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		<title>More, Thomas -- Utopia, Book 1, ch. 1 &#8220;Discourses of Raphael Hythloday&#8221;  (1518 ed.) [tr. Adams (1992 ed.)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[But doubtless Plato was right in foreseeing that unless kings became philosophical themselves, they would never take the advice of real philosophers, drenched as they are and infected with false values from boyhood on. [Sed bene haud dubie praeuidit Plato, nisi reges philosophentur ipsi, nunquam futurum, ut peruersis opinionibus a pueris imbuti, atque infecti penitus [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But doubtless Plato was right in foreseeing that unless kings became philosophical themselves, they would never take the advice of real philosophers, drenched as they are and infected with false values from boyhood on. </p>
<p><em>[Sed bene haud dubie praeuidit Plato, nisi reges philosophentur ipsi, nunquam futurum, ut peruersis opinionibus a pueris imbuti, atque infecti penitus philosophantium comprobent consilia.]</em></p>
<br><b>Thomas More</b> (1478–1535) English lawyer, social philosopher, statesman, humanist, Christian martyr<br><i>Utopia</i>, Book 1, ch. 1 &#8220;Discourses of Raphael Hythloday&#8221;  (1518 ed.) [tr. Adams (1992 ed.)] 
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(<a href="https://la.wikisource.org/wiki/Utopia/Liber_I/Colloquium_de_optimo_statu_reipublicae#:~:text=Sed%20bene%20haud%20dubie%20praeuidit%20Plato%2C%20nisi%20reges%20philosophentur%20ipsi%2C%20nunquam%20futurum%2C%20ut%20peruersis%20opinionibus%20a%20pueris%20imbuti%2C%20atque%20infecti%20penitus%20philosophantium%20comprobent%20consilia">Source (Latin)</a>). Other translations: <br><br>

<blockquote>But Plato doubtlesse dyd well foresee, oneless kynges themselves woulde applye their mindes to the studye of Philosophie, that elles they woulde never thoroughlye allowe the counsell of philosophers, beynge themselves before even from their tender age infected, and corrupt with perverse and evil opinions.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/moresutopiatrby00ropegoog/page/n124/mode/2up?q=%22doubtlesse+dyd%22">Robynson</a> (1551)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But Plato judged right, that except Kings themselves became Philosophers, it could never be brought about, that they who from their Childhood are corrupted with false Notions, should fall in intirely with the Counsels of Philosophers.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/utopia1684more/page/40/mode/2up?q=%22But+PI%5Eo+judged%22">Burnet</a> (1684)]  </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But Plato judged right, that except kings themselves become philosophers, they who from their childhood are corrupted with false notions, would never fall in intirely with the counsels of philosophers.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/memoirsoflifeofs00warn/page/56/mode/2up?q=%22but+plato+judged%22">Warner</a> (1758)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But Plato judged rightly, that except kings themselves became philosophers, being corrupted with false notions from their childhood, they would never consent entirely with the counsels of philosophers.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/memoirsofsirthom02cayluoft/page/38/mode/2up?q=%22plato+judged%22">Cayley</a> (1808)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But Plato doubtless did well foresee, unless kings themselves would apply their minds to the study of Philosophy, that else they would never thoroughly allow the counsel of philosophers; being themselves before even from their tender age infected and corrupt with perverse and evil opinions.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/TheUtopia/page/n127/mode/2up?q=%22plato+doubtless%22">Robynson/Lupton/Armes</a> (1911)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But doubtless Plato was right in foreseeing that if kings did not turn to philosophy themselves, they would never approve of the advice of real philosophers, being themselves from their youth infected and saturated with wrong ideas.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015021935831&seq=55&q1=plato">Richards</a> (1923)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>And that's doubtless what Plato meant. He realized that kings are too deeply infected with wrong ideas in childhood to take any philosopher's advice, unless they became philosophers themselves.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/utopia0000thom_f6q8/page/56/mode/2up?q=%22doubtless+what+plato%22">Turner</a> (1965 ed.)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But, doubtless, Plato was right in foreseeing that if kings themselves did not turn to philosophy, they would never approve of the advice of real philosophers because they have been from their youth saturated and infected with wrong ideas. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/utopia0000unse/page/38/mode/2up?q=%22doubtless+plato%22">Richards/Surtz</a> (1964)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>And that's doubtless what Plato meant. He realized that kings are too deeply infected with wrong ideas in childhood to take any philosopher's advice, unless they become philosophers themselves.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/utopia00more_0/page/36/mode/2up?q=%22doubtless+what+plato%22">Turner</a> (2003 ed.)]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Herrick, Robert -- &#8220;Kings and Tyrants,&#8221; Hesperides, #  861 (1648)</title>
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<i>Kings seek their subjects&#8217; good; tyrants their own.</i></p>
<br><b>Robert Herrick</b> (1591–1674) English poet<br>&#8220;Kings and Tyrants,&#8221; <i>Hesperides</i>, #  861 (1648) 
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See <a href="/aristotle/42039/">Aristotle</a>.						</span>
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		<title>Billings, Josh -- Everybody&#8217;s Friend, Or; Josh Billing&#8217;s Encyclopedia and Proverbial Philosophy of Wit and Humor, ch. 156 &#8220;Affurisms: Embers on the Harth&#8221; (1874)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“Happy as a king,”</i> iz a libel on happiness, and on the king to.</p>
<p><i>[&#8220;Happy as a king,&#8221;</i> is a libel on happiness, and on the king, too.]</p>
<br><b>Josh Billings</b> (1818–1885) American humorist, aphorist [pseud. of Henry Wheeler Shaw]<br><i>Everybody&#8217;s Friend, Or; Josh Billing&#8217;s Encyclopedia and Proverbial Philosophy of Wit and Humor</i>, ch. 156 &#8220;Affurisms: Embers on the Harth&#8221; (1874) 
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		<title>Chuang Tzu -- Zhuangzi (Chuang Tzŭ), ch. 10 &#8220;Quqie [胠篋; Rifling Trunks]&#8221; (3rd C BC) [tr. Graham (1981)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The man who steals a buckle is put to death, the man who steals a state becomes a prince. [竊鉤者誅，竊國者侯 &#8211; traditional] [窃钩者诛，窃国者侯 &#8211; simplified] See O&#8217;Neill (1921). (Source (Chinese, traditional; simplified)). Other translations: One man steals a purse, and is punished. Another steals a State, and becomes a Prince. [tr. Giles (1889)] Here is [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The man who steals a buckle is put to death, the man who steals a state becomes a prince.</p>
<p>[竊鉤者誅，竊國者侯 &#8211; traditional]<br />
[窃钩者诛，窃国者侯 &#8211; simplified]</p>
<br><b>Chuang Tzu</b> (369–286 BC) Chinese Taoist philosopher [Zhuang Zhou (莊周), Zhuangzi ( 莊子)]<br><i>Zhuangzi (Chuang Tzŭ)</i>, ch. 10 <i>&#8220;Quqie</i> [胠篋; Rifling Trunks]&#8221; (3rd C BC) [tr. Graham</a> (1981)] 
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See <a href="https://wist.info/oneill-eugene/35652/">O'Neill</a> (1921).<br><br>

(Source (<a href="https://zh.wiktionary.org/zh-hans/%E7%AB%8A%E9%89%A4%E8%80%85%E8%AA%85%EF%BC%8C%E7%AB%8A%E5%9C%8B%E8%80%85%E4%BE%AF#:~:text=%E7%B9%81%E4%BD%93%EF%BC%9A-,%E7%AB%8A%20%E9%89%A4%20%E8%80%85%20%E8%AA%85%20%EF%BC%8C%20%E7%AB%8A%20%E5%9C%8B%20%E8%80%85%20%E4%BE%AF,-%E8%AF%8D%E6%BA%90%5B%E7%BC%96%E8%BE%91">Chinese, traditional</a>; <a href="https://zh.wiktionary.org/zh-hans/%E7%AB%8A%E9%89%A4%E8%80%85%E8%AA%85%EF%BC%8C%E7%AB%8A%E5%9C%8B%E8%80%85%E4%BE%AF#:~:text=%E7%AE%80%E4%BD%93%EF%BC%9A-,%E7%AA%83%20%E9%92%A9%20%E8%80%85%20%E8%AF%9B%20%EF%BC%8C%20%E7%AA%83%20%E5%9B%BD%20%E8%80%85%20%E4%BE%AF,-%E7%B9%81%E4%BD%93%EF%BC%9A%E7%AB%8A">simplified</a>)). Other translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>One man steals a purse, and is punished. Another steals a State, and becomes a Prince.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Chuang_Tz%C5%AD_(Giles)/Chapter_10#:~:text=One%20man%20steals%20a%20purse%2C%20and%20is%20punished.%20Another%20steals%20a%20State%2C%20and%20becomes%20a%20Prince.">Giles</a> (1889)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Here is one who steals a hook (for his girdle); -- he is put to death for it: here is another who steals a state; -- he becomes its prince.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://terebess.hu/english/texttaoism4.html#:~:text=Here%20is%20one%20who%20steals%20a%20hook%20(for%20his%20girdle)%3B%2D%2Dhe%20is%20put%20to%20death%20for%20it%3A%20here%20is%20another%20who%20steals%20a%20state%3B%2D%2Dhe%20becomes%20its%20prince.">Legge</a> (1891)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>A poor man must swing<br>
For stealing a belt buckle<br>
But if a rich man steals a whole state<br>
He is acclaimed<br>
As statesman of the year.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Way_of_Chuang_Tz%C5%AD/LDOCZPyg2MQC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22a%20poor%20man%20must%20swing%22">Merton</a> (1965)]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>This one steals a buckle and he is executed, that one steals a country and he becomes its ruler.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Book_of_Chuang_Tzu/zxDDmcmVr6EC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22this%20one%20steals%20a%20buckle%22">Palmer</a> (1996)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>He who steals a belt buckle pays with his life; he who steals a state gets to be a feudal lord.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Complete_Works_of_Zhuangzi/kWasAgAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22He%20who%20steals%20a%20belt%20buckle%22">Watson</a> (2013)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>One steals a hook -- he is put to death. Another steals a state -- he becomes a prince.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Zhuangzi/5mEqAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22one%20steals%20a%20hook%22">Yang/Höchsmann</a> (2007)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>He who steals a belt buckle is executed, but he who steals a state is made a feudal lord.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Zhuangzi_The_Essential_Writings_with_Sel/jr9i1D-9lAoC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22he%20who%20steals%20a%20belt%20buckle%22">Ziporyn</a> (2009)]</blockquote><br>


This adage can be found in a wide array of forms, with the same basic structure (steal something small, get punished; steal something big, get rewarded), usually stripped of its Chinese/Taoist origin, e.g.:<br><br>

<blockquote>Steal money you're a thief; steal a country you're a king. <br>
[<a href="https://www.scribd.com/document/394050933/Japanese-Proverbs">"Japanese proverb"</a>]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Stealing a dog is said to be immoral. Still, they steal a country and call it righteousness.<br>
[<a href="https://en.namu.wiki/w/%EC%9C%A0%EB%AA%85%20%EC%96%B4%EB%A1%9D#:~:text=Stealing%20a%20dog%20is%20said%20to%20be%20immoral.%20Still%2C%20they%20steal%20a%20country%20and%20call%20it%20righteousness.">Source</a>]</blockquote><br>


<blockquote>To steal a purse is rightly held a crime. <br>
To steal a country is an act sublime.<br>
[<a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc2.ark:/13960/t8pc31r5t&seq=6&q1=%22steal+a+purse%22">Percy Russell</a> (1919)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>One who steals a pearl is persecuted as a thief. One who steals a nation is revered as a king.<br>
[<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/posts/james-kong-6381576_dont-know-why-adam-neumann-is-not-in-jail-activity-7178368010439557120-y3qg#:~:text=One%20who%20steals%20a%20pearl%20is%20persecuted%20as%20a%20thief.%20One%20who%20steals%20a%20nation%20is%20revered%20as%20a%20king.">Source</a>]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>When you steal a pin, you are executed; but if you steal a country, you become a king. <br>
[Chinese historian <a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015062732618&seq=6&q1=%22steal+a+country%22">Sima Qian</a> (c. 145 – c. 86 BC)]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>One who steals a little is a thief. One who steals a little bit more is a robber. And one who steals a nation is a king.<br>
[<a href="https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GPO-CRECB-1967-pt14/pdf/GPO-CRECB-1967-pt14-6-1.pdf">Source</a>]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>To steal a fruit means theft, while to steal a country does not.<br>
["<a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=dul1.ark:/13960/t0hv5d238&seq=6&q1=%22steal+a+country%22">Old Chinese saying</a>"]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Those that steal a loaf of bread are hanged as thieves - those that steal a country are made emperor.<br>
[<a href="https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/should-bush-and-cheney-be-impeached.573254/page-4#:~:text=Those%20that%20steal%20a%20loaf%20of%20bread%20are%20hanged%20as%20thieves%20%2D%20those%20that%20steal%20a%20country%20are%20made%20emperor.">Source</a>]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Steal an apple and you're a thief. Steal a country and you're a statesman.<br>
<i>[<a href="https://www.tumblr.com/psychoticful/186841349427/steal-an-apple-and-youre-a-thief-steal-a">Disney's Aladdin</a></i> (2019)]</blockquote><br>
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<br><b>John Adams</b> (1735–1826) American lawyer, Founder, statesman; US President (1797–1801)<br>Essay (1765-09-30), &#8220;A Dissertation on the Canon and the Feudal Law,&#8221; No. 3, <i>Boston Gazette</i> 
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		<title>Carlyle, Thomas -- Essay (1850-04-01), &#8220;Downing Street,&#8221; Latter-Day Pamphlets, No. 3</title>
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<br><b>Thomas Carlyle</b> (1795–1881) Scottish essayist and historian<br>Essay (1850-04-01), &#8220;Downing Street,&#8221; <i>Latter-Day Pamphlets</i>, No. 3 
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		<title>Addison, Joseph -- Essay (1715-12-26), The Freeholder, No.  2</title>
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<br><b>Joseph Addison</b> (1672–1719) English essayist, poet, statesman<br>Essay (1715-12-26), <i>The Freeholder</i>, No.  2 
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		<title>Hand, Learned -- &#8220;Democracy: Its Presumptions and Realities,&#8221; speech, Federal Bar Association, Washington, DC (1932-03-08)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And so when I hear so much impatient and irritable complaint, so much readiness to replace what we have by guardians for us all, those supermen, evoked somewhere from the clouds, whom none have seen and none are ready to name, I lapse into a dream, as it were. I see children playing on the grass; their voices are shrill and discordant as children&#8217;s are; they are restive and quarrelsome; they cannot agree to any common plan; their play annoys them; it goes poorly. And one says, let us make Jack the master; Jack knows all about it; Jack will tell us what each is to do and we shall all agree. But Jack is like all the rest; Helen is discontented with her part and Henry with his, and soon they fall again into their old state. No, the children must learn to play by themselves; there is no Jack the master. And in the end slowly and with infinite disappointment they do learn a little; they learn to forbear, to reckon with anther, accept a little where they wanted much, to live and let live, to yield when they must yield; perhaps, we may hope, not to take all they can. But the condition is that they shall be willing at least to listen to one another, to get the habit of pooling their wishes. Somehow or other they must do this, if the play is to go on; maybe it will not, but there is no Jack, in or out of the box, who can come to straighten the game.</p>
<br><b>Learned Hand</b> (1872–1961) American jurist<br>&#8220;Democracy: Its Presumptions and Realities,&#8221; speech, Federal Bar Association, Washington, DC (1932-03-08) 
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Collected in <i>The Spirit of Liberty</i> (1953).
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		<title>Thomas a Kempis -- The Imitation of Christ [De Imitatione Christi], Book 1, ch. 20, v.  2 (1.20.2) (c. 1418-27) [tr. Croft/Bolton (1940)]</title>
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<p><em>[Nemo secure apparet nisi qui libenter latet. Nemo secure præcipit nisi qui obedire didicit.]</em></p>
<br><b>Thomas à Kempis</b> (c. 1380–1471) German-Dutch priest, author<br><i>The Imitation of Christ [De Imitatione Christi]</i>, Book 1, ch. 20, v.  2 (1.20.2) (c. 1418-27) [tr. Croft/Bolton (1940)] 
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See also <a href="https://wist.info/cicero-marcus-tullius/43761/">Cicero</a>. (<a href="https://www.thelatinlibrary.com/kempis/kempis1.shtml#:~:text=Nemo%20secure%20apparet%20nisi%20qui%20libenter%20latet.%20Nemo%20secure%20pr%C3%A6cipit%20nisi%20qui%20obedire%20didicit.">Source (Latin)</a>). Other translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>No man is sure in prelacy, but that he would gladly be a subject: no, none may surely command, but he that hath learned gladly to obey<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.219519/page/n97/mode/2up?q=%22none+may+surely+command%22">Whitford/Raynal</a> (1530/1871)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No man is secure in high position save he who would gladly be a subject. No man can firmly command save he who has learned gladly to obey.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/imitationofchri200thom/page/56/mode/2up?q=%22gladly+to+obey%22">Whitford/Gardiner</a> (1530/1955)]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>No man ruleth safely but he that is ruled willingly, no man securely doth command, but he that hath learned readily to obey.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A13699.0001.001/1:4.20?rgn=div2;view=fulltext#:~:text=No%20man%20ruleth%20safely%20but%20he%0Athat%20is%20ruled%20willingly%2C%20no%20man%20securely%0Adoth%20command%2C%20but%20he%20that%20hath%20lear%E2%88%A3ned%0Areadily%20to%20obey.">Page</a> (1639), 1.20.9]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>No Man is fit to govern who hath not learned how to obey.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/christianspatte00thomgoog/page/n63/mode/2up?q=%22Man+is+%28it+to+govern%5E%22">Stanhope</a> (1696; 1706 ed.)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No man can safely govern, that would not cheerfully become subject; no man can safely command, that has not truly learned to obey.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/imitationchrist01kempgoog/page/n80/mode/2up?q=%22fafely+govern%2C+that%22">Payne</a> (1803), 1.20.4]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No man ruleth safely, but he that is willingly ruled. No man securely doth command, but he that hath learned readily to obey.<br>
[ed. <a href="https://archive.org/details/ofimitationofchr00thom_0/page/42/mode/2up?q=%22No+man+ruleth+safely%22">Parker</a> (1841)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No man can safely govern, that would not willingly be governed; no man can safely command, that has not well learned to obey.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Of_the_Imitation_of_Jesus_Christ/qBZwsQJdQ2QC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22safely%20govern%22">Dibdin</a> (1851), 1.20.3]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No man is safe to govern, but he who would rather live in subjection. No man is safe to command, but he who has learned well how to obey.<br>
[ed. <a href="https://archive.org/details/ofimitationofchr00thom_2/page/32/mode/2up?q=%22safe+to+govern%22">Bagster</a> (1860)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No man safely ruleth but he who loveth to be subject. No man safely commandeth but he who loveth to obey.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://gutenberg.org/cache/epub/1653/pg1653-images.html#chap20:~:text=No%20man%20safely%20ruleth%20but%20he%20who%20loveth%20to%20be%20subject.%20No%20man%20safely%20commandeth%20but%20he%20who%20loveth%20to%20obey.">Benham</a> (1874)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No man doth safely rule, but he that is glad to be ruled. No man doth safely rule, but he that hath learned gladly to obey.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Of_the_Imitation_of_Christ/Book_I/Chapter_XX#:~:text=No%20man%20doth%20safely%20rule,hath%20learned%20gladly%20to%20obey.">Anon.</a> (1901)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No one is safely set above who would not cheerfully be subject. No one safely gives orders but he who has thoroughly learned to obey.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/imitationofchris0000unse_r2o4/page/22/mode/2up?q=%22safely+set%22">Daplyn</a> (1952)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No man can safely command, unless he who has learned to obey well.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/imitationofchris00sher/page/50/mode/2up?q=%22safely+command%22">Sherley-Price</a> (1952)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Never trust yourself [...] to come to the front, unless you would sooner be at the back; to give orders, unless you know how to obey them.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/imitationofchris00knox/page/48/mode/2up?q=%22never+trust+yourself%22">Knox-Oakley</a> (1959), 1.20(b)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No one can safely be in command, but the man who has learned complete obedience.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/imitationofchris0000thom_o4e9/page/64/mode/2up?q=%22no+one+can+safely%22">Knott</a> (1962)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No one governs with safety who is unwilling to be governed. No one gives commands with safety who has not learned well how to obey.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/imitationofchris0000unse_e5i0/page/26/mode/2up?q=%22governs+with+safety%22">Rooney</a> (1979)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No one leads securely except the person who freely serves.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Imitation_of_Christ/JI7AA0GAbUgC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22leads%20securely%22">Creasy</a> (1989)]</blockquote><br>
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		<title>Arendt, Hannah -- Origins of Totalitarianism, Part 3, ch. 12 &#8220;Totalitarianism in Power,&#8221; sec.  1 (1951)</title>
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<br><b>Hannah Arendt</b> (1906–1975) German-American philosopher, political theorist<br><i>Origins of Totalitarianism</i>, Part 3, ch. 12 &#8220;Totalitarianism in Power,&#8221; sec.  1 (1951) 
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<br><b>Aristotle</b> (384–322 BC) Greek philosopher<br><i>Politics [Πολιτικά]</i>, Book  3, ch. 16 / 1287a.32 [tr. Jowett (1885)] 
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	<li>"He, therefore, who wishes Law to govern seems to wish for the rule of God and Intellect alone; he who wishes men to rule bring sin the element of the animal. For appetites are of this lower nature, and anger distorts the judgment of rulers, even of the best. And so Law is Intellect without animal impulses." [tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Aristotle_s_Politics/NvZCAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA224&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22Intellect%20without%20animal%20impulses%22">Bolland</a> (1877)]</li><br>
	<li>"Moreover, he who would place the supreme power in mind, would place it in God and the laws; but he who entrusts man with it, gives it to a wild beast, for such his appetites sometimes make him; for passion influences those who are in power, even the very best of men: for which reason law is reason without desire." [tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Politics_(Ellis)/Book_3#CHAPTER_XVI:~:text=Moreover%2C%20he%20who%20would%20place%20the,reason%20law%20is%20reason%20without%20desire.">Ellis</a> (1912)]</li><br>
	<li>"He therefore that recommends that the law shall govern seems to recommend that God and reason alone shall govern, but he that would have man govern adds a wild animal also; for appetite is like a wild animal, and also passion warps the rule even of the best men. Therefore the law is wisdom without desire." [tr. <a href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0058%3Abook%3D3%3Asection%3D1287a#text_main:~:text=He%20therefore%20that%20recommends%20that%20the,the%20law%20is%20wisdom%20without%20desire.">Rackham</a> (1932)]</li><br>
	<li>"One who asks law to rule, therefore, is held to be asking god and intellect alone to rule, while one who asks man adds the beast. Desire is a thing of this sort; and spiritedness perverts rulers and the best men. Hence law is intellect without appetite." [tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/politics0000aris/page/114/mode/2up?q=%22law+is+intellect%22">Lord</a> (1984)]</li>
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		<title>Spenser, Edmund -- The Faerie Queene, Book 5, Canto 2, st. 43 (1589-96)</title>
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<br><b>Edmund Spenser</b> (c. 1552–1599) English poet<br><i>The Faerie Queene</i>, Book 5, Canto 2, st. 43 (1589-96) 
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		<title>Plutarch -- Moralia, Vol. 10 &#8220;Precepts of Statecraft&#8221; (13) [tr. Helmbold (1936)]</title>
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<br><b>Plutarch</b> (AD 46–127) Greek historian, biographer, essayist [Mestrius Plutarchos]<br><i>Moralia</i>, Vol. 10 &#8220;Precepts of Statecraft&#8221; (13) [tr. Helmbold (1936)] 
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		<description><![CDATA[JONES: For de little stealin&#8217; dey gits you in jail soon or late. For de big stealin&#8217; dey makes you Emperor and puts you in de Hall o&#8217; Fame when you croaks. See Chuang Tzu.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">JONES: For de little stealin&#8217; dey gits you in jail soon or late. For de big stealin&#8217; dey makes you Emperor and puts you in de Hall o&#8217; Fame when you croaks.</p>
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<br><b>Eugene O'Neill</b> (1888–1953) Irish American playwright, Nobel laureate<br><i>The Emperor Jones</i>, Act 1 (1921) 
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See <a href="https://wist.info/chuangtzu/74879/">Chuang Tzu</a>.						</span>
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<br><b>Brooks Atkinson</b> (1894–1984) American drama critic and journalist <br><i>Once Around the Sun</i>, &#8220;March 1&#8221; (1951) 
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<br><b>Brooks Atkinson</b> (1894–1984) American drama critic and journalist <br><i>Once Around the Sun</i>, &#8220;January 27&#8221; (1951) 
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		<title>Machiavelli, Niccolo -- The Prince, ch. 22 (1513) [tr. Ricci (1903)]</title>
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<br><b>Niccolò Machiavelli</b> (1469–1527) Italian politician, philosopher, political scientist<br><i>The Prince</i>, ch. 22 (1513) [tr. Ricci (1903)] 
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		<title>Machiavelli, Niccolo -- The Discourses on Livy, Book 1, Introduction (1517) [tr. Detmold (1882)]</title>
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<br><b>Niccolò Machiavelli</b> (1469–1527) Italian politician, philosopher, political scientist<br><i>The Discourses on Livy</i>, Book 1, Introduction (1517) [tr. Detmold (1882)] 
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		<title>Sophocles -- Antigone, l.  736 ff (441 BC) [tr. Storr (1859)]</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CREON: Am I to rule for others, or myself?<br />
HAEMON: A State for one man is no State at all.<br />
CREON: The State is his who rules it, so &#8217;tis held.<br />
HAEMON: As monarch of a desert thou wouldst shine.</p>
<p>Κρέων: ἄλλῳ γὰρ ἢ &#8216;μοὶ χρή με τῆσδ᾽ ἄρχειν χθονός;<br />
Αἵμων: πόλις γὰρ οὐκ ἔσθ᾽ ἥτις ἀνδρός ἐσθ᾽ ἑνός.<br />
Κρέων: οὐ τοῦ κρατοῦντος ἡ πόλις νομίζεται;<br />
Αἵμων: καλῶς γ᾽ ἐρήμης ἂν σὺ γῆς ἄρχοις μόνος.</p>
<br><b>Sophocles</b> (496–406 BC) Greek tragic playwright<br><i>Antigone</i>, l.  736 ff (441 BC) [tr. Storr (1859)] 
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<a href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0185%3Acard%3D724#text_main:~:text=%3B-,%CE%9A%CF%81%CE%AD%CF%89%CE%BD,%CE%BA%CE%B1%CE%BB%E1%BF%B6%CF%82%20%CE%B3%E1%BE%BD%20%E1%BC%90%CF%81%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%B7%CF%82%20%E1%BC%82%CE%BD%20%CF%83%E1%BD%BA%20%CE%B3%E1%BF%86%CF%82%20%E1%BC%84%CF%81%CF%87%CE%BF%CE%B9%CF%82%20%CE%BC%CF%8C%CE%BD%CE%BF%CF%82.">Original Greek</a>. Other translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>CREON: Shall other men prescribe my government?<br>
HAEMON: One only makes not up a city, father.<br>
CREON: Is not the city in the sovereign's hand?<br>
HAEMON: Nobly you'd govern as the desert's king.<br>
[tr. <a href="http://www.loyalbooks.com/download/text/Electra-Sophocles.txt">Campbell</a> (1873)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>CREON: Am I to rule this land by the will of another than myself?<br>
HAEMON: That is no city, which belongs to one man.<br>
CREON: Does not the city by tradition belong to the man in power?<br>
HAEMON: You would make a fine monarch in a desert.<br>
[tr. <a href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0186%3Acard%3D724#text_main:~:text=child.-,Creon,You%20would%20make%20a%20fine%20monarch%20in%20a%20desert.">Jebb</a> (1891)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>CREON: My voice is the one voice giving orders in this City!<br>
HAIMON: It is no City if it takes orders from one voice.<br>
CREON: The State is the King!<br>
HAIMON: Yes, if the State is a desert.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://mthoyibi.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/antigone_2.pdf">Fitts/Fitzgerald</a> (1939)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>CREON: No, I am king, and responsible only to myself.<br>
HAEMON: A one-man state? What sort of state is that?<br>
CREON: Why, does not every state belong to its ruler?<br>
HAEMON: You’d be an excellent king -- on a desert island.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Theban_Plays/OPGJ2bndWuIC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=antigone%20watling&pg=PT5&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22no%20i%20am%20a%20king%20and%20responsible%22">Watling</a> (1947), ll. 632 ff]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>CREON: Am I to rule by other mind than mine?<br>
HAEMON: No city is property of a single man.<br>
CREON: But custom gives possession to the ruler.<br>
HAEMON: You'd rule a desert beautifully alone.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://assets.aspeninstitute.org/content/uploads/files/content/docs/SOPHOCLES_ANTIGONE_(AS08).PDF">Wyckoff</a> (1954)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>CREON: Am I to rule for them, not for myself?<br>
HAEMON: That is not government, but tyranny.<br>
CREON: The king is lord and master of his city.<br>
HAEMON: Then you had better rule a desert island!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Antigone_Oedipus_the_King_Electra/I9Ely1BXWAQC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PR56&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22king%20is%20lord%22">Kitto</a> (1962)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>CREON: Am I to rule this land for others -- or myself?<br>
HAEMON: It's no city at all, owned by one man alone.<br>
CREON: What? The city is the king's -- that's the law!<br>
HAEMON: What a splendid king you'd make of a desert island --<br>
you and you alone.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.olma.org/ourpages/auto/2013/9/5/51879406/Antigone.pdf">Fagles</a> (1982)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>CREON: So I should rule this country for someone other than myself?<br>
HAEMON: A place for one man alone is not a city.<br>
CREON: A city belongs to its master. Isn't that the rule?<br>
HAEMON: Then go be ruler of a desert, all alone. You'd do it well.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Antigone/4180HoH81RgC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA18&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22one%20man%20alone%22">Woodruff</a> (2001)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>CREON: Should I govern the city for others and not for me?<br>
HAEMON: There is no city that belongs to one man.<br>
CREON: So a city does not belong to the man who governs it?<br>
HAEMON: One man alone can only govern an empty city.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Greek/Antigone.php#content:~:text=CreonShould%20I%20govern%20the%20city%20for,taking%20the%20side%20of%20the%20woman.">Theodoridis</a> (2004)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>CREON: Am I to rule this land at someone else’s whim or by myself?<br>
HAEMON: A city which belongs to just one man is no true city.<br>
CREON: According to our laws, does not the ruler own the city?<br>
HAEMON: By yourself you’d make an excellent king but in a desert.<br>
[tr. <a href="http://johnstoi.web.viu.ca//sophocles/antigone.htm#:~:text=that%3F-,CREON,but%20in%20a%20desert.">Johnston</a> (2005)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>CREON: Should I rule the land for anyone other than myself? <br>
HAEMON: There is no city that is one man’s. <br>
CREON: Is not the city considered to belong to the ruling man? <br>
HAEMON: Nobly you could rule an empty land, alone.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://diotima-doctafemina.org/translations/greek/sophocles-antigone/#post-1273:~:text=that%3F735-,Creon,Nobly%20you%20could%20rule%20an%20empty%20land%2C%20alone.">Tyrell/Bennett</a> (2002)]</blockquote><br>

Also:<ul>
	<li>"The state which belongs to one man is no state at all." [tr. <a href="https://sententiaeantiquae.com/2020/08/05/what-a-piece-of-work-is-man-reading-sophocles-antigone-online/">@sentantiq</a> (2020)]</li>
	<li>"A state is not a state if it belongs to one man."</li>
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		<title>Burke, Edmund -- &#8220;Thoughts on the Cause of the Present Discontents&#8221; (23 Apr 1770)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am not one of those who think that the people are never in the wrong. They have been so, frequently and outrageously, both in other countries and in this. But I do say, that in all disputes between them and their rulers, the presumption is at least upon a par in favour of the [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not one of those who think that the people are never in the wrong. They have been so, frequently and outrageously, both in other countries and in this. But I do say, that in all disputes between them and their rulers, the presumption is at least upon a par in favour of the people.</p>
<br><b>Edmund Burke</b> (1729–1797) Anglo-Irish statesman, orator, philosopher<br>&#8220;Thoughts on the Cause of the Present Discontents&#8221; (23 Apr 1770) 
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		<title>Sophocles -- Antigone, l.  175ff  [Creon] (441 BC) [tr. Watling (1947)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[No other touchstone can test the heart of a man, The temper of his mind and spirit, till he be tried In the practice of authority and rule. [ἀμήχανον δὲ παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἐκμαθεῖν ψυχήν τε καὶ φρόνημα καὶ γνώμην, πρὶν ἂν ἀρχαῖς τε καὶ νόμοισιν ἐντριβὴς φανῇ.] Alt. trans.: There is no man whose soul [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No other touchstone can test the heart of a man,<br />
The temper of his mind and spirit, till he be tried<br />
In the practice of authority and rule.</p>
<p>[ἀμήχανον δὲ παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἐκμαθεῖν<br />
ψυχήν τε καὶ φρόνημα καὶ γνώμην, πρὶν ἂν<br />
ἀρχαῖς τε καὶ νόμοισιν ἐντριβὴς φανῇ.]</p>
<br><b>Sophocles</b> (496–406 BC) Greek tragic playwright<br><i>Antigone</i>, l.  175ff  [Creon] (441 BC) [tr. Watling (1947)] 
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Alt. trans.:<br><br>

<blockquote>There is no man whose soul and will and meaning<br>
Stand forth as outward things for all to see,<br>
'Till he has shown himself by practice versed<br>
In ruling under law and making laws.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Antigone_of_Sophocles_in_Greek_and_E/HMQNAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA21&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22there%20is%20no%20man%22">Donaldson</a> (1848)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But hard it is to learn<br>
The mind of any mortal or the heart,<br>
Till he be tried in chief authority.<br>
Power shows the man.<br>
[tr. <a href="http://www.loyalbooks.com/download/text/Electra-Sophocles.txt">Campbell</a> (1873)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Yet 'tis no easy matter to discern<br>
The temper of a man, his mind and will,<br>
Till he be proved by exercise of power.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/31/31-h/31-h.htm#linkantigone:~:text=Yet%20'tis%20no%20easy%20matter%20to,be%20proved%20by%20exercise%20of%20power">Storr</a> (1859)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Now, it is impossible to know fully any man's character, will, or judgment, until he has been proved by the test of rule and law-giving.<br>
[tr. <a href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0186%3Acard%3D162#text_main:~:text=Now%2C%20it%20is%20impossible%20to%20know,the%20test%20of%20rule%20and%20law%2Dgiving.">Jebb</a> (1891)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Never can man be known.<br>
His mind, his will, his passion ne'er appear,<br>
Till power and office call them forth.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Antigone/7HVQAQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA4&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22never%20can%20a%20man%20be%20known%22">Werner</a> (1892)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No man can be fully known, in soul and spirit and mind, until he hath been seen versed in rule and law-giving.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Tragedies_of_Sophocles_(Jebb_1917)/Antigone#132:~:text=No%20man%20can%20be%20fully%20known%2C,seen%20versed%20in%20rule%20and%20law%2Dgiving.">Jebb</a> (1917)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I am aware, of course, that no Ruler can expect complete loyalty from his subjects until he has been tested in office.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://mthoyibi.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/antigone_2.pdf">Fitts/Fitzgerald</a> (1939)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>You cannot learn of any man the soul,<br>
the mind, and the intent until he shows<br>
his practice of the government and law.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://assets.aspeninstitute.org/content/uploads/files/content/docs/SOPHOCLES_ANTIGONE_(AS08).PDF">Wyckoff</a> (1954)]</blockquote><br>
<blockquote>There is no art that teaches us to know<br>
The temper, mind, or spirit of any man<br>
Until he has been proved by government<br>
And lawgiving.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Antigone_Oedipus_the_King_Electra/I9Ely1BXWAQC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PR54&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22there%20is%20no%20art%22">Kitto</a> (1962)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Of course you cannot know a man completely,<br>
his character, his principles, sense of judgment,<br>
not till he's shown his colors, ruling the people,<br>
making laws. Experience, there's the test.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.olma.org/ourpages/auto/2013/9/5/51879406/Antigone.pdf">Fagles</a> (1982), l. 194ff]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No man has a mind that can be fully known,<br>
In character or judgment, till he rules and makes law.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Antigone/4180HoH81RgC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA8&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22no%20man%20has%20a%20mind%22">Woodruff</a> (2001)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Now, there is no way to learn thoroughly the essence<br>
of the whole man as well as his thought and judgment <br>
until he has been seen engaged in ruling and making laws.<br> 
[tr. <a href="https://diotima-doctafemina.org/translations/greek/sophocles-antigone/#post-1273:~:text=Now%2C%20there%20is%20no%20way%20to,engaged%20in%20ruling%20and%20making%20laws.">Tyrell/Bennett</a> (2002)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>It’s impossible<br>
to really know a man, to know his soul,<br>
his mind and will, before one witnesses<br>
his skill in governing and making laws.<br>
[tr. <a href="http://johnstoi.web.viu.ca//sophocles/antigone.htm#:~:text=It%E2%80%99s%20impossible,skill%20in%20governing%20and%20making%20laws.">Johnston</a> (2005), ll. 198-201]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>It is impossible to really learn a man’s<br>
mind, thought and opinion before he’s been initiated<br>
into the offices and laws of the state.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://sententiaeantiquae.com/2020/08/05/what-a-piece-of-work-is-man-reading-sophocles-antigone-online/">@sentantiq</a> (2020)]</blockquote>						</span>
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		<title>Lao-tzu -- The Wisdom of Laotse, ch 17 (1948) [tr. Lin Yutang]</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of the best rulers<br />
The people (only) know that they exist;<br />
The next best they love and praise;<br />
The next they fear;<br />
And the next they revile.<br />
When they do not command the people’s faith,<br />
Some will lose faith in them,<br />
And then they resort to oaths!<br />
But (of the best) when their task is accomplished, their work done,<br />
The people all remark, “We have done it ourselves.”</p>
<br><b>Lao-tzu</b> (604?-531? BC) Chinese philosopher, poet [also Lao-tse, Laozi]<br><i>The Wisdom of Laotse</i>, ch 17 (1948) [tr. Lin Yutang] 
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Alt. trans. [<i>Tao-te Ching</i> tr. Wing-Tsit Chan]:<br>
"The best are those whose existence is merely known by the people.<br>
The next best are those who are loved and praised.<br>
The next are those who are feared.<bt>
And the next are those who are reviled.<br>
The great rulers accomplish their task; they complete their work.<br>
Nevertheless their people say that they simply follow Nature."

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