgatorio_Vol_II_P/2Q48EAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22o%20sweet%20brother%22">Singleton</a> (1973)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>My dear brother, how can I tell you this:<br>
<span class="tab">I see a future time -- it won't be long --<br>
<span class="tab">in which bans from the pulpit shall clamp down<br>
on those ladies of Florence who, bold-faced,<br>
<span class="tab">now walk our city streets as they parade<br>
<span class="tab">their bosom to the tits! What barbarous girl,<br>
what female Saracen, had to be taught<br>
<span class="tab">spiritual discipline, or anything,<br>
<span class="tab">to keep her body decently concealed?<br>
But if these shameless creatures only knew<br>
<span class="tab">what the swift heavens have in store for them,<br>
<span class="tab">they would by now be screaming their heads off!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/dantealighierisd03dant/page/228/mode/2up?q=%22my+dear+brother%22&view=theater">Musa</a> (1981)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O gentle brother, what do you want me to say? <br>
<span class="tab">Already I can see a time ahead, <br>
<span class="tab">Before the present hour is very old,<br>
In which the impudent women of Florence <br>
<span class="tab">Will be preached against from the pulpit because <br>
<span class="tab">They go about showing their breasts to the nipples.<br>
What women of Barbary, what Saracens <br>
<span class="tab">Ever needed, to make them go covered, <br>
<span class="tab">Either spiritual or other discipline?<br>
But if the shameless creatures were assured <br>
<span class="tab">Of what swift heaven is getting ready for them, <br>
<span class="tab">They would have their mouths open already, to howl.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedy0000dant/page/300/mode/2up?q=%22o+gentle+brother%22">Sisson</a> (1981)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">O <br>
sweet brother, what would you have had me say? <br>
<span class="tab">A future time’s already visible <br>
<span class="tab">to me -- a time not too far-off from now -- <br>
when, from the pulpit, it shall be forbidden <br>
<span class="tab">to those immodest ones -- Florentine women -- <br>
<span class="tab">to go displaying bosoms with bare paps. <br>
What ordinances -- spiritual, civil -- <br>
<span class="tab">were ever needed by barbarian or <br>
<span class="tab">Saracen women to make them go covered? <br>
But if those shameless ones had certain knowledge <br>
<span class="tab">of what swift Heaven’s readying for them, <br>
<span class="tab">then they would have mouths open now to howl.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/purgatorio0000dant_m5q7/page/204/mode/2up?q=barbagia">Mandelbaum</a> (1982)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">O sweet brother, what would you have me say? Already I foresee a time to come, to which this time will not be too distant, when, from the pulpits, the brazen women of Florence will be forbidden to go round displaying their breasts and nipples.<br>
<span class="tab">When was there ever a Saracen woman, or woman of Barbary, who needed disciplining spiritually or otherwise, to force her to cover herself? But the shameless creatures would already have their mouths open to howl.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Italian/DantPurg22to28.php#:~:text=O%20sweet%20brother,open%20to%20howl%2C">Kline</a> (2002)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab">O dear brother, what can I say? A future time is already in my sight when this hour will not seem very ancient,
when from the pulpit it will be forbidden to the brazen Florentine women to walk about showing their chests with their breasts.<br>
<span class="tab">What barbarian women, what Saracens ever needed either spiritual or other penalties to make them go covered up?<br>
<span class="tab">But if those shameless ones knew what the swift heavens are preparing for them, they would already have opened their mouths to howl.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedyofda0002dant_d4k9/page/386/mode/2up?q=%22o+dear+brother%22">Durling</a> (2003)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>What, dearest brother, would you have me say? <br>
<span class="tab">A future time, already in my sight, <br>
<span class="tab">will come (when our time’s still not history),<br>
when, from the pulpit, there’ll be issued bans <br>
<span class="tab">forbidding bare-faced Florence girls to go <br>
<span class="tab">with blatant breasts and both their boobs on show.<br>
What mere barbarians or Saracens <br>
<span class="tab">required a priest or threat of on-spot fines <br>
<span class="tab">to make them cover up when they go out!<br>
If, though, these brazen creatures only guessed <br>
<span class="tab">what Heaven so swiftly will bring down on them, <br>
<span class="tab">then they’d already howl with open mouths.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/divinecomedy2pur0000dant/page/216/mode/2up?q=%22what+dearest+brother%22">Kirkpatrick</a> (2007)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O sweet brother, what would you have me say?<br>
<span class="tab">In my vision even now I see a time,<br>
<span class="tab">before this hour shall be very old,<br>
when from the pulpit it shall be forbidden<br>
<span class="tab">for the brazen ladies of Florence<br>
<span class="tab">to flaunt their nipples with their breasts.<br>
What barbarous women, what Saracens,<br>
<span class="tab">have ever needed spiritual instruction<br>
<span class="tab">or other rules, to walk about in proper dress?<br>
But if these shameless creatures knew<br>
<span class="tab">what the swift heavens are preparing, even now<br>
<span class="tab">their mouths would be spread open in a howl.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://dante.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/dante/campuscgi/mpb/GetCantoSection.pl?INP_POEM=Purg&INP_SECT=23&INP_START=97&INP_LEN=12&LANG=0">Hollander/Hollander</a> (2007)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O, my sweet brother, what can you ask me to say?<br>
<span class="tab">Looking into the future, I already see --<br>
<span class="tab">And the hour will not be long in coming, I believe --<br>
When priests in our pulpits will forbid Florence's lewd<br>
<span class="tab">And insolent women from going about the streets,<br>
<span class="tab">Their breasts bare well below the nipples.<br>
Were there ever barbarian women, or Turks,<br>
<span class="tab">Who needed heavy discipline -- by priests<br>
<span class="tab">Or by law -- to keep them decently covered? But such<br>
Disgraceful creatures, should they realize <br>
<span class="tab">For sure what quick-handed Heaven has ready for them,<br>
<span class="tab">They'd now be ready to open their mouths and howl!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Divine_Comedy/WZyBj-s9PfsC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22my%20sweet%20brother%22">Raffel</a> (2010)] </blockquote><br>
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		<title>Euripides -- Auge [Αὐγῃ], frag. 276 (c. 408 BC) [tr. @sentantiq (2014)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[We are women: in some things, we hesitate. But in others, no one can surpass our courage. [γυναῖκές ἐσμεν: τὰ μὲν ὄκνῳ νικώμεθα, τὰ δ᾽ οὐκ ἂν ἡμῶν θράσος ὑπερβάλοιτό τις.] Nauck (TGF) frag. 276, Barnes frag. 18, Musgrave frag. 4. (Source (Greek)). Alternate translations: Frail women as we are, too oft our fears Subdue [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are women: in some things, we hesitate.<br />
But in others, no one can surpass our courage.</p>
<p>[γυναῖκές ἐσμεν: τὰ μὲν ὄκνῳ νικώμεθα,<br />
τὰ δ᾽ οὐκ ἂν ἡμῶν θράσος ὑπερβάλοιτό τις.]</p>
<br><b>Euripides</b> (485?-406? BC) Greek tragic dramatist<br><i>Auge</i> [Αὐγῃ], frag. 276 (c. 408 BC) [tr. @sentantiq (2014)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://sententiaeantiquae.com/2014/11/14/fragmentary-friday-euripides-confuses-himself-on-women/#:~:text=Euripides%2C%20fr.%20276,%CE%B8%CF%81%E1%BD%B1%CF%83%CE%BF%CF%82%20%E1%BD%91%CF%80%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B2%E1%BD%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%B9%CF%84%E1%BD%B9%20%CF%84%CE%B9%CF%82." target="_blank">Source</a>)
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<a href="https://archive.org/details/tragicorumgraeco00naucuoft/page/440/mode/2up?q=%22%CE%B3%CE%BD%CE%BD%CE%B1%CE%90%CE%BA%CE%AD%CE%BE+%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BC%CE%B5%CE%BD+%CF%87%CE%B1%22">Nauck</a> (TGF) frag. 276, Barnes frag. 18, Musgrave frag. 4. (<a href="https://sententiaeantiquae.com/2014/11/14/fragmentary-friday-euripides-confuses-himself-on-women/#:~:text=Euripides%2C%20fr.%20276,%CE%B8%CF%81%E1%BD%B1%CF%83%CE%BF%CF%82%20%E1%BD%91%CF%80%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B2%E1%BD%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%B9%CF%84%E1%BD%B9%20%CF%84%CE%B9%CF%82.">Source (Greek)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>Frail women as we are, too oft our fears <br>
Subdue us, but at other times our courage <br>
By none can be exceeded.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/nineteentragedi02wodhgoog/page/n390/mode/2up?q=%22Frail+women+as+we%22">Wodhall</a> (1809)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>We are women, sometimes defeated by fear, <br>
sometimes unsurpassed in courage.<br>
[<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Dictionary_of_Classical_Greek_Quotatio/knv1DwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22we%20are%20women%20sometimes%22">Source</a>]</blockquote><br>
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		<title>McLaughlin, Mignon -- The Second Neurotic&#8217;s Notebook, ch.  3 (1966)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Men are convinced that women have it easy, but they haven&#8217;t convinced many women.</p>
<br><b>Mignon McLaughlin</b> (1913-1983) American journalist and author<br><i>The Second Neurotic&#8217;s Notebook</i>, ch.  3 (1966) 
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		<title>Barbusse, Henri -- Light, ch. 23 (1919)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That society is badly arranged which forces nearly all women to be servants. </p>
<br><b>Henri Barbusse</b> (1873-1935) French novelist, poet, journalist, activist<br><i>Light</i>, ch. 23 (1919) 
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		<title>Austen, Jane -- Emma, Vol. 1, ch.  8 [Emma] (1816)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is always incomprehensible to a man that a woman should ever refuse an offer of marriage. A man always imagines a woman to be ready for any body who asks her.</p>
<br><b>Jane Austen</b> (1775-1817) English author<br><i>Emma</i>, Vol. 1, ch.  8 [Emma] (1816) 
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		<title>Mencken, H. L. -- A Little Book in C Major, ch.  1, § 17 (1916)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Women have very simple tastes. They can get pleasure out of the conversation of children in arms and men in love.</p>
<br><b>H. L. Mencken</b> (1880-1956) American writer and journalist [Henry Lewis Mencken]<br><i>A Little Book in C Major</i>, ch.  1, § 17 (1916) 
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		<title>Euripides -- Bacchæ [Βάκχαι], l.  485ff (405 BC) [tr. Arrowsmith (1960)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[PENTHEUS: Do you hold your rites during the day or night? DIONYSUS: Mostly by night. The darkness is well suited to devotion. PENTHEUS: Better suited to lechery and seducing women. DIONYSUS: You can find debauchery by daylight too. [Πενθεύς: τὰ δ᾽ ἱερὰ νύκτωρ ἢ μεθ᾽ ἡμέραν τελεῖς; Διόνυσος: νύκτωρ τὰ πολλά: σεμνότητ᾽ ἔχει σκότος. Πενθεύς: [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PENTHEUS: Do you hold your rites<br />
<span class="tab">during the day or night?<br />
DIONYSUS: Mostly by night.<br />
<span class="tab">The darkness is well suited to devotion.<br />
PENTHEUS: Better suited to lechery and seducing women.<br />
DIONYSUS: You can find debauchery by daylight too.</p>
<p>[Πενθεύς: τὰ δ᾽ ἱερὰ νύκτωρ ἢ μεθ᾽ ἡμέραν τελεῖς;<br />
Διόνυσος: νύκτωρ τὰ πολλά: σεμνότητ᾽ ἔχει σκότος.<br />
Πενθεύς: τοῦτ᾽ ἐς γυναῖκας δόλιόν ἐστι καὶ σαθρόν.<br />
Διόνυσος: κἀν ἡμέρᾳ τό γ᾽ αἰσχρὸν ἐξεύροι τις ἄν.]</span></span></p>
<br><b>Euripides</b> (485?-406? BC) Greek tragic dramatist<br><i>Bacchæ</i> [Βάκχαι], l.  485ff (405 BC) [tr. Arrowsmith (1960)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/euripidesv00euri/page/180/mode/2up?q=%22day+or+night%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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<blockquote>PENTHEUS: By night or day these sacred rites perform'st thou ?<br>
BACCHUS: Mostly by nighty for venerable is darkness.<br>
PENTHEUS: To women this is treacherous and unsafe.<br>
BACCHUS: E'en in the broadest day may shame be found.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/nineteentragedi00wodhgoog/page/366/mode/2up?q=%22By++night++or++day%22">Wodhull</a> (1809)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>PENTHEUS: Do you perform the rites by night or by day?<br>
DIONYSUS: Mostly by night; darkness conveys awe.<br>
PENTHEUS: This is treacherous towards women, and unsound.<br>
DIONYSUS: Even during the day someone may devise what is shameful.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0092%3Acard%3D476#:~:text=Pentheus%0A%5B485%5D%20Do,what%20is%20shameful.">Buckley</a> (1850)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>PENTHEUS: Performest thou these rites by night or day?<br>
DIONYSUS: Most part by night -- night hath more solemn awe.<br>
PENTHEUS: A crafty rotten plot to catch our women.<br>
DIONYSUS: Even in the day bad men can do bad deeds.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchae0000euri_x9h8/page/18/mode/2up?q=%22night+or+day%22">Milman</a> (1865)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>PENTHEUS: Dost thou perform thy rites by day; or night?<br>
DIONYSUS: Chiefly by night; darkness gives dignity.<br>
PENTHEUS: Craft rather and seduction it denotes.<br>
DIONYSUS: Base acts are oft made manifest by day.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchaerogers00euri/page/22/mode/2up?q=%22day+or+night%22">Rogers</a> (1872), l. 462ff]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>PENTHEUS: Is it by night or day thou performest these devotions?<br>
DIONYSUS: By night mostly; darkness lends solemnity.<br>
PENTHEUS: Calculated to entrap and corrupt women.<br>
DIONYSUS: Day too for that matter may discover shame.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Plays_of_Euripides_(Coleridge)/The_Bacchantes#:~:text=Pen.%20Is%20it,may%20discover%20shame.">Coleridge</a> (1891)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>PENTHEUS: By night or day dost thou perform his rites? ⁠<br>
DIONYSUS: Chiefly by night: gloom lends solemnity.<br>
PENTHEUS: Ay -- and for women snares of lewdness too.<br>
DIONYSUS: In the day too may lewdness be devised.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Tragedies_of_Euripides_(Way)/The_Bacchanals#:~:text=By%20night%20or%20day%20dost%20thou%20perform%20his%20rites%3F">Way</a> (1898)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>PENTHEUS: How is thy worship held, by night or day?<br>
DIONYSUS: Most oft by night; 'tis a majestic thing,<br>
<span class="tab">The darkness.<br>
PENTHEUS: Ha! with women worshipping?<br>
<span class="tab">'Tis craft and rottenness!<br>
DIONYSUS:  By day no less,<br>
<span class="tab">Whoso will seek may find unholiness.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/35173/pg35173-images.html#:~:text=not%20thy%20way.-,Pentheus.,By%20day%20no%20less%2C%0AWhoso%20will%20seek%20may%20find%20unholiness.,-Pentheus.">Murray</a> (1902)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>PENTHEUS: Do you celebrate your sacred acts at night or by day?<br>
DIONYSUS: At night for the most party. Darkness possesses solemnity.<br>
PENTHEUS: Darkness for women is deceitful and corrupt!<br>
DIONYSUS: Even in daytime one could discover disgraceful behavior.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchae0000euri_w7z7/page/64/mode/2up?q=%22night+or+by+day%22">Kirk</a> (1970)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>PENTHEUS: Do you celebrate your mysteries by night or by day?<br>
DIONYSUS: Chiefly by night. Darkness induces religious awe.<br>
PENTHEUS: For women darkness is treacherous and impure.<br>
DIONYSUS: Impurity can be practiced by daylight too.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchae0000phil/page/196/mode/2up?q=%22night+or+by+day%22">Vellacott</a> (1973)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>PENTHEUS: These sacred practices of your god, the worship,<br>
<span class="tab">The rites of great devotion, do they<br>
<span class="tab">Hold at night, or in the day.<br>
DIONYSUS: [...] We hold our rites mostly at night<br>
<span class="tab">Because it is cooler. And the lamps<br>
<span class="tab">Lend atmosphere and feeling to the heart in worship.<br>
[...]<br>
PENTHEUS: And I say night hours are dangerous<br>
<span class="tab">Lascivious hours, lechery ....<br>
DIONYSUS: You'll find debauchery in daylight, too.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchaeofeuripid00soyi/page/44/mode/2up?q=%22these+sacred+practices%22">Soyinka</a> (1973)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>PENTHEUS: The rites -- at night or by day you perform them?<br>
DIONYSUS: At night, mostly; there’s majesty in darkness.<br>
PENTHEUS: And for women there’s trickery and smut.<br>
DIONYSUS: Even by day one may discover shame.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20070928000447/http://pages.sbcglobal.net/mattneub/downloads/bacchae.pdf">Neuburg</a> (1988)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>PENTHEUS: Do you perform your mysteries<br>
<span class="tab">during the day or by night?<br>
DIONYSUS: Mostly at night.<br>
<span class="tab">The dark is more conducive to worship.<br>
PENTHEUS: You mean to lechery and bringing out the filth in women.<br>
DIONYSUS: Those who look for filth, can find it at the height of noon.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchae0000euri_p3f3/page/28/mode/2up?q=%22day+or+by+night%22">Cacoyannis</a> (1982)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>PENTHEUS: Do you worship in daylight or at night?<br>
DIONYSUS: Mostly at night. Darkness is most sacred.<br>
PENTHEUS: That is treacherous and unwholesome for women.<br>
DIONYSUS: Some find shame even in daylight.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchae0000euri_h0w4/page/18/mode/2up?q=%22daylight+or+at+night%22">Blessington</a> (1993)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>PENTHEUS: Do you celebrate these sacred rites at night or in the day?<br>
THE STRANGER: At night mostly, since darkness induces devotion.<br>
PENTHEUS: No, darkness is devious and corrupts women.<br>
THE STRANGER: Even in the day someone could devise shameful deeds.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchaeofeuripid0000euri/page/46/mode/2up?q=%22night+or+in+the+day%22">Esposito</a> (1998)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>PENTHEUS: You practice this cult by night or by day?<br>
DIONYSUS: Mostly at night. Darkness lends solemnity.<br>
PENTHEUS: Darkness is just a filthy trap for women.<br>
DIONYSUS: Some people can dig up dirt in daytime, too.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchae0000euri_s0g4/page/18/mode/2up?q=%22night+or+by+day%3F%22">Woodruff</a> (1999)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>PENTHEUS: Do you perform the rites by day? -- or night?<br>
DIONYSUS: Mostly at night -- because the darkness has its holiness.<br>
PENTHEUS: It's treacherous, for women, and corrupts them.<br>
DIONYSUS: What's shameful can be found even by light of day.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchaeotherplay0000euri_p0i4/page/262/mode/2up?q=%22day+or+night%22">Gibbons/Segal</a> (2000), l. 571ff]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>PENTHEUS: Do you practice your rites at night or by day?<br>
DIONYSUS: Mostly at night: darkness lends solemnity.<br>
PENTHEUS: This is an immoral trick aimed at women.<br>
DIONYSUS: Someone could engage in shameful deeds even by day.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchaeiphigenia00euri/page/54/mode/2up">Kovacs</a> (2002)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>PENTHEUS: And you perform these practices at night?<br>
DIONYSUS: Man's true nature's seen in darkness not in light.<br>
PENTHEUS: While darkness shrouds a woman's true duplicity.<br>
DIONYSUS: Duplicity's not found in night exclusively.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchai0000euri/page/34/mode/2up?q=%22practices+at+night%22">Teevan</a> (2002)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>PENTHEUS: Tell me, when do you hold your worship? By clear day, or dark night?<br>
DIONYSUS: Mostly by night -- it is a majestic time.<br>
PENTHEUS: Indeed! A majestic time to take advantage of women. Shameful!<br>
DIONYSUS: There are enough shameful things done by day. And enough shameful thoughts in your head, I am sure!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Euripides_The_Bacchae/_2TKSJfPDT4C?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22when%20do%20you%20hold%20your%20worship%3F%22">Rao/Wolf</a> (2004)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>PENTHEUS: These ... holy orgies of yours… do you perform them during the day or in the night?<br>
DIONYSUS: Most of them during the night.  Darkness adds a certain modesty.<br>
PENTHEUS: That’s quite a dubious thing for the women… and rather lecherous, I’d say.<br>
DIONYSUS: Shame, of course can be seen during the day, too, if it exists and if one were to look for it.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://bacchicstage.wordpress.com/euripides/bacchae/#:~:text=Pentheus%3A%0AThese,look%20for%20it.">Theodoridis</a> (2005)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>PENTHEUS: Do you conduct the mysteries in the night or by day?<br>
DIONYSUS: Us'ally by night, for darkness holds reverence.<br>
PENTHEUS: Is this thing deceitful or unwholesome towards women?<br>
DIONYSUS: One might also uncover shameful things i' the day.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://euripidesofathens.blogspot.com/2008/01/scene-2.html#:~:text=P%3A%20Do%20you%20conduct%20the%20mysteries%20in%20the%20night%20or%20by%20day%3F%0AD%3A%20Us%27ally%20by%20night%2C%20for%20darkness%20holds%20reverence.%0AP%3A%20Is%20this%20thing%20deceitful%20or%20unwholesome%20towards%20women%3F%0AD%3A%20One%20might%20also%20uncover%20shameful%20things%20i%27%20the%20day.%20(glare)">Valerie</a> (2005)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>PENTHEUS: When you dance these rites,<br>
<span class="tab">is it at night or during daylight hours?<br>
DIONYSUS: Mainly at night. Shadows confer solemnity.<br>
PENTHEUS: And deceive the women. It's all corrupt!<br>
DIONYSUS: One can do shameful things in daylight, too.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Bacchae/o4JeCg6u18oC?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22dance%20these%20rites%22">Johnston</a> (2008), l. 604ff]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>PENTHEUS: These mysteries. Do you practise them by day, or night?<br>
DIONYSUS: Mostly by night. Dark is better for devotion.<br>
PENTHEUS: Better for lechery and the taking of women.<br>
DIONYSUS: That happens in daylight too.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchae0000euri_p3z6/page/28/mode/2up?q=%22by+day+or+night%22">Robertson</a> (2014)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>PENTHEUS: And are these rites conducted by day or by night?<br>
DIONYSUS: Night, for the most part. It’s so much more ... spiritual. Good for devotion.<br>
PENTHEUS: The night’s a trap for women’s virtue.<br>
DIONYSUS: And the day isn’t? You don’t get out much, do you?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://the-mercurian.com/2019/12/13/the-bacchae/#:~:text=PENTHEUS%3A%20And%20are,much%2C%20do%20you%3F">Pauly</a> (2019)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>PENTHEUS: Do you perform your rituals by day or night?<br>
DIONYSUS: By night. We believe that darkness is holy.<br>
PENTHEUS: It's a cunning time to force filth upon women.<br>
DIONYSUS: Vice thrives in daylight, too.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Bacchae_of_Euripides/UmCTDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22by%20day%20or%20night%22">Behr/Foster</a> (2019)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>PENTHEUS: Do you perform the sacred rites <i>[hiera]</i> by night or by day?<br>
DIONYSUS: Mostly by night; darkness conveys awe.<br>
PENTHEUS: This is treacherous towards women, and unsound.<br>
DIONYSUS: Even during the day you can find what is shameful.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://chs.harvard.edu/primary-source/euripides-bacchae-sb/#:~:text=Pentheus%0A485%20Do,what%20is%20shameful.">Buckley/Sens/Nagy</a> (2020)]</blockquote><br>
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		<title>Euripides -- Bacchæ [Βάκχαι], l.  260ff [Pentheus/Πενθεύς] (405 BC) [tr. Arrowsmith (1960)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[When once you see the glint of wine shining at the feasts of women, then you may be sure the festival is rotten. [γυναιξὶ γὰρ ὅπου βότρυος ἐν δαιτὶ γίγνεται γάνος, οὐχ ὑγιὲς οὐδὲν ἔτι λέγω τῶν ὀργίων.] (Source (Greek)). Alternate translations: For when women Share at their feasts the grape&#8217;s bewitching juice; From their [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When once you see<br />
the glint of wine shining at the feasts of women,<br />
then you may be sure the festival is rotten. </p>
<p>[γυναιξὶ γὰρ<br />
ὅπου βότρυος ἐν δαιτὶ γίγνεται γάνος,<br />
οὐχ ὑγιὲς οὐδὲν ἔτι λέγω τῶν ὀργίων.]</p>
<br><b>Euripides</b> (485?-406? BC) Greek tragic dramatist<br><i>Bacchæ</i> [Βάκχαι], l.  260ff [Pentheus/Πενθεύς] (405 BC) [tr. Arrowsmith (1960)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://classics.domains.skidmore.edu/lit-campus-only/primary/translations/Euripides%20Bac.pdf" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0091%3Acard%3D215#:~:text=%CE%B3%CF%85%CE%BD%CE%B1%CE%B9%CE%BE%E1%BD%B6%20%CE%B3%E1%BD%B0%CF%81%0A%E1%BD%85%CF%80%CE%BF%CF%85%20%CE%B2%CF%8C%CF%84%CF%81%CF%85%CE%BF%CF%82%20%E1%BC%90%CE%BD%20%CE%B4%CE%B1%CE%B9%CF%84%E1%BD%B6%20%CE%B3%CE%AF%CE%B3%CE%BD%CE%B5%CF%84%CE%B1%CE%B9%20%CE%B3%CE%AC%CE%BD%CE%BF%CF%82%2C%0A%CE%BF%E1%BD%90%CF%87%20%E1%BD%91%CE%B3%CE%B9%E1%BD%B2%CF%82%20%CE%BF%E1%BD%90%CE%B4%E1%BD%B2%CE%BD%20%E1%BC%94%CF%84%CE%B9%20%CE%BB%CE%AD%CE%B3%CF%89%20%CF%84%E1%BF%B6%CE%BD%20%E1%BD%80%CF%81%CE%B3%CE%AF%CF%89%CE%BD.">Source (Greek)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>For when women<br>
Share at their feasts the grape's bewitching juice; <br>
From their licentious orgies, I pronounce<br>
No good results.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/nineteentragedi00wodhgoog/page/358/mode/2up?q=%22for+when+women%22">Wodhull</a> (1809)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>For where women have the delight of the grape-cluster at a feast, I say that none of their rites is healthy any longer.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0092%3Acard%3D215#:~:text=For%20where%20women%20have%20the%20delight%20of%20the%20grape%2Dcluster%20at%20a%20feast%2C%20I%20say%20that%20none%20of%20their%20rites%20is%20healthy%20any%20longer.">Buckley</a> (1850)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>For where ’mong women <br>
The grape’s sweet poison mingles with the feast, <br>
Nought holy may we augur of such worship.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchae0000euri_x9h8/page/10/mode/2up?q=%22for+where+mong%22">Milman</a> (1865)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>When women drain the wine-cup at the feast,<br>
Foul is the orgie, dangerous the disease.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchaerogers00euri/page/12/mode/2up?q=%22when+women+drain%22">Rogers</a> (1872)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>For where the gladsome grape is found at women’s feasts, I deny that their rites have any longer good results.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Plays_of_Euripides_(Coleridge)/The_Bacchantes#:~:text=for%20where%20the%20gladsome%20grape%20is%20found%20at%20women%E2%80%99s%20feasts%2C%20I%20deny%20that%20their%20rites%20have%20any%20longer%20good%20results.">Coleridge</a> (1891)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>For when<br>
In women's feasts the cluster's pride hath part,<br>
No good, say I, comes of their revelry.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Tragedies_of_Euripides_(Way)/The_Bacchanals#cite_ref-6:~:text=for%20when,of%20their%20revelry.">Way</a> (1898)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>When once the gleam<br>
Of grapes hath lit a Woman's Festival,<br>
In all their prayers is no more health at all!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/35173/pg35173-images.html#:~:text=When%20once%20the%20gleam%0AOf%20grapes%20hath%20lit%20a%20Woman%27s%20Festival%2C%0AIn%20all%20their%20prayers%20is%20no%20more%20health%20at%20all!">Murray</a> (1902)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>For where women<br>
have the sparkle of the vine in their festivities,<br>
there, I say, nothing wholesome remains in their rituals.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchae0000euri_w7z7/page/48/mode/2up?q=%22for+where+women%22">Kirk</a> (1970)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>As for women, my opinion is this: when the sparkle of sweet wine appears at their feasts, no good can be expected from their ceremonies.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchae0000phil/page/188/mode/2up?q=%22as+for+women%22">Vellacott</a> (1973)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I tell you, when women <br>
have the cluster’s refreshment at banquets,<br>
there’s nothing healthy left about their orgies.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20070928000447/http://pages.sbcglobal.net/mattneub/downloads/bacchae.pdf">Neuburg</a> (1988)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Take my word,<br>
when women are allowed to fast on wine, there is no<br>
telling to what lengths their filthy minds will go!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchae0000euri_p3f3/page/16/mode/2up?q=%22Take+my+word%22">Cacoyannis</a> (1982)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I say that feast where a woman takes <br>
The gleaming grape is most diseased.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchae0000euri_h0w4/page/10/mode/2up?q=%22I+say+that+feast%22">Blessington</a> (1993)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>For whenever the liquid joy<br>
of the grape comes into women's festivals, then, I assure, you,<br>
there's nothing wholesome in their rites.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchaeofeuripid0000euri/page/34/mode/2up?q=%22liquid+joy%22">Esposito</a> (1998)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Because when women<br>
get their sparkle at a feast from wine,<br>
I say the entire ritual is corrupt.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchae0000euri_s0g4/page/10/mode/2up?q=%22because+when+women%22">Woodruff</a> (1999)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>For when the women have <br>
The bright grape-cluster gleaming at their feasts, <br>
There’s nothing healthy in these rites, I say.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchaeotherplay0000euri_p0i4/page/254/mode/2up?q=%22for+when+the+women%22">Gibbons/Segal</a> (2000)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Wherever women get the gleaming grape to drink in their feasts, everything about their rites is diseased.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchaeiphigenia00euri/page/34/mode/2up">Kovacs</a> (2002)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I’m telling you both, no good comes out of drunk women.<br>
Wine wisdom and orgies are dangerous.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://bacchicstage.wordpress.com/euripides/bacchae/#:~:text=I%E2%80%99m%20telling%20you%20both%2C%20no%20good%20comes%20out%20of%20drunk%20women.%0AWine%20wisdom%20and%20orgies%20are%20dangerous.">Theodoridis</a> (2005)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>For whenever the pleasure of the grape's<br>
cluster comes shimmering to women in feast, I say no-<br>
thing is left wholesome in their orgies!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://euripidesofathens.blogspot.com/2008/01/scene-1.html#:~:text=for%20whenever%20the%20pleasure%20of%20the%20grape%27s%0Acluster%20comes%20shimmering%20to%20women%20in%20feast%2C%20I%20say%20no%2D%0Athing%20is%20left%20wholesome%20in%20they%27re%20orgies!">Valerie</a> (2005)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Whenever women at some banquet start to take pleasure in the gleaming wine, I say there's nothing healthy in their worship.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Bacchae/o4JeCg6u18oC?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22whenever%20women%22">Johnston</a> (2008)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>It's always the same: as soon as you allow drink and women at a festival, everything gets sordid.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchae0000euri_p3z6/page/16/mode/2up?q=%22always+the+same%22">Robertson</a> (2014)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>When <i>women</i> start getting into the wine, I say it’s gone too far. It’s not healthy.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://the-mercurian.com/2019/12/13/the-bacchae/#:~:text=When%20women%20start%20getting%20into%20the%20wine%2C%20I%20say%20it%E2%80%99s%20gone%20too%20far.%20It%E2%80%99s%20not%20healthy.">Pauly</a> (2019)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>There is no good in these festivals where shimmering wine corrupts women.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Bacchae_of_Euripides/UmCTDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22shimmering%20wine%22&printsec=frontcover">Behr/Foster</a> (2019)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>For where women have the delight of the grape at a feast, I say that none of their rites is healthy any longer.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://chs.harvard.edu/primary-source/euripides-bacchae-sb/#:~:text=For%20where%20women%20have%20the%20delight%20of%20the%20grape%20at%20a%20feast%2C%20I%20say%20that%20none%20of%20their%20rites%20is%20healthy%20any%20longer.">Buckley/Sens/Nagy</a> (2020)]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Wollstonecraft, Mary -- A Vindication of the Rights of Woman, ch.  3 (1792)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taught from infancy that beauty is woman&#8217;s sceptre, the mind shapes itself to the body, and roaming round its gilt cage, only seeks to adorn its prison.</p>
<br><b>Mary Wollstonecraft</b> (1759-1797) English social philosopher, feminist, writer<br><i>A Vindication of the Rights of Woman</i>, ch.  3 (1792) 
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		<title>Euripides -- Bacchæ [Βάκχαι], l.  217ff [Pentheus/Πενθεύς] (405 BC) [tr. Arrowsmith (1960)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stories of our women leaving home to frisk in mock ecstasies among the thickets on the mountain, dancing in honor of the latest divinity, a certain Dionysus, whoever he may be! In their midst stand bowls brimming with wine. And then, one by one, the women wander off to hidden nooks where they serve the [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stories of our women leaving home to frisk<br />
in mock ecstasies among the thickets on the mountain,<br />
dancing in honor of the latest divinity,<br />
a certain Dionysus, whoever he may be!<br />
In their midst stand bowls brimming with wine.<br />
And then, one by one, the women wander off<br />
to hidden nooks where they serve the lusts of men.<br />
Priestesses of Bacchus they claim they are,<br />
but it&#8217;s really Aphrodite they adore. </p>
<p>[γυναῖκας ἡμῖν δώματ᾽ ἐκλελοιπέναι<br />
πλασταῖσι βακχείαισιν, ἐν δὲ δασκίοις<br />
ὄρεσι θοάζειν, τὸν νεωστὶ δαίμονα<br />
Διόνυσον, ὅστις ἔστι, τιμώσας χοροῖς:<br />
πλήρεις δὲ θιάσοις ἐν μέσοισιν ἑστάναι<br />
κρατῆρας, ἄλλην δ᾽ ἄλλοσ᾽ εἰς ἐρημίαν<br />
πτώσσουσαν εὐναῖς ἀρσένων ὑπηρετεῖν,<br />
πρόφασιν μὲν ὡς δὴ μαινάδας θυοσκόους,<br />
τὴν δ᾽ Ἀφροδίτην πρόσθ᾽ ἄγειν τοῦ Βακχίου.]</p>
<br><b>Euripides</b> (485?-406? BC) Greek tragic dramatist<br><i>Bacchæ</i> [Βάκχαι], l.  217ff [Pentheus/Πενθεύς] (405 BC) [tr. Arrowsmith (1960)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://classics.domains.skidmore.edu/lit-campus-only/primary/translations/Euripides%20Bac.pdf" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0091%3Acard%3D215#:~:text=%CE%B3%CF%85%CE%BD%CE%B1%E1%BF%96%CE%BA%CE%B1%CF%82%20%E1%BC%A1%CE%BC%E1%BF%96%CE%BD%20%CE%B4%CF%8E%CE%BC%CE%B1%CF%84,%CF%84%CE%BF%E1%BF%A6%20%CE%92%CE%B1%CE%BA%CF%87%CE%AF%CE%BF%CF%85.">Source (Greek)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Their homes <br>
Our women have deserted, on pretence <br>
That they in mystic orgies are engaged; <br>
On the umbrageous hills they chant the praise <br>
Of this new God, whoe'er he be, this Bacchus; <br>
Him in their dances they revere, and place <br>
Amid their ranks huge goblets fraught with wine: <br>
Some fly to pathless deserts, where they meet <br>
Their paramours, while they in outward shew <br>
Are Mænedes by holy rites engrossed. <br>
Yet Venus more than Bacchus they revere. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/nineteentragedi00wodhgoog/page/356/mode/2up?q=%22their+homes+our+women%22">Wodhull</a> (1809)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The women have left our homes in contrived Bacchic rites, and rush about in the shadowy mountains, honoring with dances this new deity Dionysus, whoever he is. I hear that mixing-bowls stand full in the midst of their assemblies, and that they each creep off different ways into secrecy to serve the beds of men, on the pretext that they are Maenads worshipping; but they consider Aphrodite before Bacchus.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0092%3Acard%3D215#:~:text=the%20women%20have,Aphrodite%20before%20Bacchus.">Buckley</a> (1850)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Our women all have left their homes, to join<br>
These fabled mysteries. On the shadowy rocks<br>
Frequent they sit, this God of yesterday, <br>
Dionysus, whosoe'er he be, with revels<br>
Dishonorable honoring. In the midst<br>
Stand the crowned goblets; and each stealing forth,<br>
This way and that, creeps to a lawless bed;<br>
In pretext, holy sacrificing Mænads,<br>
But serving Aphrodite more than Bacchus.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchae0000euri_x9h8/page/8/mode/2up?q=%22our+women+all%22">Milman</a> (1865)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Our women have deserted from their homes,<br>
Pretending Bacchic rites, and now they lurk<br>
In the shady hill-tops reverencing forsooth<br>
This Dionysus, this new deity.<br>
Full bowls of wine are served out to the throng;<br>
And scattered here and there through the glades,<br>
The wantons hurry to licentious love.<br>
They call themselves the priestess Mænades;<br>
Bacchus invoke, but Aphrodite serve.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchaerogers00euri/page/10/mode/2up?q=%22women+have+deserted%22">Rogers</a> (1872), l. 200ff]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I hear that our women-folk have left their homes on pretence of Bacchic rites, and on the wooded hills rush wildly to and fro, honouring in the dance this new god Dionysus, whoe’er he is; and in the midst of each revel-rout the brimming wine-bowl stands, and one by one they steal away to lonely spots to gratify their lust, pretending forsooth that they are Mænads bent on sacrifice, though it is Aphrodite they are placing before the Bacchic god.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Plays_of_Euripides_(Coleridge)/The_Bacchantes#:~:text=I%20hear%20that,the%20Bacchic%20god.">Coleridge</a> (1891)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>How from their homes our women have gone forth<br>
Feigning a Bacchic rapture, and rove wild<br>
O'er wooded hills, in dances honouring<br>
Dionysus, this new God -- whoe'er he be. ⁠<br>
And midst each revel-rout the wine-bowls stand<br>
Brimmed: and to lonely nooks, some here, some there,<br>
They steal, to work with men the deed of shame,<br>
In pretext Maenad priestesses, forsooth,<br>
But honouring Aphroditê more than Bacchus.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Tragedies_of_Euripides_(Way)/The_Bacchanals#cite_ref-6:~:text=How%20from%20their,more%20than%20Bacchus.">Way</a> (1898)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Our own<br>
Wives, our own sisters, from their hearths are flown<br>
To wild and secret rites; and cluster there<br>
High on the shadowy hills, with dance and prayer<br>
To adore this new-made God, this Dionyse,<br>
Whate'er he be! -- And in their companies<br>
Deep wine-jars stand, and ever and anon<br>
Away into the loneliness now one<br>
Steals forth, and now a second, maid or dame,<br>
Where love lies waiting, not of God! The flame,<br>
They say, of Bacchios wraps them. Bacchios! Nay,<br>
'Tis more to Aphrodite that they pray.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/35173/pg35173-images.html#:~:text=our%20own%0AWives,that%20they%20pray.">Murray</a> (1902)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>That our women have abandoned their homes<br>
in fake bacchic revels, and in the deep-shaded<br>
mountains are roaming around, honoring with dances<br>
the new-made god Dionysus, whoever he is;<br>
that wine-bowls are set among the sacred companies<br>
full to the brim, and that one by one the women go crouching <br>
into the wilderness, to serve the lechery of men --<br>
they profess to be maenads making sacrifice, <br>
but actually they put Aphrodite before the Bacchic god. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchae0000euri_w7z7/page/46/mode/2up?q=%22abandoned+their+homes%22">Kirk</a> (1970)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Our women, I discover, have abandoned their homes on some pretence of Bacchic worship, and go gadding about in the woods on the mountain side, dancing in honour of this upstart god Dionysus, whoever he may be. They tell me, in the midst of each group of revellers stands a bowl full of wine; and the women go creeping off this way and that to lonely places and there give themselves to lecherous men, under the excuse that they are Maenad priestesses; though in their ritual Aphrodite comes before Bacchus.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchae0000phil/page/188/mode/2up?q=%22Our+women%2C+I+discover%22">Vellacott</a> (1973)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>They leave their home, desert their children<br>
Follow the new fashion and join the Bacchae<br>
Flee the hearth to mob the mountains -- those contain<br>
Deep shadows of course, secret caves to hide<br>
Lewd games for this new god -- Dionysos!<br>
That's the holy spirit newly discovered.<br>
Dionysos! Their ecstasy is flooded down <br>
In brimming bowls of wine -- so much for piety!<br>
Soused, with all the senses roused, they crawl<br>
Into the bushes and there of course a man<br>
Awaits them. All part of the service for for this<br>
Mysterious deity. The hypocrisy? All they care about<br>
Is getting serviced.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchaeofeuripid00soyi/page/26/mode/2up?q=%22they+leave+their%22">Soyinka</a> (1973)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Our women gone, abandoning their homes,<br>
pretending to be bacchae, massing<br>
in the bushy mountains, this latest divinity<br>
Dionysos (whoever he is) honouring and chorusing, <br>
filling and setting amidst the thiasus<br>
wine-bowls, and one by one in solitude<br>
sneaking off to cater to male bidding, --<br>
supposedly as sacrificial maenads,<br>
but Aphrodite ranks before their Bacchic One.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20070928000447/http://pages.sbcglobal.net/mattneub/downloads/bacchae.pdf">Neuburg</a> (1988)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Our women, I am told, have left their homes, <br>
in a religious trance -- what travesty! --<br>
and scamper up and down the wooded mountains, dancing<br>
in honor of this newfangled God, Dionysus,<br>
whoever he might be.<br>
In the middle of each female group<br>
of revelers, I hear,<br>
stands a jar of wine, brimming! And that taking turns,<br>
they steal away, one here, one there, to shady nooks,<br>
where they satisfy the lechery of men,<br>
pretending to be priestesses,<br>
performing their religious duties. Ha!<br>
<i>That</i> performance reeks more of Aphrodite than of Bacchus.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchae0000euri_p3f3/page/14/mode/2up?q=%22our+women+i+am+told%22">Cacoyannis</a> (1982)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Our women have abandoned our homes <br>
And, in a jacked-up frenzy of phony inspiration,<br>
Riot in the dark mountains,<br>
Honoring this upstart god, Dionysos --<br>
Whatever he is -- dancing in his chorus.<br>
Full jugs of wine stand in their midst<br>
And each woman slinks off<br>
To the wilderness to serve male lust,<br>
Pretending they are praying priestesses,<br>
But Aphrodite leads them, not Bacchus.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchae0000euri_h0w4/page/8/mode/2up?q=%22abandoned+our+homes%22">Blessington</a> (1993)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Our women have abandoned their homes<br>
for the sham revelries of Bacchus<br>
frisking about on the dark-shadowed mountains<br>
honoring with their dances the latest god, Dionysius, whoever he is.<br>
They've set up their mixing bowls brimming with wine<br>
amidst their cult gatherings, and each lady slinks off in a different direction<br>
to some secluded wilderness to service the lusts of men.<br>
They pretend to be maenads performing sacrifices<br>
but in reality they rank Aphrodite's pleasures before Bacchus!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchaeofeuripid0000euri/page/34/mode/2up?q=%22mixing+bowls%22">Esposito</a> (1998)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>These women of ours have left their homes<br>
and run away to the dark mountains, pretending<br>
to be Bacchants. It's this brand-new god,<br>
Dionysus, whoever that is; they're dancing for <i>him!</i><br>
They gather in throngs around full bowls<br>
of wine; then one by one they sneak away<br>
to lonely places where they sleep with men.<br>
Priestesses they call themselves! Maenads!<br>
It's Aphrodite they put first, not Bacchus.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchae0000euri_s0g4/page/8/mode/2up?q=%22these+women+of+ours%22">Woodruff</a> (1999)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Women leave<br>
Our houses for bogus revels (“Bakkhic” indeed!), <br>
Dashing through the dark shade of mountain forests<br>
To honor with their dancing this new god,<br>
Dionysos -- whoever he may be --<br>
And right in their midst they set full bowls of wine,<br>
And slink into the thickets to meet men there,<br>
Saying they are maenads sacrificing <br>
When they really rank Aphrodite first,<br>
Over Bakkhos!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchaeotherplay0000euri_p0i4/page/252/mode/2up?q=%22bogus+revels%22">Gibbons/Segal</a> (2000)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The women have left our homes in fictitious ecstatic rites and flit about on the thick-shaded mountains, honoring the new god Dionysus, whoever he is, with their dancing. They set up full wine bowls in the middle of their assembles and sneak off, one here, one there, to tryst in private with men. The pretext for all of this is that they are maenads, performing their rites, but they hold Aphrodite in higher regard than the bacchic god. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchaeiphigenia00euri/page/30/mode/2up">Kovacs</a> (2002)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I hear our women have flown from their proper place in the home -- dancing about in the shadowy hills in sham ecstasy for this newfound Dionysus! And these wine-befuddled women slink into the darkness, drawn by the sirens of lust. Fine high priestesses of the new god! They seem to make more worship of Aphrodite than of Bacchus!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Euripides_The_Bacchae/_2TKSJfPDT4C?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%20%22hear%20our%20women%22">Rao/Wolf</a> (2004)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I heard that our women have left their homes and gone off to the mountains dancing the Bacchic dances! Some new, young god! Utter rubbish! There they are, placing great tubs full of wine in the centre of their group, in the middle of nowhere and off they go, one here, another there, rolling around with any man they come across and giving the excuse that they are maenads; but what are they doing? Serving Dionysos?  No way! They’re serving Aphrodite!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://bacchicstage.wordpress.com/euripides/bacchae/#:~:text=I%20heard%20that,They%E2%80%99re%20serving%20Aphrodite!">Theodoridis</a> (2005)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The women have left us, abandoning their homes in <br>
phony Bacchic worship and that they gad about on<br>
the bushy mountaintops; that this "new" god Dio-<br>
nysus, whoever he really is, is honoured in their dances,<br>
and that they set the sacred wine-bowls, fill'd, in the<br>
midst of the thiasoi, each slinking off her sep'rate<br>
way to serve males' hot lust in the woods, pre-<br>
tending to be Maenads sacrificing; and so<br>
they place Aphrodite on top of Bacchus.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://euripidesofathens.blogspot.com/2008/01/scene-1.html#:~:text=the%20women%20have,top%20of%20Bacchus.">Valerie</a> (2005)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;... women leaving home<br>
to go to silly Bacchic rituals,<br>
cavorting there in mountain shadows,<br>
with dances honoring some upstart god,<br>
this Dionysus, whoever he may be. Mixing bowls<br>
in the middle of their meetings filled with wine,<br>
they creep off one by one to lonsely spots<br>
to have sex with men, claiming they're Maenads<br>
busy worshipping. But they rank Aphrodite,<br>
goddess of sexual desire, ahead of Bacchus.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Bacchae/o4JeCg6u18oC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22women%20leaving%20home%22">Johnston</a> (2008), l. 272ff]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Women have deserted their homes for these<br>
fraudulent rites -- up in the woods and mountains,<br>
dancing to celebrate some new god --<br>
Dionysus, whoever he is.<br>
Drink is at the bottom of it all.<br>
Huge bowls stand in their midst, I'm told,<br>
brimming with wine, and one by one the women<br>
slip into the shadows to satisfy the lusts of men. <br>
They say they are priestesses, sworn to Bacchus,<br>
but it's clearly Aphrodite they adore.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/bacchae0000euri_p3z6/page/16/mode/2up?q=%22deserted+their+homes%22">Robertson</a> (2014)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Women have forsaken their homes. It’s a front, it’s a fake, a false Bacchic rite, an excuse for them to cavort in the mountain’s shade, dancing to honor this "new god" Dionysus.<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Whoever <i>that</i> is. Whoever he <i>really</i> is.<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I hear they’ve got casks of wine up there, full to the brim, just sitting there in the midst of their frolicking. And that they sneak off into secluded corners, servicing men, excusing it as a sacred thing, a Maenad’s ritual.<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;If it <i>is</i> a ritual, it’s to Aphrodite, not this Bacchus of theirs.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://the-mercurian.com/2019/12/13/the-bacchae/#:~:text=women%20have%20forsaken,Bacchus%20of%20theirs.">Pauly</a> (2019)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>How our women<br>
had run off<br>
to celebrate<br>
perferse rites<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;in the mountains,<br>
roaming about with this<br>
brand new god, Dionysus --<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;whoever he is.<br>
Everywhere<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;in the midst of their revels<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;stand full wine bowls.<br>
And women slink off<br>
one by one<br>
to copulate<br>
with any man<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;who happens by.<br>
They pretend to be Maenads, priestesses.<br>
It's Aphrodite,<br>
not Bacchus,<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;they worship.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Bacchae_of_Euripides/UmCTDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22how%20our%20women%22">Behr/Foster</a> (2019)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Our women have left our homes in contrived Bacchic rites, and rush about in the shadowy mountains, honoring with <i>khoroi</i> this new <i>daimōn</i> Dionysus, whoever he is. I hear that mixing-bowls stand full in the midst of their assemblies, and that each woman, flying to secrecy in different directions, yields to the embraces of men, on the pretext that they are Maenads worshipping. They consider Aphrodite of greater priority than Dionysus.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://chs.harvard.edu/primary-source/euripides-bacchae-sb/#:~:text=our%20women%20have,priority%20than%20Dionysus.">Buckley/Sens/Nagy</a> (2020)]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Pratchett, Terry -- Good Omens, 3. &#8220;Wednesday&#8221; (1990) [with Neil Gaiman]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[She’d stopped reading the kind of women’s magazine that talks about romance and knitting and started reading the kind of women’s magazine that talks about orgasms, but apart from making a mental note to have one if ever the occasion presented itself she dismissed them as only romance and knitting in a new form.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She’d stopped reading the kind of women’s magazine that talks about romance and knitting and started reading the kind of women’s magazine that talks about orgasms, but apart from making a mental note to have one if ever the occasion presented itself she dismissed them as only romance and knitting in a new form.</p>
<br><b>Terry Pratchett</b> (1948-2015) English author<br><i>Good Omens</i>, 3. &#8220;Wednesday&#8221; (1990) [with Neil Gaiman] 
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		<title>Holland, Barbara -- One&#8217;s Company: Reflections on Living Alone, ch. 1 (1992)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[For ages past, women were defined only in relation to other people, and the definition lingers: a woman may be called a wife and mother for most of her life, while a man is called a husband and father only at his funeral.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For ages past, women were defined only in relation to other people, and the definition lingers: a woman may be called a wife and mother for most of her life, while a man is called a husband and father only at his funeral.</p>
<br><b>Barbara Holland</b> (1933-2010) American author<br><i>One&#8217;s Company: Reflections on Living Alone</i>, ch. 1 (1992) 
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		<title>McLaughlin, Mignon -- The Neurotic&#8217;s Notebook, ch.  3 (1963)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Women are good listeners, but it’s a waste of time telling your troubles to a man unless there is something specific you want him to do.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Women are good listeners, but it’s a waste of time telling your troubles to a man unless there is something specific you want him to do.</p>
<br><b>Mignon McLaughlin</b> (1913-1983) American journalist and author<br><i>The Neurotic&#8217;s Notebook</i>, ch.  3 (1963) 
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		<title>Housman, Laurence -- (Attributed)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Nature had arranged that husbands and wives should have children alternately, there would never be more than three in a family.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Nature had arranged that husbands and wives should have children alternately, there would never be more than three in a family.</p>
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		<title>McLaughlin, Mignon -- The Second Neurotic&#8217;s Notebook, ch.  3 (1966)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Men who don&#8217;t like girls with brains don&#8217;t like girls. Originally published in McLaughlin&#8217;s &#8220;The Neurotic&#8217;s Notebook&#8221; column in The Atlantic, some time in 1965.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Men who don&#8217;t like girls with brains don&#8217;t like girls.</p>
<br><b>Mignon McLaughlin</b> (1913-1983) American journalist and author<br><i>The Second Neurotic&#8217;s Notebook</i>, ch.  3 (1966) 
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Originally published in McLaughlin's "The Neurotic's Notebook" column in <i>The Atlantic</i>, some time in 1965.						</span>
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		<title>Pinker, Steven -- The Blank Slate, Part 5, ch. 18 (2002)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is, in fact, no incompatibility between the principles of feminism and the possibility that men and women are not psychologically identical. To repeat: equality is not the empirical claim that all groups of humans are interchangeable; it is the moral principle that individuals should not be judged or constrained by the average properties of [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is, in fact, no incompatibility between the principles of feminism and the possibility that men and women are not psychologically identical. To repeat: equality is not the empirical claim that all groups of humans are interchangeable; it is the moral principle that individuals should not be judged or constrained by the average properties of their group. In the case of gender, the barely defeated Equal Rights Amendment put it succinctly: &#8220;Equality of Rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any state on account of sex.&#8221; If we recognize this principle, no one has to spin myths about the indistinguishability of the sexes to justify equality. Nor should anyone invoke sex differences to justify discriminatory policies or to hector women into doing what they don&#8217;t want to do.</p>
<br><b>Steven Pinker</b> (b. 1954) Canadian-American cognitive psychologist, linguist, author<br><i>The Blank Slate</i>, Part 5, ch. 18 (2002) 
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		<title>Twain, Mark -- &#8220;Women, a Eulogy of the Fair Sex,&#8221; Speech at the Correspondents Club, Washington, DC (11 Jan 1868)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[What, sir, would the people of this earth be without woman? They would be scarce, sir. Mighty scarce. The speech (responding to a toast) was printed on 13 January in the Washington Star. The last sentence (or, in some cases, &#8220;Almighty scarce&#8221;) was apparently added later in Twain&#8217;s published speeches. Variant: &#8220;What would men be [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What, sir, would the people of this earth be without woman? They would be scarce, sir. Mighty scarce.</p>
<br><b>Mark Twain</b> (1835-1910) American writer [pseud. of Samuel Clemens]<br>&#8220;Women, a Eulogy of the Fair Sex,&#8221; Speech at the Correspondents Club, Washington, DC (11 Jan 1868) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Mark_Twain_A_Biography/0EpSDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=twain%20%22scarce%20sir%20mighty%20scarce%22&pg=PA318&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22scarce%20sir%20mighty%20scarce%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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The speech (responding to a toast) was <a href="https://twain.lib.virginia.edu/onstage/woman68.html">printed</a> on 13 January in the Washington <em>Star</em>. The last sentence (or, in some cases, "Almighty scarce") was apparently added later in Twain's <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Mark_Twain_s_Speeches/7etXZ5Q17ngC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=mark%20twain%20speeches&pg=PP9&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22scarce%22">published speeches</a>.<br><br>

Variant: "What would men be without women? Scarce, sir, mighty scarce."						</span>
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		<title>Homer -- The Odyssey [Ὀδύσσεια], Book 11, l. 456 (11.456) [Agamemnon] (c. 700 BC) [tr. Lombardo (2000), l. 274]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Women just can&#8217;t be trusted any more. [Ἐπεὶ οὐκέτι πιστὰ γυναιξίν.] Agamemnon, who was slain on his homecoming by Clytemnestra, is giving Odysseus marital advice when the latter visits Hades. Original Greek. Alternate translations: &#8220;For ’tis no world to trust a woman now.&#8221; [tr. Chapman (1616)] &#8220;Remember still, women unfaithful are.&#8221; [tr. Hobbes (1675)] &#8220;For [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Women just can&#8217;t be trusted any more.</p>
<p>[Ἐπεὶ οὐκέτι πιστὰ γυναιξίν.]</p>
<br><b>Homer</b> (fl. 7th-8th C. BC) Greek author<br><i>The Odyssey</i> [Ὀδύσσεια], Book 11, l. 456 (11.456) [Agamemnon] (c. 700 BC) [tr. Lombardo (2000), l. 274] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Odyssey/yIFAC9r4NW0C?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PP1&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22women%20just%20cant%20be%20trusted%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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Agamemnon, who was slain on his homecoming by Clytemnestra, is giving Odysseus marital advice when the latter visits Hades. <a href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0135%3Abook%3D11%3Acard%3D440#:~:text=%CE%B5%CF%80%CE%B5%CE%B9%20%CE%BF%CF%85%CE%BA%CE%B5%CF%84%CE%B9%20%CF%80%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B1%20%CE%B3%CF%85%CE%BD%CE%B1%CE%B9%CE%BE%CE%B9%CE%BD.">Original Greek</a>. Alternate translations: <br><br> 

<ul>
	<li>"For ’tis no world to trust a woman now." [tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/48895/48895-h/48895-h.htm#:~:text=but%20take%20close%20shore%20disguis%E2%80%99d%2C%20nor%20let%20her%20know%2C%20for%20%E2%80%99tis%20no%20world%20to%20trust%20a%20woman%20now.">Chapman</a> (1616)]</li>

	<li>"Remember still, women unfaithful are." [tr. <a href="https://oll.libertyfund.org/title/hobbes-the-english-works-vol-x-iliad-and-odyssey#:~:text=440remember%20still%2C%20women%20unfaithful%20are.">Hobbes</a> (1675)]</li>

	<li>"For since of womankind so few are just, /  Think all are false, nor even the faithful trust." [tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Odyssey_(Pope)/Book_XI#:~:text=for%20since%20of%20womankind%20so%20few%20are%20just%2C%20think%20all%20are%20false%2C%20nor%20e'en%20the%20faithful%20trust.">Pope</a> (1725)]</li>

	<li>"For woman merits trust no more." [tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/24269/24269-h/24269-h.htm#:~:text=for%20woman%20merits%20trust%20no%20more.">Cowper</a> (1792), l. 453]</li>

	<li>"No more are women to be trusted now." [tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Odyssey_of_Homer/7-Eh5oFk6msC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA276">Worsley</a> (1861), st. 54]</li>

	<li>"For that trust / Henceforth in women must never be plac'd." [tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Odyssey_of_Homer/RgULAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22henceforth%20in%20women%22&dq=odyssey%20musgrave&pg=PA299&printsec=frontcover">Musgrave</a> (1869), l. 706ff]</li>

	<li>"No trust in women!" [tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Nearly_Literal_Translation_of_Homer_s/44YXAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA193&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22no%20trust%20in%20women%22">Bigge-Wither</a> (1869), l. 455]</li>

	<li>"For there is no more faith in woman." [tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1728/1728-h/1728-h.htm#:~:text=for%20there%20is%20no%20more%20faith%20in%20woman">Butcher/Lang</a> (1879) and <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Odyssey/KYlBAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA179&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22no%20more%20faith%20in%20woman%22">Palmer</a> (1891)]</li>

	<li>"From now henceforth in women no troth or trust shall be." [tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Odyssey_of_Homer/VwcOAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA206&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22henceforth%20in%20women%22">Morris</a> (1887)]</li>

	<li>"For after all this there is no trusting women." [tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Odyssey_(Butler)/Book_XI#:~:text=for%20after%20all%20this%20there%20is%20no%20trusting%20women.">Butler</a> (1898)]</li>

	<li>"For no longer is there faith in women." [tr. <a href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0136%3Abook%3D11%3Acard%3D440#:~:text=for%20no%20longer%20is%20there%20faith%20in%20women.">Murray</a> (1919)]</li>

	<li>"There is no putting faith in women." [tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Odyssey/qhQAywOYz10C?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA3&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22putting%20faith%20in%22">Lawrence</a> (1932)]</li>

	<li>"Women, I tell you, are no longer to be trusted." [tr. <a href="https://archive.org/stream/TheOdyssey/TheOdyssey_djvu.txt#:~:text=women%2C%20i%20tell%20you%2C%20are%20no%20longer%20to%20be%20trusted.">Rieu</a> (1946) and <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Odyssey/U2Jovv1NuMsC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PP1&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22longer%20to%20be%20trusted%22">DCH Rieu</a> (2002)]</li>

	<li>"There is no trusting in women." [tr. <a href="https://archive.org/stream/hmril/The%20Odyssey%20of%20Homer%2C%20translated%20by%20Richmond%20Lattimore_djvu.txt#:~:text=There%20is%20no%20trusting%20in%20women.">Lattimore</a> (1965)]</li>

	<li>"No woman merits trust." [tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Odyssey_of_Homer/ORyo8qAA-CQC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PP1&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22no%20woman%20merits%20trust%22">Mandelbaum</a> (1990)]</li>

	<li>"The time for trusting women's gone forever!" [tr. <a href="https://www.boyle.kyschools.us/UserFiles/88/The%20Odyssey.pdf">Fagles</a> (1996), l. 456]</li>

	<li>"Women are no longer to be trusted." [tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Odyssey/o8dLDQAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA130&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22no%20longer%20to%20be%20trusted%22">Verity</a> (2016)]</li>

	<li>"No more is there faith in women." [tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Odyssey/BUFJDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22faith%20in%20women%22&pg=PR5&printsec=frontcover">Green</a> (2018)]</li>


	<li>"For there’s no trust / in women anymore." [tr. <a href="http://johnstoniatexts.x10host.com/homer/odyssey11html.html#:~:text=For%20there%E2%80%99s%20no%20trust">Johnston</a> (2019), l. 577ff]</li>


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		<title>Friday, Nancy -- My Mother/My Self (1977)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Because society would rather we always wore a pretty face, women have been trained to cut off anger.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because society would rather we always wore a pretty face, women have been trained to cut off anger.</p>
<br><b>Nancy Friday</b> (1933-2017) American author and feminist<br><i>My Mother/My Self</i> (1977) 
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		<title>Mannes, Marya -- Out of My Time (1971)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A critical, strong speech made by a man is &#8220;blunt&#8221; or &#8220;outspoken&#8221; or &#8220;pulls no punches.&#8221; A speech of similar force and candor made by a woman is &#8220;waspish,&#8221; &#8220;sarcastic,&#8221; or &#8220;cutting.&#8221; A man of strong opinions is defined as having &#8220;deep convictions.&#8221; A woman so constituted is merely &#8220;opinionated,&#8221; and always &#8220;aggressive.&#8221;]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A critical, strong speech made by a man is &#8220;blunt&#8221; or &#8220;outspoken&#8221; or &#8220;pulls no punches.&#8221; A speech of similar force and candor made by a woman is &#8220;waspish,&#8221; &#8220;sarcastic,&#8221; or &#8220;cutting.&#8221; A man of strong opinions is defined as having &#8220;deep convictions.&#8221; A woman so constituted is merely &#8220;opinionated,&#8221; and always &#8220;aggressive.&#8221; </p>
<br><b>Marya Mannes</b> (1904-1990) American author and critic [pen name "Sec"]<br><i>Out of My Time</i> (1971) 
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		<title>L'Enclos, Ninon de -- The Memoirs of Ninon de L’Enclos, Vol. 1, “Life and Character” (1761)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[How unhappy are women! Their own sex their most inveterate enemy. An husband tyrannizes; a lover dishonors and despises them. Watched on all sides, thwarted in all things; ever in fear and in constraint; without support or succour; with a number of lovers but not one friend. Is it then to be wondered at that [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How unhappy are women! Their own sex their most inveterate enemy. An husband tyrannizes; a lover dishonors and despises them. Watched on all sides, thwarted in all things; ever in fear and in constraint; without support or succour; with a number of lovers but not one friend. Is it then to be wondered at that they should become a compound of humor, dissimulation, and caprice?</p>
<br><b>Anne "Ninon" de l'Enclos</b> (1620-1705) French author, courtesan, patron of the arts [Ninon de Lenclos, Ninon de Lanclos]<br><i>The Memoirs of Ninon de L’Enclos</i>, Vol. 1, “Life and Character” (1761) 
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		<title>Mencken, H. L. -- &#8220;The Incomparable Buzz-Saw,&#8221; The Smart Set (May 1919)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The allurement that women hold out to men is precisely the allurement that Cape Hatteras holds out to sailors: they are enormously dangerous and hence enormously fascinating.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The allurement that women hold out to men is precisely the allurement that Cape Hatteras holds out to sailors: they are enormously dangerous and hence enormously fascinating.</p>
<br><b>H. L. Mencken</b> (1880-1956) American writer and journalist [Henry Lewis Mencken]<br>&#8220;The Incomparable Buzz-Saw,&#8221; <i>The Smart Set</i> (May 1919) 
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		<title>Wright, Fanny -- Views of Society and Manners in America, Letter 23, Mar. 1820 (1821)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps the condition of women affords, in all countries, the best criterion by which to judge the character of men.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the condition of women affords, in all countries, the best criterion by which to judge the character of men. </p>
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<br><b>Frances "Fanny" Wright</b> (1795-1852) Scottish-American writer, lecturer, social reformer<br><i>Views of Society and Manners in America</i>, Letter 23, Mar. 1820 (1821) 
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		<title>Greenwood, Kerry -- Phryne Fisher No.  5, The Green Mill Murder (1993)</title>
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<br><b>Kerry Greenwood</b> (b. 1954) Australian author and lawyer<br>Phryne Fisher No.  5, <i>The Green Mill Murder</i> (1993) 
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		<title>Crabbe, George -- Tales of the Hall, &#8220;The Maid&#8217;s Story&#8221; (1819)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Secrets with girls, like loaded guns with boys, Are never valued till they make a noise.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Secrets with girls, like loaded guns with boys,<br />
Are never valued till they make a noise.</p>
<br><b>George Crabbe</b> (1754-1832) English poet, writer, surgeon, clergyman<br><i>Tales of the Hall</i>, &#8220;The Maid&#8217;s Story&#8221; (1819) 
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		<title>Burns, George -- Dr. Burns’ Prescription for Happiness, &#8220;Nine Definitions of Happiness&#8221; (1984)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A good martini, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman &#8230; or a bad woman, depending on how much happiness you can stand.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good martini, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman &#8230; or a bad woman, depending on how much happiness you can stand. </p>
<br><b>George Burns</b> (1896-1996) American comedian<br><i>Dr. Burns’ Prescription for Happiness</i>, &#8220;Nine Definitions of Happiness&#8221; (1984) 
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		<title>Stross, Charles -- The Annihilation Score, ch. 19 (2015)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The invisible man is a Wellsian supervillain, but the invisible women are all around us, anxious and unseen.</p>
<br><b>Charles "Charlie" Stross</b> (b. 1964) British writer <br><i>The Annihilation Score</i>, ch. 19 (2015) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=HIEVBgAAQBAJ&q=wellesean#v=onepage&q=wellsian&f=false" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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		<title>Heinlein, Robert A. -- Stranger in a Strange Land, ch. 27 [Patty] (1961)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If God didn&#8217;t want women to be looked at, he would have made &#8217;em ugly &#8212; that&#8217;s reasonable, isn&#8217;t it? God isn&#8217;t a cheat; He set up the game Himself &#8212; He wouldn&#8217;t rig it so that the marks can&#8217;t win, like a flat joint wheel in a town with the fix on. He wouldn&#8217;t send anybody to Hell for losing in a crooked game.</p>
<br><b>Robert A. Heinlein</b> (1907-1988) American writer<br><i>Stranger in a Strange Land</i>, ch. 27 [Patty] (1961) 
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		<title>Kennedy, Florynce -- (Attributed)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[People always ask if a woman can be a wife and mother and have a career at the same time. Why don&#8217;t they ask if she can be a hostess, chauffeur, cook, gardener, nurse, seamstress, social secretary, purchasing agent, baby machine, and courtesan &#8212; and a wife and a mother, too? Quoted in Gloria Steinem, [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People always ask if a woman can be a wife and mother and have a career at the same time. Why don&#8217;t they ask if she can be a hostess, chauffeur, cook, gardener, nurse, seamstress, social secretary, purchasing agent, baby machine, and courtesan &#8212; and a wife and a mother, too?</p>
<br><b>Florynce "Flo" Kennedy</b> (1916-2000) American lawyer, feminist, civil rights activist<br>(Attributed) 
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Quoted in Gloria Steinem, "The Verbal Karate of Florynce R. Kennedy, Esq.," <i>Ms.</i> (Mar 1973).


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		<title>Welles, Orson -- Interview with David Frost, David Frost Show (12 May 1970)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[If there hadn&#8217;t been women we&#8217;d still be squatting in a cave eating raw meat, because we made civilization in order to impress our girlfriends.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there hadn&#8217;t been women we&#8217;d still be squatting in a cave eating raw meat, because we made civilization in order to impress our girlfriends.</p>
<br><b>Orson Welles</b> (1915-1985) American writer, director, actor<br>Interview with David Frost, <i>David Frost Show</i> (12 May 1970) 
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		<title>Bronte, Charlotte -- Jane Eyre, ch. 12 [Jane] (1847)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Women are supposed to be very calm generally; but women feel just as men feel; they need exercise for their faculties and a field for their efforts as much as their brothers do; they suffer from too rigid a restraint, too absolute a stagnation, precisely as men would suffer; and it is narrow-minded in their [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Women are supposed to be very calm generally; but women feel just as men feel; they need exercise for their faculties and a field for their efforts as much as their brothers do; they suffer from too rigid a restraint, too absolute a stagnation, precisely as men would suffer; and it is narrow-minded in their more privileged fellow-creatures to say that they ought to confine themselves to making puddings and knitting stockings, to playing on the piano and embroidering bags. It is thoughtless to condemn them, or laugh at them, if they seek to do more or learn more than custom has pronounced necessary for their sex.</p>
<br><b>Charlotte Brontë</b> (1816-1855) British novelist [pseud. Currer Bell]<br><i>Jane Eyre</i>, ch. 12 [Jane] (1847) 
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		<title>Rogers, Will -- (Misattributed)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today. Widely attributed to Rogers, but I was unable to find it in any published primary source. That&#8217;s because it appears to have been said by a different Will Rogers. In The Pathfinder, &#8220;Art of Wisecracking Takes on [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do today.</p>
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<br><b>Will Rogers</b> (1879-1935) American humorist<br>(Misattributed) 
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Widely attributed to Rogers, but I was unable to find it in any published primary source. That's because it appears to have been said by a different Will Rogers.<br><br>

In <i>The Pathfinder</i>, "Art of Wisecracking Takes on New Significance," Issue 1866 (1929-10-05), the results of "<a href="https://archive.org/details/sim_town-journal_1929-10-05_36_1866/page/n1/mode/2up?q=%22never+expected+to+live%22">Wisecrack Contest</a>" among the weekly periodical's readers provides the following second place winner (earning it $10).<br><br>

<blockquote>Grandpa Wayback rises to remark: “I never expected to live to see the day when the girls would get sunburned on the places they do now.” Won by Will B. Rogers, Atlanta, Ga</blockquote><br>

That is <em>not</em> the famous Oklahoman humorist (William Penn Adair Rogers), though the latter is mentioned (along with Ring Lardner) in the text of the story as a famous wisecracker.<br><br>

This appears to be the origin of the quotation, and an explanation as to why it was quickly associated with the more famous figure by that name, an association that occurred very quickly when the Rogers from Georgia was forgotten.<br><br>

Variants (mostly attributed to Rogers):<br><br>

<blockquote>I never expected to see the day when the girls would get sunburned in the places they do now.<br>
[Albert Shaw, ed., <i><a href="<i>Review of Revews</i>, "Men, Women, and Books" (1935-02)">Review of Reviews</a></i> (1935-02)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they do.<br>
[P.G. Wodehouse & Guy Bolton, <em><a href="https://archive.org/details/bringongirlsimpr0000wode/page/138/mode/2up?q=sunburned">Bring on the Girls: The Improbable Story of Our Life in Musical Comedy</a></em> (1953)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Few men expected to see the day when women would get sunburned in the places they do now.<br>
[Louis T. Stanley, <i><a href="https://archive.org/details/londonseason012076mbp/page/n155/mode/2up?q=%22sunburned+in+the+places+they+do%22">The London Season</a></i>, "Feminine Wiles" (1956), used without attribution to Rogers]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I never expected to see the day when the girls would get sunburned in the places they do now.<br>
[John Birch Society, <i><a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/American_Opinion/oFkfAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22sunburned+in+the+places+they+do%22&dq=%22sunburned+in+the+places+they+do%22&printsec=frontcover">American Opinion</a></i>, Vol. 4 (1961)]</blockquote><br>
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		<title>Lamarr, Hedy -- (Attributed)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any girl can be glamorous. All you have to do is stand still and look stupid.</p>
<br><b>Hedy Lamarr</b> (1914-2000) Austrian-American film actress and inventor [b, Hedwig Eva Maria Kiesler]<br>(Attributed) 
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Quoted in Richard Schickel, <i>The Stars</i> (1962).
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		<title>Ellis, Havelock -- The Task of Social Hygiene (1912)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;Charm&#8221; &#8212; which means the power to effect work without employing brute force &#8212; is indispensable to women. Charm is a woman&#8217;s strength just as strength is a man&#8217;s charm.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Charm&#8221; &#8212; which means the power to effect work without employing brute force &#8212; is indispensable to women. Charm is a woman&#8217;s strength just as strength is a man&#8217;s charm.</p>
<br><b>Havelock Ellis</b> (1859-1939) British sexologist, physician, social reformer [Henry Havelock Ellis]<br><i>The Task of Social Hygiene</i> (1912) 
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		<title>Addison, Joseph -- Essay (1710-07-01), The Tatler, No. 192</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A cheerful temper, joined with innocence, will make beauty attractive, knowledge delightful, and wit good-natured.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A cheerful temper, joined with innocence, will make beauty attractive, knowledge delightful, and wit good-natured. </p>
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<br><b>Joseph Addison</b> (1672-1719) English essayist, poet, statesman<br>Essay (1710-07-01), <i>The Tatler</i>, No. 192 
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		<title>Howard, Robert E. -- Letter to Harold Preece (c. Dec 1928)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I could name all day, those women I deem great in Greece alone and the records would scarcely be complete. And what of Joan of Arc and Emma Goldman? Kate Richards O’Hare and Sarah Bernhardt? Katherine the Great and Elizabeth Barrett Browning? H.D. and Sara Teasdale? Isibella of Spain who pawned her gems that Columbus [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could name all day, those women I deem great in Greece alone and the records would scarcely be complete. And what of Joan of Arc and Emma Goldman? Kate Richards O’Hare and Sarah Bernhardt? Katherine the Great and Elizabeth Barrett Browning? H.D. and Sara Teasdale? Isibella of Spain who pawned her gems that Columbus might sail, and Edna St. Vincent Millay? And that queen, Marie, I think her name was, of some small province &#8212; Hungary I believe &#8212; who fought Prussia and Russia so long and so bitterly. And Rome &#8212; oh, the list is endless there, also &#8212; most of them were glorified harlots but better be a glorified harlot than a drab and moral drone, such as the text books teach us woman should be. Woman have always been the inspiration of men, and just as there are thousands of unknown great ones among men, there have been countless women whose names have never been blazoned across the stars, but who have inspired men on to glory. </p>
<br><b>Robert E. Howard</b> (1906-1936) American author<br>Letter to Harold Preece (c. Dec 1928) 
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		<title>Frost, Robert -- (Attributed)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A diplomat is a man who always remembers a woman&#8217;s birthday but never remembers her age.]]></description>
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<br><b>Robert Frost</b> (1874-1963) American poet<br>(Attributed) 
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		<title>LeBon, Gustave -- Revue d&#8217;Anthropologie (1879)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is a large number of women whose brains are closer in size to the gorillas than to the most developed male brains. This inferiority is so obvious that no one can contest it for a moment; only its degree is worth discussion. All psychologists who have studied the intelligence of women &#8230; recognize today [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a large number of women whose brains are closer in size to the gorillas than to the most developed male brains. This inferiority is so obvious that no one can contest it for a moment; only its degree is worth discussion. All psychologists who have studied the intelligence of women &#8230; recognize today that they represent the most inferior forms of human evolution, and that they are closer to children and savages than to an adult, civilized man. </p>
<br><b>Gustave LeBon</b> (1841-1931) German psychologist<br><i>Revue d&#8217;Anthropologie</i> (1879) 
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		<title>Sanger, Margaret -- &#8220;The Morality of Birth Control,&#8221; speech, Park Theatre, New York (18 Nov 1921)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[If we cannot trust woman with the knowledge of her own body, then I claim that two thousand years of Christian teaching has proved to be a failure.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we cannot trust woman with the knowledge of her own body, then I claim that two thousand years of Christian teaching has proved to be a failure.</p>
<br><b>Margaret Sanger</b> (1879-1966) American birth control activist, sex educator, nurse<br>&#8220;The Morality of Birth Control,&#8221; speech, Park Theatre, New York (18 Nov 1921) 
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		<title>Wilde, Oscar -- The Importance of Being Earnest, Act 3 (1895)</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2015 13:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LADY BRACKNELL: Thirty-five is a very attractive age. London society is full of women of the highest birth who have, of their own free choice, remained thirty-five for years. Lady Dumbleton is an instance in point. To my own knowledge she has been thirty-five ever since she arrived at the age of forty, which was [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">LADY BRACKNELL: Thirty-five is a very attractive age. London society is full of women of the highest birth who have, of their own free choice, remained thirty-five for years. Lady Dumbleton is an instance in point. To my own knowledge she has been thirty-five ever since she arrived at the age of forty, which was many years ago now. </p>
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<br><b>Oscar Wilde</b> (1854-1900) Irish poet, wit, dramatist<br><i>The Importance of Being Earnest</i>, Act 3 (1895) 
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		<title>Adams, Abigail -- Letter to John Thaxter (15 Feb 1778)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is really mortifying, sir, when a woman possessed of a common share of understanding considers the difference of education between the male and female sex, even in those families where education is attended to &#8230;. Nay, why should your sex wish for such a disparity in those whom they one day intend for companions [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is really mortifying, sir, when a woman possessed of a common share of understanding considers the difference of education between the male and female sex, even in those families where education is attended to &#8230;. Nay, why should your sex wish for such a disparity in those whom they one day intend for companions and associates. Pardon me, sir, if I cannot help sometimes suspecting that this neglect arises in some measure from an ungenerous jealousy of rivals near the throne.</p>
<br><b>Abigail Adams</b> (1744-1818) American correspondent, First Lady (1797-1801)<br>Letter to John Thaxter (15 Feb 1778) 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="tab">&#8220;The female mind is certainly a devious one, my lord.&#8221;<br />
<span class="tab">Vetinari looked at his secretary in surprise. &#8220;Well, of course it is. It has to deal with the male one.”</p>
<br><b>Terry Pratchett</b> (1948-2015) English author<br>Discworld No. 37, <i>Unseen Academicals</i> (2009) 
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		<title>Anthony, Susan B. -- Letter to the editor of &#8220;Sidepath&#8221; magazine (1898)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I stand and rejoice every time I see a woman ride by on a wheel. It gives her a feeling of freedom, self-reliance and independence. The moment she takes her seat she knows she can&#8217;t get into harm while she is on her bicycle, and away she goes, the picture of free, untrammeled womanhood.]]></description>
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<br><b>Susan B. Anthony</b> (1820-1906) American reformer, aboltionist, sufferagist<br>Letter to the editor of &#8220;Sidepath&#8221; magazine (1898) 
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		<title>Whedon, Joss -- Equality Now Tribute Address (15 May 2006)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>So, why do you write these strong female characters?</em></p>
<p>Because you’re still asking me that question.</p>
<br><b>Joss Whedon</b> (b. 1964) American screenwriter, author, producer [Joseph Hill Whedon]<br>Equality Now Tribute Address (15 May 2006) 
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		<description><![CDATA[There are a number of mechanical devices which increase sexual arousal, particularly in women. Chief among these is the Porsche 911 Cabriolet.]]></description>
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<br><b>P. J. O'Rourke</b> (b. 1947) American humorist, editor<br><i>Modern Manners</i> (1989 ed.) 
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		<title>Scalzi, John -- &#8220;Convention Harassment Policy Follow-Up,&#8221; blog entry (5 Jul 2013)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[If your flirting strategy is indistinguishable from harassment, it’s not everyone else that&#8217;s the problem.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your flirting strategy is indistinguishable from harassment, it’s not everyone <i>else</i> that&#8217;s the problem.</p>
<br><b>John Scalzi</b> (b. 1969) American writer<br>&#8220;Convention Harassment Policy Follow-Up,&#8221; blog entry (5 Jul 2013) 
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		<title>Johnson, Samuel -- Comment</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Men know that women are an over-match for them, and therefore they choose the weakest or most ignorant. If they did not think so, they never could be afraid of women knowing as much as themselves. In James Boswell, Tour to the Hebrides (1785).]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Men know that women are an over-match for them, and therefore they choose the weakest or most ignorant. If they did not think so, they never could be afraid of women knowing as much as themselves.</p>
<br><b>Samuel Johnson</b> (1709-1784) English writer, lexicographer, critic<br>Comment 
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						In James Boswell, <em>Tour to the Hebrides</em> (1785).
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		<title>Atwood, Margaret -- &#8220;Writing the Male Character,&#8221; Hagey Lecture, U. of Waterloo (9 Feb 1982)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;Why do men feel threatened by women?&#8221; I asked a male friend of mine. (I love that wonderful rhetorical device, &#8220;a male friend of mine.&#8221; It&#8217;s often used by female journalists when they want to say something particularly bitchy but don&#8217;t want to be held responsible for it themselves. It also lets people know that [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why do men feel threatened by women?&#8221; I asked a male friend of mine. (I love that wonderful rhetorical device, &#8220;a male friend of mine.&#8221; It&#8217;s often used by female journalists when they want to say something particularly bitchy but don&#8217;t want to be held responsible for it themselves. It also lets people know that you do have male friends, that you aren&#8217;t one of those fire-breathing mythical monsters, The Radical Feminists, who walk around with little pairs of scissors and kick men in the shins if they open doors for you. &#8220;A male friend of mine&#8221; also gives &#8212; let us admit it &#8212; a certain weight to the opinions expressed.) So this male friend of mine, who does by the way exist, conveniently entered into the following dialogue. &#8220;I mean,&#8221; I said, &#8220;men are bigger, most of the time, they can run faster, strangle better, and they have on the average a lot more money and power.&#8221; &#8220;They&#8217;re afraid women will laugh at them,&#8221; he said. &#8220;Undercut their world view.&#8221; Then I asked some women students in a quickie poetry seminar I was giving, &#8220;Why do women feel threatened by men?&#8221; &#8220;They&#8217;re afraid of being killed,&#8221; they said.</p>
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<br><b>Margaret Atwood</b> (b. 1939) Canadian writer, literary critic, environmental activist<br>&#8220;Writing the Male Character,&#8221; Hagey Lecture, U. of Waterloo (9 Feb 1982) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Second_Words/NtB8oW9kXNYC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=atwood%20%22pairs%20of%20scissors%22&pg=PA413&printsec=frontcover&bsq=atwood%20%22pairs%20of%20scissors%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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Published in a revised version as "Writing the Male Character," <i>Second Words: Selected Critical Prose, 1960-1982</i> (1983).<br><br>
Usually paraphrased, "Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them."						</span>
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		<title>Wendig, Chuck -- &#8220;Burning the MRA Playbook,&#8221; Terrible Minds blog (29 May 2014)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I have noted in the past, vaginas are like, a thousand times tougher than testicles. Those ladyparts are basically tough as tractor tires. Our balls are as tough as tissue paper. We get flicked in the nuts by a badminton birdie we’ll double over for twenty minutes, moaning and rocking back and forth. Our [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I have noted in the past, vaginas are like, a thousand times tougher than testicles. Those ladyparts are basically tough as tractor tires. Our balls are as tough as tissue paper. We get flicked in the nuts by a badminton birdie we’ll double over for twenty minutes, moaning and rocking back and forth. Our balls are like little yarn-bundles contained in a thin, wifty sack of outlying flesh. They unspool like bobbins of delicate thread when damaged. Women on the other hand push <em>entire people</em> out of their lady-realms like <em>divine fucking beings</em>. So, maybe that vagina-analog isn’t the best insult, misogynist dudes. Kay? Kay.</p>
<br><b>Chuck Wendig</b> (b. 1976) American novelist, screenwriter, game designer, blogger<br>&#8220;Burning the MRA Playbook,&#8221; <i>Terrible Minds</i> blog (29 May 2014) 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="http://terribleminds.com/ramble/2014/05/29/burning-the-mra-playbook-or-yesallmras/" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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						On men using references to female genitalia as insults.						</span>
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		<title>Woolf, Virginia -- A Room of One’s Own, ch. 3 (1929)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would venture to guess that Anon, who wrote so many poems without signing them, was often a woman.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would venture to guess that Anon, who wrote so many poems without signing them, was often a woman.</p>
<br><b>Virginia Woolf</b> (1882-1941) English modernist writer [b. Adeline Virginia Stephen]<br><i>A Room of One’s Own</i>, ch. 3 (1929) 
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		<title>Butcher, Jim -- Storm Front (2000)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe my values are outdated, but I come from an old school of thought. I think that men ought to treat women like something other than just shorter, weaker men with breasts. Try and convict me if I&#8217;m a bad person for thinking so. I enjoy treating a woman like a lady, opening doors for [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe my values are outdated, but I come from an old school of thought. I think that men ought to treat women like something other than just shorter, weaker men with breasts. Try and convict me if I&#8217;m a bad person for thinking so. I enjoy treating a woman like a lady, opening doors for her, paying for shared meals, giving flowers &#8212; all that sort of thing.</p>
<br><b>Jim Butcher</b> (b. 1971) American author<br><i>Storm Front</i> (2000) 
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		<title>Schulman, Tom -- Dead Poets Society (1989)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[KEATING: Now, language was developed for one endeavor, and that is? Mr. Anderson? Come on! Are you a man or an amoeba? Mr. Perry? NEIL: Uh, to communicate. KEATING: No! To woo women!]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KEATING: Now, language was developed for one endeavor, and that is? Mr. Anderson? Come on! Are you a man or an amoeba? Mr. Perry?<br />
NEIL: Uh, to communicate.<br />
KEATING: No! To woo women!</p>
<br><b>Tom Schulman</b> (b. 1951) American screenwriter, director<br><i>Dead Poets Society</i> (1989) 
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		<title>Stout, Rex -- The Father Hunt, ch. 8 [Wolfe] (1968)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Women are random clusters of vagaries.</p>
<br><b>Rex Stout</b> (1886-1975) American writer<br><i>The Father Hunt</i>, ch. 8 [Wolfe] (1968) 
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		<description><![CDATA[I had first noticed her in the lobby of the Churchill, because she rated a glance as a matter of principle &#8212; the principle that a man owes it to his eyes to let them rest on attractive objects when there are any around.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had first noticed her in the lobby of the Churchill, because she rated a glance as a matter of principle &#8212; the principle that a man owes it to his eyes to let them rest on attractive objects when there are any around.</p>
<br><b>Rex Stout</b> (1886-1975) American writer<br>&#8220;Frame-Up for Murder,&#8221; ch. 1 [Archie] (1958) 
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		<description><![CDATA[And not a girl goes walking Along the Cotswold lanes But knows men&#8217;s eyes in April Are quicker than their brains.]]></description>
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Along the Cotswold lanes<br />
But knows men&#8217;s eyes in April<br />
Are quicker than their brains.</p>
<br><b>John Drinkwater</b> (1882-1937) English poet and dramatist<br>&#8220;Cotswald Love&#8221; 
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		<title>Aristotle -- Politics [Πολιτικά], Book  1, ch.  5 / 1254b [tr. B. Jowett (1885)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Again, the male is by nature superior, and the female inferior; and the one rules, and the other is ruled; this principle, of necessity, extends to all mankind. Aristotle is arguing that there is a natural distinction between the rulers and ruled, starting first with animals, then with sex. Alternate translations: &#8220;Again, the relation of [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, the male is by nature superior, and the female inferior; and the one rules, and the other is ruled; this principle, of necessity, extends to all mankind.</p>
<br><b>Aristotle</b> (384-322 BC) Greek philosopher<br><i>Politics [Πολιτικά]</i>, Book  1, ch.  5 / 1254b [tr. B. Jowett (1885)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="http://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/politics.1.one.html#:~:text=.%20Again%2C%20the%20male%20is%20by,of%20necessity%2C%20extends%20to%20all%20mankind." target="_blank">Source</a>)
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Aristotle is arguing that there is a natural distinction between the rulers and ruled, starting first with animals, then with sex. Alternate translations:<ul>
	<li>"Again, the relation of male to female is naturally that of superior and inferior, ruling and ruled, and the same kind of relation must necessarily exist in the case of all men generally." [tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Aristotle_s_Politics/NvZCAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA121&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22relation%20of%20male%20to%20female%22">Bolland</a> (1877)]</li>
	<li>"So is it naturally with the male and the female; the one is superior, the other inferior; the one governs, the other is governed; and the same rule must necessarily hold good with respect to all mankind." [tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Politics_(Ellis)/Book_1#CHAPTER_V:~:text=so%20is%20it%20naturally%20with%20the,good%20with%20respect%20to%20all%20mankind.">Ellis</a> (1912)]</li>
	<li>"Again, as between the sexes, the male is by nature superior and the female inferior, the male ruler and the female subject. And the same must also necessarily apply in the case of mankind as a whole." [tr. <a href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0058%3Abook%3D1%3Asection%3D1254b#text_main:~:text=Again%2C%20as%20between%20the%20sexes%2C%20the,case%20of%20mankind%20as%20a%20whole">Rackham</a> (1932)]</li>
	<li>"Further, the relation of male to female is by nature a relation of superior to inferior and ruler to ruled. The same must of necessity hold in the case of human being generally."
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Aristotle_s_Politics/DJP44GomyNoC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PP1&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22relation%20of%20male%20to%20female%22">Lord</a> (1984)]</li>
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		<title>Butcher, Jim -- Changes, ch. 9 (2010)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan smiled at me, giving Molly the Female Once-Over &#8212; a process by which one woman creates a detailed profile of another woman based upon about a million subtle details of clothing, jewelry, makeup, and body type, and then decides how much of a social threat she might be. Men have a parallel process, but it&#8217;s binary: Does he have beer? If yes, will he share with me?</p>
<br><b>Jim Butcher</b> (b. 1971) American author<br><i>Changes</i>, ch. 9 (2010) 
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		<title>Shaw, George Bernard -- The Intelligent Woman&#8217;s Guide to Socialism, Capitalism, Sovietism, and Fascism, ch. 79 (1928)</title>
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<br><b>George Bernard Shaw</b> (1856-1950) Irish playwright and critic<br><i>The Intelligent Woman&#8217;s Guide to Socialism, Capitalism, Sovietism, and Fascism</i>, ch. 79 (1928) 
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		<title>Johnson, Lyndon -- Speech (1962-06-05), Commencement, National Cathedral School for Girls, Washington, D.C.</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[We live amid falling taboos. In our crowded little hour of history we have seen how the prejudice of religion no longer can bar the way to the White House. Some of you may live to see the day when the prejudice of sex no longer places the Presidency beyond the reach of a greatly [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We live amid falling taboos. In our crowded little hour of history we have seen how the prejudice of religion no longer can bar the way to the White House. Some of you may live to see the day when the prejudice of sex no longer places the Presidency beyond the reach of a greatly gifted American lady. Long before them, I hope you will see a woman member of the Supreme Court of the United States. In Congress and in our State Legislatures we need more women to bring their sensitive experience to the shaping of our decisions.</p>
<br><b>Lyndon B. Johnson</b> (1908-1973) American politician, educator, US President (1963-69)<br>Speech (1962-06-05), Commencement, National Cathedral School for Girls, Washington, D.C. 
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Speaking on the occasion of his daughter, Linda Bird Johnson, graduating. Entered into the Congressional Record on 6 June.  (He would similarly speak there at the graduation of his other daughter, Luci Baines Johnson (1965-06-01)).

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		<title>Luther, Martin -- (Attributed)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who loves not wine, women, and song<br />
Remains a fool his whole life long.</p>
<p><em>[Wer nicht liebt Weib, Wein und Gesang,<br />
A Der bleibt ein Narr sein Leben lang.]</em></p>
<br><b>Martin Luther</b> (1483-1546) German priest, theologian, writer, religious reformer<br>(Attributed) 
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Attributed in Matthias Claudius, <i>Der Wandsbecker Bothe</i> (1775). Inscription in the Luther Room, Wartburg, Germany.
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		<title>Virgil -- The Aeneid [Ænē̆is], Book  4, l. 569ff (4.469-570) [Mercury] (29-19 BC) [tr. Cranch (1872)]</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A woman is a fickle, changeful thing!</p>
<p><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><em>[Varium et mutabile semper<br />
femina.]</em></span></span></span></span></p>
<br><b>Virgil</b> (70-19 BC) Roman poet [b. Publius Vergilius Maro; also Vergil]<br><i>The Aeneid [Ænē̆is]</i>, Book  4, l. 569ff (4.469-570) [Mercury] (29-19 BC) [tr. Cranch (1872)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://archive.org/details/aeneidvirgiltra00crangoog/page/n147/mode/2up?q=%22A+woman+is+a+fickle%2C+changeful+thing+I%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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Warning Aeneas that Dido is likely to attack Aeneas' forces now that she knows he is deserting her.<br><br>

(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0055%3Abook%3D4%3Acard%3D553#:~:text=Varium%20et%20mutabile,femina.">Source (Latin)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>



<blockquote>Still inconstant is a womans minde.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo2/A65106.0001.001/1:6.4?rgn=div2;view=fulltext#:~:text=still%20inconstant%20is%20a%20womans%20minde.">Ogilby</a> (1649)]</blockquote><br>




<blockquote>Who knows what hazards thy delay may bring?<br>
Woman's a various and a changeful thing.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Works_of_Virgil_(Dryden)/Aeneid/Book_IV#:~:text=Who%20knows%20what%20hazards%20thy%20delay%20may%20bring%3F%0AWoman%27s%20a%20various%20and%20a%20changeful%20thing.">Dryden</a> (1697)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Woman is a fickle and ever changeable creature.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Works_of_Virgil/GuFCAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA103">Davidson/Buckley</a> (1854)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Away to sea! a woman's will<br>
Is changeful and uncertain still.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Aeneid_(Conington_1866)/Book_4#:~:text=Away%20to%20sea!%20a%20woman%27s%20will%0AIs%20changeful%20and%20uncertain%20still.">Conington</a> (1866)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Woman is ever a fickle and changing thing.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/22456/pg22456-images.html#BOOK_FOURTH:~:text=Woman%20is%20ever%20a%20fickle%20and%20changing%20thing.">Mackail</a> (1885)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>For woman's heart is shifting evermore.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/29358/pg29358-images.html#BOOK_IV:~:text=Up!%20tarry%20not!%20for%20woman%27s%20heart%20is%20shifting%20evermore.">Morris</a> (1900)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Away!<br>
Changeful is woman's mood, and varying with the day.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/18466/pg18466-images.html#book4line514:~:text=Changeful%20is%20woman%27s%20mood%2C%20and%20varying%20with%20the%20day.">Taylor</a> (1907), st. 73]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab">A mutable and shifting thing<br>
is woman ever.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0054%3Abook%3D4%3Acard%3D553#:~:text=A%20mutable%20and%20shifting%20thing%0Ais%20woman%20ever.">Williams</a> (1910)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>A fickle and changeful thing is woman ever.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/L063NVirgilIEcloguesGeorgicsAeneid16/page/n443/mode/2up?q=%22A+fickle+and+changeful%22">Fairclough</a> (1916)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">A shifty, fickle object<br>
Is woman, always.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/61596/pg61596-images.html#BOOK_IV:~:text=A%20shifty%2C%20fickle,Is%20woman%2C%20always.">Humphries</a> (1951)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Woman was ever <br>
A veering, weathercock creature.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/aenei00virg/page/98/mode/2up?q=weathercock">Day-Lewis</a> (1952)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">An ever<br>
uncertain and inconsistent thing is woman.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/aeneidofvirgil100virg/page/100/mode/2up?q=inconstant">Mandelbaum</a> (1971), l. 786-87]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Woman's a thing<br>
Forever fitful and forever changing.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/aeneid00virg/page/116/mode/2up?q=fitful">Fitzgerald</a> (1981)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Women are unstable creatures, always changing.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/aeneidvirg00virg/page/98/mode/2up?q=%22always+changing%22">West</a> (1990)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Woman is ever fickle and changeable.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Latin/VirgilAeneidIV.php#anchor_Toc342030:~:text=Woman%20is%20ever%20fickle%20and%20changeable.">Kline</a> (2002)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>A woman is a fickle and worrisome thing.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Essential_Aeneid/y8pgDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22woman%20is%22">Lombardo</a> (2005)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Woman’s a thing<br>
that’s always changing, shifting like the wind.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Aeneid/okrFGPoJb6cC?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22woman's%20a%20thing%22">Fagles</a> (2006), l. 710-11]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Females are a fickle thing, always prone to change.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Aeneid/FioVEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover&bsq=female%20blended">Bartsch</a> (2021)]</blockquote><br>

See also:<br>
<ul>
	<li>"My lord, you know what Virgil sings -- Woman is various and most mutable." <br>
[<a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/9176/9176-h/9176-h.htm#:~:text=RENARD.%20Ay%2C%20but%2C%20my%20Lord%2C%20you%20know%20what%20Virgil%20sings%2C%0A%20%20%20%20%20Woman%20is%20various%20and%20most%20mutable.">Tennyson</a>, <em>Queen Mary,</em> Act 3, sc. 6 (1875)]</li><br>
	<li>"La donna è mobile." <br>
[<a href="https://www.opera-arias.com/verdi/rigoletto/la-donna-e-mobile/#:~:text=DUCA-,La%20donna%20%C3%A8%20mobile,-Qual%20piuma%20al">Verdi</a>, <em>Rigoletto</em> (1851)]</li>
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		<title>Jerome, Jerome K. -- Idle Thoughts of an Idle Fellow, &#8220;On Vanity and Vanities&#8221; (1886)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All is vanity and everybody&#8217;s vain. Women are terribly vain. So are men &#8212; more so, if possible.</p>
<br><b>Jerome K. Jerome</b> (1859-1927) English writer, humorist [Jerome Klapka Jerome]<br><i>Idle Thoughts of an Idle Fellow</i>, &#8220;On Vanity and Vanities&#8221; (1886) 
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		<description><![CDATA[POLYMESTOR: What need For talk? The sum of all the infamies The tongues of men, past, present, and to come, Ascribe to woman, I&#8217;ll endorse, and say There&#8217;s no such monster bred on land or sea; And none has dealings with their kind, but know it. ΠΟΛΥΜΉΣΤΩΡ: [ὡς δὲ μὴ μακροὺς τείνω λόγους, εἴ τις [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">POLYMESTOR: <span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">What need<br />
For talk? The sum of all the infamies<br />
The tongues of men, past, present, and to come,<br />
Ascribe to woman, I&#8217;ll endorse, and say<br />
There&#8217;s no such monster bred on land or sea;<br />
And none has dealings with their kind, but know it.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
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<p class="hangingindent">ΠΟΛΥΜΉΣΤΩΡ: [ὡς δὲ μὴ μακροὺς τείνω λόγους,<br />
εἴ τις γυναῖκας τῶν πρὶν εἴρηκεν κακῶς<br />
ἢ νῦν λέγων ἔστιν τις ἢ μέλλει λέγειν,<br />
1180ἅπαντα ταῦτα συντεμὼν ἐγὼ φράσω:<br />
γένος γὰρ οὔτε πόντος οὔτε γῆ τρέφει<br />
τοιόνδ᾽: ὁ δ᾽ αἰεὶ ξυντυχὼν ἐπίσταται.]</p>
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<br><b>Euripides</b> (485?-406? BC) Greek tragic dramatist<br><i>Hecuba</i> [Hekabe; Ἑκάβη], l. 1177ff (c. 424 BC) [tr. Sheppard (1924)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.$b290571&seq=60&q1=%22sum+of+all+the+infamies%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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King Polymestor -- who murdered Priam and Hecuba's youngest son, Polydorus, with him for safekeeping, in order to steal the Trojan treasury also entrusted to him -- complaining to Agamemnon about how Hecuba and the Trojan Women, out of revenge, killed <i>his</i> sons in turn and blinded him.<br><br>

(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0097%3Acard%3D1145#:~:text=%E1%BD%A1%CF%82%20%CE%B4%E1%BD%B2%20%CE%BC%E1%BD%B4,%CE%BE%CF%85%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%85%CF%87%E1%BD%BC%CE%BD%20%E1%BC%90%CF%80%CE%AF%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B1%CF%84%CE%B1%CE%B9.">Source (Greek)</a>). Alternate translations: <br><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">To spare a long harangue.<br>
The whole of what 'gainst woman hath been said<br>
By those of antient times, is saying now.<br>
Or shall be said hereafter, in few words<br>
Will I comprise; nor ocean's waves, nor earth,<br>
Nurture so vile a race, as he who most<br>
Hath with the sex conversed, but knows too well.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/nineteentragedi01wodhgoog/page/52/mode/2up?q=%22spare+along+harangue%22">Wodhull</a> (1809)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But that I may not extend my speech to a greater length, if any one of those of ancient times hath reviled women, or if any one doth now, or shall hereafter revile them, I will comprise the whole when I say, that such a race neither doth the sea nor the earth produce, but he who is always with them knows it best.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://topostext.org/work/38#:~:text=But%20that%20I,knows%20it%20best.">Edwards</a> (1826)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">To be brief,<br> 
If any in past times with severe taunts <br>
Have censured women, if now any vents <br>
His obloquies, or shall hereafter vent, <br>
In one brief sentence I comprise the whole, <br>
It is a breed, not all th’ extended earth, <br>
Nor the sea’s ample depths produce the like; <br>
This truth he feels the most who knows them best.<br>
[ed. <a href="https://archive.org/details/beautifulthough02unkngoog/page/124/mode/2up?q=%22If+any+in+past+times%22">Ramage</a> (1864)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Wherefore needeth many words?<br>
Whoso ere now hath spoken ill of women,<br>
Or speaketh now, or shall hereafter speak,<br>
All this in one word will I close and say: --<br>
Nor sea nor land doth nurture such a breed:<br>
He knoweth, who hath converse with them most.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Tragedies_of_Euripides_(Way)/Hecuba#:~:text=Wherefore%20needeth%20many,with%20them%20most.">Way</a> (Loeb) (1894)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But to spare you a lengthy speech, if any of the men of former times have spoken ill of women, if any does so now, or shall do so hereafter, I will say all this in one short sentence; for neither land or sea produces such a race, as whoever has had to do with them knows.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0098%3Acard%3D1145#:~:text=But%20to%20spare%20you%20a%20lengthy%20speech%2C%20if%20any%20of%20the%20men%20of%20former%20times%20have%20spoken%20ill%20of%20women%2C%20if%20any%20does%20so%20now%2C%20or%20shall%20do%20so%20hereafter%2C%20%5B1180%5D%20I%20will%20say%20all%20this%20in%20one%20short%20sentence%3B%20for%20neither%20land%20or%20sea%20produces%20such%20a%20race%2C%20as%20whoever%20has%20had%20to%20do%20with%20them%20knows.">Coleridge</a> (1938)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">On behalf of all those dead<br>
who learned their hatred of women long ago,<br>
for those who hate them now, for those unborn<br>
who shall live to hate them yet, I now declare<br>
my firm conviction: <br>
<span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">neither earth nor ocean<br>
produces a creature as savage and monstrous<br>
as woman.<br>
<span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">This is my experience. <br>
I know that this is true.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/euripidesiiihecu00euri/page/66/mode/2up?q=%22on+behalf+of+all+those%22">Arrowsmith</a> (1958)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I'll say no more than this:<br>
The old saying is true now<br>
As ever was and will be. <br>
They are a breed apart<br>
On earth and on sea. <br>
Any man in a woman's power<br>
He knows that in his bones.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hecuba/mRZLAQAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22ill%20say%20%20no%20more%20than%20this%22">McGuinness</a> (2004)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Not to go on too long, if any man in the past, the present or the future said bad things about women, let me top them all and say: sea or land breeds nothing worse. Even a brief encounter proves it true.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hecuba/94JBBAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22not%20to%20go%20on%22">Harrison</a> (2005)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But let me spare you the many words: If any of the men from olden days or if any of them now, or in the future, will utter ill words against women, let me put all those words in one short sentence: Neither land nor sea produces such a race and whoever had any dealings with them knows this very well.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://bacchicstage.wordpress.com/euripides/hekabe-aka-hecuba/#:~:text=But%20let%20me%20spare%20you%20the%20many%20words%3A%20If%20any%20of%20the%20men%20from%20olden%20days%20or%20if%20any%20of%20them%20now%2C%20or%20in%20the%20future%2C%20will%20utter%20ill%20words%20against%20women%2C%20let%20me%20put%20all%20those%20words%20in%20one%20short%20sentence%3A%20Neither%20land%20nor%20sea%20produces%20such%20a%20race%20and%20whoever%20had%20any%20dealings%20with%20them%20knows%20this%20very%20well.">Theodoridis</a> (2007)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let me tell you, if anyone in the past has spoken<br>
ill of women, or speaks so now or will speak so<br>
in the future, I’ll sum it up for him: Neither sea<br>
nor land has ever produced a more monstrous<br>
creature than woman. I say this for a fact.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.didaskalia.net/issues/8/32/HecubaKardanStreet.pdf#page=36">Karden/Street</a> (2011)]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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<br><b>Thomas Fuller</b> (1654-1734) English physician, preacher, aphorist, writer<br><i>Gnomologia: Adages and Proverbs</i> (compiler), # 5805 (1732) 
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		<description><![CDATA[I want to make a policy statement. I am unabashedly in favor of women. Preceding announcing his appointment of ten women to top administration posts. He further commented, after listing them: This should, with the announcements that have preceded this one, and the ones that will follow this one, serve notice that this administration is [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to make a policy statement. I am unabashedly in favor of women.</p>
<br><b>Lyndon B. Johnson</b> (1908-1973) American politician, educator, US President (1963-69)<br>Speech (1964-03-04), Eleanor Roosevelt Award to Anna Kross 
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Preceding announcing his appointment of ten women to top administration posts. He further commented, after listing them:<br><br>

<blockquote>This should, with the announcements that have preceded this one, and the ones that will follow this one, serve notice that this administration is not running a stag party.</blockquote><br>


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The word &#8220;idiot&#8221; comes from a Greek root meaning private person. Idiocy is the female defect: intent on their private lives, women follow their fate through a darkness deep as that cast by malformed cells in the brain. It is no worse than the male defect, which is lunacy: men are so obsessed by public affairs that they see the world as by moonlight, which shows the outlines of every object but not the details indicative of their nature.</p>
<br><b>Rebecca West</b> (1892-1983) British author, journalist, literary critic,  travel writer [pseud. for Cicily Isabel Fairfield]<br><i>Black Lamb and Grey Falcon</i>, Prologue (1941) 
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Sometimes oddly paraphrased, "The main difference between men and women is that men are lunatics and women are idiots."
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<br><b>Plutarch</b> (AD 46-127) Greek historian, biographer, essayist [Mestrius Plutarchos]<br><i>Morals [Moralia],</i> &#8220;Conjugal Precepts&#8221; #46 
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Alt. trans.: "All women are alike when the lamp is put out."


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		<title>Mill, John Stuart -- The Subjection of Women, ch. 1 (1869)</title>
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<br><b>John Stuart Mill</b> (1806-1873) English philosopher and economist<br><i>The Subjection of Women</i>, ch. 1 (1869) 
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