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		<title>Twain, Mark -- Essay (1906), &#8220;The Gorky Incident,&#8221; Letters from the Earth (c. 1909; pub. 1962) [ed. DeVoto (1939)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Customs do not concern themselves with right or wrong or reason. But they have to be obeyed; one may reason all around them until he is tired, but he must not transgress them, it is sternly forbidden. Commenting on the eviction of Maxim Gorky from multiple hotels in New York City because the woman he [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Customs do not concern themselves with right or wrong or reason. But they have to be obeyed; one may reason all around them until he is tired, but he must not transgress them, it is sternly forbidden.</p>
<br><b>Mark Twain</b> (1835–1910) American writer [pseud. of Samuel Clemens]<br>Essay (1906), &#8220;The Gorky Incident,&#8221; <i>Letters from the Earth</i> (c. 1909; pub. 1962) [ed. DeVoto (1939)] 
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Commenting on the <a href="https://twainsgeography.com/node/10439">eviction</a> of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxim_Gorky">Maxim Gorky</a> from multiple hotels in New York City because the woman he was traveling with was not his wife. Twain was a supporter of Gorky's efforts to foment revolution in Tsarist Russia.<br><br>

The essay was not published in Twain's lifetime.  It's <a href="https://twainsgeography.com/node/10439#:~:text=in%20Sam%E2%80%99s%20lifetime.-,It%20first%20appeared,-edited%20by%20Bernard">original publication</a> was in the <i>Slavonic and East European Review</i> (1944-08), also edited by DeVoto.




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		<title>Montesquieu -- Spirit of Laws [The Spirit of the Laws; De l’esprit des lois], Book  4, ch.  3 (4.3) (1748) [tr. Cohler/Miller/Stone (1989)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Extreme obedience assumes ignorance in the one who obeys; it assumes ignorance even in the one who commands; he does not have to deliberate, to doubt, or to reason; he has only to want. [L’extrême obéissance suppose de l’ignorance dans celui qui obéit; elle en suppose même dans celui qui commande: il n’a point à [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Extreme obedience assumes ignorance in the one who obeys; it assumes ignorance even in the one who commands; he does not have to deliberate, to doubt, or to reason; he has only to want.</p>
<p><em>[L’extrême obéissance suppose de l’ignorance dans celui qui obéit; elle en suppose même dans celui qui commande: il n’a point à délibérer, à douter, ni à raisonner; il n’a qu’à vouloir.]</em></p>
<br><b>Charles-Lewis de Secondat, Baron de Montesquieu</b> (1689–1755) French political philosopher<br><i>Spirit of Laws [The Spirit of the Laws; De l’esprit des lois]</i>, Book  4, ch.  3 (4.3) (1748) [tr. Cohler/Miller/Stone (1989)] 
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(<a href="https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/De_l%E2%80%99esprit_des_lois_(%C3%A9d._Nourse)/Livre_4#:~:text=L%E2%80%99extr%C3%AAme%20ob%C3%A9issance%20suppose%20de%20l%E2%80%99ignorance%20dans%20celui%20qui%20ob%C3%A9it%C2%A0%3B%20elle%20en%20suppose%20m%C3%AAme%20dans%20celui%20qui%20commande%C2%A0%3A%20il%20n%E2%80%99a%20point%20%C3%A0%20d%C3%A9lib%C3%A9rer%2C%20%C3%A0%20douter%2C%20ni%20%C3%A0%20raisonner%C2%A0%3B%20il%20n%E2%80%99a%20qu%E2%80%99%C3%A0%20vouloir.">Source (French)</a>). Other translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>Excessive obedience supposes ignorance in the person that obeys: the same it supposes in him that commands; for he has no occasion to deliberate, to doubt, to reason; he has only to will.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Spirit_of_Laws_(1758)/Book_IV#:~:text=Excessive%20obedience%20supposes%20ignorance%20in%20the%20person%20that%20obeys%3A%20the%20same%20it%20supposes%20in%20him%20that%20commands%3B%20for%20he%20has%20no%20occasion%20to%20deliberate%2C%20to%20doubt%2C%20to%20reason%3B%20he%20has%20only%20to%20will.">Nugent</a> (1750)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Extreme obedience assumes ignorance in him who obeys; it assumes ignorance even in him who commands: he has no need to deliberate, to doubt, or to reason, he has only to will.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://montesquieu.ens-lyon.fr/spip.php?article2606#:~:text=Extreme%20obedience%20assumes%20ignorance%20in%20him%20who%20obeys%C2%A0%3B%20it%20assumes%20ignorance%20even%20in%20him%20who%20commands%C2%A0%3A%20he%20has%20no%20need%20to%20deliberate%2C%20to%20doubt%2C%20or%20to%20reason%2C%20he%20has%20only%20to%20will.">Stewart</a> (2018)</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Twain, Mark -- Essay (1882), &#8220;Advice to Youth&#8221;</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Always obey your parents, when they are present. This is the best policy in the long run, because if you don’t, they will make you. Most parents think they know better than you do, and you can generally make more by humoring that superstition than you can by acting on your own better judgment. A [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Always obey your parents, when they are present. This is the best policy in the long run, because if you don’t, they will make you. Most parents think they know better than you do, and you can generally make more by humoring that superstition than you can by acting on your own better judgment.</p>
<br><b>Mark Twain</b> (1835–1910) American writer [pseud. of Samuel Clemens]<br>Essay (1882), &#8220;Advice to Youth&#8221; 
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A <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advice_to_Youth">satirical essay</a> sometimes labeled as a speech to the Boston Saturday Morning Club (1882-04-15).						</span>
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		<title>Arendt, Hannah -- The Origins of Totalitarianism, Part 3, ch. 13 &#8220;Ideology and Terror&#8221; (1951)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The aim of totalitarian education has never been to instill convictions but to destroy the capacity to form any.</p>
<br><b>Hannah Arendt</b> (1906–1975) German-American philosopher, political theorist<br><i>The Origins of Totalitarianism</i>, Part 3, ch. 13 &#8220;Ideology and Terror&#8221; (1951) 
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		<title>Euripides -- Medea [Μήδεια], l.  14ff (431 BC) [tr. Murray (1906)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[NURSE:Surely this doth bind, Through all ill days, the hurts of humankind, When man and woman in one music move. [ΤΡΟΦΌΣ: ἥπερ μεγίστη γίγνεται σωτηρία, ὅταν γυνὴ πρὸς ἄνδρα μὴ διχοστατῇ.] (Source (Greek)). Other translations: Hence bliss supreme arises, when the bond Of concord joins them. [tr. Wodhull (1782)] This is the state of firmest [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">NURSE:<span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Surely this doth bind,<br />
Through all ill days, the hurts of humankind,<br />
When man and woman in one music move.</span></span></span></span></span></p>
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<p class="hangingindent">[ΤΡΟΦΌΣ: ἥπερ μεγίστη γίγνεται σωτηρία,<br />
ὅταν γυνὴ πρὸς ἄνδρα μὴ διχοστατῇ.]</p>
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<br><b>Euripides</b> (485?-406? BC) Greek tragic dramatist<br><i>Medea</i> [Μήδεια], l.  14ff (431 BC) [tr. Murray (1906)] 
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(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0113%3Acard%3D1#:~:text=%E1%BC%A5%CF%80%CE%B5%CF%81%20%CE%BC%CE%B5%CE%B3%CE%AF%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B7%20%CE%B3%CE%AF%CE%B3%CE%BD%CE%B5%CF%84%CE%B1%CE%B9,%CE%BC%E1%BD%B4%20%CE%B4%CE%B9%CF%87%CE%BF%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B1%CF%84%E1%BF%87.">Source (Greek)</a>). Other translations: <br><br>

<blockquote>Hence bliss supreme arises, when the bond <br>
Of concord joins them.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/nineteentragedi01wodhgoog/page/248/mode/2up?q=%22hence+bliss%22">Wodhull</a> (1782)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>This is the state of firmest happiness,<br>
When from the husband no discordant will<br>
The wife estranges.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Bacch%C3%A6_Ion_Alcestis_Medea_Hippolytu/L8tCAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22firmest%20happiness%22">Potter</a> (1814)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>In which the better part of safety lies<br>
That the woman should not differ from the man.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Medea_(Webster_1868)#:~:text=In%20which%20the,from%20the%20man.">Webster</a> (1868)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>The greatest safeguard this when wife and husband do agree.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Plays_of_Euripides_(Coleridge)/Medea#:~:text=the%20greatest%20safeguard%20this%20when%20wife%20and%20husband%20do%20agree">Coleridge</a> (1891)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Which is the surest support of conjugal happiness, when the wife is not estranged from the husband.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/15081/pg15081-images.html#MEDEA:~:text=which%20is%20the%20surest%20support%20of%20conjugal%20happiness%2C%20when%20the%20wife%20is%20not%20estranged%20from%20the%20husband">Buckley</a> (1892)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Which is the chief salvation of the home,<br>
When wife stands not at variance with her lord.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Tragedies_of_Euripides_(Way)/Medea#:~:text=Which%20is%20the%20chief%20salvation%20of%20the%20home%2C%0AWhen%20wife%20stands%20not%20at%20variance%20with%20her%20lord.">Way</a> (Loeb) (1894)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>This is indeed the greatest salvation of all --<br>
For the wife not to stand apart from the husband.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/euripides-medea-warner.ocr/page/n3/mode/2up?q=%22greatest+salvation%22">Warner</a> (1944)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">Happy is the house<br>
Where the man and the woman love and are faithful.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/medeafreelyadapt0000robi/page/10/mode/2up?q=%22love+and+are+faithful%22">Jeffers</a> (1946)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">And in a marriage that's the saving thing,<br>
When a wife obediently accepts her husband's will.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/medeaotherplays0000euri/page/16/mode/2up?q=%22obediently+accepts%22">Vellacott</a> (1963)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>This, to my mind, is a woman’s greatest safety:<br>
Not to take the opposite side from her husband.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/euripides-medea-podlecki_20220818/page/13/mode/2up?q=%22greatest+safety%22">Podlecki</a> (1989)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>This it is that most rescues life from trouble, when a woman is not at variance with her husband.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0114#:~:text=This%20it%20is%20that%20most%20rescues%20life%20from%20trouble%2C%20%5B15%5D%20when%20a%20woman%20is%20not%20at%20variance%20with%20her%20husband.">Kovacs</a> (1994)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>This is what keeps a marraige intact more than anything, when a husband can count on complete support from his wife.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/_/9DazOvYlir0C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22marriage%20intact%22">Davie</a> (1996)] </blockquote><br>

<blockquote>That, you see, is how a woman earns her security: never argue with your husband!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://bacchicstage.wpcomstaging.com/euripides/medea/#:~:text=that%2C%20you%20see%2C%20is%20how%20a%20woman%20earns%20her%20security%3A%20never%20argue%20with%20your%20husband!">Theodoridis</a> (2004)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>This is what brings the greatest stability at home: <br>
when a woman does not challenge her husband.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://diotima-doctafemina.org/translations/greek/euripides-medea/#:~:text=This%20is%20what%20brings%20the%20greatest%20stability%20at%20home%3A%C2%A0%0Awhen%20a%20woman%20does%20not%20challenge%20her%20husband.">Luschnig</a> (2007)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>That’s when life is most secure and safe,<br>
when woman and her husband stand as one. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://johnstoniatexts.x10host.com/euripides/medeahtml.html#:~:text=That%E2%80%99s%20when%20life%20is%20most%20secure%20and%20safe%2C%0Awhen%20woman%20and%20her%20husband%20stand%20as%20one.%C2%A0">Johnston</a> (2008)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>This provides the greatest security,<br>
when a wife doesn't oppose her husband.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Greek_Plays/P5O5DAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22this%20privides%20the%20greatest%22">Kovacs / Kitzinger</a> (2016)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>That is the best security, <br>
when the wife does not quarrel with her husband.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Euripides_Medea/kNBUEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22that%20is%20the%20best%20security%22">Ewans</a> (2022)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>This is the greatest safety <i>[sōtēriā],</i> when wife does not stand apart from husband.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://chs.harvard.edu/primary-source/euripides-medea/#:~:text=This%20is%20the%20greatest%20safety%20%5Bs%C5%8Dt%C4%93ri%C4%81%5D%2C%20%7C15%20when%20wife%20does%20not%20stand%20apart%20from%20husband.">Coleridge / Ceragioli / Nagy / Hour25</a>]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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		<title>Hobbes, Thomas -- Leviathan, Part 2 &#8220;Of Common-wealth,&#8221; ch. 21 &#8220;Of the Liberty of Subjects&#8221; (1651)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Obligation of Subjects to the Soveraign, is understood to last as long, and no longer, than the power lasteth, by which he is able to protect them. For the right men have by Nature to protect themselves, when none else can protect them, can by no Covenant be relinquished. [&#8230;] The end of Obedience [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Obligation of Subjects to the Soveraign, is understood to last as long, and no longer, than the power lasteth, by which he is able to protect them. For the right men have by Nature to protect themselves, when none else can protect them, can by no Covenant be relinquished. [&#8230;] The end of Obedience is Protection; which, wheresoever a man seeth it, either in his own, or in anothers sword, Nature applyeth his obedience to it, and his endeavour to maintaine it. </p>
<br><b>Thomas Hobbes</b> (1588–1679) English philosopher<br><i>Leviathan</i>, Part 2 &#8220;Of Common-wealth,&#8221; ch. 21 &#8220;Of the Liberty of Subjects&#8221; (1651) 
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		<title>Huxley, Aldous -- Essay (1927-10), &#8220;A Note on Eugenics,&#8221; Proper Studies (1927)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[States function as smoothly as they do, because the greater part of the population is not very intelligent, dreads responsibility, and desires nothing better than to be told what to do. Provided the rulers do not interfere with its material comforts and its cherished beliefs, it is perfectly happy to let itself be ruled. Huxley [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>States function as smoothly as they do, because the greater part of the population is not very intelligent, dreads responsibility, and desires nothing better than to be told what to do. Provided the rulers do not interfere with its material comforts and its cherished beliefs, it is perfectly happy to let itself be ruled. </p>
<br><b>Aldous Huxley</b> (1894–1963) English novelist, essayist and critic<br>Essay (1927-10), &#8220;A Note on Eugenics,&#8221; <i>Proper Studies</i> (1927) 
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Huxley was somewhat sympathetic to eugenicist arguments, though pessimistic about addressing them. He used this observation as an argument against eugenic attempts to "improve" humanity, because increasing the "superior" part of the population would disrupt states and society through their increased ambition. The passage continues:<br><br>

<blockquote>The socially efficient and the intellectually gifted are precisely those who are not content to be ruled, but are ambitious either to rule or to live in an anti-social solitude. A state with a population consisting of nothing but these superior people could not hope to last for a year.</blockquote><br>

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		<title>Holmes, Oliver Wendell, Sr. -- Article (1860-09), &#8220;The Professor&#8217;s Story [Elsie Venner],&#8221; ch. 18, Atlantic Monthly, Vol. 6, No. 35</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Liberty is often a heavy burden on a man. It involves that necessity for perpetual choice which is the kind of labor men have always dreaded. In common life we shirk it by forming habits, which take the place of self-determination. In politics party-organization saves us the pains of much thinking before deciding how to [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liberty is often a heavy burden on a man. It involves that necessity for perpetual choice which is the kind of labor men have always dreaded. In common life we shirk it by forming habits, which take the place of self-determination. In politics party-organization saves us the pains of much thinking before deciding how to cast our vote. In religious matters there are great multitudes watching us perpetually, each propagandist ready with his bundle of finalities, which having accepted we may be at peace. The more absolute the submission demanded, the stronger the temptation becomes to those who have been long tossed among doubts and conflicts.</p>
<br><b>Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.</b> (1809–1894) American poet, essayist, scholar<br>Article (1860-09), &#8220;The Professor&#8217;s Story [Elsie Venner],&#8221; ch. 18, <i>Atlantic Monthly</i>, Vol. 6, No. 35 
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<a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Elsie_Venner/Chapter_XVIII#:~:text=Liberty%20is%20often,doubts%20and%20conflicts.">Originally serialized</a> as “The Professor’s Story,” but collected as the novel <i>Elsie Venner</i>, ch. 18 (1861).

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		<title>Ingersoll, Robert Green -- Lecture (1873-12) &#8220;Individuality,&#8221; Chicago Free Religious Society</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[It has always seemed absurd to suppose that a god would choose for his companions, during all eternity, the dear souls whose highest and only ambition is to obey. Full title &#8220;Arraignment of the Church and a Plea for Individuality.&#8221; Collected in The Gods and Other Lectures (1876).]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has always seemed absurd to suppose that a god would choose for his companions, during all eternity, the dear souls whose highest and only ambition is to obey.</p>
<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833–1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>Lecture (1873-12) &#8220;Individuality,&#8221; Chicago Free Religious Society 
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Full title "<a href="https://conwayhallcollections.omeka.net/items/show/742">Arraignment of the Church and a Plea for Individuality</a>." <a href="https://archive.org/details/godsotherlectu00inge/page/204/mode/2up?q=%22founded+upon+the+bible%22">Collected</a> in <i>The Gods and Other Lectures</i> (1876).						</span>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whoever worships, abdicates. Whoever believes at the command of power, tramples his own individuality beneath his feet, and voluntarily robs himself of all that renders man superior to the brute. Full title &#8220;Arraignment of the Church and a Plea for Individuality.&#8221; Collected in The Gods and Other Lectures (1876).]]></description>
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<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833–1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>Lecture (1873-12) &#8220;Individuality,&#8221; Chicago Free Religious Society 
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Full title "<a href="https://conwayhallcollections.omeka.net/items/show/742">Arraignment of the Church and a Plea for Individuality</a>." <a href="https://archive.org/details/godsotherlectu00inge/page/204/mode/2up?q=%22founded+upon+the+bible%22">Collected</a> in <i>The Gods and Other Lectures</i> (1876).
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		<title>Billings, Josh -- Everybody&#8217;s Friend, Or; Josh Billing&#8217;s Encyclopedia and Proverbial Philosophy of Wit and Humor, ch. 281 &#8220;Variety: Bred and Butter&#8221; (1874)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thare iz more weak men in this world than thare iz wicked ones.</p>
<p>[There are more weak men in this world than there are wicked ones.]</p>
<br><b>Josh Billings</b> (1818–1885) American humorist, aphorist [pseud. of Henry Wheeler Shaw]<br><i>Everybody&#8217;s Friend, Or; Josh Billing&#8217;s Encyclopedia and Proverbial Philosophy of Wit and Humor</i>, ch. 281 &#8220;Variety: Bred and Butter&#8221; (1874) 
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See also <a href="/catton-bruce/50810/">Catton</a> (1953), and also <a href="/billings-josh/72408/">this Billings</a>.						</span>
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		<title>Martin, Judith -- &#8220;Miss Manners,&#8221; syndicated column (2015-02-01)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rules that are arbitrary may be nonetheless crucial. Whether we drive on the right or left side of the road is arbitrary, but it is crucial to obey the prevailing rule.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rules that are arbitrary may be nonetheless crucial. Whether we drive on the right or left side of the road is arbitrary, but it is crucial to obey the prevailing rule.</p>
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<br><b>Judith Martin</b> (b. 1938) American author, journalist, etiquette expert [a.k.a. Miss Manners]<br>&#8220;Miss Manners,&#8221; syndicated column (2015-02-01) 
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To answer thy best pleasure. Be ’t to fly,<br />
To swim, to dive into the fire, to ride<br />
On the curled clouds, to thy strong bidding task<br />
Ariel and all his quality.</p>
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<br><b>William Shakespeare</b> (1564–1616) English dramatist and poet<br><i>Tempest,</i> Act 1, sc. 2, l. 224ff (1.2.224-228) (1611) 
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		<description><![CDATA[The greatest crimes in the world are not committed by people breaking the rules but by people following the rules. It&#8217;s people who follow orders that drop bombs and massacre villages. As a precaution to never committing major acts of evil it is our solemn duty never to do what we&#8217;re told, this is the [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<br><b>Banksy</b> (b. 1974?) England-based pseudonymous street artist, political activist, film director 
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		<title>Roosevelt, Franklin Delano -- Speech (1941-03-29), Jackson Day Radio Broadcast, U.S.S. Potomac</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[In dictatorships there can be no party divisions. For all men must think as they are told, speak as they are told, write as they are told, live &#8212; and die &#8212; as they are told. In those countries the Nation is not above the party, as with us; the party is above the Nation; [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In dictatorships there can be no party divisions. For all men must think as they are told, speak as they are told, write as they are told, live &#8212; and die &#8212; as they are told. In those countries the Nation is not above the party, as with us; the party is above the Nation; the party is the Nation. Every common man and woman is forced to walk the straight and narrow path of the party line, not strictly speaking a party line, but rather a line drawn by the dictator himself, who owns the party.</p>
<br><b>Franklin Delano Roosevelt</b> (1882–1945) American lawyer, politician, statesman; US President (1933–45)<br>Speech (1941-03-29), Jackson Day Radio Broadcast, U.S.S. <i>Potomac</i> 
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		<description><![CDATA[MORE: (looks at him: takes him aside: lowered voice) Have I your word, that what we say here is between us and has no existence beyond these walls? NORFOLK: (impatient) Very well. MORE: (almost whispering) And if the King should command you to repeat what I have said? NORFOLK: I should keep my word to [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">MORE: <em>(looks at him: takes him aside: lowered voice)</em> Have I your word, that what we say here is between us and has no existence beyond these walls?</p>
<p class="hangingindent">NORFOLK: <em>(impatient)</em> Very well.</p>
<p class="hangingindent">MORE: <em>(almost whispering)</em> And if the King should command you to repeat what I have said?</p>
<p class="hangingindent">NORFOLK: I should keep my word to you!</p>
<p class="hangingindent">MORE: Then what has become of your oath of obedience to the King?</p>
<p class="hangingindent">NORFOLK: <em>(indignant)</em> You lay traps for me!</p>
<p class="hangingindent">MORE: <em>(now grown calm)</em> No, I show you the times.</p>
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<br><b>Robert Bolt</b> (1924–1995) English dramatist<br><i>A Man for All Seasons</i>, play, Act 1 (1960) 
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In Bolt's 1966 film adaptation, this is slightly <a href="https://www.scripts.com/script/a_man_for_all_seasons_1131/9#:~:text=MORE%20arrests%20him,you%20the%20times.">shortened</a>:<br><br>

<blockquote>MORE: <em>(arrests him; makes a display of looking about, conspiratorial)</em> Have I your word that what we say here is between us two?<br>
NORFOLK: <em>(impatient)</em> Very well.<br>
MORE: And if the King should command you to repeat what I may say?<br>
NORFOLK: I should keep my word to you!<br>
MORE: Then what has become of your oath of obedience to the King?<br>
NORFOLK: <em>(sorts this out; then, astounded)</em> You lay traps for me!<br>
MORE: No, I show you the times.</blockquote><br>



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		<description><![CDATA[CRANMER: Then the matter is capable of question? MORE: Certainly. CRANMER: But that you owe obedience to your King is not capable of question. So weigh a doubt against a certainty &#8212; and sign. MORE: Some men think the Earth is round, others think it flat; it is a matter capable of question. But if [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">CRANMER: Then the matter is capable of question?</p>
<p class="hangingindent">MORE: Certainly.</p>
<p class="hangingindent">CRANMER: But that you owe obedience to your King is not capable of question. So weigh a doubt against a certainty &#8212; and sign.</p>
<p class="hangingindent">MORE: Some men think the Earth is round, others think it flat; it is a matter capable of question. But if it is flat, will the King&#8217;s command make it round? And if it is round, will the King&#8217;s command flatten it? No, I will not sign.</p>
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<br><b>Robert Bolt</b> (1924–1995) English dramatist<br><i>A Man for All Seasons</i>, play, Act 2 (1960) 
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		<title>Bierce, Ambrose -- &#8220;Fashion,&#8221; The Cynic&#8217;s Word Book (1906)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[FASHION, n. A deity whom the wise ridicule, yet the discreet obey. In The Devil&#8217;s Dictionary (1911), it is defined as: &#8220;FASHION, n. A despot whom the wise ridicule and obey.&#8221; Originally published in the &#8220;Devil&#8217;s Dictionary&#8221; column in the San Francisco Wasp (1884-06-28).]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FASHION, <i>n.</i> A deity whom the wise ridicule, yet the discreet obey.</p>
<br><b>Ambrose Bierce</b> (1842–1914?) American writer and journalist<br>&#8220;Fashion,&#8221; <i>The Cynic&#8217;s Word Book</i> (1906) 
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In <i><a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Devil%27s_Dictionary/F#:~:text=FASHION%2C%20n.%20A%20despot%20whom%20the%20wise%20ridicule%20and%20obey.">The Devil's Dictionary</a></i> (1911), it is defined as: "FASHION, <i>n.</i>  A despot whom the wise ridicule and obey."<br><br>

<a href="https://archive.org/details/unabridgeddevils00bier/page/362/mode/2up?q=%22fashion+father%22">Originally published</a> in the "Devil's Dictionary" column in the San Francisco <i>Wasp</i> (1884-06-28).
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		<title>Franklin, Benjamin -- Poor Richard  (1734 ed.)</title>
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<br><b>Benjamin Franklin</b> (1706–1790) American statesman, scientist, philosopher, aphorist<br><i>Poor Richard </i> (1734 ed.) 
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		<title>Thomas a Kempis -- The Imitation of Christ [De Imitatione Christi], Book 1, ch. 20, v.  2 (1.20.2) (c. 1418-27) [tr. Croft/Bolton (1940)]</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No man rules safely unless he is willing to be ruled. No man commands safely unless he has learned well how to obey.</p>
<p><em>[Nemo secure apparet nisi qui libenter latet. Nemo secure præcipit nisi qui obedire didicit.]</em></p>
<br><b>Thomas à Kempis</b> (c. 1380–1471) German-Dutch priest, author<br><i>The Imitation of Christ [De Imitatione Christi]</i>, Book 1, ch. 20, v.  2 (1.20.2) (c. 1418-27) [tr. Croft/Bolton (1940)] 
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See also <a href="https://wist.info/cicero-marcus-tullius/43761/">Cicero</a>. (<a href="https://www.thelatinlibrary.com/kempis/kempis1.shtml#:~:text=Nemo%20secure%20apparet%20nisi%20qui%20libenter%20latet.%20Nemo%20secure%20pr%C3%A6cipit%20nisi%20qui%20obedire%20didicit.">Source (Latin)</a>). Other translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>No man is sure in prelacy, but that he would gladly be a subject: no, none may surely command, but he that hath learned gladly to obey<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.219519/page/n97/mode/2up?q=%22none+may+surely+command%22">Whitford/Raynal</a> (1530/1871)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No man is secure in high position save he who would gladly be a subject. No man can firmly command save he who has learned gladly to obey.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/imitationofchri200thom/page/56/mode/2up?q=%22gladly+to+obey%22">Whitford/Gardiner</a> (1530/1955)]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>No man ruleth safely but he that is ruled willingly, no man securely doth command, but he that hath learned readily to obey.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A13699.0001.001/1:4.20?rgn=div2;view=fulltext#:~:text=No%20man%20ruleth%20safely%20but%20he%0Athat%20is%20ruled%20willingly%2C%20no%20man%20securely%0Adoth%20command%2C%20but%20he%20that%20hath%20lear%E2%88%A3ned%0Areadily%20to%20obey.">Page</a> (1639), 1.20.9]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>No Man is fit to govern who hath not learned how to obey.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/christianspatte00thomgoog/page/n63/mode/2up?q=%22Man+is+%28it+to+govern%5E%22">Stanhope</a> (1696; 1706 ed.)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No man can safely govern, that would not cheerfully become subject; no man can safely command, that has not truly learned to obey.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/imitationchrist01kempgoog/page/n80/mode/2up?q=%22fafely+govern%2C+that%22">Payne</a> (1803), 1.20.4]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No man ruleth safely, but he that is willingly ruled. No man securely doth command, but he that hath learned readily to obey.<br>
[ed. <a href="https://archive.org/details/ofimitationofchr00thom_0/page/42/mode/2up?q=%22No+man+ruleth+safely%22">Parker</a> (1841)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No man can safely govern, that would not willingly be governed; no man can safely command, that has not well learned to obey.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Of_the_Imitation_of_Jesus_Christ/qBZwsQJdQ2QC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22safely%20govern%22">Dibdin</a> (1851), 1.20.3]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No man is safe to govern, but he who would rather live in subjection. No man is safe to command, but he who has learned well how to obey.<br>
[ed. <a href="https://archive.org/details/ofimitationofchr00thom_2/page/32/mode/2up?q=%22safe+to+govern%22">Bagster</a> (1860)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No man safely ruleth but he who loveth to be subject. No man safely commandeth but he who loveth to obey.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://gutenberg.org/cache/epub/1653/pg1653-images.html#chap20:~:text=No%20man%20safely%20ruleth%20but%20he%20who%20loveth%20to%20be%20subject.%20No%20man%20safely%20commandeth%20but%20he%20who%20loveth%20to%20obey.">Benham</a> (1874)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No man doth safely rule, but he that is glad to be ruled. No man doth safely rule, but he that hath learned gladly to obey.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Of_the_Imitation_of_Christ/Book_I/Chapter_XX#:~:text=No%20man%20doth%20safely%20rule,hath%20learned%20gladly%20to%20obey.">Anon.</a> (1901)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No one is safely set above who would not cheerfully be subject. No one safely gives orders but he who has thoroughly learned to obey.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/imitationofchris0000unse_r2o4/page/22/mode/2up?q=%22safely+set%22">Daplyn</a> (1952)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No man can safely command, unless he who has learned to obey well.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/imitationofchris00sher/page/50/mode/2up?q=%22safely+command%22">Sherley-Price</a> (1952)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Never trust yourself [...] to come to the front, unless you would sooner be at the back; to give orders, unless you know how to obey them.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/imitationofchris00knox/page/48/mode/2up?q=%22never+trust+yourself%22">Knox-Oakley</a> (1959), 1.20(b)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No one can safely be in command, but the man who has learned complete obedience.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/imitationofchris0000thom_o4e9/page/64/mode/2up?q=%22no+one+can+safely%22">Knott</a> (1962)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No one governs with safety who is unwilling to be governed. No one gives commands with safety who has not learned well how to obey.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/imitationofchris0000unse_e5i0/page/26/mode/2up?q=%22governs+with+safety%22">Rooney</a> (1979)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No one leads securely except the person who freely serves.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Imitation_of_Christ/JI7AA0GAbUgC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22leads%20securely%22">Creasy</a> (1989)]</blockquote><br>
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		<title>Shawcross, Hartley -- Opening remarks, Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal (4 Dec 1945)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Political loyalty, military obedience are excellent things, but they neither require nor do they justify the commission of patently wicked acts. There comes a point where a man must refuse to answer to his leader if he is also to answer to his conscience. Shawcross was Attorney General of the UK and Chief Prosecutor for [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Political loyalty, military obedience are excellent things, but they neither require nor do they justify the commission of patently wicked acts. There comes a point where a man must refuse to answer to his leader if he is also to answer to his conscience.</p>
<br><b>Hartley Shawcross</b> (1902–2003) English barrister, politician, diplomat<br>Opening remarks, Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal (4 Dec 1945) 
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		<title>Shakespeare, William -- Coriolanus, Act 5, sc. 3, l.  38ff (5.3.38-41) (c. 1608)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="hangingindent">CORIOLANUS:<span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab"><span class="tab">I&#8217;ll never<br />
Be such a gosling to obey instinct; but stand,<br />
As if a man were author of himself,<br />
And knew no other kin.</p>
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<br><b>William Shakespeare</b> (1564–1616) English dramatist and poet<br><i>Coriolanus</i>, Act 5, sc. 3, l.  38ff (5.3.38-41) (c. 1608) 
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		<title>Snow, C. P. -- &#8220;The Moral Un-Neutrality of Science,&#8221; speech, American Association for the Advancement of Science, New York City (27 Dec 1960)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find that far more, and far more hideous, crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion. Reprinted in Science (27 Jan 1961) and then in Public Affairs (1971).]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find that far more, and far more hideous, crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion.</p>
<br><b>C. P. Snow</b> (1905–1980) English novelist, physical chemist, bureaucrat [Charles Percy Snow]<br>&#8220;The Moral Un-Neutrality of Science,&#8221; speech, American Association for the Advancement of Science, New York City (27 Dec 1960) 
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Reprinted in <a href="https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.133.3448.255"><i>Science</i> (27 Jan 1961)</a> and then in <i>Public Affairs</i> (1971).

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		<title>Zappa, Frank -- The Real Frank Zappa Book, ch. 13 &#8220;All About Schmucks&#8221; (1989) [with Peter Occhiogrosso]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you wind up with a boring, miserable life because you listened to your mother, your Dad, your priest, to some guy on television, to any of the people telling you how to do your shit, then you deserve it. Frequently quoted with variations (perhaps from other occasions when Zappa said it), e.g.,: If you [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<br><b>Frank Zappa</b> (1940–1993) American singer-songwriter<br><i>The Real Frank Zappa Book</i>, ch. 13 &#8220;All About Schmucks&#8221; (1989) [with Peter Occhiogrosso] 
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Frequently quoted with variations (perhaps from other occasions when Zappa said it), e.g.,:<br><br>

<blockquote>If you end up with a boring, miserable life because you listened to your mom, your dad, your teacher, your priest, or some guy on television telling you how to do your shit, then you deserve it.</blockquote>





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		<title>Washburn, Lemuel -- Is the Bible Worth Reading and Other Essays, Epigram (1911)</title>
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<br><b>Lemuel K. Washburn</b> (1846–1927) American freethinker, writer<br><i>Is the Bible Worth Reading and Other Essays</i>, Epigram (1911) 
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		<title>Commager, Henry Steele -- Essay (1947-07), &#8220;Who Is Loyal to America?&#8221; sec. 2, Harper&#8217;s Magazine, Vol. 195, No. 1168</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who among American heroes could meet their tests, who would be cleared by their committees? Not Washington, who was a rebel. Not Jefferson, who wrote that all men are created equal and whose motto was &#8220;rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.&#8221; Not Garrison, who publicly burned the Constitution; or Wendell Phillips, who spoke for [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who among American heroes could meet their tests, who would be cleared by their committees? Not Washington, who was a rebel. Not Jefferson, who wrote that all men are created equal and whose motto was &#8220;rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.&#8221; Not Garrison, who publicly burned the Constitution; or Wendell Phillips, who spoke for the underprivileged everywhere and counted himself a philosophical anarchist; not Seward of the Higher Law or Sumner of racial equality. Not Lincoln, who admonished us to have malice toward none, charity for all; or Wilson, who warned that our flag was &#8220;a flag of liberty of opinion as well as of political liberty&#8221;; or Justice Holmes, who said that our Constitution is an experiment and that while that experiment is being made &#8220;we should be eternally vigilant against attempts to check the expression of opinions that we loathe and believe to be fraught with death.&#8221;</p>
<br><b>Henry Steele Commager</b> (1902–1998) American historian, writer, activist<br>Essay (1947-07), &#8220;Who Is Loyal to America?&#8221; sec. 2, <i>Harper&#8217;s Magazine</i>, Vol. 195, No. 1168 
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<a href="https://archive.org/details/freedomloyaltydi00comm/page/148/mode/2up?q=%22or+wendell%22">Reprinted</a> in <i>Freedom, Loyalty, Dissent</i> (1954)
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		<title>Holland, Barbara -- The Name of the Cat (1998)</title>
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<br><b>Barbara Holland</b> (1933–2010) American author<br><i>The Name of the Cat</i> (1998) 
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		<title>Lovecraft, H. P. -- &#8220;Cats and Dogs&#8221; (23 Nov 1926), Leaves (Summer 1937)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Throw a stick, and the servile dog wheezes and pants and shambles to bring it to you. Do the same before a cat, and he will eye you with coolly polite and somewhat bored amusement. Reprinted as &#8220;Something about Cats&#8221; in Something About Cats: And Other Pieces (1949) [ed. Derleth].]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Throw a stick, and the servile dog wheezes and pants and shambles to bring it to you. Do the same before a cat, and he will eye you with coolly polite and somewhat bored amusement.</p>
<br><b>H. P. Lovecraft</b> (1890–1937) American fabulist [Howard Phillips Lovecraft]<br>&#8220;Cats and Dogs&#8221; (23 Nov 1926), <i>Leaves</i> (Summer 1937) 
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Reprinted as "Something about Cats" in <em>Something About Cats: And Other Pieces</em> (1949) [ed. Derleth].						</span>
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		<title>Thoreau, Henry David -- Essay (1849-05), &#8220;Resistance to Civil Government [On the Duty of Civil Disobedience],&#8221; Æsthetic Papers, No. 1, Article 10</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Others, as most legislators, politicians, lawyers, ministers, and office-holders, serve the state chiefly with their heads; and, as they rarely make any moral distinctions, they are as likely to serve the devil, without intending it, as God. Based on an 1848 lecture at the Concord Lyceum.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Others, as most legislators, politicians, lawyers, ministers, and office-holders, serve the state chiefly with their heads; and, as they rarely make any moral distinctions, they are as likely to serve the devil, without <em>intending</em> it, as God.</p>
<br><b>Henry David Thoreau</b> (1817–1862) American philosopher and writer<br>Essay (1849-05), &#8220;Resistance to Civil Government [On the Duty of Civil Disobedience],&#8221; <i>Æsthetic Papers</i>, No. 1, Article 10 
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		<title>Thoreau, Henry David -- Essay (1849-05), &#8220;Resistance to Civil Government [On the Duty of Civil Disobedience],&#8221; Æsthetic Papers, No. 1, Article 10</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Law never made men a whit more just; and, by means of their respect for it, even the well-disposed are daily made the agents of injustice. A common and natural result of an undue respect for the law is, that you may see a file of soldiers, colonel, captain, corporal, privates, powder-monkeys and all, marching [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Law never made men a whit more just; and, by means of their respect for it, even the well-disposed are daily made the agents of injustice. A common and natural result of an undue respect for the law is, that you may see a file of soldiers, colonel, captain, corporal, privates, powder-monkeys and all, marching in admirable order over hill and dale to the wars, against their wills, aye, against their common sense and consciences, which makes it very steep marching indeed, and produces a palpitation of the heart. They have no doubt that it is a damnable business in which they are concerned; they are all peaceably inclined. Now, what are they? Men at all? or small movable forts and magazines, at the service of some unscrupulous man in power?</p>
<br><b>Henry David Thoreau</b> (1817–1862) American philosopher and writer<br>Essay (1849-05), &#8220;Resistance to Civil Government [On the Duty of Civil Disobedience],&#8221; <i>Æsthetic Papers</i>, No. 1, Article 10 
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Based on an 1848 lecture at the Concord Lyceum.
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		<title>Sophocles -- Antigone, l.  665ff [Creon] (441 BC) [tr. Fitts/Fitzgerald (1939), l. 525ff]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I’ll have no dealings With law-breakers, critics of the government: Whoever is chosen to govern should be obeyed –– Must be obeyed, in all things, great and small, Just and unjust! O Haimon, The man who knows how to obey, and that man only, Knows how to give commands when the time comes. You can [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ll have no dealings<br />
With law-breakers, critics of the government:<br />
Whoever is chosen to govern should be obeyed ––<br />
Must be obeyed, in all things, great and small,<br />
Just and unjust! O Haimon,<br />
The man who knows how to obey, and that man only,<br />
Knows how to give commands when the time comes.<br />
You can depend on him, no matter how fast<br />
The spears come: he’s a good soldier, he’ll stick it out.<br />
Anarchy, anarchy! Show me a greater evil!<br />
This is why cities tumble and the great houses rain down,<br />
This is what scatters armies!<br />
No, no: good lives are made so by discipline.<br />
We keep the laws then, and the lawmakers.</p>
<br><b>Sophocles</b> (496–406 BC) Greek tragic playwright<br><i>Antigone</i>, l.  665ff [Creon] (441 BC) [tr. Fitts/Fitzgerald (1939), l. 525ff] 
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Alt. trans.:<br><br>

<blockquote>But whoso wantonly<br>
Or strains the laws or sets about dictating<br>
To those who rule, it is not possible<br>
That such a one should ever earn my praise.<br>
No! when a city constitutes a chief,<br>
It well befitteth all men to obey<br>
His great or small, just or unjust behests.<br>
And I should confidently trust that he,<br>
Whose law is such, would from fixed habitude<br>
Both wisely rule and loyally obey.<br>
he too, when posted in the battled line,<br>
Amid the storm of fight, would keep his ground,<br>
Brave and unswerving by his comrade's side.<br>
There is no greater ill than disobedience.<br>
'Tis this which ruins cities: this it is<br>
Which works the downfall of a noble house.<br>
And when, in battle, spear is locked with spear,<br>
'Tis this again which breaks and routes the phalanx.<br>
But when men keep the line, their discipline<br>
For the most part ensures their safety. Thus,<br>
It is our duty still to aid the laws.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Antigone_of_Sophocles_in_Greek_and_E/HMQNAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA65&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22but%20whoso%20wantonly%22">Donaldson</a> (1848)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But he who overbears the laws, or thinks <br>
To overrule his rulers, such as one<br>
I never will allow.  Whome'er the State<br>
Appoints must be obeyed in everything,<br>
But small and great, just and unjust alike.<br>
I warrant such a one in either case<br>
Would shine, as King or subject; such a man<br>
Would in the storm of battle stand his ground,<br>
A comrade leal and true; but Anarchy --<br>
What evils are not wrought by Anarchy!<br>
She ruins States, and overthrows the home,<br>
She dissipates and routs the embattled host;<br>
While discipline preserves the ordered ranks.<br>
Therefore we must maintain authority.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/31/31-h/31-h.htm#linkantigone:~:text=But%20he%20who%20overbears%20the%20laws%2C,Therefore%20we%20must%20maintain%20authority">Campbell</a> (1873)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But he that wantonly defies the law,<br>
Or thinks to dictate to authority,<br>
Shall have no praise from me. What power soe'er<br>
The city hath ordained, must be obeyed<br>
In little things and great things, right or wrong.<br>
The man who so obeys, I have good hope<br>
Will govern and be governed as he ought,<br>
And in the storm of battle at my side<br>
Will stand a faithful and a trusty comrade.<br>
But what more fatal than the lapse of rule?<br>
This ruins cities, this lays houses waste,<br>
This joins with the assault of war to break<br>
Full numbered armies into hopeless rout;<br>
And in the unbroken host 'tis nought but rule<br>
That keeps those many bodies from defeat,<br>
I must be zealous to defend the law.<br>
[tr. <a href="http://www.loyalbooks.com/download/text/Electra-Sophocles.txt#:~:text=But%20he%20that%20wantonly%20defies%20the,be%20zealous%20to%20defend%20the%20law%2C">Storr</a> (1859)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But if anyone oversteps and does violence to the laws, or thinks to dictate to those in power, such a one will never win praise from me. No, whomever the city may appoint, that man must be obeyed in matters small and great and in matters just and unjust. And I would feel confident that such a man would be a fine ruler no less than a good and willing subject, and that beneath a hail of spears he would stand his ground where posted, a loyal and brave comrade in the battle line. But there is no evil worse than disobedience. This destroys cities; this overturns homes; this breaks the ranks of allied spears into headlong rout. But the lives of men who prosper upright, of these obedience has saved the greatest part. Therefore we must defend those who respect order.<br>
[tr. <a href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0186%3Acard%3D631#text_main:~:text=But%20if%20anyone%20oversteps%20and%20does,must%20defend%20those%20who%20respect%20order">Jebb</a> (1891)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But if any one transgresses, and does violence to the laws, or thinks to dictate to his rulers, such an on can win no praise from me. No, whomsoever the city may appoint, that man must be obeyed, in little things and great, in just things and unjust; and I should feel sure that one who thus obey would be a good ruler no less than a good subject, and in the storm of spears would stand his ground where he was set, loyal and dauntless at his comrade's side. But disobedience is the worst of evils. This it is that ruins cities; this makes homes desolate; by this, the ranks of allies are broken into headlong rout; but, of the lives whose course is fair, the greater part owes safety to obedience. Therefore we must support the cause of order.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Tragedies_of_Sophocles_(Jebb_1917)/Antigone#pageindex_161:~:text=But%20disobedience%20is%20the%20worst%20of,must%20support%20the%20cause%20of%20order">Jebb</a> (1917), l. 661ff]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>To transgress<br>
Or twist the law to one’s own pleasure, presume<br>
To order where one should obey, is sinful,<br>
And I will have none of it.<br>
He whom the State appoints must be obeyed<br>
To the smallest matter, be it right -- or wrong.<br>
And he that rules his household, without a doubt,<br>
Will make the wisest king, or, for that matter,<br>
The staunchest subject. He will be the man<br>
You can depend on in the storm of war,<br>
The faithfullest comrade in the day of battle.<br>
There is no more deadly peril than disobedience;<br>
States are devoured by it, homes laid in ruins,<br>
Armies defeated, victory turned to rout.<br>
While simple obedience saves the lives of hundreds<br>
Of honest folk. Therefore, I hold to the law,<br>
And will never betray it.<br>
[tr. <a href="http://images.pcmac.org/SiSFiles/Schools/PA/GreenvilleArea/GreenvilleJrSrHigh/Uploads/DocumentsSubCategories/Documents/Antigone--E.F._Watling_1.pdf">Watling</a> (1947), l. 559ff]</blockquote><br>


<blockquote>But whoever steps out of line, violates the laws<br>
or presumes to hand out orders to his superiors,<br>
he'll win no praise from me. But that man<br>
the city places in authority, his orders<br>
must be obeyed, large and small, <br>
right and wrong. Anarchy -- <br>
show me a greater crime in all the earth!<br>
She, she destroys cities, rips up houses,<br>
breaks the ranks of spearmen into headlong rout.<br>
But the ones who last it out, the great mass of them<br>
owe their lives to discipline. Therefore<br>
we must defend the men who live by law.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.olma.org/ourpages/auto/2013/9/5/51879406/Antigone.pdf">Fagles</a> (1982), l. 741ff]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>So, if someone goes too far and breaks the law,<br>
Or tries to tell his masters what to do,<br>
He will have nothing but contempt from me.<br>
But when a city takes a leader, you must obey,<br>
Whether his commands are trivial, or right, or wrong.<br>
But reject one man ruling another, and that's the worst.<br>
Anarchy tears up a city, divides a home,<br>
Defeats an alliance of spears.<br>
But when people stay in line and obey,<br>
Their lives and everything else are safe.<br>
For this reason, order must be maintained.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Antigone/4180HoH81RgC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PP1&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22someone%20goes%20too%20far%22">Woodruff</a> (2001), l. 662ff]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>He who violates the laws of the gods and his city, or wants to command its leaders, will never gain my respect. We must obey those whom the city has ordained to be its leaders. We should obey them, unquestioningly, in all things, minor or great, those we agree with and those we oppose. I believe such a man would govern well and he’d also be an obedient servant; and he’d stay at his post even in the hurricane of war, honourably, bravely defending his country. There’s no worse evil than anarchy. Anarchy destroys nations, my son. Anarchy destroys homes. Anarchy turns the spears of allies into fleeing cowards. Those men left standing, the survivors, have been saved by discipline. That’s why each man must protect, with all his might, law and order.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Greek/Antigone.php#content:~:text=Whereas%20he%20who%20violates%20the%20laws,all%20his%20might%2C%20law%20and%20order">Theodoridis</a> (2004)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>But anyone who’s proud<br>
and violates our laws or thinks he’ll tell<br>
our leaders what to do, a man like that<br>
wins no praise from me. No. We must obey   <br>
whatever man the city puts in charge,<br>
no matter what the issue -- great or small,<br>
just or unjust. For there’s no greater evil<br>
than a lack of leadership. That destroys<br>
whole cities, turns households into ruins,<br>
and in war makes soldiers break and run away.<br>
When men succeed, what keeps their lives secure<br>
in almost every case is their obedience.<br>
That’s why they must support those in control.<br>
[tr. <a href="http://johnstoi.web.viu.ca//sophocles/antigone.htm#:~:text=But%20anyone%20who%E2%80%99s%20proud,they%20must%20support%20those%20in%20control%2C">Johnston</a> (2005), l. 757ff ] </blockquote>


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		<title>Cicero, Marcus Tullius -- De Legibus [On the Laws], Book 3, ch.  2 / sec.  5 (3.2/3.5) [Marcus] (c. 51 BC) [tr. Keyes (1928)]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[For the man who rules efficiently must have obeyed others in the past, and the man who obeys dutifully appears fit at some later time to be a ruler. [Nam et qui bene imperat, paruerit aliquando necesse est, et qui modeste paret, videtur qui aliquando imperet dignus esse.] (Source (Latin)). Other translations: For in order [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the man who rules efficiently must have obeyed others in the past, and the man who obeys dutifully appears fit at some later time to be a ruler.</p>
<p><em>[Nam et qui bene imperat, paruerit aliquando necesse est, et qui modeste paret, videtur qui aliquando imperet dignus esse.]</em></p>
<br><b>Marcus Tullius Cicero</b> (106–43 BC) Roman orator, statesman, philosopher<br><i>De Legibus [On the Laws]</i>, Book 3, ch.  2 / sec.  5 (3.2/3.5) [Marcus] (c. 51 BC) [tr. Keyes (1928)] 
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(<a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2007.01.0030%3Abook%3D3%3Asection%3D5#:~:text=Nam%20et%20qui%20bene%20imperat%2C%20paruerit%20aliquando%20necesse%20est%2C%20et%20qui%20modeste%20paret%2C%20uidetur%20qui%20aliquando%20imperet%20dignus%20esse.">Source (Latin)</a>). Other translations:<br><br>

<blockquote>For in order to command well, we should know how to submit; and he who submits with a good grace will some time become worthy of commanding.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/_/7C-1pvEYmIQC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22in%20order%20to%20command%20well%22">Barham</a> (1842)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>For he who commands well, must at some time or other have obeyed; and he who obeys with modesty appears worthy of some day or other being allowed to command.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/treatisesofcicer00ciceuoft/page/462/mode/2up?q=%22For+he+who+commands+well%22">Barham/Yonge</a> (1878)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>A man who exercises power effectively will at some stage have to obey others, and one who quietly executes orders shows that he deserves, eventually, to wield power himself.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/republicandlaws0000cice/page/150/mode/2up?q=%22will+at+some+stage%22">Rudd</a> (1998)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>For the good commander must necessarily at some time be obedient, and the person who is properly obedient seems like someone worthy at some time of commanding. <br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Cicero_On_the_Commonwealth_and_On_the_La/i-Lg2gXcMkgC?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22good%20commander%20must%22">Zetzel</a> (1999)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>For it is necessary that he who commands well should obey at some time, and he who temperately obeys seems to be worthy of commanding at some time.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/On_the_Republic_and_On_the_Laws/Rm1UAgAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover&bsq=%22he%20who%20commands%20well%22">Fott</a> (2013)]</blockquote><br>
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		<title>Grimke, Angelina -- &#8220;Appeal to the Christian Women of the South,&#8221; Anti-Slavery Examiner (Sep 1836)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[If a law commands me to sin I will break it; if it calls me to suffer, I will let it take its course unresistingly. The doctrine of blind obedience and unqualified submission to any human power, whether civil or ecclesiastical, is the doctrine of despotism, and ought to have no place among Republicans and [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>If</em> a law commands me to sin <em>I will break it;</em> <em>if</em> it calls me to <em>suffer</em>, I will let it take its course <em>unresistingly</em>. The doctrine of blind obedience and unqualified submission to <em>any human power</em>, whether civil or ecclesiastical, is the doctrine of despotism, and ought to have no place among Republicans and Christians.</p>
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		<title>Sinclair, Upton -- The Profits of Religion, Book Two: &#8220;The Church of Good Society,&#8221; &#8220;The Canonization of Incompetence&#8221; (1917)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The supreme crime of the church to-day is that everywhere and in all its operations and influences it is on the side of sloth of mind; that it banishes brains, it sanctifies stupidity, it canonizes incompetence.</p>
<br><b>Upton Sinclair</b> (1878–1968) American writer, journalist, activist, politician<br><i>The Profits of Religion</i>, Book Two: &#8220;The Church of Good Society,&#8221; &#8220;The Canonization of Incompetence&#8221; (1917) 
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		<title>Arendt, Hannah -- Essay (1964-08), &#8220;Personal Responsibility Under Dictatorship,&#8221; The Listener Magazine</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The total moral collapse of respectable society during the Hitler regime may teach us that under such circumstances those who cherish values and hold fast to moral norms and standards are not reliable: we now know that moral norms and standards can be changed overnight, and that all that then will be left is the [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="tab">The total moral collapse of respectable society during the Hitler regime may teach us that under such circumstances those who cherish values and hold fast to moral norms and standards are not reliable: we now know that moral norms and standards can be changed overnight, and that all that then will be left is the mere habit of holding fast to something.<br />
<span class="tab">Much more reliable will be the doubters and skeptics, not because skepticism is good or doubting wholesome, but because they are used to examine things and to make up their own minds.<br />
<span class="tab">Best of all will be those who know only one thing for certain: that whatever else happens, as long as we live we shall have to live together with ourselves.</span></span></span></p>
<br><b>Hannah Arendt</b> (1906–1975) German-American philosopher, political theorist<br>Essay (1964-08), &#8220;Personal Responsibility Under Dictatorship,&#8221; <i>The Listener</i> Magazine 
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<a href="https://archive.org/details/responsibilityju0000aren/page/44/mode/2up?q=%22total+moral+collapse%22&view=theater">Collected</a> in <i>Responsibility and Judgment</i>, Part 1 "Responsibility" (2003).




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		<title>Arendt, Hannah -- Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil, ch. 14 (1963)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the lesson of such stories is simple and within everybody&#8217;s grasp. Politically speaking, it is that under conditions of terror, most people will comply but <i>some people will not,</i> just as the lesson of the countries to which the Final Solution was proposed is that &#8220;it could happen&#8221; in most places but <i>it did not happen everywhere.</i> Humanly speaking, no more is required, and no more can reasonably be asked, for this planet to remain a place fit for human habitation.</p>
<br><b>Hannah Arendt</b> (1906–1975) German-American philosopher, political theorist<br><i>Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil</i>, ch. 14 (1963) 
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		<title>Thomas Aquinas -- Commentary on the Sentences of Peter Lombard [Scriptum super libros Sententiarium], Book 2, dist. 44, quest. 2, art. 2 (1252-56) [tr. Dyson (2002)]</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now the abuse of authority can be of two kinds. First, when what is commanded by the ruler is contrary to the purpose for which the ruler was appointed: for example, if some sinful act is commanded contrary to the virtue which the ruler is ordained to foster and preserve. In this case, not only is one not bound to obey the ruler, but one is bound not to obey him, as in the case of the holy martyrs who suffered death rather than obey the ungodly commands of tyrants.</p>
<p>Second, when what is demanded goes beyond what the order of authority can require: if, for example, a master were to exact a payment which a servant is not bound to give, or something of the kind. In this case the subject is not bound to obey; nor, however, is he bound not to obey.</p>
<br><b>Thomas Aquinas</b> (1225–1274) Italian friar, philosopher, theologian<br><i>Commentary on the Sentences of Peter Lombard [Scriptum super libros Sententiarium]</i>, Book 2, dist. 44, quest. 2, art. 2 (1252-56) [tr. Dyson (2002)] 
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Alt. trans. [<a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Aquinas/p60gfjN-GscC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22sinful%20action%20is%20commanded%22">Dawson</a>]: 
<blockquote>With regard to the abuse of authority, this also may come about in two ways. First, when what is ordered by an authority is opposed to the object for which that authority was constituted (if, for example, some sinful action is commanded or one which is contrary to virtue, when it is precisely for the protection and fostering of virtue that authority is instituted). In such a case, not only is there no obligation to obey the authority, but one is obliged to disobey it, as did the holy martyrs who suffered death rather than obey the impious commands of tyrants. <br><br>

Secondly, when those who bear such authority command things which exceed the competence of such authority; as, for example, when a master demands payment from a servant which the latter is not bound to make, and other similar cases. In this instance the subject is free to obey or disobey.</blockquote>
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		<title>Douglass, Frederick -- Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass, ch. 6 [Mr. Auld] (1845)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;If you give a nigger an inch, he will take an ell. A nigger should know nothing but to obey his master &#8212; to do as he is told to do. Learning will spoil the best nigger in the world. Now, if you teach that nigger how to read, there would be no keeping him. [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<br><b>Frederick Douglass</b> (1817–1895) American abolitionist, orator, writer<br><i>Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass</i>, ch. 6 [Mr. Auld] (1845) 
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Quoting his master, Auld, chastising Mrs. Auld for teaching Douglass to read. Frequently paraphrased down to "Knowledge makes a man unfit to be a slave."						</span>
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		<title>Baldwin, James -- &#8220;The Negro Child &#8212; His Self-Image,&#8221; speech (16 Oct 1963)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The paradox of education is precisely this &#8212; that as one begins to become conscious one begins to examine the society in which he is being educated.  The purpose of education, finally, is to create in a person the ability to look at the world for himself, to make his own decisions, to say to himself this is black or this is white, to decide for himself whether there is a God in heaven or not.  To ask questions of the universe, and then learn to live with those questions, is the way he achieves his own identity.  But no society is really anxious to have that kind of person around.  What societies really, ideally, want is a citizenry which will simply obey the rules of society.  If a society succeeds in this, that society is about to perish.  The obligation of anyone who thinks of himself as responsible is to examine society and try to change it and to fight it -– at no matter what risk.  This is the only hope society has.  This is the only way societies change.</p>
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<br><b>James Baldwin</b> (1924–1987) American novelist, playwright, activist<br>&#8220;The Negro Child &#8212; His Self-Image,&#8221; speech (16 Oct 1963) 
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Speech to educators, first published as "A Talk to Teachers," <i>The Saturday Review</i> (21 Dec 1963). The thesis above is restatated at the end in these words, more frequently quoted: "I began by saying that one of the paradoxes of education was that precisely at the point when you begin to develop a conscience, you must find yourself at war with your society.  It is your responsibility to change society if you think of yourself as an educated person."						</span>
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		<title>Stevenson, Robert Louis -- The Amateur Emigrant (1880)</title>
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<br><b>Robert Louis Stevenson</b> (1850–1894) Scottish essayist, novelist, poet<br><i>The Amateur Emigrant</i> (1880) 
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		<title>Orwell, George -- Essay (1948-06), &#8220;&#8216;Such, Such Were the Joys &#8230;&#8217;,&#8221; Partisan Review (1952-09)</title>
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<br><b>George Orwell</b> (1903–1950) English journalist, essayist, writer [pseud. of Eric Arthur Blair]<br>Essay (1948-06), &#8220;&#8216;Such, Such Were the Joys &#8230;&#8217;,&#8221; <i>Partisan Review</i> (1952-09) 
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This autobiographical essay was drafted around 1939, revised around 1946, and then completed in May or June of 1948.  Collected in <i>Such, Such Were the Joys</i>, essay  8 (1953), though the full, unredacted version was not published until 2000. 
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		<title>Lewis, C.S. -- The Problem of Pain (1940)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The doors of Hell are locked on the inside. I do not mean that the ghosts may not wish to come out of Hell, in the vague fashion wherein an envious man &#8220;wishes&#8221; to be happy: but they certainly do not will even the first preliminary stages of that self-abandonment through which alone the soul can reach any good. They enjoy forever the horrible freedom they have demanded, and are therefore self-enslaved: just as the blessed, forever submitting to obedience, become through all eternity more and more free.</p>
<br><b>C. S. Lewis</b> (1898–1963) English writer, literary scholar, lay theologian [Clive Staples Lewis]
<br><i>The Problem of Pain</i> (1940) 
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		<title>Dylan, Bob -- &#8220;Gotta Serve Somebody&#8221; (1979)</title>
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<br><b>Bob Dylan</b> (b. 1941) American singer, songwriter<br>&#8220;Gotta Serve Somebody&#8221; (1979) 
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		<title>Eisenhower, Dwight David -- Speech, Conference of the Society for Personnel Administration (12 May 1954)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I think, speaking roughly, by leadership we mean the art of getting someone else to do something that you want done because he wants to do it, not because your position of power can compel him to do it, or your position of authority. A commander of a regiment is not necessarily a leader. He has all of the appurtenances of power given by a set of Army regulations by which he can compel unified action. He can say to a body such as this, &#8220;Rise,&#8221; and &#8220;Sit down.&#8221; You do it exactly. But that is not leadership.</p>
<br><b>Dwight David Eisenhower</b> (1890–1969) American general, US President (1953–61)<br>Speech, Conference of the Society for Personnel Administration (12 May 1954) 
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		<title>Fuller, Thomas (1654) -- Introductio ad Prudentiam, Vol. 1, # 1067 (1725)</title>
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		<title>Holmes, Oliver Wendell, Jr. -- &#8220;The Path of the Law,&#8221; speech, Boston University School of Law on (8 Jan 1897)</title>
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<br><b>Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.</b> (1841–1935) American jurist, Supreme Court Justice<br>&#8220;The Path of the Law,&#8221; speech, Boston University School of Law on (8 Jan 1897) 
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		<title>Milgram, Stanley -- Obedience To Authority, ch. 1 (1974)</title>
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<br><b>Stanley Milgram</b> (1933–1984) American social psychologist<br><i>Obedience To Authority</i>, ch. 1 (1974) 
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		<description><![CDATA[Let them hate me, so long as they fear me. [Óderint, dum métuant.] A fragment from Accius&#8217; work, known only by its quotation by others. The phrase was often used by classical writers as a hallmark of a tyrannical ruler. This includes: Cicero, Pro Sestio, 48/102 (where he regrets that Accius had &#8220;used words for [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p><em>[Óderint, dum métuant.]</em></p>
<br><b>Accius</b> (170-c. 86 BC) Roman tragic poet, literary scholar [Lucius Accius, Lucius Attius]<br><i>Atreus</i> (fragment 168) [tr. Kline (2010)] 
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A fragment from Accius' work, known only by its quotation by others. The phrase was often used by classical writers as a hallmark of a tyrannical ruler.  This includes:

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	<li><a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0014%3Atext%3DSest.%3Asection%3D102#:~:text=%E2%80%9Co/derint%2C%20dum%20me/tuant%3B">Cicero, <i>Pro Sestio</i>, 48/102</a> (where he regrets that Accius had "used words for evil-minded men to lay hold of").</li>
	<li><a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.02.0011:text=Phil.:speech=1:chapter=14&highlight=oderint">Cicero, <i>Philippics</i> 1.14</a></li>
	<li><a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:2007.01.0047:book=1:section=97&highlight=oderint">Cicero, <i>De Officiis</i>, 1.28/97</a>.</li>
	<li><a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:2007.01.0014:book=1:chapter=20&highlight=oderint#:~:text=Oderint%2C%20dum%20metuant">Seneca the Younger, <i>De Ira</i>, 1.20.4</a> (referring to the line as "dread and abominable").</li>
	<li><a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:2007.01.0015:book=1:chapter=12&highlight=oderint">Seneca the Younger, <i>De Clementia</i>, 1.12</a>.</li>
	<li><a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.02.0132:life=cal.:chapter=30&highlight=oderint">Suetonius, <em>Life of Caligula,</em> 30.1</a> (noting that the emperor liked to quote it).</li>
	<li><a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.02.0132:life=tib.:chapter=59&highlight=oderint">Suetonius, <em>Life of Tiberius</em>, 59</a> (quoting Caligula, and contrasting to Tiberius use of the similar <em>Oderint dum probent</em> ("Let them hate me so long as they approve [of my deeds]").</li>
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(<a href="https://archive.org/details/L314RemainsOfOldLatinIILiviusAndonicusNaeviusPacuviusAccius/page/n413/mode/2up?q=%22oderint+dum+metuant%22">Source (Latin)</a>). Other translations (from the above works):<br><br>

<blockquote>Ev'n let them hate me, whilst they dread me too.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/officeswithlaeli00cice/page/42/mode/2up?q=%22Ev%27n+let+them+hate%22">Cockman</a> (1699)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let them hate me, provided they fear me.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Treatise_of_Cicero_De_Officiis_Or_Hi/rvdPAAAAYAAJ?gbpv=1&bsq=%22let%20them%20hate%22">McCartney</a> (1798)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let them hate me, so they fear me.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Cicero_s_Three_Books_of_Offices/5ZZJAAAAYAAJ?gbpv=1&bsq=%22let%20them%20hate%22">Edmonds</a> (1865)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>I scorn their hatred, if they do but fear me.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/6389/pg6389-images.html#:~:text=I%20scorn%20their%20hatred%2C%20if%20they%20do%20but%20fear%20me.">Thomson</a> (1883)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>No matter how they hate me while they fear me.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://oll.libertyfund.org/titles/cicero-on-moral-duties-de-officiis#:~:text=No%20matter%20how%20they%20hate%20me%20while%20they%20fear%20me">Peabody</a> (1883)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let them hate, provided they fear me!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/M_T_Ciceronis_oratio_pro_P_Sestio_tr_by/ro5o55KcLXQC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22let%20them%20hate%22">Hickie</a> (1888)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let them hate me, as long as they fear.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0020%3Atext%3DSest.%3Asection%3D102#:~:text=Let%20them%20hate%20me%2C%20as%20long%20as%20they%20fear.">Yonge</a> (1891)]</blockquote><br>



<blockquote>Let them hate, so long as they fear.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/deofficiis00cicegoog/page/n65/mode/2up?q=%22let+them+hate%22">Gardiner</a> (1899)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let them hate me, provided they fear me.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Of_Anger/Book_I#XX.:~:text=Let%20them%20hate%20me%2C%20provided%20they%20fear%20me">Stewart</a> (1900)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Why, let them hate me, if they fear me too!<br>
[tr. <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Of_Clemency/Book_I#XII.:~:text=Why%2C%20let%20them%20hate%20me%2C%20if%20they%20fear%20me%20too!">Stewart</a> (1900)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>What care I though all men should hate my name,<br>
So long as fear accompanies their hate?<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0021%3Aspeech%3D1%3Achapter%3D14#:~:text=What%20care%20I%20though%20all%20men%20should%20hate%20my%20name%2C%0ASo%20long%20as%20fear%20accompanies%20their%20hate">Yonge</a> (1903)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let them hate provided that they fear.<br>
[ed. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Dictionary_of_Quotations_classical/2rSZy0yVFm8C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22provided%20that%20they%20fear%22">Harbottle</a> (1906); tr. <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Seneca_Moral_and_Political_Essays/k0zEAgAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22let%20them%20hate%20provided%22">Cooper</a> (1995)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let them hate me, so they but fear me.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Suetonius/12Caesars/Caligula*.html#:~:text=Let%20them%20hate%20me%2C%20so%20they%20but%20fear%20me.">Rolfe</a> (Loeb) (1913)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let them hate, if only they fear.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2007.01.0048%3Abook%3D1%3Asection%3D97#:~:text=Let%20them%20hate%2C%20if%20only%20they%20fear">Miller</a> (1913), <a href="https://archive.org/details/moral-essays-de-consolatione-ad-marciam-de-vita-beata-de/page/160/mode/2up?q=%22words+let+them+hate+if%22">Basore</a> (1928)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let them hate, so but they fear.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://www.attalus.org/cicero/sestius2.html#:~:text=Let%20them%20hate%2C%20so%20but%20they%20fear">Gardner</a> (Loeb) (1958)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let them hate me, as long as they fear me.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://aleatorclassicus.wordpress.com/2010/11/20/accius-atreus-fragment-168/">@aleator</a> (2010)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>They can hate as long as they are in fear.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://archive.org/details/deofficiisonduti00cice/page/46/mode/2up?q=%22they+can+hate%22">Edinger</a> (1974)]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let them hate, so long as they fear.<br>
[tr. <a href="https://ia801704.us.archive.org/11/items/seneca-on-anger-kaster/Seneca%20-%20%27%27On%20Anger%27%27%20%5Bkaster%5D.pdf+page=19">Kaster</a>]</blockquote><br>

<blockquote>Let them hate me, so long as they fear me.<br>
[<a href="https://facultystaff.richmond.edu/~wstevens/history331texts/caligula.html#:~:text=Let%20them%20hate%20me%2C%20so%20long%20as%20they%20fear%20me.">Source</a>]</blockquote><br>						</span>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a powerful craving in most of us to see ourselves as instruments in the hands of others and thus free ourselves from the responsibility for acts which are prompted by our own questionable inclinations and impulses. Both the strong and the weak grasp at this alibi. The latter hide their malevolence under the virtue of obedience: they acted dishonorably because they had to obey orders. The strong, too, claim absolution by proclaiming themselves the chosen instrument of a higher power &#8212; God, history, fate, nation or humanity. </p>
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<br><b>Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.</b> (1809–1894) American poet, essayist, scholar<br>Article (1860-09), &#8220;The Professor&#8217;s Story [Elsie Venner],&#8221; ch. 18, <i>Atlantic Monthly</i>, Vol. 6, No. 35 
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Originally serialized as “The Professor’s Story,” but <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Elsie_Venner/Chapter_XVIII#:~:text=If%20a%20man%20has%20a%20genuine%2C%20sincere%2C%20hearty%20wish%20to%20get%20rid%20of%20his%20liberty%2C%20if%20he%20is%20really%20bent%20upon%20becoming%20a%20slave%2C%20nothing%20can%20stop%20him.%20And%20the%20temptation%20is%20to%20some%20natures%20a%20very%20great%20one.">collected</a> as the novel <i>Elsie Venner</i>, ch. 18 (1861).
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		<title>Hoffer, Eric -- True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements, Part 2, ch.  5, §  26 (1951)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unless a man has talents to make something of himself, freedom is an irksome burden. Of what avail is freedom to choose if the self be ineffectual? We join a mass movement to escape individual responsibility, or, in the words of the ardent young Nazi, &#8220;to be free from freedom.&#8221; It was not sheer hypocrisy [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless a man has talents to make something of himself, freedom is an irksome burden. Of what avail is freedom to choose if the self be ineffectual? We join a mass movement to escape individual responsibility, or, in the words of the ardent young Nazi, &#8220;to be free from freedom.&#8221; It was not sheer hypocrisy when the rank-and-file Nazis declared themselves not guilty of all the enormities they had committed. They considered themselves cheated and maligned when made to shoulder responsibility for obeying orders. Had they not joined the Nazi movement in order to be free from responsibility?</p>
<br><b>Eric Hoffer</b> (1902–1983) American writer, philosopher, longshoreman<br><i>True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements</i>, Part 2, ch.  5, §  26 (1951) 
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		<title>Toynbee, Arnold -- A Study of History, 3.370 (1934)</title>
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<br><b>Arnold Toynbee</b> (1889–1975) English historian<br><i>A Study of History</i>, 3.370 (1934) 
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		<title>Adams, John -- Essay (1775-03-06), &#8220;Novanglus,&#8221; No.  7, Boston Gazette</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[For metaphysicians and politicians may dispute forever, but they will never find any other moral principle or foundation of rule or obedience, than the consent of governors and governed. This series of essays was written by Adams under the pseudonym of &#8220;Novanglus&#8221; (Latin for &#8220;New England&#8221;), responding to essays from his past friend Daniel Leonard [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<br><b>John Adams</b> (1735–1826) American lawyer, Founder, statesman; US President (1797–1801)<br>Essay (1775-03-06), &#8220;Novanglus,&#8221; No.  7, <i>Boston Gazette</i> 
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This <a href="https://allthingsliberty.com/2021/05/massachusettensis-and-novanglus-the-last-great-debate-prior-to-the-american-revolution/">series of essays</a> was written by Adams under the pseudonym of "Novanglus" (Latin for "New England"), responding to essays from his past friend Daniel Leonard as "Massachusettensis" on colonial leadership and what the proper relationship was between the American colonies and Britain.						</span>
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		<title>Voltaire -- Questions sur les miracles (1765)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Formerly there were those who said: You believe things that are incomprehensible, inconsistent, impossible because we have commanded you to believe them; go then and do what is unjust because we command it. Such people show admirable reasoning. Truly, whoever is able to make you absurd is able to make you unjust. If the God-given [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Formerly there were those who said: You believe things that are incomprehensible, inconsistent, impossible because we have commanded you to believe them; go then and do what is unjust because we command it. Such people show admirable reasoning. Truly, whoever is able to make you absurd is able to make you unjust. If the God-given understanding of your mind does not resist a demand to believe what is impossible, then you will not resist a demand to do wrong to that God-given sense of justice in your heart. As soon as one faculty of your soul has been dominated, other faculties will follow as well. And from this derives all those crimes of religion which have overrun the world.</p>
<p><em>[Il y a eu des gens qui ont dit autrefois: Vous croyez des choses incompréhensibles, contradictoires, impossibles, parce que nous vous l’avons ordonné; faites donc des choses injustes parce que nous vous l’ordonnons. Ces gens-là raisonnaient à merveille. Certainement qui est en droit de vous rendre absurde est en droit de vous rendre injuste. Si vous n’opposez point aux ordres de croire l’impossible l’intelligence que Dieu a mise dans votre esprit, vous ne devez point opposer aux ordres de malfaire la justice que Dieu a mise dans votre coeur. Une faculté de votre âme étant une fois tyrannisée, toutes les autres facultés doivent l’être également. Et c’est là ce qui a produit tous les crimes religieux dont la terre a été inondée.]</em></p>
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<br><b>Voltaire</b> (1694–1778) French writer [pseud. of Francois-Marie Arouet]<br><i>Questions sur les miracles</i> (1765) 
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Commonly translated: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
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		<title>Ingersoll, Robert Green -- Lecture (1877-01-31) &#8220;The Liberty of Man, Woman, and Child,&#8221; Case Hall, Boston</title>
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<br><b>Robert Green Ingersoll</b> (1833–1899) American lawyer, freethinker, orator<br>Lecture (1877-01-31) &#8220;The Liberty of Man, Woman, and Child,&#8221; Case Hall, Boston 
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		<title>Bukowski, Charles -- Erections, Ejaculations, Exhibitions and Tales of Ordinary Madness (1972)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The difference between a Democracy and a Dictatorship is that in a Democracy you vote first and take orders later; in a Dictatorship you don&#8217;t have to waste your time voting.</p>
<br><b>Charles Bukowski</b> (1920–1994) German-American author, poet<br><i>Erections, Ejaculations, Exhibitions and Tales of Ordinary Madness</i> (1972) 
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		<title>Baldwin, James -- &#8220;Fifth Avenue, Uptown,&#8221; Esquire (1960-07)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Children have never been very good at listening to their elders, but they have never failed to imitate them. Reprinted in Nobody Knows My Name (1961). This is sometimes mis-cited to &#8220;The Precarious Vogue of Ingmar Bergman,&#8221; Esquire (1960-04), which is also reprinted there.]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Children have never been very good at listening to their elders, but they have never failed to imitate them.</p>
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<br><b>James Baldwin</b> (1924–1987) American novelist, playwright, activist<br>&#8220;Fifth Avenue, Uptown,&#8221; <i>Esquire</i> (1960-07) 
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<a href="https://archive.org/details/nobodyknowsmynam0000unse/page/62/mode/2up?q=%22failed+to+imitate+them%22">Reprinted</a> in <i>Nobody Knows My Name</i> (1961). This is sometimes mis-cited to "The Precarious Vogue of Ingmar Bergman," <i>Esquire</i> (1960-04), which is also reprinted there. 						</span>
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		<title>Pearce, Donn -- Cool Hand Luke (1967) [with Frank Pierson]</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[BOSS KEAN: Sorry, Luke, I&#8217;m just doing my job. You gotta appreciate that. LUKE: Calling it your job don&#8217;t make it right, Boss. In the actual final script, the exchange goes: BOSS KEAN: Ah&#8217;m jus&#8217; doin&#8217; mah job, Luke. You gotta appreciate that. LUKE: Boss, when you do somethin&#8217; to me you better do it [&#8230;]]]></description>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BOSS KEAN:  Sorry, Luke, I&#8217;m just doing my job.  You gotta appreciate that.<br />
LUKE:  Calling it your job don&#8217;t make it right, Boss.</p>
<br><b>Donn Pearce</b> (1928–2017) American novelist, screenwriter<br><i>Cool Hand Luke</i> (1967) [with Frank Pierson] 
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In the actual <a href="https://www.scriptslug.com/assets/scripts/cool-hand-luke-1967.pdf">final script</a>, the exchange goes:<br><br>

<blockquote>BOSS KEAN: Ah'm jus' doin' mah job, Luke. You gotta appreciate that.<br>
LUKE: Boss, when you do somethin' to me you better do it because you got to or want to ... but not because it's your damn job.</blockquote>

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