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		<title>Luther, Martin -- Table Talk [Colloquia Mensalia], ch. 2 (1566) [tr. Bell]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[For, where God built a church, there the devil would also build a chapel. See Herbert, who identifies it as a common phrase.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For, where God built a church, there the devil would also build a chapel. </p>
<br><b>Martin Luther</b> (1483-1546) German priest, theologian, writer, religious reformer<br><i>Table Talk [Colloquia Mensalia]</i>, ch. 2 (1566) [tr. Bell] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=xdlNAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA66&lpg=PA66&dq=martin+luther+%22devil+would+also+build+a+chapel%22&source=bl&ots=O_10GJFist&sig=RZHmzwne-g7WHjVjc4g77D9EqB0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiMnoLO28_TAhVVImMKHTh2BaM4ChDoAQg6MAg#v=onepage&q=martin%20luther%20%22devil%20would%20also%20build%20a%20chapel%22&f=false" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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See <a href="https://wist.info/herbert-george/11193/">Herbert</a>, who identifies it as a common phrase.						</span>
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		<title>Horace -- Satires [Saturae, Sermones], Book 1, #  9 &#8220;Ibam forte Via Sacra,&#8221; l.  56ff (1.9.56-60) (35 BC) [tr. Howes (1845)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[If that&#8217;s his humour, trust me, I shall spare No kind of pains to win admittance there: I&#8217;ll bribe his porter; if denied to-day, I&#8217;ll not desist, but try some other way: I&#8217;ll watch occasions &#8212; linger in his suite, Waylay, salute, huzzah him through the street. Nothing of consequence beneath the sun Without great [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If that&#8217;s his humour, trust me, I shall spare<br />
No kind of pains to win admittance there:<br />
I&#8217;ll bribe his porter; if denied to-day,<br />
I&#8217;ll not desist, but try some other way:<br />
I&#8217;ll watch occasions &#8212; linger in his suite,<br />
Waylay, salute, huzzah him through the street.<br />
Nothing of consequence beneath the sun<br />
Without great labour ever yet was done.</p>
<p><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><em>[Haud mihi dero:<br />
muneribus servos corrumpam; non, hodie si<br />
exclusus fuero, desistam; tempora quaeram,<br />
occurram in triviis, deducam. Nil sine magno<br />
vita labore dedit mortalibus]</em></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<br><b>Horace</b> (65–8 BC) Roman poet, satirist, soldier, politician [Quintus Horatius Flaccus]<br><i>Satires [Saturae, Sermones]</i>, Book 1, #  9 <i>&#8220;Ibam forte Via Sacra,&#8221;</i> l.  56ff (1.9.56-60) (35 BC) [tr. Howes (1845)] 
									<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Epodes_Satires_and_Epistles_of_Horac/TPgDAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22his%20humour%2C%20trust%22" target="_blank">Source</a>)
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A pesky bore and would-be social climber, describing his determination to wheedle his way into the social circle of Horace's friend, Maecenas.<br><br>

The last line was an old saying, found at least as early as Hesiod, <i>Works and Days</i>, l. 287 (c. 700 BC).<br><br>

(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0062%3Abook%3D1%3Apoem%3D9#:~:text=haud%20mihi%20dero%3A,vita%20labore%20dedit%20mortalibus">Source (Latin)</a>). Alternate translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>I will not fayle. Brybes shall corrupte his chéefist serving men:<br>
Though once or twice the gates be shut I will not cease yet then:<br>
Ile wayte my opportunitie, to meete him in the ways,<br>
To leade him home, to curtsey him, and cap him when he stayes.<br>
There is no good for to be borne, whilste we are lyuyng here:<br>
Excepte we lye, faune, flatter, face, cap, keele, ducke, crouche, smile, fiere.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A03670.0001.001/1:9.9?rgn=div2;view=fulltext#:~:text=I%20will%20not,crouche%2C%20smile%2C%20fiere.">Drant</a> (1567)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Well, to my self I will not wanting be,<br>
I'le watch his hours, his servants I will see;<br>
I will salute his Chariot in the street,<br>
I'le bring him home as often as we meet:<br>
We Courtiers strive for interest in vain,<br>
Unless by long observance it we gain.<br>
[ed. <a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?cc=eebo;c=eebo;idno=a44478.0001.001;node=A44478.0001.001:7;seq=1;rgn=div1;view=text#:~:text=Well%2C%20to%20my,it%20we%20gain.">Brome</a> (1666)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Well, when Occasion serves, I'le play my part,<br>
I'le spare no cost and charge, try every Art,<br>
Hang on his Coach, wait on him, all I can,<br>
Bribe, Flatter, Cringe, but I'me resolv'd to gain,<br>
'Tis only Labour, Sir, can raise a Man.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?cc=eebo;c=eebo;idno=a44471.0001.001;node=A44471.0001.001:7;seq=1;rgn=div1;view=text#:~:text=Well%2C%20when%20Occasion,raise%20a%20Man.">Creech</a> (1684)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>"I sha'n't be wanting there," he cried, <br>
"I'll bribe his servants to my side; <br>
To-day shut out, still onward press, <br>
And watch the seasons of access;<br>
In private haunt, in public meet, <br>
Salute, escort him through the street. <br>
There's nothing gotten in this life, <br>
Without a world of toil and strife."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/satiresepistlesi00hora/page/66/mode/2up?q=%22be+wanting+there%22">Francis</a> (1747)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I will not be wanting to myself; I will corrupt his servants with presents; if I am excluded to-day, I will not desist; I will seek opportunities; I will meet him in the public streets; I will wait upon him home. Life allows nothing to mortals without great labor.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Hor.+S.+1.9&fromdoc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0063#:~:text=I%20will%20not%20be%20wanting%20to%20myself%3B%20I%20will%20corrupt%20his%20servants%20with%20presents%3B%20if%20I%20am%20excluded%20to%2Dday%2C%20I%20will%20not%20desist%3B%20I%20will%20seek%20opportunities%3B%20I%20will%20meet%20him%20in%20the%20public%20streets%3B%20I%20will%20wait%20upon%20him%20home.%20Life%20allows%20nothing%20to%20mortals%20without%20great%20labor.">Smart/Buckley</a> (1853)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Oh, I shall do my duty, I will bribe his slaves, I won't give up. If on the day on which I call, he says he's not at home, I'll choose my times, I'll meet him at the crossings of the streets, nay, I'll escort him home; you know life gives man nought without some toil.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/satiresofhoracei00hora/page/58/mode/2up?q=%22I+shall+do+my+duty%22">Millington</a> (1870)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No fear of me, sir: a judicious bribe<br>
Will work a wonder with the menial tribe:<br>
Say, I'm refused admittance for to-day;<br>
I'll watch my time; I'll meet him in the way,<br>
Escort him, dog him. In this world of ours<br>
The path to what we want ne'er runs on flowers.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Satires,_Epistles_%26_Art_of_Poetry_of_Horace/Sat1-9#:~:text=No%20fear%20of,runs%20on%20flowers">Conington</a> (1874)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I'll not fail myself. I'll bribe his slaves. If shut out to-day, I'll not give up. I'll look for the fitting time ; I'll meet him in the streets; I'll escort him home. Life grants no boon to man without much toil.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/satiresepistlesa00horauoft/page/108/mode/2up?q=%22I%27ll+not+fail+myself%22">Fairclough</a> (Loeb) (1926)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">I bet I don't fail.<br>
I'll bribe all his servants. I'll keep coming back, pick my times,<br>
Meet him walking in town, join his escort. Nothing<br>
In life comes without labor.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/satiresanndepist0000hora/page/74/mode/2up?q=%22i+bet+i+don%27t+fail%22">Palmer Bovie</a> (1959)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">I’m confident. <br>
I'll bribe his servants. And if today, for example, I’m <br>
repulsed, I won't quit. I'll find a chance, bump into him <br>
in public, walk places with him; without great labor <br>
life gives us mortals naught.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/horacessatiresep0000hora/page/20/mode/2up?q=%22bribe+his+servants%22">Fuchs</a> (1977)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I'll do it, I'll do it! By god, I'll bribe<br>
His slaves, I'll never give up, I'll get <br>
My foot in his door, somehow. I'll watch,<br>
I'll wait, I'll catch him in the street,<br>
I'll follow him home. Nothing worth doing<br>
Is easy, here on earth!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/essentialhoraceo0000hora/page/158/mode/2up?q=%22i%27ll+bribe%22">Raffel</a> (1983)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>O I won't spare myself. I'll bribe his slaves.<br>
Should I be kept out, I won't quit.<br>
I'll keep my eye open for the right moment.<br>
I'll run into him at some street-crossing.<br>
I'll escort him home. Without great toil<br>
life grants nothing to mortals.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/completeodessati0000hora/page/236/mode/2up?q=%22bribe+his+slaves%22">Alexander</a> (1999)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I'm on the case. I'll bribe his slaves. If I'm <br>
repelled today, I won't give up, I'll wait<br>
for the right time and meet him in the streets<br>
and then escort him home.<br>
<span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Life grants no man a prize<br>
<span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">who doesn't strive and strive.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/satiresofhorace0000hora_r9g5/page/44/mode/2up?q=%22on+the+case%22">Matthews</a> (2002)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">I shan't be found wanting.<br>
I'll bribe his servants; and if today they shut me out,<br>
I'll persevere, bide my time, meet him in the street,<br>
escort him home. "Not without unremitting toil<br>
are mortal prizes won."<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/satiresofhoracep00hora/page/34/mode/2up?q=%22be+found+wanting+i%27ll%22">Rudd</a> (2005 ed.)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">I’ll not fail:<br>
I’ll bribe his servants with gifts: if I’m excluded<br>
Today, I’ll persist: I’ll search out a suitable time,<br>
Encounter him in the street, escort him home. Life grants<br>
Nothing to mortals without a great effort.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Latin/HoraceSatiresBkISatIX.php#anchor_Toc98155552:~:text=I%E2%80%99ll%20not%20fail,a%20great%20effort.">Kline</a> (2015)]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Herbert, George -- Jacula Prudentum, or Outlandish Proverbs, Sentences, &#038;c. (compiler), #  674 (1640 ed.)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[No sooner is a Temple built to God but the Devill builds a Chappell hard by. See also Martin Luther.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No sooner is a Temple built to God but the Devill builds a Chappell hard by.</p>
<br><b>George Herbert</b> (1593-1633) Welsh priest, orator, poet.<br><i>Jacula Prudentum, or Outlandish Proverbs, Sentences, &#038;c.</i> (compiler), #  674 (1640 ed.) 
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See also <a href="https://wist.info/luther-martin/36890/">Martin Luther</a>.						</span>
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